Selling nutrition? Will Codex Alimentarius shut you down 2010?

[seasoned]

MUCH Science ITSELF was a bit of a conspiracy, to overthrow ANOTHER conspiracy created by the church. THAT is fact ALSO! HECK, I was TOLD about one conspiracy in 2005, and it FORCED me to pay 10 times what I should have and could have. EVERY doctor AGREED with the conspiracy, which has affected the whole US, and was driven by the AMA and the ***FDA***! There was ALSO a conspiracy to deny me the ability to test myself.(my hospital, ALL EMPLOYEES) It took about 6 months to break through that. There was ALSO a conspiracy to charge me twice.(my hospital, and the new one managed to accept me) It took about 2 years to break through that. There was ALSO a conspiracy to deny me supplies, so I couldn't test myself(The manufacturer(The biggest), and the ***FDA***)! Yep, that took about 3 MONTHS! I ACTUALLY tracked down THE FDA agent involved with the supposed "recall", and got her and the company to STOP. My mother said it was a ploy to advertise a new machine, and said they would quickly advertise one. Within a week, they DID! Realize, that this was about 2 years after I bought the one I had, with NO such ads.

Anyway, in 2007, my new doctor told me about the CONSPIRACY to tell this LIE! The makers of coumadin got the FDA and AMA to create a new classification of drugs! They put warfarin under it, so coumadin was in a special class. People couldn't take generics! WHY? Because they would have to go under the trial/error method of dosing again and failure could lead to stroke or possibly death! Well, my new doctor told me that was a scam, and he was RIGHT! BECAUSE I could test myself, I could easily do this with relative safety. If I had to have a hospital do it, it would be dangerous.

BTW agencies have special people to OFTEN create conspiracies for their power/profit. They are known as PACS(Political Action Committies), and Lobbyists. They use lies, promises, bribes, and kickbacks!

So discounting ALL "conspiracy theories" is just STUPID!

Steve

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by seasoned

MUCH Science ITSELF was a bit of a conspiracy, to overthrow ANOTHER conspiracy created by the church. THAT is fact ALSO! HECK, I was TOLD about one conspiracy in 2005, and it FORCED me to pay 10 times what I should have and could have. EVERY doctor AGREED with the conspiracy, which has affected the whole US, and was driven by the AMA and the ***FDA***! There was ALSO a conspiracy to deny me the ability to test myself.(my hospital, ALL EMPLOYEES) It took about 6 months to break through that. There was ALSO a conspiracy to charge me twice.(my hospital, and the new one managed to accept me) It took about 2 years to break through that. There was ALSO a conspiracy to deny me supplies, so I couldn't test myself(The manufacturer(The biggest), and the ***FDA***)! Yep, that took about 3 MONTHS! I ACTUALLY tracked down THE FDA agent involved with the supposed "recall", and got her and the company to STOP. My mother said it was a ploy to advertise a new machine, and said they would quickly advertise one. Within a week, they DID! Realize, that this was about 2 years after I bought the one I had, with NO such ads.

Anyway, in 2007, my new doctor told me about the CONSPIRACY to tell this LIE! The makers of coumadin got the FDA and AMA to create a new classification of drugs! They put warfarin under it, so coumadin was in a special class. People couldn't take generics! WHY? Because they would have to go under the trial/error method of dosing again and failure could lead to stroke or possibly death! Well, my new doctor told me that was a scam, and he was RIGHT! BECAUSE I could test myself, I could easily do this with relative safety. If I had to have a hospital do it, it would be dangerous.

BTW agencies have special people to OFTEN create conspiracies for their power/profit. They are known as PACS(Political Action Committies), and Lobbyists. They use lies, promises, bribes, and kickbacks!

So discounting ALL "conspiracy theories" is just STUPID!

Steve

You're not paranoid if they really ARE out to get you (. )\ /(. ).... ( .)\ / ( .)

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

You're not paranoid if they really ARE out to get you (. ) /(. ).... ( .) / ( .)

You might be right! In researching the info on warfarin, I found that most tablets have ALUMINUM in them, for color! The pharmacist said "OH, the FDA probably considers it safe". WELL, PUBLICALLY, the FDA considered partical board safe(I KNEW better, and they eventually ADMITTED it!)! They consider amalgam safe, and the ADA SAYS they agree, but they have their members treat it like it is plutonium! ALUMINUM is the most prevalent mineral here, and implicated in ALZHEIMERS! They would probably STILL be using it for wiring if they didn't find out that it is too dangerous for that.

