Would you sell your body for $8,000?

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by smithy100

It went wrong about 3 years ago if you can remember. 3 people got very ill from it.

I don't think you know what I am talking about, GOOGLE it....

[HeySal]

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

Hi guys,

it kind of seemed like this thread died off since it was removed from the main forum. I just need to stress that you should REALLY check out (google it) Codex Alimentarius. It is a SERIOUS issue. Please do it, thank you.

You weren't here in 2005 when the OTers did mass mailings and put up websites about this issue - Would have been a whole different issue if we'd had twitter back then.

Now - if that scares you check this - CODEX is slated to go into effect in the US in 2010 - just about the time we get the deadly socialized health bill.
We HAVE sold ourselves, but we're paying for it instead of being paid, LOL.

But you aren't going to get anywhere with this - many people still believe in fluoridated water and sunscreen - and if you tell them different they don't even think about what you are saying. They just open their little mouths and automatically yell "conspiracy nut case", just like they were taught to do.
You can give up on that one. If we couldn't stop it in 2005 and we couldn't stop a bailout that 90% of our people said no to, we aren't going to do much about this. But look at the bright side - look how much of the overpopulation it's going to "cure".

[Tigrrr]

no way not for 8k that must be excruciating pain for them to take spinal fluid. Aaaaaa

[Michael Motley]

hmm..8000 to repeated creating an opening in my spinal column. leaving me vulnerable to the nastiest kind of infections...in my spine.

i'll pass.

[derekwong28]

Many people in developing countries have sold one of their kidneys for less than that.

[twisterdp]

Wow! It's a news for me as well. Oh gosh... are we looking at new job will be taking ... that is experiment on there body...

[embrown]

I got to the point that I thought about becoming an egg donor a large sum. But, my pedigree wasn't up to snuff.

I have participated in one of those medical trails before, though. I got $50 a week to take social anxiety meds and come in once a week for 'counseling'. I think I got the placebo

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by HeySal

You weren't here in 2005 when the OTers did mass mailings and put up websites about this issue - Would have been a whole different issue if we'd had twitter back then.

Now - if that scares you check this - CODEX is slated to go into effect in the US in 2010 - just about the time we get the deadly socialized health bill.
We HAVE sold ourselves, but we're paying for it instead of being paid, LOL.

But you aren't going to get anywhere with this - many people still believe in fluoridated water and sunscreen - and if you tell them different they don't even think about what you are saying. They just open their little mouths and automatically yell "conspiracy nut case", just like they were taught to do.
You can give up on that one. If we couldn't stop it in 2005 and we couldn't stop a bailout that 90% of our people said no to, we aren't going to do much about this. But look at the bright side - look how much of the overpopulation it's going to "cure".

what about sunscreen?

[beempa]

Many people in poorer countries do this very thing as well. It's actually a normal way of life -- scary, huh?

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by HeySal

You weren't here in 2005 when the OTers did mass mailings and put up websites about this issue - Would have been a whole different issue if we'd had twitter back then.

Now - if that scares you check this - CODEX is slated to go into effect in the US in 2010 - just about the time we get the deadly socialized health bill.
We HAVE sold ourselves, but we're paying for it instead of being paid, LOL.

But you aren't going to get anywhere with this - many people still believe in fluoridated water and sunscreen - and if you tell them different they don't even think about what you are saying. They just open their little mouths and automatically yell "conspiracy nut case", just like they were taught to do.
You can give up on that one. If we couldn't stop it in 2005 and we couldn't stop a bailout that 90% of our people said no to, we aren't going to do much about this. But look at the bright side - look how much of the overpopulation it's going to "cure".

Yep, I know but at least you get it, lol. So, are you stocking up

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by embrown

I got to the point that I thought about becoming an egg donor a large sum. But, my pedigree wasn't up to snuff.

I have participated in one of those medical trails before, though. I got $50 a week to take social anxiety meds and come in once a week for 'counseling'. I think I got the placebo

Thanks for the laugh !

