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MIKE -- Lets get a few things straight because you don't know me like many in the OT already do. First off - I am not DOWN on Doctors. I do not believe that doctors want us harmed in any way shape or form (well maybe one or two are more into profits than our health, but there are a few of those in any field). I believe they do their very best - and much of the time, if you talk to some who are enlightened about some practices that are less than kosher, their hands are tied in some issues even if they don't like it. Take MSG for example, many doctors and even many FDA employees have just raged against this dangerous additive being allowed for dumping in our food - but corporations pay for the FDA and the research so they have gotten away with dumping that crap in our food. Now that's gov. - Doctors are against it. If you start to look at the issues of health you will ALWAYS find corporate interest placed above public health and well being. Just pick an issue and research it if you feel I'm a "nut case". Secondly - It is the TRUTH that nurses take more nutrition courses than doctors do. If I want to know how nutrients in certain foods act in the body - I ask a nurse, not a doctor. There are, of course, exceptions to that. If I want to know about drug interactions, I ask a pharmacist, with exceptions. But the truth of educational specialties should not have to be spelled out. Doctors learn anatomy and some biological interactions, of course. But their education isn't really about prevention, etc - it is about the control of symptoms using medication and medically approved techniques. That is how the pharms write the courses and a reason that the word "cure" is illegal to be applied to anything other than drugs. As far as CODEX - if you read again - I posted a link which breaks many of elements down for people who are concerned enough about what is actually going on in our legislative offices but don't have the time or will to read a 500 page document. As I stated - I read it in 2005 when several of us Warriors went to bat to attempt to stop this crap from being signed. I'm not going to do it again. I would think that Americans would be concerned enough about their own lives to do a bit of investigating on their own, and I will point again to the link I provided to help them do so. I also was in Debate with Tim on the issue of fluoride. As you will see, I also provided a link there to the website of an organization I am quite active with. Everything you would desire as proof can be found on that site -from the list of the now over 2,000 medical professionals, scientists, environmental agencies, dental organizations is right there. Any health information you could want concerning water fluoridation is there and in covered in much deeper scientific acuity than I can achieve. Also listed are areas which are now fluoride free so you can check your own area. I feel I have offered very just research that covers my stances on issues with these links - If I have to sit here and type it out because people are reluctant to click a damned link, that is just ridiculous. Now - back to doctors. You might be surprised, but a lot of my ideas about our medical community come straight FROM the community. Sometimes doctors see things that make them suspicious about whether they have been given the straight facts about a condition or drug, etc. For example, it was a doctor in Australia that was seeing some very strange things about melanomas that just didn't add up to the information we have been fed, so he and some friends started to do their OWN independent research and found that we, even doctors, are being lied to in spades about sunlight causing cancer (outside of people who let themselves burn continually, that'll do some prime damage). Now - if you want links for that statement go to my sig and click whatever I have down about skin care there - then go to the "literature" page and click the page of bibliography. Everything on that page at present is related to sunscreen and sunshine. It is my sincerest hope that some day I can come into this forum and discuss the issues of a bill in our legislation with people who are already informed about different parts of the bill instead of those who rant and rail because we aren't spelling everything out for them. ANY American should be interested in what their government is doing and should spend some time at least each week following up on what their reps are doing. Had they been doing this from the get, we would not have as many problems to solve right now as we do. Americans have been negligent to say the least. If someone comes in here and starts ranting about a bill, the first thing I'm going to do is go take a look at it and see if it scares or angers me, too. I was Cheif Justice of my college student government and learned how bills are worded to leave open doors. It was my job to interpret them at U of M. Okay - now also, don't forget that the FDA is funded by the very corporations that it is meant to monitor. They rarely do anything but breeze through the results from research handed to them - and most of that research is done by the very companies that are trying to get a substance passed. And even when they decide they need to ban a substance, interest is given to industry over our general health. Take the example of Avobenzone which was being dumped into sunscreens. It is so highly carcenogenic that it has been banned already in other parts of the world. The FDA also banned it, but sunscreen manufacturers had about a years supply in stock, so what did the FDA do(better question, what were they reimbursed monitarily to do?), they deferred the ban for one year. Just long enough to let the companies run out of old stock. Forget the fact what that crap is doing to the population in the meantime. That is just one example. Do I believe the FDA acts for our own good? Absolutely not. Do I believe gov is interested in the good of the public? LOL. sure they do. Didn't we find that out with the bailout? Where's all your money being spent? On you? And in light of the fact of how many people very loudly said "vote no on the bailout" a turnout larger than about at any time in history and they marched in and signed it anyway - you really think they care about YOU? I had written to my legislator over CODEX. He was also concerned. He said not to worry because of the vast amount of negative reaction to the bill. 50 million letters and faxes saying "vote no" were received, not to mention enough phone calls to swamp the system periodically and emails that did about the same -- yet they quietly marched over to Italy and signed our health rights over to a global organization - repeat that - signed our health rightst to a global organization - DESPITE public outcry. Do you understand the implications of signing rule of AMERICAN rights over to a third party? Take a long look not only at this bill but at the precedent being set here. Okay that is all I have to say about it. If you still think I should be wearing tinfoil - let me remind you that tin foil is yesterday's fashion. We "nut cases" are now using electrostatic bags. |
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Thank you all for your contributions, I really appreciate it. Yes, discussions can get a little heated sometimes and even to personal, in your face. We all have the right to our opinion/beliefs and it is un-fortunate that we sometimes step over the line. To have this wonderful off-topic forum is a gift and we should all try to treat it like that, not easy, I know. Personally, I'd to put a restraining order on myself  to stay cool and not say what at first came to mind, lol.In the end, its supposed to be all good amongst us warriors, that is my sincere wish. Best of luck to all of us (keep it coming if you feel like it but leave the tinfoil and bunkers out please  ) and a Happy 4th of July!I'm off to a BBQ  !(No, its NOT organic but I will force-feed myself  )!
