Selling nutrition? Will Codex Alimentarius shut you down 2010?

[Vikuna2009+]

YouTube - Codex Alimentarius P1

Basically, starting January 1, 2010, your vitamins will be deluted down to 1/10 strenght to what they are now. If you want the full version, you are going to need a prescription with a doctor and pay 10 times as much.

Herbs are going down the drain as well but I'm not sure when. Same with garlic, they already tried to make it illegal in Canada but did not pass (yet).

Want more gloom? Health Freedom Threats: Codex, FDA, Vaccinations, GMOs :: HealthFreedomUSA.org

Millions of people are estimated to die because they are not going to be able to afford it.

So, if you are in the nutrition field, what are you going to do? This is REALLY scary, to say the least. If you go into healthfreedomusa, you can vote and say no, whatever that will do...

Best of luck, Eva

[tj]

How about enjoying natural fruit and vitamin's instead of industrial massproduced artificial stuff?

"Millions of people are estimated to die because they are not going to be able to afford it. ..."

From where do you get this number?

Timo

[balric]

I am surprised to see this here but glad someone is getting the information out.

[Vikuna2009+]

I hear ya, so, tell me, where do you buy all that nutritional fruits and veggies, in a supermarket??? If you look further into it, you will find your answers. Personally, I got at least a good 20 hours researching this "stuff". Codex A that is. Not to talk about of countless of other hours doing other research.

My point is: This is REAL and if you ARE into making money selling ANYTHING nutrisious, your business is about to CRASH. That is, if this will actually happen (which I'm pretty sure it is, after all, this conspiracy has been built for MANY years and there are some major heavy-hitters behind it).

A head of lettuce or a shiny apple (shine because it has been sprayed with toxins) is NOT going to keep you healthy. And, there are so many ways that you can no longer get ANY nutrition that is sufficient enough to keep you healthy.

I guess you never ever taken a vitamin supplement or anything else, can I please have your recipe !

[Michael Oksa]

People will believe anything.

Oh, and this should be in the Off-Topic section.

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by balric

I am surprised to see this here but glad someone is getting the information out.

Honestly, I've been wanting to post this here for a long time but been kind of worried about it. We are not talking about some small time punks here and if you do not see any more threads from me, they paid me a visit .

We are talking about BILLIONS here, and then triple that. The common man/woman is the one that will pay the price, not just in America but world-wide.

Google the heck out of it and if you have some spare cash, stock up on essentials while you still have time. It's coming....

No, this is not to scare the h... out of you (but it should), merely an attempt to informe ppl that if you make a living off of nutrition, you need to have a back-up plan.

[Michael Oksa]

It makes me laugh, but it doesn't scare me.

I admit, I only watched the first 2:40, but that was enough. So, it's a vast anti-nutrition conspiracy?

Okay. Whatever.

Geez! You know, the video doesn't scare me, but that fact that people buy into that garbage DOES.

[MichaelHiles]

rofl... NAIS was going to take my chickens and cows too...

[Istvan Horvath]

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

Same with garlic, they already tried to make it illegal in Canada but did not pass (yet).

While I admit there are many crazy regulations in Canada, so nothing would surprise me... how comes that as a Canadian I've never heard about this attempt to ban it and I just bought some very fine garlic on Thursday when I did my weekly shopping?

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

People will believe anything.

Oh, and this should be in the Off-Topic section.

I agree, to a certain extent. However, how is health, business and making money supposed to be and Off-topic question and also my concern for those who ARE in this business module who might not have any idea about this?

This IS coming and if you support your family on this, time to re-group. Then again, if you have medical problems, by informing you all to stock up, will save you TONS of $.

Best to you, Eva

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by MichaelHiles

rofl... NAIS was going to take my chickens and cows too...

Gosh, who knows.... How do you feed them? Did some research into that too. Google it, you might be surprised...

[Michael Oksa]

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

I agree, to a certain extent. However, how is health, business and making money supposed to be and Off-topic question and also my concern for those who ARE in this business module who might not have any idea about this?

This IS coming and if you support your family on this, time to re-group. Then again, if you have medical problems, by informing you all to stock up, will save you TONS of $.