Steve

[seasoned]

BTW Bristol-Myers Squibb did that garbage to prevent people from moving from coumadin to the cheaper generic. I am not claiming they had a vandetta against ME specifically.

Steve

[MikeAmbrosio]

LOL - I can't believe this thread is not only still going, but the direction it's taken.

I'm going back on vacation...

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

LOL - I can't believe this thread is not only still going, but the direction it's taken.

I'm going back on vacation...

Have a nice time!

[myob]

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

LOL - I can't believe this thread is not only still going, but the direction it's taken.

I'm going back on vacation...

Be sure to take your VITAMINS. And when you start feeling someone is out to get you, the best all-natural antidote is 2 quarts of AMBER-COLORED beer. Be careful not to use DARK beer, because it may just be watered-down BULL **** with flouride water or Kool Aide! This has been proven to cause teeth to fall out, BRAIN DAMAGE and delusions of conspiracy. Enjoy your vacation.

[MikeAmbrosio]

Originally Posted by myob

Be sure to take your VITAMINS. And when you start feeling someone is out to get you, the best all-natural antidote is 2 quarts of AMBER-COLORED beer. Be careful not to use DARK beer, because it may just be watered-down BULL **** with flouride water or Kool Aide! This has been proven to cause teeth to fall out, BRAIN DAMAGE and delusions of conspiracy. Enjoy your vacation.

HAHAHAHAHA! Funny stuff, thanks.

[ThomM]

Be careful not to use DARK beer, because it may just be watered-down BULL **** with flouride water or Kool Aide! This has been proven to cause teeth to fall out, BRAIN DAMAGE and delusions of conspiracy. Enjoy your vacation.

You know the Germans drink a lot of dark beer, just sayin that's all.

[myob]

Originally Posted by ThomM

You know the Germans drink a lot of dark beer, just sayin that's all.

Yes, the Germans do drink a LOT of dark beer. But the difference is you know EXACTLY what you're getting when you GO TO GERMANY AND DRINK BEER WHILE IN GERMANY. German brewers adhere to the Reinheitsgebot ("purity order") dating from 1516, to which the only allowed ingredients of beer are water (non-flouridated), hops and barley-malt. No BULL ****.

Now, if we just had a similar order for BEER and VITAMINS in the US, there would be a lot more healthier drunks around here. We should approve the Codex Alimentarius for vitamins AND the Codex Crapula for beer!

Pee Es: Crapula is the Latin word meaning intoxicated/drunkedness, which can allow the Codex Crapula to be expanded to include herbs and plants in addition to beer.

[Bill Farnham]

Hi, is this the $10,000 to the last person to post thread?

I'll split it with anyone who can close this thread right now.


KJ

[myob]

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

Hi, is this the $10,000 to the last person to post thread?

I'll split it with anyone who can close this thread right now.


KJ

Show me the money, and I'll post something really nice that will get this whole thread deleted.

[ThomM]

Originally Posted by myob

Yes, the Germans do drink a LOT of dark beer. But the difference is you know EXACTLY what you're getting when you GO TO GERMANY AND DRINK BEER WHILE IN GERMANY. German brewers adhere to the Reinheitsgebot ("purity order") dating from 1516, to which the only allowed ingredients of beer are water (non-flouridated), hops and barley-malt. No BULL ****.

Now, if we just had a similar order for BEER and VITAMINS in the US, there would be a lot more healthier drunks around here. We should approve the Codex Alimentarius for vitamins AND the Codex Crapula for beer!

Pee Es: Crapula is the Latin word meaning intoxicated/drunkedness, which can allow the Codex Crapula to be expanded to include herbs and plants in addition to beer.

I know Paul, I was eluding to the brain damage and delusions of conspiracy as a joke.
On my fathers side I am only the second generation to be born in America his parents and ancestors where from Flansburg, Germany. It's the northern most city in Germany on the border with Norway.
I've drank some real German dark beer in my day

[Teriss]

I have to agree with ViKuna - I live in Canada and recently the Conservative (similar to republican party) tried to enact a law which would make everything including food a drug, so they could control it, enforce laws and prohibit the use of : food. Their plan was to take control of the food supply which if you read between the lines -folks...meant they could arrest you for eating blueberries. This is a fact - and they would control all supplements, vitamins, herbs and yes garlic.