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1. Many professionals are saying no to fluoride in reaction to previously suppressed and recent research - also it's been around now long enough that the effects are easier for them to evaluate. If there are still those who hang on to the idea that there are benefits, what is wrong with stopping fluoridation so those that don't want to be thusly drugged don't need to be - then providing fluoridation "kits" to those that are convinced that fluoride is beneficial? That way only those that want the drug are paying for it and being exposed to it. Doesn't that sound pretty fair to you? 2. CODEX - I will agree that some people have no clue about herbs and their reactions. A lot of people think if it's an herb it is inheritantly harmless and this is just not the truth. But I also think that if the pharmacuetical/medical/industrial complex wasn't allowed the control it has been allowed, the truth about alternative medicines would be much more easily accessible and people would be much more likely to learn to use them correctly. As long as herbs are allowed to be treated as suppressed information, reliable information about them will be hard to find. Much like the illegalization of pot - look what "education" about the plant has resulted from that one. The answer is not tyrannical control, but freedom of choice. Somewhere in this society we have to make room for truthful research rather than research being accepted only from the very corporations that sell the products in question in the first place and happen to pay grants, FDA events, etc. - Don't bite the hand that feeds attitudes have caused many a death in the past and isn't likely to let up under the current structure of the company. They can start by restructuring the FDA so it's not funded by corporations with interests in products that are/or could be harmful. Research should never be allowed from the same company that has monetary gains at stake. I think we are all aware at this stage of the game what the nature of a corporation is. Money - top line, bottom line. UNfortunately the FDA is much like the FED. Until a few years ago people thought the fed was a branch of gov rather than Central bank. I was called a flipping kook for years when I told people it wasnt' part of the government. FDA - most people don't realize that it's funded by the corporations which it is meant to defend us from. uh...yeah, that works. Okay. | |
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LOL - Sal, you took my comments to an entirely different level. Let me go through yours a bit. As you might learn, I am not all that far off from your line of thinking. I am simply more skeptical of BOTH sides - not just the government side... Quote:
Ok, having said that, let me respond to specifics: Down on Doctors? I never mentioned doctors. And I never said anyone was down on them. What I observe is that when people point to GOVERNMENT studies, they are typically "pooh-poohed" by those on the other side of the debate as nothing more than stuff to pull the wool over they eyes of the sheep. Go back through this very thread and you will see similar comments. FDA - there is NOTHING you can tell me about the FDA that I either don't already know or at the very least, suspect. With 20 years working in the pharmaceutical industry, AND dealing with the FDA personally, I am more than qualified to render opinions here. I know full well, what the FDA's STATED mission is, and what their ACTUAL mission is. It's one of the things that you may be surprised that I agree with you on. Big business is the interest, with SAFETY coming in second. Yeah, pretty poor way to "protect" the people, but understand also that when you get down to the personnel level of the FDA - as in the actual safety inspectors - the ones not taking bribes ARE actually concerned about the safety of the consumers. Like I stated - I don't think ANYTHING is completely one way or the other. Quote:
Now, in my niece's case, there were things tried on BOTH fronts - all with big promises, studies, etc. but in the end, not one thing we did mattered one iota. Nothing helped. What do you say to my sister who was at her bedside, fighting hard, after all of this? Not much, let me tell you... Quote:
Personally speaking, I never even HEARD of this CODEX thing until this thread. Does that mean I am a clueless guy? Or simply that there are so MANY things to focus our attention on that we have to pick and choose. I'm sorry, but it's impossible to champion every cause you come across - no matter what the consequences. Quote:
It proves that there's more than one result - the one they want to see. You see why it's hard for people to simply swallow what they're told simply because some website lists a bunch of results from "scientists"they never heard of? I mean, have you verified the qualifications of all these scientists? Silly, right? I think so too. That's another reason I NEVER swallow fully what I am told from ANY side of an argument. I am a realists - I believe in the old addage that there is one side, there is the other side, and somewhere in the middle is the truth. Quote:
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Drugs are complicated. Difficult to study, R&D, produce, package and educate people on. If you listen to the commercials for all the bull**** drugs on the market today (I mean, Restless Leg Syndrome? WTF is THAT all about! LOL) listen to the side effects. They're usually worse than the condition it's treating! I for one will not take drugs unless absolutely necessary. My 5 year old is smarter than some - he 100% refuses to take ANYthing (thank goodness he's never needed anything urgently!). I had surgery about 7 years ago. The doctor prescribed Percoset for the pain. After one day of that ****, I took myself off and dealt with the pain. As I have stated on several occassions in this forum - comeing from the drug manufacturing business, I see first hand what goes in to these drugs people put in to their bodies. But I digress - as I stated earlier - I never mentioned doctors. Quote:
Now, that was a generalization, and not really meant for you, but as someone who TRIES to see both sides of an issue, the passion from both sides really BLINDS you from even attempting to listen to what the other side has to say. It has on this CODEX issue - both sides. Quote:
Is that sad? Depends on where you're sitting, but it is what it is. If you're expecting it to change any time soon, then it's time you had a reality check. People are lazy and don't care if they're lied to repeatedly. Hell, look in the regular forum and the Reviews forum. All people want is a way to have things with no work on their part. And oh, yeah...for free. They also take their civil liberties for granted. Most people do. If you really want to make a change, then run for an office, get out of the forum and on to T.V. or radio - something. The audience is way too limited here. Quote:
There are general inspections, which are made at random, unannounced, to ensure companies are "doing the right thing" (whatever that means). They are typically breezed through. Then there are the inspections where a drug company wants approval on a new drug. In this case, I have not sat through one that was a "breeze through". They took months to get through all of the inspections, reinspections, and all manner of crap. Drugs had to be tested, tested and tested again. Pass within a certain tolerance, and so on. They can drag on for a LONG time. But, that doesn't mean the drugs that pass are any safer. The there are the inspections where a complaint was made or a very public issue happens. I have witnessed more than one drug company be put out of business from the fines levied upon them. I have participated in the aftermath of inspections, where companies were FINED over a BILLION dollars, then STILL had to make MAJOR renovations in order to stay in business. And I know first hand of three men, partners in a drug company, who were decent men, go to jail because of the way OTHER'S in their company were doing things, got caught, FDA stepped in. It goes to the top - the founders are still in prison. So, saying ALL FDA activity is ONLY in the best interest of big business is simply wrong - and silly. Sorry, but no manner of websites with "proof" will change the mind of someone who saw first hand what the FDA does to companies who they feel are endangering the public. Quote:
Frankly though, there are so many things that are bad for us that even if you multiplied the FDA staff by ten times, there would STILL be too much for them to do. They are grossly understaffed for what they are charged with overseeing. This is one reason I don't necessarily believe it's ALL about protecting big business. They just simply can't do more - or, perhaps big business keeps the agency from growing for just that reason... who knows. Quote:
This - again - is part of my argument. The fact that you seem to lump ANYTHING positive I said about the government into me saying I swallow everything they say. Let me say this one more time... I do NOT believe ANYTHING told to me as pure 100% gospel from ANY side of a debate or issue. Hope that was clear.And for the record, what does the bailout have to do with this discussion? I never mentioned it, nor do I think it's pertinent to this debate. It seems to me it was simply more fodder thrown in to muddle the issue at hand. Quite possibly? You tell me, since I never brought this bailout thing into the mix... Quote:
Funny though - your one complaint is how people are not reading all the info out there, or in your posts, yet you seem to have not read - or understood - mine. Pot calling the kettle black, perhaps? And, finally, nothing I said was meant to be personal. I do read your posts, quite frequently. I do think you make good arguments at times. I have a great deal of respect for you. So don't make my "disagreement" with your viewpoint into some personal thing. Trust me - we don't know each other well enough to be that personal. I simply state my beliefs. You can make what you want out of them, but it's in no way any kind of personal attack on you. Thanks for reading. Mike | |||||||||||||
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Yep been there and done that on that one Never went to the doctors though so I have no idea about the medication or treatment for it. Good post by the way Mike. | |
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07-04-2009, 07:56 PM
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Crap Thom - that sounds like a side effect of MSG. Mike - Sorry, yes I did read your post - just finished an ebook and am a bit tired, but generally if you sense I am getting irritable and even a bit defensive - you are probably right. (got any drugs for that?  ). As I stated, I've been fighting CODEX since 2005 - and if you read my post to Tim, after the one I posted to you, it points out one of the reasons this bill scares me so badly which has nothing to do with nutrition in any way shape or form -- it's in precedents. I do get sick of being called "paranoid" "nutcase" "conspiracy nut" by people who never even check into the bills that are discussed here so I do go off pretty easily sometimes. You are right - not all ignorance of any particular bill is stupidity or laziness. There is so much going on that it's impossible for one person to keep up with everything. It's the attitudes of many who just namecall "conspiracy nut" without even taking a look at some of the **** that's coming down that wear me thin. That's why I like Tim so much - we are almost always at oppositions in our opinions. Not always but often enough to make enemies of some people -- But I know that he checks stuff out before forming his opinions and he knows I check into things, too. He has called me on a few things here and again and I have to go back and check my own facts sometimes. I cover one hell of a lot of material in one day's time and don't always remember where my sources were, but I do remember the reading I've done to come up to the conclusions I have. WHile I don't always have time to look everything up again when I tell people to do the research themselves it's usually a matter that's real easy to find on google. Some is more obscure and really need citing if people are going to find it. Now I know all about the fear of cancer. I was diagnosed with Leukemia in 1987 - I was 85 pounds and they wanted to start me on chemotherapy right away. I ran to the mountains and took care of it on my own. I'm about the healthiest dead person I've ever met. I still to this day think that I was misdiagnosed, but it doesn't matter anymore. I also remember the first time I went to a doctor years later in 1992. I had accidentally poisoned myself on arsenic at a mine site (hell, who knew arsenic was naturally occuring in gold mine gange minerals, LOL) bad enough to make me violently ill. When they told me I had a weak immune system my reaction was to laugh with true hilarity. I knew I'd won. I didn't have any immune system in 1987 when I was diagnosed. Then I bulked at the 5,000 bucks the hospital wanted to treat me and went to a natureopath as soon as offices opened up - 25 bucks for the office visit and about 10 bucks of