Selling nutrition? Will Codex Alimentarius shut you down 2010?

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by admin

I absolutely 100% agree with the wine and the cigars. I believe they should be sold as life extension products.

And coffee, vodka, and Guinness... they've all kept me alive through thick and thin.

[Vikuna2009+]

YouTube - High Fructose Corn Syrup - Two Bites -...

Couldn't resist, lol.

[Johnathan]

There are some interesting things you should note:

1. Go into pretty much any superstore (at least in Canada), and read the ingredients. On most 'processed' food (i.e., canned food, 'mixed' food, etc, etc) -- you will find 'sugar' listed as one of the ingredients. (other names: fructose, glucose, cane sugar, etc, etc). Even the "organic" soya milk has "sugar" in it, and there have been some 'really' strange commercials on t.v., where it shows a basketball player playing basketball -- and the commercial says "Do you need ENERGY? Then you should drink CHOCOLATE MILK!". How off is that?

2. Another interesting thing that has been said in various media sources is that apparently Fluoride is very detrimental to health, which happens to be in 99% of the popular toothpaste brands. Apparently (going back about 75 years), fluoride was a chemical processing by-product, and there were huge stores of excess floride that was toxic left in a concentrated form, so "they" decided to redistribute it through water supplies (floridated water) in a diluted form, because it would not have any noticeable/immediate effect, and would be easy to disperse.

3. Michael O. -- rather than laughing at "Vikuna2009+" just because he says something you either don't agree with or simply don't understand, you should actually do a bit of research rather than believing what the t.v. tells you and trying to put him down. If you want a "t.v." example that you might be able to relate to, you should watch the movie "Supersize me" -- a guy that basically goes on a McDonald's diet for a month. You will be able to watch the entire movie rather than just 2.40 minutes because it is entertaining, while perhaps learning something. And this is just one guy that ate this kind of junk food for one month. Have you ever really looked into what effect your diet has on your health, your success, and your well being in general, or do you just snicker and laugh when someone says something you don't agree with?

Anyways, interesting post Vikuna2009+, thanks.

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by Johnathan

There are some interesting things you should note:

1. Go into pretty much any superstore (at least in Canada), and read the ingredients. On most 'processed' food (i.e., canned food, 'mixed' food, etc, etc) -- you will find 'sugar' listed as one of the ingredients. (other names: fructose, glucose, cane sugar, etc, etc). Even the "organic" soya milk has "sugar" in it, and there have been some 'really' strange commercials on t.v., where it shows a basketball player playing basketball -- and the commercial says "Do you need ENERGY? Then you should drink CHOCOLATE MILK!". How off is that?

2. Another interesting thing that has been said in various media sources is that apparently Fluoride is very detrimental to health, which happens to be in 99% of the popular toothpaste brands. Apparently (going back about 75 years), fluoride was a chemical processing by-product, and there were huge stores of excess floride that was toxic left in a concentrated form, so "they" decided to redistribute it through water supplies (floridated water) in a diluted form, because it would not have any noticeable/immediate effect, and would be easy to disperse.

3. Michael O. -- rather than laughing at "Vikuna2009+" just because he says something you either don't agree with or simply don't understand, you should actually do a bit of research rather than believing what the t.v. tells you and trying to put him down. If you want a "t.v." example that you might be able to relate to, you should watch the movie "Supersize me" -- a guy that basically goes on a McDonald's diet for a month. You will be able to watch the entire movie rather than just 2.40 minutes because it is entertaining, while perhaps learning something. And this is just one guy that ate this kind of junk food for one month. Have you ever really looked into what effect your diet has on your health, your success, and your well being in general, or do you just snicker and laugh when someone says something you don't agree with?

Anyways, interesting post Vikuna2009+, thanks.

Thank you Johnathan. I'm not a health freak but I DO read labels and its really scary what they call "FOOD" these days, its all about making a profit.

As far as Codex A goes, its real and it is coming.

[Michael Oksa]

You know what? The original post may have been in the guise of how it will impact online sales.

BUT instead, it has become a way for people to climb up on there high freaking horse and tell us what to eat.

What does that have to do with making money online? Nothing.

You can choose to believe whatever you like, but stop cramming your BS down my throat.

[Michael Oksa]

Originally Posted by Johnathan

3. Michael O. -- rather than laughing at "Vikuna2009+" just because he says something you either don't agree with or simply don't understand, you should actually do a bit of research rather than believing what the t.v. tells you and trying to put him down. If you want a "t.v." example that you might be able to relate to, you should watch the movie "Supersize me" -- a guy that basically goes on a McDonald's diet for a month. You will be able to watch the entire movie rather than just 2.40 minutes because it is entertaining, while perhaps learning something. And this is just one guy that ate this kind of junk food for one month. Have you ever really looked into what effect your diet has on your health, your success, and your well being in general, or do you just snicker and laugh when someone says something you don't agree with?

Anyways, interesting post Vikuna2009+, thanks.

I have seen Supersize Me. It's an awesome movie, very enjoyable and informative. In fact, I enjoy almost everything Morgan Spurlock has done.