Best to you, Eva

Sorry, I don't buy into the conspiracy theory BS. But I know that no amount of FACTUAL EVIDENCE will ever make a conspiracy theorist admit the truth (not you specifcally, but in general).

Also, I don't appreciate the common conspiracy tactic of "if you care about your family". That tactic is nothing more than a poor attempt at making an emotional argument. Do you know what type of people make emotional arguments? Those without facts.

Anyway, if you want to worry your precious little heart about this, I won't stop you, but I don't have time...because...I am going into the kitchen to get a big piece of cake and a large bowl of ice cream.

All the best,
Michael

p.s. This belongs entirely in the Off-Topic section. The video has nothing to do with making money; unless it's making money for the site being promoted by the video.

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Sorry, I don't buy into the conspiracy theory BS. But I know that no amount of FACTUAL EVIDENCE will ever make a conspiracy theorist admit the truth (not you specifcally, but in general).

Also, I don't appreciate the common conspiracy tactic of "if you care about your family". That tactic is nothing more than a poor attempt at making an emotional argument. Do you know what type of people make emotional arguments? Those without facts.

Anyway, if you want to worry your precious little heart about this, I won't stop you, but I don't have time...because...I am going into the kitchen to get a big piece of cake and a large bowl of ice cream.

All the best,
Michael

p.s. This belongs entirely in the Off-Topic section. The video has nothing to do with making money; unless it's making money for the site being promoted by the video.

Duly noted, enjoy your cake and icecream .

[MichaelHiles]

And Art Bell told me that a foil hat would keep the rays from affecting my brain too. But since I posted this, I will probably end up in a REX-84 concentration camp.

The chemtrails... the chemtrails....

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by MichaelHiles

And Art Bell told me that a foil hat would keep the rays from affecting my brain too. But since I posted this, I will probably end up in a REX-84 concentration camp.

The chemtrails... the chemtrails....

Hilarious , what brand of foil are you using

[Michael Oksa]

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

Duly noted, enjoy your cake and icecream .

Thank you, Eva. I will.

[Vikuna2009+]

SERIOUSLY, you do not belive me? Man, at least spend 10 minutes of your life to check this out. I'm NOT making this up and I have no way of monetizing this, it was just supposed to be an informational post about what is coming.

I'm not here to create controversy, heck, I am too grateful for all the good advise that I have gotten for free (and yes, I did join the war room, lol).

Making a joke out of this makes me sick, all I wanted to do is to help you. Well, I guess you do not want it.

Best of luck, Eva

[John Rowe]

More idiocy below...
The FDA says a cherry is a drug.

[Istvan Horvath]

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

I guess you never ever taken a vitamin supplement or anything else, can I please have your recipe!

While this sentence wasn't addressed to me - it fully applies to me: have never ever taken vitamin supplement and stuff like that

So, here is my recipe:
1. Never eat junk food! (and fast food, which is synonym in my books)
2. Buy locally grown produce and natural meet. Or grow your own.
3. COOK at home as learned from grandma.
4. Have a glass of good wine or a beer after your tasty home-made meal.
5. Relax on your patio or deck while having that wine and enjoy a good cigar
6. Repeat it every day...

I am close to 60 and never had any medical issues. I also don't have this obsession of dying healthy

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Thank you, Eva. I will.

BTW, did you read the ingridients???????????????

High fructose corn syrup, DO NOT TOUCH, in the long run, it gives you cancer.

Sorry, I could not help myself but there are SOO many ppl that does not have a clue. I have a girlfriend of mine that stopped drinking soda and she lost almost 40 pounds, doing NOTHING else.

Was it good?

[Kevin Riley]

Although I can't see how any government could make garlic illegal, except for the government of Transylvania, I wouldn't put much past the morons in the Canadian government who put unreasonable regulations on nutritional supplements.

I need L-lysine myself to treat my occasional outbreaks of herpes simplex (no, not the other herpes) or canker sores. L-lysine works 100% for me every time. Yet, the Canadian govt decided in the 1980s that all amino acid supplements should be banned, as they "hadn't been proven effective as a neutraceutical". For years, I had to find ways to get L-lysine from the US, or suffer mouth sores.