[TimPhelan]

Don't ask.

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

what about sunscreen?

[embrown]

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

Thanks for the laugh !

lol, sure!

[ThomM]

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

what about sunscreen?

I don't remember all the details, but for one it blocks the UVB rays that 7-dehydrocholesterol reacts with to produce vitamin D3.
Depending on your local you may only need 15 minutes of exposure twice a week to produce enough D3 any more and it degrades as fast as it is made (over what you need). The closer you are to the equator the less (15 min. twice a week) exposure you need the farther away you are then you need longer exposure periods. If you wear sunblock or sunscreen every time you go out in the sun your skin can't produce the vitamin.

[HeySal]

LOL, Tim. I'm sparing you and me both -see link below

You need more than a couple of times a week, Thom - and 15 -20 minutes is a minimum for a two day supply or so, but many people slap on that sunscreen to GO outside at all.

I'm putting a link to the article I wrote instead of writing it all here again.
Note though - Avobenzone is SO carcinogenic that it has been banned in both EU and the US...........except - there is about a year supply of sunscreens with it in them on the market so the FDA postponed activation of the ban for a year so the Manufactureres can sell out of it...which means people will be dying from it for another YEAR. Money over safety.....the American way.
Sals Secrets Revealed

[ThomM]

Sal notice I said closer to the equator is where you only need that much time as the UVB rays are stronger there. I agree where you and I are you need much longer exposures.
But you know me, when spring hits I'm out in the sun almost from sun up to sun down and have only used sunscreen once. Then I got it confused with the bug spray which I wanted to use that day.
For the record I almost never use bug spray either.
Instead I keep them away the old fashion way. I don't use soaps with fragrances for myself or laundry. I don't use anything on my body that has a fragrance and when the bugs get real bad I either smoke more or burn incense around me.

[Cerberus]

No way would I volunteer for any drug testing. Pharm companies are evil to the core and I would never put their crap into my body. $8000 is about 10,000,000% less then my body is worth to me.

Fools.

[HeySal]

No, I didn't notice that one, Thom - and another thing that is important for people of color is that as humans migrated northward their skin lightened - the darker your skin, the less sensitive it is to Vitamin D absorption so Blacks and Hispanics, etc, that live in the North need much more sunlight than us whites do. We're built for less light.

Your notes on fragrance are interesting - I use tea tree oil, bugs HATE it. Won't touch Munch or I when we have it on.....the ticks out here are crazy this year. Munch went outside to go potty one day and came in after 5 minutes out with a whole swarm on him. Got my tea tree oil out and they aren't to be found.

[ThomM]

I don't think I knew about the Tea Tree Oil (smoking my bedtime bowl so brain is shutting down)
Either way that's good to know. Earlier in the spring the ticks where bad, but I haven't seen any in a while. Now poison Ivy, that's a whole different story.
Thank god the touch-me-nots are also very abundant this year.

[MR2nice]

Not a chance.

[HeySal]

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

Yep, I know but at least you get it, lol. So, are you stocking up

People make way too much of "stocking up". How long can you stock for? Anything manufactured worth a tinker's damn is perishable.
I have food remedies for almost everything - and while some popular herbs will be banned, too - there are always others. The only way they can completely cut us down is to fence in every plant in the world and come into our homes and force feed us our required diets. Ain't gonna happen in my lifetime.

If they take garlic it will spoil a lot of recipes - but it's not the only plant in the family. If they take C - there are a LOT of food sources.

While much of our soil is depleted because of endless growing - planting alternative plants helps quite a bit - can you plant a flower garden?? You have nutrients.

The more creative you can be - the longer and stronger you will survive.

[Emily Meeks]

Originally Posted by talfighel

I would never do this. This is insane. What if you have complications??

Some people would do this and this amazes me a lot. But again,when it comes to MONEY, some people will do anything.

