Vikings Reverse Decision - Adrian Peterson Deactivated May Not Play Until Child Abuse Case Resolved

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AP was slated to play this week after sitting out only 1 game after his child abuse indictment --> but the Vikings have changed their mind and have placed him on the inactive list.

Castrol dropped Adrian yesterday, Radisson has dropped the Vikings, and many other very large NFL sponsors are grumbling.

Now we have a lot more talk of a 2013 child abuse incident on a different son. His attorney says the second incident never happened, but many sites are publishing transcripts of text messages that seem to say otherwise. Some Minnesota fans were outraged he was playing, and others were crying out that AP was getting special treatment compared to a couple of other players on the team with legal issues because he is a big star.

AP is is a real beast on the field, and he is a great running back, but he has got himself into a serious jam now.

The Minnesota Vikings have quickly changed their mind about having running back Adrian Peterson around the team after he was indicted last week in Montgomery County, Texas, on a count of reckless or negligent injury to a child.

In a statement released early Wednesday morning, the Vikings announced that Peterson has been placed on the NFL Exempt/Commissioner's permission list, effectively suspending him from all team activities until further notice. This means that Peterson will not play in the team's game against the New Orleans Saints this Sunday, and could not suit up until his case is resolved.

Adrian Peterson deactivated by Vikings again, won't play until child-abuse case is resolved | NJ.com
Here is an article regarding the 2013 incident.

Adrian Peterson, already facing felony charges in Texas for child abuse, was accused in a previous incident involving another son who was 4 years old, KHOU-TV in Houston has reported.

Adrian Peterson of Minnesota Vikings faced previous child-abuse accusation - ESPN
Here is an article on the 2014 incident.

The doctor told investigators that the boy had a number of lacerations on his thighs, along with bruise-like marks on his lower back and buttocks and cuts on his hand.
The police report says the doctor described some of the marks as open wounds and termed it “child abuse.” Another examiner agreed, calling the cuts “extensive.”

Adrian Peterson Indicted For Child Abuse, Turns Himself In « CBS Minnesota
Here is an article on the sponsors that are unhappy with the NFL over the way the NFL has handled the Rice and Peterson cases.

Anheuser-Busch, Pepsico, McDonald's, Campbell's Soup, Visa among sponsors criticizing NFL over Rice, Peterson scandals

Anheuser-Busch, Pepsico, McDonald's, Campbell's Soup, Visa among sponsors criticizing NFL over Rice, Peterson scandals - NY Daily News
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    Not a good couple of weeks for the NFL, that's for sure. Their reputation has to be taking a huge hit right now. I doubt it will affect viewership much, because football. But I wonder how the owners are going to be feeling about Goodell if anymore domestic incidents like this crop up (and especially if more allegations of light punishment by the NFL come along with them).
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    Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

    AP is is a real beast on the field,
    I would say that any man that beats his child to the point of splitting the skin of his scrotum, is a beast, off the field, too.

    I don't care if he is the greatest football player in the history of mankind, he's a poor excuse for a human being and 'beast' sounds just about right to me.

    Cheers. - Frank
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      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

      I would say that any man that beats his child to the point of splitting the skin of his scrotum, is a beast, off the field, too.
      I could have bet a very large sum of money that someone was going to call him a beast off of the field. I guess I would have been a very quick winner on that bet. Quite predictable, Frank.

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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

        I could have bet a very large sum of money that someone was going to call him a beast off of the field. I guess I would have been a very quick winner on that bet. Quite predictable, Frank.

        Cheers

        -don
        That's where the term, 'no-brainer' comes from, Don. I would question the morals of anyone that doesn't share my conclusion. Yes, I'm that judgmental.

        Additionally, I have zero regard for athletic prowess. I realize that sports in America is a secular religion, but it's simply one more way in which I am a devout atheist and proud of it.

        Cheers. - Frank
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          Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

          That's where the term, 'no-brainer' comes from, Don. I would question the morals of anyone that doesn't share my conclusion. Yes, I'm that judgmental.

          Additionally, I have zero regard for athletic prowess. I realize that sports in America is a secular religion, but it's simply one more way in which I am a devout atheist and proud of it.

          Cheers. - Frank
          I have been one of those that has wanted the NFL to clean up the league for a very long time, even prior to the Ray Lewis case. I believe the NFL has a lot of work to do.

          Cheers

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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Do you remember the judge who was on video beating his daughter It was big story for a while.

            South Texas judge in videotaped beating loses seat

            The judge was suspended for a while - then allowed to return to his job - and only this year failed to win re-election.