So, you can stop jumping to conclusions.

And I wasn't snickering or laughing. I truly believe people will believe anything, and that the video in the OP is a bunch of nonsense.

For the record, I have seen Supersize Me several times, and I still enjoy getting double cheeseburgers and fries from McDonald's.

All the best,
Michael

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by admin

I absolutely 100% agree with the wine and the cigars. I believe they should be sold as life extension products.

Wine is more or less sold as a life extension product. In Europe, anyway. There's overwhelming evidence that people who drink wine live longer. Cigars maybe not, but they should be sold that way anyway.

[Adrian Cooper]

Originally Posted by alexa_s

Wine is more or less sold as a life extension product. In Europe, anyway. There's overwhelming evidence that people who drink wine live longer. Cigars maybe not, but they should be sold that way anyway.

Yes, in fact a glass of red wine per day is now recommended.

White and Rose is not the same though.

The tastiest life extension foods are the purple fruits - blueberry etc.

Don't get me started on Acai

[Joe118]

I heard they even developed a machine that takes the vitamins out of lettuce and apples. If you spin an apple on its axis fast enough, you can see the vitamins and good stuff fly off the apple at high speed!!! This machine THEY developed will spin each apple at 30000RPM for 7 minutes and then all the vitamins are lost. And what isnt extracted will be made illegal, so you can go to jail for eating an unspun apple right off the tree!



OK seriously, there should be a tin-foil hat section in this forum. I'm sure all those who believe in this kind of stuff will be very happy to talk amongst themselves.

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

I hear ya, so, tell me, where do you buy all that nutritional fruits and veggies, in a supermarket??? If you look further into it, you will find your answers. Personally, I got at least a good 20 hours researching this "stuff". Codex A that is. Not to talk about of countless of other hours doing other research.

My point is: This is REAL and if you ARE into making money selling ANYTHING nutrisious, your business is about to CRASH. That is, if this will actually happen (which I'm pretty sure it is, after all, this conspiracy has been built for MANY years and there are some major heavy-hitters behind it).

A head of lettuce or a shiny apple (shine because it has been sprayed with toxins) is NOT going to keep you healthy. And, there are so many ways that you can no longer get ANY nutrition that is sufficient enough to keep you healthy.

I guess you never ever taken a vitamin supplement or anything else, can I please have your recipe !

[George Wright]

I posted a long time ago on the old Warrior forum that garlic would cure a tooth ache every time. I had several Warriors say they tried it and it worked for them. Now I found that oregano oil works just as well and you don't have to worry about the odor. Well now I smell like pizza. LOL

George Wright

[BIG Mike]

Wow - amazing thread

Here in Greece, in the smallish city (large town really) I've lived in for the past 8 years, I've never been healthier. Getting away from the supplements, the processed foods and all of that tripe in the US has worked wonders.

Practically everything we eat is fresh, natural, we get plenty of daily exercise and the facts are my cholesterol is textbook normal, my blood pressure is perfect for a 20 year-old (I'm 47) and my family is as healthy as can be.

We live the Mediterranean lifestyle - and considering the numbers of 80 and 90 year-olds still around here riding their bikes, working their gardens and still fit as can be, you'll never convince me that supplements are important.

A healthy lifestyle doesn't come from pills....

[ThomM]

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

Wow - amazing thread

Here in Greece, in the smallish city (large town really) I've lived in for the past 8 years, I've never been healthier. Getting away from the supplements, the processed foods and all of that tripe in the US has worked wonders.

Practically everything we eat is fresh, natural, we get plenty of daily exercise and the facts are my cholesterol is textbook normal, my blood pressure is perfect for a 20 year-old (I'm 47) and my family is as healthy as can be.

We live the Mediterranean lifestyle - and considering the numbers of 80 and 90 year-olds still around here riding their bikes, working their gardens and still fit as can be, you'll never convince me that supplements are important.

A healthy lifestyle doesn't come from pills....

Mike it's well known, well at least I have known that Mediterranean food is about the healthiest food in the world if not the healthiest.
You're a lucky (or smart) man to be where you are.

[madmagician]

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Yes, the high fructose corn syrup was tasty.

You should try it. STOP EATING OVERPRICED ORGANIC FOOD NOW - IT'S A RIPOFF!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I just couldn't help myself either.

For the record, I believe that you believe - it's the video I have a problem with.

I still think this belongs in the OT, but that's just my opinion.

Aside from the fact that high fructose corn syrup is really bad for your health, I don't think, judging by your picture, that you should go eat that cake and ice cream either way.

Most people (more than) die nowadays from a cancer or heart disease. Use your brain. Stay away from processed foods and add a crapton more veggies and fruits into your diet. Bragging about getting off your computer to go eat something that'll make you sick and make you look sick doesn't make you sound cool on a forum or anywhere else.

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

Wow - amazing thread

A healthy lifestyle doesn't come from pills....

You live a very fortunate life Mike (I've been there many, many times myself) but some people do depend on their vitamins and now its going to be so much harder, not to mention expensive.