The law did not pass obviously - or I would have moved out of the country. But, slowly and surely your "rights" are being carved up into pieces. I am glad that this thread is here- because I am in the nutrition and supplement business.

Another item you may wish to write to your congressman -better yet -get on the phone is the FDA which is passing a law to classify your own stem cells as a drug. Why? So then can control and allow the drug companies to make some big cash on that too. Think about it- you need stem cell therapy to save your life, your stem cells are taken out of your body, processed and multiplied (the repair cells) and returned to your body and the FDA takes ownership once they leave your body.
This brings up all kinds of legal angles to sue the FDA over- and I belong to a group of doctors, scientists and researchers -that are doing just that.

Had enough? Not yet. What about the fact that the H1N1 vaccine will be forced on you and your kids...in a matter of months. It is untested, unproved, and full of bacteria and mercury, which causes brain damage. The US govt. just bought 1 billion dollars worth of the stuff....anyone want a jab? Oh yes...and they also enacted a law that would prevent you from suing the govt. or the drug company for any damages you incurred getting your piggy shot. Nice work fellas. Believe it, its happening.

[myob]

Originally Posted by ThomM

I know Paul, I was eluding to the brain damage and delusions of conspiracy as a joke.
On my fathers side I am only the second generation to be born in America his parents and ancestors where from Flansburg, Germany. It's the northern most city in Germany on the border with Norway.
I've drank some real German dark beer in my day

Do you mean Flensburg, on the border with Denmark? If so, our ancestors could have been drinking buddies! I am third generation from immigrants from Krusa, Denmark. It's just a few miles north of Flensburg, Germany. My greatfather brewed the family beer using his old world recipe. I also was stationed at Ramstein Air Force Base, Germany in the 1980's as a C130 cargo plane pilot. That's when I really learned about the finest beer in the world - better even than my family recipe.

[Bill Farnham]

When I was a kid the government trucks would come down the street in an attempt to eradicate every living insect.

The truck had a huge fan which would blow DDT into the trees.

They actually thought, at the time, that all insects were a nuisance and the world would be a better place without them.

Believe it or not, this proved to be a fallacy. No ****! But for a time those idiots spent millions on this ill-conceived idea and altered the natural balance of the food chain killing or poisoning everything farther up the chain.

It's a good thing smarter heads prevailed. But that was a long time ago and now the smarter heads have all figuered out it's better to go where the money is than try to do the right thing.

What's really amazing, given the power of the internet, is that you can have one million pages expressing correct views on why these lunitic government ideas are not only bad, but dangerous in the long run, and yet a liittle money thrown at these elected numbskulls is all it takes to get bad laws enacted.

If only words were money...

KJ

[TimPhelan]

OK, this is where you need to go into further detail about the "reading between the lines" because that is where most of this BS comes from. It isn't really true that someone could have been arrested if they decided to eat blueberries if that bill passed, is it? This is not a fact. This is just a scare tactic isn't it? No "reading between the lines" or other BS. Just the facts ma'am.

Originally Posted by Teriss

Their plan was to take control of the food supply which if you read between the lines -folks...meant they could arrest you for eating blueberries. This is a fact.

[HeySal]

Teriss - C-51 was a decoy. 6 - I believe C-6? is going on now and you need to jump on it real fast because Canadians are all taking a break thinking they are safe because C-51 fell through, and not enough of them know about 6. You guys might still take a royal raping of your rights very soon.

Actually until the FDA is abolished in favor of an independent agency that doesn't allow funding to come from sources which are being regulated, we are screwed.

Once again -- when you get crooks in power, they will convene and conspire. If there are no conspiracies going on - where did the Trillions that are missing go? If you can believe trillions lost amount to nothing more that "oops" - YOU are nuts.

On my fathers side I am only the second generation to be born in America his parents and ancestors where from Flansburg, Germany. It's the northern most city in Germany on the border with Norway. I've drank some real German dark beer in my time.

Not quite a conspiracy - but hell of an explanation, guy.

I lived in Germany for a year and half in the early 70's and only tasted the beer a few times - don't like beer. But I will say their wines are pretty clean.

[HeySal]

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

OK, this is where you need to go into further detail about the "reading between the lines" because that is where most of this BS comes from. It isn't really true that someone could have been arrested if they decided to eat blueberries if that bill passed, is it? This is not a fact. This is just a scare tactic isn't it? No "reading between the lines" or other BS. Just the facts ma'am.