So, those of you who scoff at this OP or snicker about conspiracy theories, you are putting too much trust in government. No, they do not have YOUR best interest at heart.

As for this being an Off Topic topic, I don't see that. I'm sure there's more than just a few Warriors making money by promoting these products.

[Istvan Horvath]

Originally Posted by Kevin Riley

Although I can't see how any government could make garlic illegal, except for the government of Transylvania

I am quite sure nobody will believe it... but I was born in Transylvania
Have you ever traveled on a bus or a train in that part of the world? If you did, you would understand why there are no more vampires: everybody stinks of garlic!

P.S. I have said that nothing would surprise me in regard of stupid Canadian regulations.

[Michael Oksa]

Yes, the high fructose corn syrup was tasty.

You should try it. STOP EATING OVERPRICED ORGANIC FOOD NOW - IT'S A RIPOFF!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I just couldn't help myself either.

For the record, I believe that you believe - it's the video I have a problem with.

I still think this belongs in the OT, but that's just my opinion.

[InternetMarketingIQ]

There is going to be more pressure for Nutritional Supplement manufacturers to prove their claims. It's that simple. It will put the smaller manufacturers out of business because they will not be able to afford the tests.

But vitamins are not going away. And real nutrition does not come in pill form.

People have gone nuts with Marketing... first we have Noni, then Mangosteen, then xango, no it's Acai Berry... what next? What fruit from what isolated part of the world can be isolated next? Most of these drinks are sugar water and mixes with other very common fruit juices like blueberries and apple.

People in Brazil and not living any longer than people in Japan. Do the Japanese east Acai? You eat what is local to where you live. It's just food.

The real problem is so many people are touting vitamins as cures when they are unable to prove the claims.

I'll still keep selling whatever is available and makes sense.

[Kevin Riley]

Originally Posted by The Pension Guy

If you did, you would understand why there are no more vampires: everybody stinks of garlic!

In Switzerland, my grandmother always hung a piece of garlic on a string around every family members neck, to ward off colds. It works! No on will come close enough to you to give you a cold.

[John Rowe]

Originally Posted by The Pension Guy

P.S. I have said that nothing would surprise me in regard of stupid Canadian regulations.

Coincidentally, I have owned StupidCanadians.com for some time... can't remember exactly what prompted the purchase... but I figured it was a safe bet as a domain.

[Justin Mandel]

I LOVE Canada and even looked into moving there, but THAT is really funny!!

Originally Posted by John Rowe

Coincidentally, I have owned StupidCanadians.com for some time... can't remember exactly what prompted the purchase... but I figured it was a safe bet as a domain.

[Nonny]

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

Basically, starting January 1, 2010, your vitamins will be deluted down to 1/10 strenght to what they are now. If you want the full version, you are going to need a prescription with a doctor and pay 10 times as much.

Unfortunately, you've been mislead by a scaremonger.

This is from the Codex Alimentarius FAQ
FAQs

R1: Will Codex make all nutritional supplements only available by prescription? Will Codex ban all supplements and make vitamins illegal the same way heroin is illegal? Will all natural herbs and alternative remedies be banned by Codex?
These are some of the many unfounded rumours about Codex that can be found on the internet. The Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements (CAC/GL 55-2005) adopted in 2005 do not contain provisions for the prescription or prohibition of any nutrient supplements. They do not deal with natural herbs and remedies at all (see also W1)

[snip]

R3: Why are there so many rumours about Codex on the internet? Where do they come from?
These rumours started some years back when one of Codex Committees began work on guidelines for vitamin and mineral supplements (see W1). They appear to be linked to advocacy groups who wrongly believe that Codex is a threat to freedom of choice especially concerning vitamin and mineral supplements (see also R1). These rumours are self-reproducing through chain email messages and other low-cost means of communication.

You can read the actual guidelines here:
Official Standards List

3.2.1 The minimum level of each vitamin and/or mineral contained in a vitamin and mineral food supplement per daily portion of consumption as suggested by the manufacturer should be 15% of the recommended daily intake as determined by FAO/WHO.