[Michael Oksa]

Originally Posted by madmagician

Aside from the fact that high fructose corn syrup is really bad for your health, I don't think, judging by your picture, that you should go eat that cake and ice cream either way.

Most people (more than) die nowadays from a cancer or heart disease. Use your brain. Stay away from processed foods and add a crapton more veggies and fruits into your diet. Bragging about getting off your computer to go eat something that'll make you sick and make you look sick doesn't make you sound cool on a forum or anywhere else.

So, you're calling me fat? What gives you the right?

I wasn't trying to sound "cool", I was telling the truth. I like cake and ice cream...so sue me.

See, that's the problem with the crowd that believes the nonsense sputtered in the videos that were shared. They take it as their God-given right to tell other people how to eat. Unfortunately, they always seem to want to exercise their so-called right as often as humanly possible.

Anyway...it's a heckuva lot easier for someone to lose weight than it is for someone to stop being a rude jerk.



By the way, you should have seen what I looked like BEFORE I Photoshopped my avatar.

[ThomM]

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

So, you're calling me fat? What gives you the right?

I wasn't trying to sound "cool", I was telling the truth. I like cake and ice cream...so sue me.

See, that's the problem with the crowd that believes the nonsense sputtered in the videos that were shared. They take it as their God-given right to tell other people how to eat. Unfortunately, they always seem to want to exercise their so-called right as often as humanly possible.

Anyway...it's a heckuva lot easier for someone to lose weight than it is for someone to stop being a rude jerk.



By the way, you should have seen what I looked like BEFORE I Photoshopped my avatar.

Think this is bad
Mention that you are a meat eater to a vegan.

Note
That comment is not directed in any way towards the Warrior who I was having that debate with.
He is one of the few vegans that I respect for his beliefs and the way he presented them.

[Nonny]

Originally Posted by madmagician

Most people (more than) die nowadays from a cancer or heart disease. Use your brain.

That's in large part because people nowadays are much less likely to die from other causes - we all eventually die of something. Our life expectancy just keeps going up, so we must be doing something right.

200 years that changed the world - Gapminder.org

And I think it's both ridiculous and rude to give a stranger health advice over the internet based on a picture of his face. You aren't any one here's doctor, nutritionist or mother. What I eat isn't anyone else's concern, just like what you eat isn't anyone else's concern. It's only the business of my green grocer and local supermarket.

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

I like cake and ice cream...so sue me.

I don't know anyone who doesn't like cake and ice cream. And chocolate and pie (and chocolate pie)!

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

I wasn't trying to sound "cool", I was telling the truth. I like cake and ice cream...so sue me.

Anyway...it's a heckuva lot easier for someone to lose weight than it is for someone to stop being a rude jerk.



By the way, you should have seen what I looked like BEFORE I Photoshopped my avatar.

Hi Michael,

here's a special treat for you (and BTW, I LOVE ice cream and cake too, just trying not to over-splurge, l0l.) Take care.

YouTube - [MMV]; Ice Cream & Cake ♥

[eddie6149]

thank you for sharing this info, supplements saved my life, now i won't be able to afford them as drugs because they will be ten times the price

we are slowly losing our constitutional rights, sad days indeed!!!

[Randy Bheites]

Oy. Big Pharma makes billions selling vitamins. Thery're not going to let the goobermint mess with that income stream.

I'm not really worried that my health supplement niche sites are suddenly going to go belly up.

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by eddie6149

thank you for sharing this info, supplements saved my life, now i won't be able to afford them as drugs because they will be ten times the price

we are slowly losing our constitutional rights, sad days indeed!!!

No kidding. Do you mind sharing what kind of supplements?

Best regards, Eva

[TelegramSam]

Originally Posted by tj

How about enjoying natural fruit and vitamin's instead of industrial massproduced artificial stuff?

"Millions of people are estimated to die because they are not going to be able to afford it. ..."

From where do you get this number?

Timo

Eating as naturally as possible is the best way. But don't forget that soil quality and the use of a century of man made pesticides and fertilizers is stripping nutrients out of our food.

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

People will believe anything.

Oh, and this should be in the Off-Topic section.

Wake up.

Originally Posted by MichaelHiles

rofl... NAIS was going to take my chickens and cows too...

You wake up too.

Originally Posted by The Pension Guy

While I admit there are many crazy regulations in Canada, so nothing would surprise me... how comes that as a Canadian I've never heard about this attempt to ban it and I just bought some very fine garlic on Thursday when I did my weekly shopping?

Just because you haven't heard about it doesn't mean it isn't happening. It is.

Originally Posted by Kevin Riley

Although I can't see how any government could make garlic illegal, except for the government of Transylvania, I wouldn't put much past the morons in the Canadian government who put unreasonable regulations on nutritional supplements.

I need L-lysine myself to treat my occasional outbreaks of herpes simplex (no, not the other herpes) or canker sores. L-lysine works 100% for me every time. Yet, the Canadian govt decided in the 1980s that all amino acid supplements should be banned, as they "hadn't been proven effective as a neutraceutical". For years, I had to find ways to get L-lysine from the US, or suffer mouth sores.