Actually Tim, C-51 was the most frightening and blatantly controlling piece of legislation I have ever seen. Would have turned Canadian society into nothing but a big concentration camp. It was so bizarre that there was hardly even a fight needed to put it to bed. There is however, a new version out that has integrated some of C-51 into it. I haven't read 6 yet myself but the word is that it's not as blantantly bizarre but is still pretty unreasonably restrictive leaves a lot of gaps that will allow for them to work in Orwellian forms of food control later on. They were right about C-51 - so no telling what C-6 is about. I'll let the Canadians worry about that one.

[TimPhelan]

Sal, can you point to the part of the bill that said someone would be arrested for eating blueberries? Much appreciated for the info to come.

Originally Posted by HeySal

Actually Tim, C-51 was the most frightening and blatantly controlling piece of legislation I have ever seen. Would have turned Canadian society into nothing but a big concentration camp. It was so bizarre that there was hardly even a fight needed to put it to bed. There is however, a new version out that has integrated some of C-51 into it. I haven't read 6 yet myself but the word is that it's not as blantantly bizarre but is still pretty unreasonably restrictive leaves a lot of gaps that will allow for them to work in Orwellian forms of food control later on. They were right about C-51 - so no telling what C-6 is about. I'll let the Canadians worry about that one.

[ThomM]

Originally Posted by myob

Do you mean Flensburg, on the border with Denmark? If so, our ancestors could have been drinking buddies! I am third generation from immigrants from Krusa, Denmark. It's just a few miles north of Flensburg, Germany. My greatfather brewed the family beer using his old world recipe. I also was stationed at Ramstein Air Force Base, Germany in the 1980's as a C130 cargo plane pilot. That's when I really learned about the finest beer in the world - better even than my family recipe.

I always screw that up
Yes I did mean Flensburg and yes I did mean Denmark.

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by ThomM

I always screw that up
Yes I did mean Flensburg and yes I did mean Denmark.

One of my favorite anecdotes is how my uncle had me smuggle DANISH cigarettes into denmark. YEAH, you read right! They are taxed SO much in denmark that they cost TWICE what they do in Germany, and danish residents are only allowed like 2 PACKS! NON danish residents are allowed like a carton. Flensburg was where we went. They have signs all over saying "vi taler dansk"(we speak danish), so I guess they get a LOT of business from smugglers!

Steve

[myob]

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

... can you point to the part of the bill that said someone would be arrested for eating blueberries? Much appreciated for the info to come.

Here you go. Blueberries may be considered to be a medicine because of their extraordinary health benefits:
Medicinal and Health Benefits of Blueberries

While it is NOT in the Codex per se, but by extraction and interpretation it can be said that ANYTHING that is ingested for the purpose of good health may be considered to be a drug and requires a prescription. The ''Father of Medicine'' Hyppocrates said it in 400 bc. ''Let food be thy medicine and let medicine be thy food''. He laid the foundation for health food to be illegal without a prescription. This is a global conspiracy and has been planned far longer than anyone ever imagined. Hope this helps.

[TimPhelan]

Oh yeah. It helps. LOL.

Originally Posted by myob

Hope this helps.

[HeySal]

Blueberries? I don't remember being overtly stated. Garlic was specifically mentioned. There were some omissions of guidelines that were pretty scary in what they would allow to be done at any authorities whims and blueberries or anything else could have become suspect. I'd have to go back over the thing myself to grab the real offensive parts that were overtly stated, and then outline what omissions made the bill even more ominous than it would look in the reading.
Frankly - I don't really feel like doing that much work on this issue right now. The bill is dead so it doesn't matter.
I would imagine what C-6 contains is a lot of the same orientation with some edits that will not allow for some nutcase dictator wanna be to use it absurdly - and probably omits the article illegalizing garlic as well as police ability to just walk in and raid a home garden and throw people in jail.
As I said earlier - we have enough problems in my own country to worry about - I'll let the Canadians worry about C-6. They were pretty upset about C-51, but that was dropped like a stone, so who cares what it said. When the leaders treat it like hot coals, it must have been pretty gruesome, eh?