herbs to leach the metal out of my system. SO...when I get overly advocary about alternative medicines, I have good reason to be extreme in pig-headedness over the issues. LOL. I don't actually care if people want to swallow drugs all their lives as long as I am given the choice not to. Right now that right needs protection. I've only been to a doctor twice since my (mis?)diagnosis, and both times were in emergencies when I had no other options (once I was not even lucid so didn't even know where I was being taken nor did I care). I am glad to know that you have first hand info on the FDA. I don't fault the workers there - I fault the leaders who have the final say and the corporations who would toss us all in the brink for an extra buck profit. I'll remember you for inside views of issues that come up from now on though. I often depend on people from the inside for info. Back just before I got so sick I researched some business cases for US West and had access to an area of info that I needed a few security clearances to get into and what I found out from the inside was one heck of a lot different than anything I would have found out from the outside.......it was about the time I fashioned my first tin foil hat. Anyhow - good post. Sorry if I over-reacted, I'll attempt to keep more perspective in the future. If I've eaten sugar recently - don't count on it happening though, |
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07-04-2009, 08:23 PM
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Codex Alimentarius is very real. It is already in force in Germany and I believe in one of the Scandanavian countries. I can't remember which. In the video below, the narrator, Ian Crane, has spent over a year researching Codex Alimentarius. The video is 1 1/2 hours long. I'm not trying to force anyone to believe anything. Just be informed and be prepared, is all I would suggest. |
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07-04-2009, 08:34 PM
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How's your fight against it going in Canada, Karen?
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 As much as I love my friends, they just don't want to know and they don't believe anything that isn't delivered via mainstream media.
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Mainstream media? What's that? I gave up on that crap years ago. But man, it's SO difficult finding sources of news that are NOT biased one way or the other. Which is why it's so important to get more than one side of an issue or story and then you can ACTUALLY make an informed decision.
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Quote: "Personally speaking, I never even HEARD of this CODEX thing until this thread. Does that mean I am a clueless guy? Or simply that there are so MANY things to focus our attention on that we have to pick and choose. I'm sorry, but it's impossible to champion every cause you come across - no matter what the consequences. [end quote/]" Hi Mike, thanks for your very detailed post from somebody one the inside. I'm a VERY small fry myself, but I DO know about CA. Karen: got some other stuff to do right now but will watch your video first thing tomorrow morning, thanks for you contribution. BTW, besides Germany, its Norway that has been severely affected (diluted down to about 10% but still paying full price, want full STRENGTH, pay about 10 times as much plus you need a prescription from a doctor so the VISIT is additional = one big chunk of money). I'm thinking that by now, other countries have lost out to Codex as well and as previously mentioned earlier several times, ITS ALL ABOUT POWER AND THE MONEY. BTW, did anyone miss the point somebody mention that WATER is next on Codex agenda? Yeah, throw the tinfoil at me but before you do, please look into it!Happy 4th! |
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Sounds reasonable to me Sal. That could be part of the vote in the local water districts I mentioned. If you can make both sides happy, great. Another option would be to do just the opposite: offer flouridation water filters to those who don't want it in their water. Not sure which would be more feasable economically. Perhaps neither the way things are now. Quote:
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07-05-2009, 03:24 AM
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It'd be cheaper to leave it out and just give it to those that wanted it, Tim. That one is water under the bridge in a different circle of mine, LOL - we already priced it out. Actually fluoride filters can be outrageously spendy. Vikuna2009 (If that is your real name) I don't remember water and CODEX being linked - I got pretty blurry on a few pages...half of em probably, LOL.........but there has been a grab in Congress to take rights of all water in the US instead of just the Maritime waterways. They were selling municipal water supplies to foreign concerns awhile back. And they tried to get fluoride put in bottled water - then they tried to stop bottled water. They are all over water, but I don't remember that there is any link between CODEX itself and water. - if you find it in there, let me know. |
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This article is misleading. The FDA didn't say a cherry is a drug. That was the author paraphrasing what she thinks the FDA did. All the FDA did was issue warning letters saying the claims they were making about cherries being able to treat and prevent gout, arthritis, lupus and other ailments were unproven. That's not calling cherries drugs. Also, can someone show me where Canada tried to make Garlic illegal? I have not seen this either and it seems to another case where one person makes a claim, as in the cherries are drugs case, and other simply repeating it. Here's some info about the Canadian bill people are/were worried about: Government of Canada - Healthy Canadians Quote:
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Tim,thanks for bringing up Canada's Bill C-51. I just re-read the Q&A and I like this: "There is nothing in Bill C-51 that changes the regulatory status of natural health products from over-the-counter, as they are now, to prescription. Under Bill C-51, Canadians will continue to have access to natural health products that are safe, effective and of high quality. Natural health products would continue to be classed as therapeutic products because they make health claims, and because the Government does not wish NHPs to become subject to the international Codex Alimentarius." Now if Canada sticks to their guns and doesn't bow down to pressure from the advocates of Codex Alimentarius, we will be ok. However, if what Ian Crane discusses in the video I posted above about a North American union and it actually comes to pass, then Canadians will be subject to the same rules as the rest of North America | |