So, those of you who scoff at this OP or snicker about conspiracy theories, you are putting too much trust in government. No, they do not have YOUR best interest at heart.

As for this being an Off Topic topic, I don't see that. I'm sure there's more than just a few Warriors making money by promoting these products.

All of the bans are being brought about and pushed through by the top drug companies of the planet and their leaders. They want you to have to pay them money for their "solutions".

Glad you are aware of this problem and not as blinkered as some "idyuts" on this thread.

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Yes, the high fructose corn syrup was tasty.

You should try it. STOP EATING OVERPRICED ORGANIC FOOD NOW - IT'S A RIPOFF!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I just couldn't help myself either.

For the record, I believe that you believe - it's the video I have a problem with.

I still think this belongs in the OT, but that's just my opinion.

The biggest rip-off is the price of medical care unhealthy people have to pay for one day!

Originally Posted by Katie Byrd

Thank you Nonny!

My family has been in the health supplement business for almost 30 years and we've seen "scares" like this come along every few years. I'll even admit to being caught up in the hype a few times (many years ago).

The Dr. in this video mentions DSHEA that was passed in 1994. That was another one that brought the quacks out of the woodwork. In the end, the regulations were very positive and gave the nutrition industry a much needed clean sweep to clear out all the garbage that was on the market. But the naysayers had everyone thinking it was the end of life as we know it.

Another fact that the OP seems to be missing is that the nutritional supplement market was worth $6.1 billion in 2007*. Are we to believe that a 6 billion dollar industry is going to go away overnight? I don't think so.


*statistic comes from this article - New report breaks down US supplement market

Yes, this has been threatened many times and it hasn't yet fully gone through. It seems their tactics are working on you as you are now blinded to what could now be about to take place. They have worn you down with all of their "cry-wolf" tactics earlier.

Well, this time the wolf really is at the door!

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

I like junk food, and I will continue to enjoy it. The only difference is I don't go around preaching telling everyone that what they should eat.

You eat what you want to eat, but let me eat what I want to eat.

Well, in that case why are you so willing to attack the OP and the seriousness of this issue. If you want to pig out on crap food, remain overweight and eat pounds of sugar each week then fine. A lot of people don't want to live like that. So for you to sit on your high horse and pompously say conspiracy crap or whatever else you deem garbage about this legislative attempt is very irresponsible.

I don't think there will ever come a day when you can't go out and buy some greasy fat laden burger, but there may come a day when you can't buy a health supplement when you want one.

Don't you think that is wrong. Even if you don't then it's surely not a good thing for future generations is it?

Originally Posted by HeySal

Nonny - the Codex Ameritus is hundreds of pages and you picked out a few paragraphs? You better do some researching on the other 400 plus pages.

Well said. It seems you are more awake about this issue than most.


Wake up everybody and protect your rights. Don't let government and multi-national vested interests destroy your health freedoms.

Sam

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by TelegramSam

Eating as naturally as possible is the best way. But don't forget that soil quality and the use of a century of man made pesticides and fertilizers is stripping nutrients out of our food.






Wake up.






You wake up too.





Just because you haven't heard about it doesn't mean it isn't happening. It is.





All of the bans are being brought about and pushed through by the top drug companies of the planet and their leaders. They want you to have to pay them money for their "solutions".

Glad you are aware of this problem and not as blinkered as some "idyuts" on this thread.






The biggest rip-off is the price of medical care unhealthy people have to pay for one day!





Yes, this has been threatened many times and it hasn't yet fully gone through. It seems their tactics are working on you as you are now blinded to what could now be about to take place. They have worn you down with all of their "cry-wolf" tactics earlier.

Well, this time the wolf really is at the door!





Well, in that case why are you so willing to attack the OP and the seriousness of this issue. If you want to pig out on crap food, remain overweight and eat pounds of sugar each week then fine. A lot of people don't want to live like that. So for you to sit on your high horse and pompously say conspiracy crap or whatever else you deem garbage about this legislative attempt is very irresponsible.

I don't think there will ever come a day when you can't go out and buy some greasy fat laden burger, but there may come a day when you can't buy a health supplement when you want one.

Don't you think that is wrong. Even if you don't then it's surely not a good thing for future generations is it?






Well said. It seems you are more awake about this issue than most.


Wake up everybody and protect your rights. Don't let government and multi-national vested interests destroy your health freedoms.

Sam

I second ALL of that, lol.

[acreativetouch]

Here are some natural substances that already been chopped due to false scientific data or political maneuvering:

MaHuang--used to treat respiratory illnesses including tuberculosis, asthma, lung cancer--dosage--3 – 9 gm. Marketed in US as a "weight loss" supplement, found to cause heart attack when used in excess. Asian physicians have used this herb safely for over 6,000 years IN VERY SMALL QUANTITIES because of toxicity. An amount to cause weight loss IS A TOXIC overdose! DUH! Ma Huang - Chinese Ephedra- Chinese Herbal Medicine, Chinese herb pictures & information (TCM), weblog, discussion board, bulletin board, forums

Hydrogn Peroxide Chinics: Used for about 200 years IV or internally to cure many diseases---including cancer. One death was reported in that time in 2005, there was reported one death. So, the clinics are banned. The Story Behind The Peroxide Therapy Death In South Carolina - Share The Wealth

colloidal silver ban: kills over 600 different viruses and bacteria--including man-made. The FDA and WHO are working on a ban. Educate-Yourself.org-FDA Poised to Ban Colloidal Silver

Cannabis: During the American Revolution, was so valued as a crop for everything from cloth to paper to fuel for lamps to rope to MEDICINE. Was in the US National Pharmocepia until 1929. Cannabis has been used for centuries over all continents by thousands of various nationalities and tribes to treat a variety of illnesses from depression to cancer to chronic pain. Banned as it causes "insanity in mexicans and the dark races" in the 1930's.