Tal

That's basically why my man doesn't want me doing trials. His argument was that we both want kids someday and it'd be a tragedy if some 2-week trial to score $10,000 rendered me sterile.

I couldn't argue with that so I decided it wasn't worth it. Maybe I'll talk to him after we've already had our kids

[NexZone]

what does exactly the doctors get after such trials, Medical Science is becoming insane actually, is there any Law exist to stop such incidents ?

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by moneysoapbox

That's basically why my man doesn't want me doing trials. His argument was that we both want kids someday and it'd be a tragedy if some 2-week trial to score $10,000 rendered me sterile.

I couldn't argue with that so I decided it wasn't worth it. Maybe I'll talk to him after we've already had our kids

That would be one sick mama .

[BradSenkovich]

hmm mad scientists? Evil Corporations? sounds like a bond movie in the making...

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by HeySal

People make way too much of "stocking up". How long can you stock for? Anything manufactured worth a tinker's damn is perishable.
I have food remedies for almost everything - and while some popular herbs will be banned, too - there are always others. The only way they can completely cut us down is to fence in every plant in the world and come into our homes and force feed us our required diets. Ain't gonna happen in my lifetime.

If they take garlic it will spoil a lot of recipes - but it's not the only plant in the family. If they take C - there are a LOT of food sources.

While much of our soil is depleted because of endless growing - planting alternative plants helps quite a bit - can you plant a flower garden?? You have nutrients.

The more creative you can be - the longer and stronger you will survive.

now there's a plant conspiracy? wow.

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by moneysoapbox

Most trials are pretty safe.

CRO | Contract Research Organization | PPD Home Page <-- conducts trials in my city.

I don't have a problem with the trials, but I don't participate for my boyfriend's sake. If you do your research on who's conducting them and you don't do them too often, chances are you'll be fine.

With a SPINAL TAP!?!?!?!? NO THANKS!

[seasoned]

hey Sal,

You want to know how much *I* trust the idiots in the medical industry? There is a product that I now NEED to keep from getting a stroke! They WANTED to test me, and portion the stuff out. They ALSO wanted me to pay a LOT! I managed to test MYSELF, and trick them into giving me MORE, and I am buying GENERIC! The result? Instead of the 20 day supply they WANTED to give me, I have over a YEARs supply, and it grows by about 20 days every few weeks! AND it costs about the same for a year as a MONTH used to cost me!

If they decide to take it off the market, I will have a couple years to fight, etc...

I have done the same with a number of foods, cash, etc...

Did you know that they found a CURE for a lot of kidney damage!?!?!? It is a special type of Vitamin B! Do you know what the FDA did? They proposed a BAN on it!!!!!! A BAN on a pill that can keep you from having to be loaded up with EXPENSIVE drugs, and put on dialysis for the rest of your life!!!!! That ONE pill could save health care a FORTUNE! Do you think Obama would overturn the ban? NO WAY!

Steve

[Michael Motley]

it wont save healthcare a fortune, it will cost them a fortune in revenue...thats why its banned.

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

it wont save healthcare a fortune, it will cost them a fortune in revenue...thats why its banned.

There is desperation EVERYWHERE! Sad part about it, if you are squezed into a corner, you might go for it and be fine for the next 20 years. THEN, somethings happen and you are toast.

Life is precious (or at least it SHOULD be).

Becoming an animal rat is discusting, but, if that is your ONLY choice, well...

To each of its own...

[TimPhelan]

Since when do Presidents overturn bans on drugs? Is this a new responsibility that I haven't heard of before? Somehow, I think there's A LOT MISSING from this story also.

Originally Posted by seasoned

Do you think Obama would overturn the ban? NO WAY!

Steve

[HeySal]

They had the cure for 95% of heart problems in Germany back in 1970s -
Can't get it approved here and not sure if it's still used there but they experienced 95% success rates, long term.
It was Dr. Hans Nieper of Hanover, W. Germ who pioneered it. He got rave approval from Dr. Garry F. Gordon who was the then pres. of the Amer. Academy of Medical Peventics. Cleveland Clinic and Rotterdam repeated studies and came out with the same results.