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Tim - Canada and garlic - C-51. The actual document was floating around google awhile back but I can't remember what month or even if it was this year or the end of last year. Yes - garlic is targeted by CODEX. I'm not sure how many countries are involved in CA - Canada, US, and at least a good portion of the EU if not all of it. Not sure if there are others. It is a WHO production, though and even if they are spot on here and there with some of their concerns - others are literally a banishment of very healthy supplements - AND - it is still a matter of passing the rightst of Americans to a third party -- which is the epitomy and definition of TREASON (if they haven't edited that one, too). I'd like to see the legislators that signed it at LEAST jailed for treason. There is a reason we have a constitution and rights and it's not for some jerkwad with an agenda to come along and just pass them over to someone else to dictate - especially considering the fact that they tried to keep it hidden from us and still received "no way" messages from about 17% of the country. How many would have written had it been announced by MSM and generally known about. I can still say CODEX to most people and they have no clue what it is at all. It's a pretty sad state of a nation when they have to try to hide legislation from the public to get it passed or when they just ignore what we tell them to do. Completely rogue. At least since the bailout people are becoming aware - and there are a lot fewer tin-foil comments thrown in earnest these days.
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Its not the doctors that are dumb and trying to pull a trick on you, its thet population they have to provide the information to. The idiots that still think a steak a day with breakfast is a good diet. Its the fault of the college(and beyond) educated individuals that the rest of the mouth breathing knuckledraggers cant understand what is being told to them. | |
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Hi Sal, my "real name" is Eva and when I get the time and find the info about Codex taking over the water as well, I will post it here. As far as CA, it will not only regulate the U.S. and a few other countries, their plans are WORLD-WIDE! No one will get un-touched by them, NO-ONE, period. IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY! So, if you now are spending $300 a year on your nutritional supplements, starting next year it will be $3,000 (give or take a few $ since they do not give you an exact formula but roughly 10 times more). Take that times x millions of people and maybe now you will start to understand what is really going on... BTW, this is just the beginning. | |
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Micheal - there are a LOT of reasons for our surge of obesity that have nothing to do with how much people are eating - fat is a symptom - and the causes are not always people's faults. I am just to release an eguide about why people are fat and unable to lose weight and the research absolutely made ME ill. Consider this -- people aren't eating any more than they ever did, but for the last few decades people have absolutely ballooned. Obesity, or at least overweight is now the norm. What's up with that? Anyone who is overweight should start thinking real fast about their health and quit worrying about being "descriminated against". Sorry about the luck but if you are overweight you are FAT, so get your heads out of your ass and start wondering if maybe it isn't normal to be FAT on the amount of food you are eating. I'd also do a little research on the cholestreal debate before I jumped on the bandwagon to lower mine. Women can kill themselves if they don't get enough - and I am talking BOTH kinds. Men need less, so aren't being hurt as badly unless they are taking drugs for it. Eva - Yes, when the Warriors battled CODEX in 2005 - it wasn't just American Warriors who were sending mass mailings and putting up websites. You might have missed it in an earlier post but that is one of the reasons people should be rising against CODEX in America - it is called TREASON in this country to give our rights to a third party - and that is what happened when they signed the damned thing. America and it's legislators do not have final control of this thing, they can only alter it to extents. There are already a billion people starving to death worldwide, although we hear NOTHING of that in our news. You will hear nothing of this either - just as we did not see it in the news when they signed it, yet it can alter our very lives. We are also about to get a very dangerous ruling for socialized medicine. If you link together everything they are doing right now and see how they are all intertwined, you will see the extent of the control of our lives that is just about to happen. I expect more than millions to die. No high doses of Vit C, anti-sun propeganda, lowered nutrition, socialized control of a pharmacuetical/medical complex. Just what do you think is going to happen when that virus finally hits? LMAO. Cattle to the slaughter. |
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That's bullcrap. Unless you have an glandular issue its not rocket science. people are fat because they eat crap and dont move, its nothing more indepth than that. Our lives are wrapped around pc's, iphones and 42" lcd tv's. We live in ac controlled environments and work in them too. We eat garbage that comes in a styrofoam box made almost completely from chemicals. Wii's are considered strenuous exercise. No wonder every country in the world wants to attack us. If i was broke and saw a huge pile of gold being guarded by a fat guy that cant move more than 5 steps without getting winded, i'd kick his ass for that gold too. |