Tryptophan: Natural ingredient in turkey. Widely used to aid in sleep, and ease symptoms of depression, anxiety, bi-polar disorder. ( competes with Prozac ) Banned as it causes a deadly flu-like disorder " Eosinophilia-Myalgia Syndrome / EMS ". The FDA Ban of L-Tryptophan: Politics, Profits and Prozac

That is just a FEW of POWERFUL natural medicines that have been X-Nayed from public use because of competition with drugs. Thousands died from Vioxx, and the statistics were ignored. Equal ( aspertaime ) remains on the market and in wide use even though it is shown to cause brain cancer, seizures, stroke and death. Dr. Rick Online: Excitotoxins: The Taste that Kills
Now, when you see a commercial for Lyrica, they put a disclaimer that it causes suicidial tendancies in "some individuals".

This IS Codex slowly being implemented so that the public won't notice the change when it's in full force. They will just accept it and continue with their lives....slowly dying from disease due to being slowly poisioned and malnutrititon while they go to the doctors for "drugs" to cure them.

So, what are going to do? Just lay down and die or take charge of our health and take responsibility of what we feed our children and ourselves?

dorothy
( it's late, sorry for the spelling )

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by acreativetouch

Here are some natural substances that already been chopped due to false scientific data or political maneuvering:

MaHuang--used to treat respiratory illnesses including tuberculosis, asthma, lung cancer--dosage--3 – 9 gm. Marketed in US as a "weight loss" supplement, found to cause heart attack when used in excess. Asian physicians have used this herb safely for over 6,000 years IN VERY SMALL QUANTITIES because of toxicity. An amount to cause weight loss IS A TOXIC overdose! DUH! Ma Huang - Chinese Ephedra- Chinese Herbal Medicine, Chinese herb pictures & information (TCM), weblog, discussion board, bulletin board, forums

Hydrogn Peroxide Chinics: Used for about 200 years IV or internally to cure many diseases---including cancer. One death was reported in that time in 2005, there was reported one death. So, the clinics are banned. The Story Behind The Peroxide Therapy Death In South Carolina - Share The Wealth

colloidal silver ban: kills over 600 different viruses and bacteria--including man-made. The FDA and WHO are working on a ban. Educate-Yourself.org-FDA Poised to Ban Colloidal Silver

Cannabis: During the American Revolution, was so valued as a crop for everything from cloth to paper to fuel for lamps to rope to MEDICINE. Was in the US National Pharmocepia until 1929. Cannabis has been used for centuries over all continents by thousands of various nationalities and tribes to treat a variety of illnesses from depression to cancer to chronic pain. Banned as it causes "insanity in mexicans and the dark races" in the 1930's.

Tryptophan: Natural ingredient in turkey. Widely used to aid in sleep, and ease symptoms of depression, anxiety, bi-polar disorder. ( competes with Prozac ) Banned as it causes a deadly flu-like disorder " Eosinophilia-Myalgia Syndrome / EMS ". The FDA Ban of L-Tryptophan: Politics, Profits and Prozac

That is just a FEW of POWERFUL natural medicines that have been X-Nayed from public use because of competition with drugs. Thousands died from Vioxx, and the statistics were ignored. Equal ( aspertaime ) remains on the market and in wide use even though it is shown to cause brain cancer, seizures, stroke and death. Dr. Rick Online: Excitotoxins: The Taste that Kills
Now, when you see a commercial for Lyrica, they put a disclaimer that it causes suicidial tendancies in "some individuals".

This IS Codex slowly being implemented so that the public won't notice the change when it's in full force. They will just accept it and continue with their lives....slowly dying from disease due to being slowly poisioned and malnutrititon while they go to the doctors for "drugs" to cure them.

So, what are going to do? Just lay down and die or take charge of our health and take responsibility of what we feed our children and ourselves?

dorothy
( it's late, sorry for the spelling )

Thank you for that, Eva

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by Randy Bheites

Big Pharma makes billions selling vitamins.

Absolutely right.

Some people (often people selling very overpriced MLM supplements) seem to imagine that their companies have totally different interests from Big Pharma and even that Big Pharma wants to push through legal changes to make supplement-selling harder, product-licensing stricter and so on.

The reality is that their interests are exactly the same as Big Pharma's on these and many related points. It's just that they have 1% of the market and Big Pharma has 99%, or something like this.