The treament was:
Magnesium orotate 1500 - 2500 mg/day
Potassium orotate: 150 - 300 mg/day
Bromelain 120 - 140 mg/day

The Mag ad Pot pass through the outer cell membrane and deliver these meinerals to the mitochondria and microsomes without disturbing the electric potential of the cell membrane and the bromelain inhibits platelet aggregation and dissolves fibrin clots.

In the worst of the case areas there was still a 70% survival after 5 years - in the best a 96% after 5 years.

Micheal - in Canada C-51 will allow police to go into anyone's home or garden (without warrant) that is suspected of growing garlic and arrest them.
In the US there were just some food laws passed and the same week it was passed some gov goons in one of the SE states went in and raided and shut down a community garden that was feeding the homeless and those that were strapped. In our own CODEX AM. garlic is black listed - so is Vitamin C. Many nutrients are being labels toxins. I read CODEX in 2005 - I'm not reading that book of a legislation again so I can prove to you what it says.

Personally, it makes me ill that people are so ill informed about what is going on in their own country's legislative branches. THey can come in here and throw crap in someone's face because they don't believe something - and they can whine to "prove it". I am wondering - Hey, it's your country, too - why don't you know this stuff at all?

Even when you DO read it there is still room for interpretation - which is why we have a Chief Justice and Judiciary board.
It's also why even though Tim and I are often at opposition about matters - we still like and respect each other........because we know the other at least checks out what's up once in awhile and all banter is disagreement - not ignorance.

Guess if I have time for this I have time to go find that info about the FDA head, Tim - back in a flash if I can find it.

[HeySal]

Tim - I should have known Obama would change heads of the FDA when he got in.
I just tried to find the articles but I'm running low on time - Under Bush there were 3 FDA heads - Don't know what happened to the first but he was replaced by Crawford who quit abruptly and was replaced by Von Eschenbach who also had problems of some sort - Congress fought over putting him in pretty hard. I think it was him that I was thinking of - real shady character. Congress didn't want him in there, but if you remember, Bush had a way of closing doors and getting things done. It was during the middle of 2005 so I think I'm right that it was him. Anyhow - all of his Men are out of the FDA now.

Incidentally - for those who don't understand the big CODEX controversy and don't have time to read a book of really tenuous crap - here's a link that will clear a few of the issues up for you.
Health Freedom Threats: Codex, FDA, Vaccinations, GMOs :: HealthFreedomUSA.org

[Emily Meeks]

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

That would be one sick mama .

Why? Other than the pregnancy thing, there really isn't that much risk. Other than that though, by the time I'm DONE (and I don't even plan on having my first for awhile) I probably won't even think about it anymore.

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by HeySal

They had the cure for 95% of heart problems in Germany back in 1970s -
Can't get it approved here and not sure if it's still used there but they experienced 95% success rates, long term.
It was Dr. Hans Nieper of Hanover, W. Germ who pioneered it. He got rave approval from Dr. Garry F. Gordon who was the then pres. of the Amer. Academy of Medical Peventics. Cleveland Clinic and Rotterdam repeated studies and came out with the same results.

The treament was:
Magnesium orotate 1500 - 2500 mg/day
Potassium orotate: 150 - 300 mg/day
Bromelain 120 - 140 mg/day

The Mag ad Pot pass through the outer cell membrane and deliver these meinerals to the mitochondria and microsomes without disturbing the electric potential of the cell membrane and the bromelain inhibits platelet aggregation and dissolves fibrin clots.

In the worst of the case areas there was still a 70% survival after 5 years - in the best a 96% after 5 years.