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They start wars whenever they wish and use whatever methods they wish. Who is strong enought to challenge the "Beast"?! It is simply about power,ABSOLUTE power. Not looking to start a religious spat here but, the Bible relates what is to come and no, I am not just talking about the Book of Revelation. "A woman in travail" means, like child birth the contractions increase and get more severe, until the final act. Expect all things to continue to get worse. It even has stories that are "Prophetic Parallels" to our own time. reading those stories will give you a very good indication of what is in OUR future. What is a recurring theme/technique is "2 steps forward then one step back". Order out of Chaos is not just something on cash, it is their major method. Eventually/slowly they achieve what they wish,with only small amounts of complaints from the sheep. Looking at the Hegelian Dialectic you can learn what the Spinmeisters are actually doing. They do their dirty deeds out in the open but, like the magician, they distract you with shiney things so, you aren't aware of what they are up to. I do feel our water is filled with gunk to make us docile. Sure rain down your hate on me, I give 2 sh*ts. If anyone truly believes we are as free as our founding fathers started then we have NOTHING in common to talk about. You are dead a lot longer than living so, I suggest considering what you intend to do then. Peace, wealth and love and get prepared. John | |
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our founding fathers would roll over in their graves if they knew what we have become
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I also just got some oil of oregano. Whoa, this stuff is powerful. It could probably kill the pain of a freshly amputated limb. It's 20x more powerful than ambesol. The taste is 1000x nastier than any medicine you've ever tried, but it works really well. Will get me through until I can get to the doctor. Doing some research on the oregano oil. I'm surprised this stuff isn't more popular. Dave Maschke | |
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Thank you guys (and gals) for all of your responses, justified or not. /all I wanted to do, is to inform you that this is real. Let me ask you a question, since this is life-transforming, how come the press is doing NOTHING??? Since we are all Warriors, why do you not contact your local press and have them do an article about this? Just a thought... (But probably too late...). 'Anyway, a WARRIORn never gives up, right????!!!! |
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Free? Oh, you mean for only white males. Quote:
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You haven't done that yet. Sure, there is a codex alimentarius, but can you point to one part of it that says prices will increase by 1000% starting on Jan 1st of 2010? Or, can you point to one part that says people won't be able to buy their vitamins and supplements anymore? I'll bet you a nickel that prices won't jump by 1000% on Jan 1st 2010. The reason the press isn't covering this is because it looks like another run of the mill conspiracy theory. I haven't seen anything yet to convince me otherwise besides some weird ass lecturers talking. In fact, I've seen more reasons to believe it's the same old group who pushes the Illuminati, New World Order, 9-11 truthers, north american union conspiracy bullcrap on us. Quote:
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http://ntcb.org/news/codex/CodexOverview.pdf (no bullcrap here, just bring your wallet). Enjoy.... | |
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Another snippet of information for you:
The FDA's "draft guidance" on the issue first appeared in December, but federal officials said it was printed in the Federal Register on Feb. 27, prompting the growing storm of protest. The FDA has reported that approximately one-third of all adult Americans have reported participating in or using some form of "complementary and alternative medicine" and officials estimate nutritional supplement sales total about $5 billion a year in America. On the NewsTarget website, self-described "Health Ranger" Mike Adams posted one of the alerts. "What this means to consumers, according to the proposal as outlined in FDA Docket number 2006D-0480, is that things like vitamins and herbs would be controlled by the FDA, and could possibly require prescriptions from a naturopath, herbologist or some other physician, all of which would require you to pay a health insurance company and contribute to the already back-breaking cost of healthcare in America," he wrote. "There are those who do not trust the U.S. government to act in the interest of its citizens and health insurance providers," he said. "Those people have good reason to feel this way, and the amount of dangerous – DEADLY, even – pharmaceutical drugs that get recalled … is testament to the fact that human beings can be used as guinea pigs because the FDA allows the pharmaceutical industry to release drugs that haven't been properly tested." As WND recently reported, Merck and Co. had been donating to state legislators across the nation who in return were working to require young girls to be given Merck's $400 vaccine that prevents a virus that is spread only through sexual contact. WND also has reported on the mandatory anthrax shots for members of the military, even though they had not been fully tested, and the possibility that government officials also could order civilians to be vaccinated. "This [new] proposal would allow the FDA to control your access to 'alternatives' to the broken, profit-driven, corrupt pharmaceutical industry here in the U.S.," Adams wrote. "When it comes to health freedom, this is the FDA's end game," he said. "They tried to sneak this under the radar, but word got out and now the natural health community is up in arms over this rule. "This move by the FDA is designed to once and for all destroy the 1994 DSHEA law that has made supplements 'legal' while eliminating nutritional supplements and natural medicine from the United States, ensuring monopoly profits and control by drug companies and the FDA," he said. "Under these proposed guidelines, FDA 'experts' (the same corrupt officials who re-approved Vioxx after it killed over 50,000 Americans) will decide whether herbs, supplements, vitamins or simple devices like massage stones are to be regulated as drugs and medical devices," Adams continued. "If the FDA experts, in their infinite wisdom, decide that these things are to be reclassified, they will essentially be outlawed, stripped from the shelves, and regulated out of existence. Anyone who dares to manufacture, promote or sell such products may be branded a criminal and rounded up by armed FDA agents who have a well established history of suppressing natural medicine." "This is not a drill. It really is time to be alarmed," he said. "Nothing else I've written about this year is as important as this sinister plot to destroy natural medicine and force the American population to resort to dangerous prescription medications sold at monopoly prices