Vitamin sales profits are a big part of what's subsidising the wordlwide research and development of pharmaceuticals which can treat terrible but incredibly rare diseases and for which there'll never possibly be a viable commercial market in their own right.

[valerieSONORA]

That's it, now I believe Oksa works for the FDA/Gov. He's saying laws that have already been passed are make believe, people who know about laws being debated and passed in DC are conspiracy theorists and he promotes the virtues of high fructose corn syrup. There's no other explanation.

Why can't the government just let people eat what they want to and not regulate everything. I'm so sad Let the junk food people eat junk food, let the healthy people take their vitamins and eat their health food!!! And Canada really did try to ban garlic (except by prescription)fortunately for them it didn't pass. Can you imagine going to your doctor for garlic so you can make spaghetti sauce????

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

Can you imagine going to your doctor for garlic so you can make spaghetti sauce????

Ha, ha, now THAT is funny , but not really ! The sad truth is, Codex Alimentarius will ruin MANY lives.

[TelegramSam]

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

Let the junk food people eat junk food, let the healthy people take their vitamins and eat their health food!!!

Well said.

I agree 100% so long as the healthy people don't have to pay the medical bills of the junk food eaters!

[Tyrus Antas]

I've heard Big Pharma is conspiring to ban dihydrogen monoxide. Somebody do something!

Tyrus

[MikeAmbrosio]

Originally Posted by TelegramSam

Well said.

I agree 100% so long as the healthy people don't have to pay the medical bills of the junk food eaters!

Well, we're heading for socialized medicine, aren't we? We'll all be paying for everyone's health care before long.

That bothers me WAY more than this Codex debate...

[MikeAmbrosio]

Originally Posted by TelegramSam

Yes, this has been threatened many times and it hasn't yet fully gone through. It seems their tactics are working on you as you are now blinded to what could now be about to take place. They have worn you down with all of their "cry-wolf" tactics earlier.

Well, this time the wolf really is at the door!

This is always my favorite...

Those who believe anything the government says are blinded and have had the wool pulled over our eyes, while at the same time, EVERYTHING you read from those on the other side of the fence is 100% correct.
So, essentially, anything found on a government website is bunk, yet what you learn here is gospel?

YouTube - Codex Alimentarius P1

Ok. If you say so.

Personally, I believe in a VERY healthy dose of skepticism - on BOTH sides of any subject like this. While I wouldn't trust our g'ment as far as I could throw them, I don't believe either, that everything they say is misleading.

Use some common sense...

Originally Posted by TelegramSam

Don't you think that is wrong. Even if you don't then it's surely not a good thing for future generations is it?

Too much of anything is no good for you - including breathing the air in some parts of the world. But I think the biggest killer of all is stress. You can eat all the healthiest foods in the world and NEVER consume HFCS, but that don't mean your life span will be longer or your quality of life will be any better.

It's a cliche - 42 year old healthy person drops dead of a heart attack, while another who smokes a pack and a half a day lives to be 98.

Worry more about worrying. Stress kills.

Originally Posted by TelegramSam

Wake up everybody and protect your rights. Don't let government and multi-national vested interests destroy your health freedoms.

LOL - it's been going on for years - since there WAS a US government. If it's not health it's something else. Every day we lose more of our freedom and civil liberties, all in the name of power and money.

None of this surprises me. FDA and the pharma and food industries work together for the good of...themselves.

Oh, BTW - what many don't realize is that almost ALL of the pharmaceutical companies have a hand in the vitamin and supplement pie. Most simply buy up small manufacturers and don't put their name on it. They do the same with generic drug makers - so they can make money on their brand AND on the generic versions.

Personally, I think that BOTH sides of this issue worry too much about convincing the other side they are right. Believe what you believe, let others believe what they believe. We'll have less stress in our lives

Otherwise, very interesting topic on BOTH sides.

Mike

[TimPhelan]

Floride is a natural ingredient in water. The notion that the famous "they" decided to redistribute it in drinking water because there was no other way to store the chemical by products is ridiculous and laughable. It ranks right up there with the floride conspriracy theory in the 50s which said the commies were using it to impose a socialist regime. This CT was lampooned in Stanley Kubrick's 1964 film Dr. Strangelove, in which the character General Jack D. Ripper initiates a nuclear war in the hope of thwarting a communist plot to "sap and impurify" the "precious bodily fluids" of the American people with fluoridated water.

Originally Posted by Johnathan

2. Another interesting thing that has been said in various media sources is that apparently Fluoride is very detrimental to health, which happens to be in 99% of the popular toothpaste brands. Apparently (going back about 75 years), fluoride was a chemical processing by-product, and there were huge stores of excess floride that was toxic left in a concentrated form, so "they" decided to redistribute it through water supplies (floridated water) in a diluted form, because it would not have any noticeable/immediate effect, and would be easy to disperse.

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

You live a very fortunate life Mike (I've been there many, many times myself) but some people do depend on their vitamins and now its going to be so much harder, not to mention expensive.

if you 'depend' on vitamins then you need to stop eating your food from a styrofoam box. Plus the supplement market has absolutely no regulation. You dont know if you're getting the right doseage or even the advertised dosage.