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by ThomM

I know Paul, I was eluding to the brain damage and delusions of conspiracy as a joke.
On my fathers side I am only the second generation to be born in America his parents and ancestors where from Flansburg, Germany. It's the northern most city in Germany on the border with Norway.
I've drank some real German dark beer in my day

Well, I kind of left you guys to your own to see where in the world this thread would go.

I initiated it, said my piece and you are doing WHAT now Does not matter how far north you go in Germany, it does not touch Norway, not by a long shot. (Could have, if Hitler had his ways but no, that is absolutelt NOT true).

This just confirms that americans have NO CLUE about geography, please google search world map.

Keep at it, some of you are a real trip >

(Like crawling on the kitchen floor, counting the little paint splashes in the design pattern for a neutral linoleum flooring, and that little splash actually MOVES....). Some heavy duty LSD...

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by Teriss

I have to agree with ViKuna - I live in Canada and recently the Conservative (similar to republican party) tried to enact a law which would make everything including food a drug, so they could control it, enforce laws and prohibit the use of : food. Their plan was to take control of the food supply which if you read between the lines -folks...meant they could arrest you for eating blueberries. This is a fact - and they would control all supplements, vitamins, herbs and yes garlic.

The law did not pass obviously - or I would have moved out of the country. But, slowly and surely your "rights" are being carved up into pieces. I am glad that this thread is here- because I am in the nutrition and supplement business.

Another item you may wish to write to your congressman -better yet -get on the phone is the FDA which is passing a law to classify your own stem cells as a drug. Why? So then can control and allow the drug companies to make some big cash on that too. Think about it- you need stem cell therapy to save your life, your stem cells are taken out of your body, processed and multiplied (the repair cells) and returned to your body and the FDA takes ownership once they leave your body.
This brings up all kinds of legal angles to sue the FDA over- and I belong to a group of doctors, scientists and researchers -that are doing just that.

Had enough? Not yet. What about the fact that the H1N1 vaccine will be forced on you and your kids...in a matter of months. It is untested, unproved, and full of bacteria and mercury, which causes brain damage. The US govt. just bought 1 billion dollars worth of the stuff....anyone want a jab? Oh yes...and they also enacted a law that would prevent you from suing the govt. or the drug company for any damages you incurred getting your piggy shot. Nice work fellas. Believe it, its happening.

Would not doubt it for a minute, we are all LOST unless you at least try to step up. And if you do, you might end up like "clockwork orange" (google it).

Still can't get over THAT one!

[ThomM]

This just confirms that americans have NO CLUE about geography, please google search world map.

Maybe you should of read my post after that.
As I said there I often make that mistake.
It has nothing to do with geography, and everything to do with memory.
If you're confirming Americans have no clue about geography from me not remembering something correctly that I haven't thought about in more years then I've been a member here then maybe you're the one with NO CLUE.

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by myob

Here you go. Blueberries may be considered to be a medicine because of their extraordinary health benefits:
Medicinal and Health Benefits of Blueberries

While it is NOT in the Codex per se, but by extraction and interpretation it can be said that ANYTHING that is ingested for the purpose of good health may be considered to be a drug and requires a prescription. The ''Father of Medicine'' Hyppocrates said it in 400 bc. ''Let food be thy medicine and let medicine be thy food''. He laid the foundation for health food to be illegal without a prescription. This is a global conspiracy and has been planned far longer than anyone ever imagined. Hope this helps.

See, I was right all the way.


Let me give you an example (relating to blueberries).

Where I was born and grew up, was Sweden. They have a WONDERFUL law there that lets ANYONE go out in the woods, pick blueberries, lingon berries, chanterrells, you name it, FOR FREE. Even if the land belongs to somebody else, you can still do it.

Some 20+ something years, it was not a problem, Heck, you could even pitch a tent and camp out on somebody else's property for 24 hours, provided you did NOT create a mess and littered all over it.

Well, now that Sweden is part of the common market, things have changed. Ther are no borders between participating countries, and for some reason, other countries come and RAPE the woods of Sweden, for about the full season of 2 months.

Now, with CODEX, I guess NOBODY will touch the blueberries, lol .

BTW, ANY blueberry that I have ever touched in the u.s. tastes as good as the Swedish ones.

[myob]

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

See, I was right all the way.