under a system of medical tyranny." For example, he cited wording directly from the FDA plans: "…if a person decides to produce and sell raw vegetable juice for use in juice therapy to promote optimal health … [and] if the juice therapy is intended for use as part of a disease treatment regiment…, the vegetable juice would also be subject to regulation as a drug." Keep in mind, he said, the FDA is the agency that "openly allows the mass poisoning of the public with cancer-causing food additives such as sodium nitrite." According to his website, Adams suffered from degenerative disease, was nearly obese and diabetic by 30. He became a student of nutrition and natural therapies and gave up all pharmaceuticals, over-the-counter drugs, caffeine and pursued a natural foods diet with exercise. He lost 50 pounds, his diabetes vanished and his blood pressured reached 105/60, so he began a writing and teaching career on his own transformation. An essay by Roger Wicke at Rocky Mountain Hi Herbal noted, "The unstated purpose of the FDA, and similar organizations in many other countries, is and always has been the protection of major pharmaceutical company profits. Expensive testing protocols act as a way to keep drugs and herbs within the control of the international cartels. While such tests may make sense for newly synthesized drugs with no track record in cultural tradition or popular usage, they are inappropriate for herb and food products, especially those with a long history of usage." The FDA, in its announcement, said the federal government has been investigating and monitoring "complementary and alternative medicine" since 1992. It also said "depending on the … therapy or practice, a product used … may be subject to regulation." Secondly, it noted, the law does not exempt alternative medicine products from regulation. Alan Stang, writing on etherzone.com, was a little more blunt. "Recently we wrote about the 72-year-old Florida grandmother whom the Food and Drug Administration Nazis are charging with a couple of felonies and some misdemeanors for helping cancer victims get the laetrile (Vitamin B-17) they need," he wrote. "Now here come these same offspring of unmarried female canines, with a scheme that may outlaw supplements…" He said where such laws already have kicked in, Echinacea, which recharges the immune system, used to cost $14 a bottle, but now is $153. "Because they work, they have now become 'drugs,'" he said. "Not content to dominate the drug trade and send your prescription drugs into the $tratosphere, the Food & Drug Administration is now trying (yet again) to take over the entire health food and nutritional supplement industry so they can shut it down forever, leaving expensive FDA-approved drugs – with their myriad as your only option for treating anything from Alzheimer's to zits," wrote Jim Rutz, in a WND column. "The FDA hacks are pooh-poohing the significance of the new guidelines as toothless suggestions that merely 'clarify' and 'change nothing.' Yeah, right. In truth, they're following the classic procedure for passing outrageous laws that wouldn't have a chance without an incremental, camel-nose-under-the-tent approach," he said. "In reality, 2006D-0480 would eventually change everything. The FDA realizes that alternative medicine has far, far more solutions to chronic diseases than mainline medicine does ... and that panics them…" WND also has reported on an agreement by the FDA and the Federal Trade Commission to a Trilateral Cooperation Charter with counterparts in Canada and Mexico under the auspices of NAFTA and the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America that will elevate the crackdown on public access to vitamins. "The purpose is to make an end run around any domestic law that interferes with food and drug multi-national corporate profits," John Hammell, a critic of the plan, told WND. Hammell is the founder of International Advocates for Health Freedom, an advocacy group created to fight globalists' efforts to regulate alternative health treatments, including herbs, dietary supplements, and vitamins. "A key goal of the Trilateral Cooperation Charter is to limit the public's access to food supplements and vitamins that are fundamental to many types of alternative medicine," Hammell said. "The Trilateral Cooperation Charter is determined to attack the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 by moving to merge our food and drug regulations with those of Canada and Mexico, both of whom are far more restrictive on dietary supplements." He believes the agenda of the Trilateral Cooperation Charter reflects a globalist desire to advance the interests of the large pharmaceutical companies by reining in the food supplements industry worldwide. He points to efforts such as the Codex Alimentarius Commission that was created in 1963 by the Food and Agricultural Organization and the World Health Organization, both official groups within the United Nations. "The Codex Alimentarius Commission claims that their main purpose is to protect the health of consumers and ensure fair trade practices in the food trade worldwide," Hammell explained to WND. "But the truth is that the Codex Alimentarius Commission is dominated by corporate multi-national interests that do not have as their primary concern the health interests of the people they claim they are in business to protect, not if that health interest is better served by alternative food supplements and alternative medicine. 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07-07-2009, 02:36 AM
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Is that you Indy? It's weird how most of these sources also have appeared on the Alex Jones show. These people are career conspiracy theorists. Quote:
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07-07-2009, 06:27 AM
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Well big boy, your comment justifies my retraction  .Bye. | |
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Here's an example of how these Codex investigators are up to their heads in conspiracy theory BS. From Ian Crane's site: Ian R Crane - Back On-Line (Powered by CubeCart) Quote:
Oh, and by the way, he also seems to think Rima Laibow might be a "controlled opposition". Haha. I mean, is there any conspiracy theory this guy doesn't like? Even among themselves they have their own little conspiracies. Is there any conspiracy this guy doesn't make money from? All you see on his site is DVDs for sale. There's big bucks to be made in this stuff. Quote:
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I knew wnd.com had to be involved in this It just floors me that marketers of all people can be sucked into such tripe. |
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Quote: "These people are career conspiracy theorists." THESE PEOPLE???????????????????????? Yeah, there are conspiracy theorists out there, for sure. However, this time you are totally wrong, mark my word and BTW, why do you bring in such crap to the thread? Start your own s***t somewhere else, thank you. |
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I'm responding to what's in this thread. Oh, you only want people who agree with you and buy everything your sources say? Quote:
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Tim - we should have moved forward on that forum idea we had a couple of years back...imagine how active it would have been by now? |
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A conspiracy forum? Oh absolutely. There are so many people out there that are just dying for the next black ops reason as to why the government is out to get them. Throw in some affiliate stuff for seedbanks, survival gear, gas masks...damn i need to start this myself worldnetdaily.com - Traffic Details from Alexa look at wnd which is crackpot central. probably more ip addresses coming out of undergound bunkers and mother's basements than any other site on the internet. |
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I'm not here to sell anything, anything at all, just to inform you of what is coming, simple as that, and yes, I get a little frustrated when people don't listen. I'm sure there is a whole bunch of lunatics out there and then some. I'm not one, I have nothing to gain and all I wanted was to share the information. Of course you have the right to your opinion, I don't have a problem with that. Carry on... | |
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no conspiracy theorists really have anything to gain. they just get some perverse satisfaction when someone else believes their special flavor of crazy, it vindicates them for all the times everyone else that has heard their ideas has laughed at them
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Vikuna2009+, Don't waste your breathe or rather your finger tips on these kinds of people. Nothing you say or do will enlighten them at all. These are the same kind of people who wake up one day and finally look around and say "What the f*** just happened? Last thing I remember I was sitting on the sofa, watching fox, cnn and nibbling on my cookies". Or comments such as "Oh this is terrible, someone should do something about it". They are just spectators on these kinds of things. You know the situation and the dangers of what might happen. Keep on letting people know and eventually some will take a genuine interest and not poke childish fun. Sam Last | |
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yes, we're all sheep, only YOU are in the know...really....no seriously. even though you are in the exact same place as all the rest of the 'sheep', living the same way, doing the same thing, YOU are the only enlightened one in the crowd. So which is worse, those not aware of an oncoming train that dont move, or those that are aware, yet stand their ground next to those that dont see it coming. |
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Dear Vikuna2009+, As I said, don't waste your breathe or rather your finger tips on these kinds of people. Nothing you say or do will enlighten them at all. Sam |
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so go enlighten someone. or better yet, take the fight to them, instead of sitting here talking about it. but that would require action wouldnt it... |
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| Re: Selling nutrition? Will Codex Alimentarius shut you down 2010? Quote:
Thank you, hard to believe though, when you are trying to HELP, what kind of s***it do you get back? Go figure... IMHO, spend an hour to research this "stuff" (I'll dare ya, lol). Please do not only read this thread and do nothing else. Your LIFE depends on it... | |
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07-07-2009, 08:34 PM
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| Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: California, an hour north of L.A.
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| Re: Selling nutrition? Will Codex Alimentarius shut you down 2010? Quote:
Yep, you are right, fool if you do, fool if you don't. Go figure.. Maybe all this actors can afford paying for reservetrol come 2010, I sure can't, lol. | |
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07-07-2009, 08:37 PM
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| Senior Warrior Member War Room Member | Re: Selling nutrition? Will Codex Alimentarius shut you down 2010? Quote:
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It's no different than perhaps being a Christian and trying to convice a Jewish person that Christ is the Messiah and will rise again... Or that perhaps your statistics show that Country Music is WAYYYYY better than Rap. Your "proof" is no more proof to those who don't believe then THEIR proof is to you. Think about it - there have been responses trying to "convince" you with "proof" that what you believe just isn't so - yet you don't believe it, do you? In fact, people who have sided with you in this debate have called those who try to convince you of their viewpoint "sheep"... You are no different than those you think can't be enlightened. Seriously - you're not. You're just upset that you are not being believed. Let it go. At the end of the day we're ALL blinded by our beliefs and ideals. It doesn't make you or I better than ANYONE else. I for one think these "arguments" become nothing more than pissing contests to see who can get the last word, or who can win. But there's no winners here. Instead of wasting time and energy being pissed off at those who won't believe you or think you're nuts, try taking action, kind of like what HeySal says she did back in 05 - start a petition, write your congressmen, take a stand. You won't accomplish anything here...the same 5 people are posting now. The thread has become too long and dull for others to really get anything out of it. Again...let it go. You'll feel better, trust me. Mike | ||
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07-07-2009, 08:49 PM
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| Re: Selling nutrition? Will Codex Alimentarius shut you down 2010? Quote:
FEEL BETTER? So what did YOU do? Just curious... | |
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