[Michael Motley]

flouride is a natural part of water? uh....

[MikeAmbrosio]

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

if you 'depend' on vitamins then you need to stop eating your food from a styrofoam box. Plus the supplement market has absolutely no regulation. You dont know if you're getting the right doseage or even the advertised dosage.

This depends. That is partly true.

I can tell you that any major pharmaceutical company that gets into vitamin production has to file with the FDA, is subject to inspections and is regulated.

I can't speak for the entire industry though, and I DO know the regulation is not quite as stringent...

[Phnx]

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Floride is a natural ingredient in water. The notion that the famous "they" decided to redistribute it in drinking water because there was no other way to store the chemical by products is ridiculous and laughable.

Sure about that Tim? You might want to ponder Christopher Brysons investigation into fluoride. He's an award winning BBC journalist and producer, sceptic, and can in no sense be classed as a "conspiracy theorist". He didn't expect to find anything alarming, but he did, and he spent 10 years researching the subject. Ditto the neuro-scientist who was asked to check the effects on the brains of children. When the science concluded that yes, childrens IQs were being lowered, she was fired.

Stalin didn't have it put in the water supply at the Gulags for no reason.

As marketers, you guys should appreciate how it was done. The 'spin' can be laid at the feet of Edward L Bernays.

Here's an interview with Bryson where he discusses his research.

The Fluoride Deception (Interview With...

[ThomM]

Ah Tim the only natural parts of water are Hydrogen and Oxygen.
Any thing else where either added by nature or man.
It is found naturally in water though especially in water from underground sources.
So I think you ment it is found in water even if it wasn't placed there by man.
Also there are many types of fluoride. Here are the fluorides found in water naturally and the ones man adds.

Solutions of inorganic fluorides in water contain F− and bifluoride HF2−. Few inorganic fluorides are soluble in water without undergoing significant hydrolysis. Examples of inorganic fluorides include hydrofluoric acid (HF), sodium fluoride (NaF), and uranium hexafluoride (UF6).

Originally, sodium fluoride was used to fluoridate water, however, hexafluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) and its salt sodium hexafluorosilicate (Na2SiF6) are more commonly used additives, especially in the United States.

So there is a difference in what occurs naturally and what is added by man.

[valerieSONORA]

Originally Posted by TelegramSam

Eating as naturally as possible is the best way. But don't forget that soil quality and the use of a century of man made pesticides and fertilizers is stripping nutrients out of our food.






Wake up.






You wake up too.





Just because you haven't heard about it doesn't mean it isn't happening. It is.





All of the bans are being brought about and pushed through by the top drug companies of the planet and their leaders. They want you to have to pay them money for their "solutions".

Glad you are aware of this problem and not as blinkered as some "idyuts" on this thread.






The biggest rip-off is the price of medical care unhealthy people have to pay for one day!





Yes, this has been threatened many times and it hasn't yet fully gone through. It seems their tactics are working on you as you are now blinded to what could now be about to take place. They have worn you down with all of their "cry-wolf" tactics earlier.

Well, this time the wolf really is at the door!





Well, in that case why are you so willing to attack the OP and the seriousness of this issue. If you want to pig out on crap food, remain overweight and eat pounds of sugar each week then fine. A lot of people don't want to live like that. So for you to sit on your high horse and pompously say conspiracy crap or whatever else you deem garbage about this legislative attempt is very irresponsible.

I don't think there will ever come a day when you can't go out and buy some greasy fat laden burger, but there may come a day when you can't buy a health supplement when you want one.

Don't you think that is wrong. Even if you don't then it's surely not a good thing for future generations is it?






Well said. It seems you are more awake about this issue than most.


Wake up everybody and protect your rights. Don't let government and multi-national vested interests destroy your health freedoms.

Sam

I agree with all that too.

Don't let the government tell you what you can or can't eat or what vitamins you can or can't take.

Gotta stand up for something or you're just a sheep. Like vegas vince says, most ppl are sheep.

[ThomM]

I think the reality of death is you are going to die when you are going to die.
Here's two examples from my life.
I knew a gentleman who was a vegetarian, never drank more then one or two glasses of red wine a day, never smoked, exercised daily, never drank coffee or sodas. He died at 42 from rectal cancer which he tried to cure using the holistic approach.
My last wife drank on occasion, ate whatever she wanted, didn't exercise, drank coffee, and smoked cigarettes. She died at 42 from rectal cancer, that she tried to cure using conventional medicines.
Now which lifestyle was the right lifestyle?

[Michael Motley]

Yeah when you're going to die, you're going to die. But all things being equal, there are things you can do to keep that from happening sooner than later. But if your body is predisposed to something, you can eat all the berries and nuts and do yoga until you twist yourself into a knot, thats not going to stop nature

[TimPhelan]

Sure. Minerals are found in spring water since they get filtered through the earth. Here's a site that sells spring water and they advertise it as natural flouride water:

Poland Spring - Sources Of Water, Mineral Contents & The Water Cycle - Know H2O | Nestlé

Many times the flouride in ground water is much higher than the level in tap water. Sometimes the water needs to have the flouride level lowered.