Yes, you are right. We could also all be forced to get a prescription for eating chocolate, or face arrest and imprisonment, because chocolate has many health and medicinal benefits:

Chocolate protects against heart disease. Two kinds of polyphenols found in chocolate, flavanols and flavonoids, protect the body against cardiovascular disease
Increased brain power.
Decreasing risk of dementia and stroke.
Antidepressant effects.
Psychological well-being. A study with Finnish men revealed that chocolate preference in old age was linked with better health and psychological well-being.
Improvement in type 2 diabetes. Supplementation with dark chocolate results in increased beta cell function and improved insulin sensitivity.
Improved cholesterol levels. Cocoa powder, as a hot beverage twice a day, decreased LDL (bad) cholesterol and increased HDL (good) cholesterol.
Antibiotic / antimicrobial properties. Cocoa polyphenols have even shown some antimicrobial activity.
Thinner blood and improved blood flow. Cocoa flavanols thin the blood by inhibiting platelet aggregation, the stickiness of blood cells that creates clots.
As a sports recovery drink. A study with athletes compared chocolate milk, electrolyte drink and carbohydrate-replacement drink. Chocolate milk was similarly effective to electrolyte drink when consumed between sessions of strenuous exercise.
Decreased blood pressure.
Decreased risk of death.

The Health Benefits of Chocolate

When Codex passes, no one will be allowed to buy a chocolate candy bar without a prescription.

[HeySal]

Gee Paul - if that happens what are they going to do with all those little slave kids they have picking and sorting the beans?

I'm sure it should be government regulated though - I heard, with no scientific evidence to back up the statement, that chocolate can CURE hunger.

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by ThomM

Maybe you should of read my post after that.
As I said there I often make that mistake.
It has nothing to do with geography, and everything to do with memory.
If you're confirming Americans have no clue about geography from me not remembering something correctly that I haven't thought about in more years then I've been a member here then maybe you're the one with NO CLUE.

Go figure, there's an answer for everything and when I'm right I'm wrong and when I'm wrong I'm right It seems like when ever you feel like it, just turn your "coat". Typical. Yeah, I have NO CLUE what else you will accuse me with...

[ThomM]

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

Go figure, there's an answer for everything and when I'm right I'm wrong and when I'm wrong I'm right It seems like when ever you feel like it, just turn your "coat". Typical. Yeah, I have NO CLUE what else you will accuse me with...

Well coming from someone who repeatedly referenced a particular website and then denied doing it, I could really care less what you think or what you have to say.

Michael, I did not post wnd.com links, that was somebody else. Have a nice day! BTW, I had never heard of wnd before but did check it out. Weird site, to say the least, lol.

Tim, here's the poster, not me. As I previously said, not me. (And if you would have back tracked the thread, you would have found it too). Have a great day, don't forget to do your research before you accuse somebody else of doing something.

Gosh, YOU ARE RIGHT, lol. Never did notice that, thank you for correcting me ! All along, it was ME and I did not even realize it, sorry guys, At least my 'puter' wasn't hi-jacked, lol.

So it's alright for you to make a mistake, but if someone else does they don't have a clue?
Kinda gives you the credibility of a waffle doesn't it.

[myob]

Originally Posted by HeySal

Gee Paul - if that happens what are they going to do with all those little slave kids they have picking and sorting the beans?

I'm sure it should be government regulated though - I heard, with no scientific evidence to back up the statement, that chocolate can CURE hunger.

When we see the demise of Big Chocolate, there will be Big Pharma to take up the slack. Don't worry about the little slave kids, there will be plenty of work for them picking and sorting government-regulated opium poppy seeds when Codex Alimentarius becomes the law of the land. It is a proven scientific fact that opium cures hunger and other annoying ailments. Many of those little slave bastards may also be employed in the illicit smuggling of outlawed cacao beans to satisfy the hunger pangs of chocolate lovers.

[MikeAmbrosio]

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

This just confirms that americans have NO CLUE about geography, please google search world map.

Making a generalized statement like that is bound to annoy some folks, and you wonder why?

Can you really be that clueless? Credibility of a waffle seems to fit in your case.

[houseofsparks]

Even the name scares me.But intestingly enough Obama has just appointed to ex Monsanto officials to oversee your healthcare system.Some hope of your nations health improving then!

[houseofsparks]

Ron Paul is a 33 degree mason.I have seen him give a masonic handshake to one of the tv presenters - it think it was NBC.And, while I'm at it.Everyone of the astronauts that landed on the moon was also a 33 mason - so there.