Micheal - in Canada C-51 will allow police to go into anyone's home or garden (without warrant) that is suspected of growing garlic and arrest them.
In the US there were just some food laws passed and the same week it was passed some gov goons in one of the SE states went in and raided and shut down a community garden that was feeding the homeless and those that were strapped. In our own CODEX AM. garlic is black listed - so is Vitamin C. Many nutrients are being labels toxins. I read CODEX in 2005 - I'm not reading that book of a legislation again so I can prove to you what it says.

Personally, it makes me ill that people are so ill informed about what is going on in their own country's legislative branches. THey can come in here and throw crap in someone's face because they don't believe something - and they can whine to "prove it". I am wondering - Hey, it's your country, too - why don't you know this stuff at all?

Even when you DO read it there is still room for interpretation - which is why we have a Chief Justice and Judiciary board.
It's also why even though Tim and I are often at opposition about matters - we still like and respect each other........because we know the other at least checks out what's up once in awhile and all banter is disagreement - not ignorance.

Guess if I have time for this I have time to go find that info about the FDA head, Tim - back in a flash if I can find it.

Wow Sal, you really do know your stuff and THANK YOU for your contributions. MAYBE someone will listen up! Way to go girl!

[Poglia]

I won't do it.

[eSeM]

I wouldnt do anything where they're pulling spinal fluid, I'd maybe pop some pills and get some blood drawn.

[YanKirby]

Totally agree, I have to feel guilty for being caught up with the "link bait" title.

With regards to the human guinea pig issue, I truly am aware of that.

$8,000?? In certain VERY depressed areas of where I come from, they'd be more than happy to do it for free lunch.

Sad but true.

[Michael Motley]

8k and the possibility to get an infection with multiple spinal taps? pass. If you get a spinal cord infection, you're done...and 8k isnt going to cover it.

[whateverpedia]

I wouldn't sell my body.

However I could rent it out.

Reasonable rates.

[Slepua]

Huh? $8k just for being researched in hospital for 18 days? That's a lot of money and not that really risky. Here in Lithuania we are fighting crysis now, people are selling their kidneys in illegal ways for just ~100 000LT(its about $50k) - that's just sick! They are ruining their future lives for money. I just can not understand it.

[FaJeeb]

I once dated a girl for a couple months that sold her own child for $18,000. Where did all of the money go? Drugs. All of the red tape was cleared by a lawyer, and she and the baby's father has no rights to the child at all.

I have a hilarious story that very few people ever believe.

When I was younger, I did a lot for Pfizer .I went to school at Sacred Heart in Groton, CT and one of my class mates was the son of one of the head people at Pfizer. I did a study on hair loss, and received several small injections on my body (not on my head however) and low and behold, I have this awkward patch of really thick black hair that hardly even resembles back hair (seriously looks like pubic hair) - however, if you look in my picture in my avatar... my hair is brown and somewhat blond in the summer. I have no other hair on my back except for this certain section of hair on my right side near my shoulder blade. It grows very quickly, way quicker than every other type of hair on my body. It's hilarious whenever I go to the pool and forget to shave it.

I could show a picture but people would probably assume I shaved it that way or something.

[ezjob]

Round up all the illegals and save California a lot of money (mucho dinero). Ha!

[CDarklock]

Man, I thought you were talking about something else. I was sitting over here going "hell, I never got that much, and I'm GOOD."

[gareth]

Ok here we go - 10 years back as a broke student I got $700 and free food for 2 months & free accomadation for going on an experimental diet for a nutrition study.

The food was actually normal but it was a different menu for each day of the week so after 2 months I was glad it was over.

Heres the thing. pee & poop were collected through the whole 2 months. Plus copious amounts of blood on some days.

Theres no such thing as a free lunch.

[bravo75]

I'd sell my body for a BigMac and a Coke - to Halle Berry

[Mili_D]

There is no right no wrong!
Who are we to judge?
Think back to how many crazy things we have done that others many think it was outrageous?
But your body is you temple don’t abuse it.

[Dave Patterson]

I wouldn't sell mine for $8,000...BUT, I would consider payment on a subscription basis...