3.2.2 Maximum amounts of vitamins and minerals in vitamin and mineral food supplements per daily portion of consumption as recommended by the manufacturer shall be set, taking the following criteria into account:
(a) upper safe levels of vitamins and minerals established by scientific risk assessment based on generally accepted scientific data, taking into consideration, as appropriate, the varying degrees of sensitivity of different consumer groups;

(b) the daily intake of vitamins and minerals from other dietary sources.
When the maximum levels are set, due account may be taken of the reference intake values of vitamins and minerals for the population. This provision should not lead to setting of maximum levels that are solely based on recommended nutrient intakes (e. g. Population Reference Intake or Recommended Daily Allowance values).

I can't see how this will have any effect on the multivitamin that's currently on my shelf.

Herbs are going down the drain as well but I'm not sure when. Same with garlic, they already tried to make it illegal in Canada but did not pass (yet).

I assume you mean this legislation:
Bill C-6 - Canada Consumer Product Safety Act - Health Canada

It would only affect selling garlic and herbs as medicinal dietary supplements, not as foodstuffs. And those items can be sold if they have been tested for safety and no false health claims are made. And I personally think it's high time the laws because of poor quality control by supplement manufacturers, and partially because supplement sellers make false health claims about what the supplements can do while neglecting to inform people of the potential side effects.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...usxCQD98N93HG0

Yes, it will be more expensive. But people desperate for garlic can head to the supermarket and get theirs the old fashioned way.

[Michael Oksa]

Thanks Nonny and Katie,

But please stop trying to confuse them with facts.

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Good nutrition is for suckers!

[LB]

It always amazes me how trusting warriors on this board seem to be of government.

"Well, they're just trying to help but they're sort of incompetent"

When any sort of alternative info is brought forward it's not long before tinfoil hat comments are thrown about.

P.S. High fructose corn syrup often contains mercury. Study Finds High-Fructose Corn Syrup Contains Mercury - washingtonpost.com

But, I guess if we laugh about it then it's OK...there's my tinfoil talking again...

[Michael Oksa]

When did I mention any level of trust or distrust for the government. My points have nothing to do with the government, and everything to do with the person in the video.

You don't have to trust the government to recognize a nut when you see one.

Oh, and as far as HFCS goes, I couldn't give two rips about it. I like junk food, and I will continue to enjoy it. The only difference is I don't go around preaching telling everyone that what they should eat.

You eat what you want to eat, but let me eat what I want to eat.

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Tinfoil is for suckers!

[HeySal]

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

People will believe anything.

Oh, and this should be in the Off-Topic section.

With all the businesses that will be effected by this ruling it belongs right here because supplements are multi-billion dollar industry - and how many have niches that are directly effected by this ruling? Answer - whoever sells supplements or related products.

And yes - we can believe it - it was already passed and is slated to go into effect in the US in 2010 - already instated in some countries.

Actually the OT warriors DID fight it back in 2005 - mass emails websites. Where the heck was twitter when we needed it?

This is a nightmare situation with foods no longer able to provide proper nutrition because of soil depletion and pollution, pesticides, etc.

The figure I saw was not millions either, though. I saw billions. Who knows how many will succumb - especially with socialized med being installed.

But the point is - FIGHT IT - Last time they passed it at all, our gov got 50 million "not evens" and they still pranced over to Italy and signed the agreement.

If you value your body - sign.
If you have a supplement business you need to get active right away and really spread the word or you will be shut down in 2010. 50 million letters against didn't do it first time - You better be able to come up with a hundred or two million this time.

By the way Eva - thanks for the link - it's getting twittered.

[Michael Oksa]

A Shakespeare play comes to mind...

Much Ado About Nothing

[Istvan Horvath]

Hmmm...
I went to that article in the Washington Post and was struck by this sentence:

HFCS has replaced sugar as the sweetener in many beverages and foods such as breads, cereals, breakfast bars, lunch meats, yogurts, soups and condiments. On average, Americans consume about 12 teaspoons per day of HFCS...

The correct sentence would be: in many JUNK beverages and foods. Period.