[myob]

Originally Posted by houseofsparks

Ron Paul is a 33 degree mason.I have seen him give a masonic handshake to one of the tv presenters - it think it was NBC.And, while I'm at it.Everyone of the astronauts that landed on the moon was also a 33 mason - so there.

Exactly 33 minutes after landing on the moon, the astronauts did a Scottish Rite ceremonial dance. Also, the author of Pinocchio, Carlo Collodi, was a 33 mason. As was one of the founders of the Boy Scouts and Camp Fire Girls, Daniel Beard. Be afraid, be very very afraid.

[ctaylordill]

Originally Posted by Adrian Cooper

It is now a criminal offence to commercially grow organic food in the US - the chemical companies were losing too much money on healthy eating, and made sure the politicians they "support" pushed the legislation through.

Grow your own food.

That is outrageous. I work for a health food store. we used to buy organic produce from local farmers, but not anymore. We purchase from a local company, but when I look at the invoices, all I see are foreign countries besides the produce items

[ctaylordill]

I live in Georgia and work in a local health store. I see many supplements that used to work really well being taking away from the shelves. The substitutes don't work very well; therefore, people are not getting the same authentic quality they used to get.

[myob]

Originally Posted by ctaylordill

I live in Georgia and work in a local health store. I see many supplements that used to work really well being taking away from the shelves. The substitutes don't work very well; therefore, people are not getting the same authentic quality they used to get.

I own a health food store. We sell high quality food supplements, although they are expensive. Our customers will always be able to obtain consistent high quality as they have for more than 20 years. Selling authentic quality vs cheap substitutes is nothing more than a business decision, and selling products based on price rather than value is short-sighted. You should tell your bean counters to provide better quality products that really do work; this will pay off in the long run.

[HeySal]

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Credibility of a waffle seems to fit in your case.

HEY - you and Thom knock that crap off. I LOVE waffles - big fluffy buckwheat waffles with gobs of real butter and real maple syrup. No additives, no fake ingredients. SO just stop knocking waffles. If made right they have loads of credibility.

HEY 2 -- what the heck is half the world thinking? You are making me ashamed to be a conspiracy theorist. Masons and illuminati are not the same as Bilderbergs ya know. Want to go after someone -get those fat ass money grubbing murderers out of the way and you will get some truth running through again.

ADRIAN - Are you telling us they just passed HR 875? Holy Crap. And people are worried about freaking Masons?

[ThomM]

HEY - you and Thom knock that crap off. I LOVE waffles - big fluffy buckwheat waffles with gobs of real butter and real maple syrup. No additives, no fake ingredients. SO just stop knocking waffles. If made right they have loads of credibility.

You're right Sal.
I wrote that as soon as I got up this morning, before my first coffee, cig, or joint.
After I got to work and was well fortified on the 3 I thought about what I had said.
I apologize to waffles everywhere, your only crime is tasting soooooo good.

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by myob

I own a health food store. We sell high quality food supplements, although they are expensive. Our customers will always be able to obtain consistent high quality as they have for more than 20 years. Selling authentic quality vs cheap substitutes is nothing more than a business decision, and selling products based on price rather than value is short-sighted. You should tell your bean counters to provide better quality products that really do work; this will pay off in the long run.

Oh REEEEEELY!? They stopped selling tryptophan, and sleeping pills. So whta did I do? NOTHING! THEY LOST BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!! Did their costs REALLY go down? COSTS REALLY equal expenses-related income. Their expenses went down, SURE! Their related income ALSO went down! They probably paid MORE for those pills even if they cost a TENTH of what they did.

[MikeAmbrosio]

Originally Posted by HeySal

HEY - you and Thom knock that crap off. I LOVE waffles - big fluffy buckwheat waffles with gobs of real butter and real maple syrup. No additives, no fake ingredients. SO just stop knocking waffles. If made right they have loads of credibility.

What was I thinking anyway...I just spent 7 mornings devouring wonderful Mickey Mouse waffles at Disney.

MMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............

[myob]

Originally Posted by Adrian Cooper

It is now a criminal offence to commercially grow organic food in the US - the chemical companies were losing too much money on healthy eating, and made sure the politicians they "support" pushed the legislation through.

Grow your own food.

Where have you read that growing organic food is a criminal offence? LOL! I have been "illegally" selling organic produce in my health food store for more than 20 years from certified local organic farmers and from the northwest. And, despite the persistence of these rumors, I will continue into 2010 and beyond. To further show my criminality, I sell high quality all-natural food supplements. Never been thrown in jail yet. Perhaps just never got caught?