In the late 1800's people noticed in some parts of Colorado the population had brown teeth. They called this the Colorado Brown Stain. They started investigating and found also that the local kids had low cases of cavities. What they eventually found out was that the natural flouride levels were high which caused dental fluorosis and prevented the cavities.

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

flouride is a natural part of water? uh....

[TimPhelan]

Yeh, if it's added by nature then isn't it natural? I think that's the correct term. The point is people have been drinking water with flouride in it for...well, thousands of years perhaps.

People can drink water without minerals. It's called distilled water. Anyone like to drink distilled water? I like distilled water when it's in beer and wine. By the way, I think distilled water is probably more un-natural than mineral water.

Originally Posted by ThomM

Ah Tim the only natural parts of water are Hydrogen and Oxygen.
Any thing else where either added by nature or man.
It is found naturally in water though especially in water from underground sources.
So I think you ment it is found in water even if it wasn't placed there by man.
Also there are many types of fluoride. Here are the fluorides found in water naturally and the ones man adds.


So there is a difference in what occurs naturally and what is added by man.

[ThomM]

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Yeh, if it's added by nature then isn't it natural? I think that's the correct term. The point is people have been drinking water with flouride in it for...well, thousands of years perhaps.

People can drink water without minerals. It's called distilled water. Anyone like to drink distilled water? I like distilled water when it's in beer and wine. By the way, I think distilled water is probably more un-natural than mineral water.

My point with the fluoride that everyone here seems to be missing or passing over is that there are different types of fluoride and the types that are in water naturally and the types that are added by man are totally different.
You are basically saying that fluoride in water is safe, and the natural types of fluoride in water are. The others are saying that fluoride in water is dangerous and the types that are put in by man may well be.
Neither side is acknowledging that you are talking about different types of fluoride.

[TelegramSam]

Originally Posted by ThomM

I think the reality of death is you are going to die when you are going to die.

I understand your personal loss that you mentioned etc. I do.

However, the above sentence is a highly generalised and irresponsible thing to say.

It's a bit like saying, "well if i end up a millionaire, i end up a millionaire".

The result of these two statements is that they both lead to inaction and at best irresponsible behaviour...

I may as well eat 10 bigmacs each day, do not exercise, smoke like a chimney, not work hard and not build any more websites.

Who knows, maybe that is the path to happiness, great health and a way to end up rich.

Get real.

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

Yeah when you're going to die, you're going to die. But all things being equal, there are things you can do to keep that from happening sooner than later. But if your body is predisposed to something, you can eat all the berries and nuts and do yoga until you twist yourself into a knot, thats not going to stop nature

MANY people have overcome and beaten all sorts of "predisposed" conditions.

Take the right action and the human being has amazing capacity to overcome all sorts of adversity.

Believe otherwise and you are selling yourself short on what you are truly capable of.

[Michael Motley]

you're not going to be being predisposed to cancer. all the acai in the world wont change genetics.

[TelegramSam]

Thousands of people have successfully overcome cancer, using either or both traditional and non-traditional means.

[ThomM]

However, the above sentence is a highly generalised and irresponsible thing to say.
It's a bit like saying, "well if i end up a millionaire, i end up a millionaire".

It's nothing like that at all.
What I ment and gave examples of is the simple fact of life and death.
You can live any type of life style you want, but when your time is up that's it.
I didn't say that both people in my examples physically or mentally felt the same while they where alive. I didn't say you shouldn't eat what you think are the right foods or have a life style you are comfortable or happy with.
There are only two things we all have in common.
We all where born, and we all will die. What ever we do after we are born will do nothing to change the fact that we will die when it is our time.

So yes that sentence was general, it was ment to be.
But to say it's irresponsible is pretty ridiculous, we all will die when it is our time. Knowing and excepting that one fact of life frees you from the fear of death and allows you to appreciate every moment you have before it happens.

[ThomM]

Originally Posted by TelegramSam

Thousands of people have successfully overcome cancer, using either or both traditional and non-traditional means.

I'm thinking I should of used different examples now.
My post was not about dying of cancer it was about dieing, period.
Something we all will do when it is our time.
It doesn't matter how old you are or if you have a disease.

[TelegramSam]

Originally Posted by ThomM

It's nothing like that at all.
What I ment and gave examples of is the simple fact of life and death.
You can live any type of life style you want, but when your time is up that's it.
I didn't say that both people in my examples physically or mentally felt the same while they where alive. I didn't say you shouldn't eat what you think are the right foods or have a life style you are comfortable or happy with.
There are only two things we all have in common.
We all where born, and we all will die. What ever we do after we are born will do nothing to change the fact that we will die when it is our time.

So yes that sentence was general, it was ment to be.
But to say it's irresponsible is pretty ridiculous, we all will die when it is our time. Knowing and excepting that one fact of life frees you from the fear of death and allows you to appreciate every moment you have before it happens.

I'm sorry, but if you are saying that we can't (most likely) live longer healthier lives, by following and adopting a healthier lifestyle, then you are talking absolute nonsense.