I know HFCS is not good for human consumption. Just avoid it: don't drink soda ever. I don't and I don't miss it. As for the rest of the foods listed there - REAL bread, REAL cereals, REAL meat, REAL yougurt, REAL soups and condiments do not have sugar and don't require any sugar, so there is nothing to replace.

Believe me, I cook every day, so I know what I am talking about!

[Floyd Fisher]

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

Hilarious , what brand of foil are you using

I recommend Reynolds Aluminum myself.

Seriously, even if what they said was true, what is to stop someone from merely taking 10 tablets instead of one? Seems like a simple enough solution to me, how about you?

[HeySal]

Nonny - the Codex Ameritus is hundreds of pages and you picked out a few paragraphs? You better do some researching on the other 400 plus pages.

[entry]

Alot is suppose to be in the pipeline for 2010 apparently

[Kevin Riley]

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

You eat what you want to eat, but let me eat what I want to eat.

But you don't mind that the government would tell you what to eat? {Lots more to say here about this, but I will keep politics out of this in respect to the forum}

[Michael Oksa]

Originally Posted by Kevin Riley

But you don't mind that the government would tell you what to eat? {Lots more to say here about this, but I will keep politics out of this in respect to the forum}

Excellent point, Kevin; no way to disagree with that. I am just as concerned that the governmet tells us what we can't eat, or what they will eventually tell us not to eat.

I don't buy into the OP's video at all, but I guess I can see how any changes to the current system of things could have an impact on those of us who market nutrition-related products.

[Chris Faraday]

Politics, Religion... and now FOOD taboo... such strong feeling...
Forget your cholesteral count - although it looks high. It's about dollars...OURS!!!

This is alarming as health & wellness are billions on the table for IM'ers (internationally).
It may be the majors drug, agro & healthcare squeezing the little guy... Follow the money guys...It's not that hard.

Vitamins are harmful in the body (save your comments please) and it's become a gun slinging west. Pseudo health is hot - but not helpful. Lifestyle (and info products around natural lifestyle) still OK. The future is in whole foods, Superfoods & waters as well as pristine mineralized produce (therapeutic grade -beyond organic). Commercial meats, grains are a complete disaster. (hold the comments please) Do the research..
And besides...I saw it on Operah. : ) - Kidding...

What are the thoughts on the codex effect on whole food superfoods???
It's a "food" not a supplement - Comments here??

In the meantime learn all you can about hydration, alkalinity & minerals. It will literally save your life... And possibly your business.

[admin]

I absolutely 100% agree with the wine and the cigars. I believe they should be sold as life extension products.

[Jeff Williams]

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

YouTube - Codex Alimentarius P1

So, if you are in the nutrition field, what are you going to do?

Just an idea:

1. Use the Codex scare to convince customers to stock up now
2. Raise prices & offer discounts on bulk orders
3. Move into lateral niches people will be looking for should this occur (prepping, survival, homemade/black market supplements, hydroponics, gardening, etc.)

Couldn't hurt, right?

-Jeff

[Nonny]

Originally Posted by HeySal

Nonny - the Codex Ameritus is hundreds of pages and you picked out a few paragraphs? You better do some researching on the other 400 plus pages.

I could stay up all night But the section on vitamin supplements is only 3 pages long.

~ Peggy

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by Kevin Riley

Although I can't see how any government could make garlic illegal, except for the government of Transylvania, I wouldn't put much past the morons in the Canadian government who put unreasonable regulations on nutritional supplements.

I need L-lysine myself to treat my occasional outbreaks of herpes simplex (no, not the other herpes) or canker sores. L-lysine works 100% for me every time. Yet, the Canadian govt decided in the 1980s that all amino acid supplements should be banned, as they "hadn't been proven effective as a neutraceutical". For years, I had to find ways to get L-lysine from the US, or suffer mouth sores.

So, those of you who scoff at this OP or snicker about conspiracy theories, you are putting too much trust in government. No, they do not have YOUR best interest at heart.

As for this being an Off Topic topic, I don't see that. I'm sure there's more than just a few Warriors making money by promoting these products.

Thanks man, at least SOMEONE has a clue...

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by HeySal

With all the businesses that will be effected by this ruling it belongs right here because supplements are multi-billion dollar industry - and how many have niches that are directly effected by this ruling? Answer - whoever sells supplements or related products.