BTW: I enjoy my waffles made from organically grown whole wheat, hot butter, maple syrup, and topped with fresh blueberries. I was born to be an all-natural wild criminal!

[HeySal]

Originally Posted by myob

I own a health food store. We sell high quality food supplements, although they are expensive. Our customers will always be able to obtain consistent high quality as they have for more than 20 years. Selling authentic quality vs cheap substitutes is nothing more than a business decision, and selling products based on price rather than value is short-sighted. You should tell your bean counters to provide better quality products that really do work; this will pay off in the long run.

My you are one hot capitalist Paul. I've never met such a diversified business guy. Keep going - the Bilderbergs will discover you yet.

As long as you own a health food store - would you be so kind as to tell me:
Are elligic acid caps no longer allowed on the market or are stores out here just not carrying them for some reason any more?

[myob]

Originally Posted by HeySal

My you are one hot capitalist Paul. I've never met such a diversified business guy. Keep going - the Bilderbergs will discover you yet.

As long as you own a health food store - would you be so kind as to tell me:
Are elligic acid caps no longer allowed on the market or are stores out here just not carrying them for some reason any more?

You mean ellagic acid caps. I would never sell that crap. It is promoted as a fake cancer cure and should be avoided as it is just a waste of money. Intestinal stomach acid destroys almost all of it before it can even be absorbed. You could get more holistic and polyphenol antioxidant benefits by eating raspberries, strawberries, cranberries, walnuts, pecans, pomegranates along with a sensible diet. In plants ellagic acid is present in the form of ellagitannin, which is ellagic acid bound to a sugar molecule. This prevents its breakup in the intestinal tract.

It is because of this type of false information we need more regulation in the health food industry. Hopefully the Codex will help thin out purveyors of quakery and snake oil marketers. Sellers of dietary supplements have been warned by the Food and Drug Administration for promoting ellagic acid with claims that violate the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. That is probably why you don't see it much anymore, although it actually still is available. Being the capitalist that I am, however, I will break my code of non-quakery and get you some ellagic acid caps if you still insist.

[HeySal]

Same way plant benefits are bastardized by pharmecueticals, Paul - but I don't see any shot at those being more regulated because of the pharms ownership of our medical complex.

FYI - I just wondered if they were illegalized. Actually I do a 4 day binge on raspberries every year. At the right doses it takes 48 hours to atrophy a tumor and 72 hours to kill it, but you have to pound em down, too. A little dab won't do ya. Ellagic acid is NOT a scam on it's own - it annihilates cancer cells in a petre dish. So does cucurium but I always get that from the natural source as well and don't know if there ever were supplements in the first place.

I understand what you are saying in principle about regulation. I just think they should concentrating on regulating the stuff that is actually killing people before bothering with the stuff that just isn't as effective as people want to believe.

BTW - I don't believe there are any other food sources for ellagic acid other than
berries. Cranberries etc have other good nutrients, but it's the raspberries, black berries, and strawberries (to a lesser extent) that have ellagic. I've never seen
different anywhere.

[myob]

Originally Posted by HeySal

Ellagic acid is NOT a scam on it's own - it annihilates cancer cells in a petre dish. ... I understand what you are saying in principle about regulation. I just think they should concentrating on regulating the stuff that is actually killing people before bothering with the stuff that just isn't as effective as people want to believe.

You are partially right, Sal. Ellagic acid absolutely wipes out cancer cells - in a petre dish, but not so effectively in the human body. Almost all of it gets destroyed by the digestive process before having a chance of being absorbed. The marketing of ellagic acid is a scam. But selling or using it is NOT illegal per se. It's just illegal to promote ellagic acid as a cancer cure. Like so many other products that work well in a petre dish, unscrupulous snake oil marketers take that and rip off unsuspecting consumers using that kind of laboratory "research" data. And here is why this can be dangerous even though it won't hurt you by taking it. It is killing people because they tend to rely more on this type BS rather than seeking proper medical treatment. This is just but one example of how regulation will not only save consumers billions of dollars wasted on useless "remedies", but will also save lives. I promote living a healthy lifestyle with a balanced diet, sensible nutrition, taking food supplements, exercise, etc. But when something goes wrong, seek appropriate medical care rather than a self-administered cure no matter how "natural" it may seem.