And yes - we can believe it - it was already passed and is slated to go into effect in the US in 2010 - already instated in some countries.

Actually the OT warriors DID fight it back in 2005 - mass emails websites. Where the heck was twitter when we needed it?

This is a nightmare situation with foods no longer able to provide proper nutrition because of soil depletion and pollution, pesticides, etc.

The figure I saw was not millions either, though. I saw billions. Who knows how many will succumb - especially with socialized med being installed.

But the point is - FIGHT IT - Last time they passed it at all, our gov got 50 million "not evens" and they still pranced over to Italy and signed the agreement.

If you value your body - sign.
If you have a supplement business you need to get active right away and really spread the word or you will be shut down in 2010. 50 million letters against didn't do it first time - You better be able to come up with a hundred or two million this time.

By the way Eva - thanks for the link - it's getting twittered.

Thanks Sal, you are a smart woman.

[Adrian Cooper]

Originally Posted by tj

How about enjoying natural fruit and vitamin's instead of industrial massproduced artificial stuff?

"Millions of people are estimated to die because they are not going to be able to afford it. ..."

From where do you get this number?

Timo

It is now a criminal offence to commercially grow organic food in the US - the chemical companies were losing too much money on healthy eating, and made sure the politicians they "support" pushed the legislation through.

Grow your own food.

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Yes, the high fructose corn syrup was tasty.

You should try it. STOP EATING OVERPRICED ORGANIC FOOD NOW - IT'S A RIPOFF!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I just couldn't help myself either.

For the record, I believe that you believe - it's the video I have a problem with.

I still think this belongs in the OT, but that's just my opinion.

Here is some info for you, might be worth a read !

Food manufacturers embraced High Fructose Corn Syrup because it is cheaper than sucrose (table sugar) and mixes well with a variety of products, including beverages, baked goods, jams and jellies, candies, and dairy products.

Excess fructose intake has been associated with adverse health effects such as:
metabolic syndrome, elevated triglyceride levels, hypertension, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, excess uric acid levels (associated with gout), and elevated levels of advanced glycation end products (linked with aging and complications of diabetes).

Excess fructose intake may contribute to hypertension. High blood pressure is a well-known comorbidity associated with obesity, hyperinsulinemia, and hyperlipidemia

Reasons why you should avoid HCFS:

• Travels straight to the liver where it is metabolized to fat. Fructose converts to fat more than any other sugar.
• Contributes to the development of diabetes and tissue damage. A recent study presented at the 2007 national meeting of the American Chemical Society found new evidence that soft drinks sweetened with high fructose corn syrup contains high levels of reactive compounds that have been shown by others to trigger cell and tissue damage that cause diabetes.
• Does not stimulate insulin production or enhance, leptin, a hormone involved in appetite regulation. Because insulin and leptin act as key signals in regulating how much food you eat, this suggests that dietary fructose may contribute to increased food consumption and weight gain.
• Contains no enzymes, vitamins or minerals; instead, it takes micro-nutrients from your body. The fructose in HFCS is different from the natural fructose you get when you eat a small piece of whole fruit, which contains the nutrients needed for your body to assimilate sugar.
• Increases your triglyceride and LDL (bad cholesterol) levels. Triglycerides are the chemical form of fat found in foods and in your body. Studies show that elevated blood levels of triglycerides increases your risk of heart disease.
• Is almost always made from genetically modified corn, which may increase your risk of developing corn food allergies. The problem with corn allergies are that once you have a corn allergy from GMO corn you will have an allergy to even healthy organic corn products.
• Corn based products such as HFCS have also been shown to increase osteoporosis, tooth decay, anemia and osteoarthritis.
• Fructose interacts with birth control pills and can elevate insulin levels in women on the pill.
• Fructose inhibits copper metabolism leading to a deficiency of copper, which can cause increased bone fragility, anemia, ischemic heart disease and defective connective tissue formation among others.

The list goes on and on.

[Vikuna2009+]

Here is a kernel of info for you...

YouTube - Terrified Corn Cobs

Hee, hee, hee.