            And a more recent wife beating incident involving a judge:

            Opinion: Wife-beating is not a private matter - CNN.com

            He won't lose his job, either - even though this is isn't his first incident. He's a federal judge - a lifetime appointment.

            Last week, the whole matter was swept discreetly under the rug. Mark Fuller accepted "pretrial diversion" offered by Atlanta prosecutors. Under the deal, the judge has to have a drug and alcohol evaluation -- which, according to his lawyer, he doesn't need. ...Fuller will have to undergo a once-a-week family and domestic violence program for 24 weeks. The judge can undergo that counseling at a location close to home in Alabama.


            What happens after Fuller completes counseling? He plans to return to the bench, to pass judgment on others. As Fuller put it, "I also look forward to ... returning to full, active status in the Middle District of Alabama." (His cases have been temporarily reassigned. Taxpayers are paying him his full salary in the meantime.)
            I think we are at risk of punishing sports figures more severely than authority figures in this country. I also think this is a recent phenomenon as many of sports figures have been badly behaved in the past. It wasn't until the Michael Vick incident that players began to be held accountable for activities off the field. That incident was almost totally due to the huge wave of public opinion against Vick.

            Would be better to have ONE rule where players are suspended for issues like this UNTIL THEIR CASE has been adjudicated in court or authorities decide not to prosecute.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              Do you remember the judge who was on video beating his daughter It was big story for a while.

              South Texas judge in videotaped beating loses seat

              The judge was suspended for a while - then allowed to return to his job - and only this year failed to win re-election.

              And a more recent wife beating incident involving a judge:

              Opinion: Wife-beating is not a private matter - CNN.com

              He won't lose his job, either - even though this is isn't his first incident. He's a federal judge - a lifetime appointment.



              I think we are at risk of punishing sports figures more severely than authority figures in this country.

              Would be better to have ONE rule where players are suspended for issues like this UNTIL THEIR CASE has been adjudicated in court or authorities decide not to prosecute.
              A recent report came out, sorry I can't find it now, that shows college athletes are actually punished more severely than non-athlete students for the same offenses.

              And if players should be suspended while due process is played out, so should every other occupation. Accused of domestic violence of chile abuse? Suspend them from driving a truck or their sales job too, if you believe NFL players should be suspended for the same actions.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                I think we're reaching ridiculous heights with these changing puniishments and the sports authorities making statements to reports...blah blah.

                We're talking sports where brute strength is valued - aggressive behavior is part of the sport - and then we are judging these players more harshly than those in other professions. It's politically correct at the moment - but it's not right.

                If the law doesn't charge someone with a crime - then he's not guilty. Sports fans and abuse groups and league officials are not qualified to judge innocence or guilt.

                The Commissioner seems to be operating based on public sentiment rather than on a clear code of conduct and consequences.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  I think we're reaching ridiculous heights with these changing puniishments and the sports authorities making statements to reports...blah blah.

                  We're talking sports where brute strength is valued - aggressive behavior is part of the sport - and then we are judging these players more harshly than those in other professions. It's politically correct at the moment - but it's not right.

                  If the law doesn't charge someone with a crime - then he's not guilty. Sports fans and abuse groups and league officials are not qualified to judge innocence or guilt.

                  The Commissioner seems to be operating based on public sentiment rather than on a clear code of conduct and consequences.
                  And the Vikings are only reacting to the loss of corporate sponsors. They suspend Peterson for one game, then companies like Radison drop them, so all of a sudden the Vikings feel a "need" to suspend Peterson indefinately.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                    And the Vikings are only reacting to the loss of corporate sponsors. They suspend Peterson for one game, then companies like Radison drop them, so all of a sudden the Vikings feel a "need" to suspend Peterson indefinately.
                    Exactly. When they reinstated him after one game I said that was going to backfire on them. They aren't likely to win much, if any games at all this year, without him, and that became evident when they lost their first game. Their concern was winning first, until the backlash started.

                    Do you think they'll still go through with their plans to have Peterson grace the side of their new stadium?

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                      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                      Do you think they'll still go through with their plans to have Peterson grace the side of their new stadium?
                      Nope!!!!!! Maybe Fran?

                      Here is a piece written by the legend himself...Fran is a columnist these days for Pioneer Press and TwinCities.com.

                      Fran Tarkenton: Vikings' Adrian Peterson should not be playing
                      But wherever there is that much money and power, there also will be corruption. The NFL -- its owners and league officials -- have a long history of covering up and ignoring problems, from concussions to performance-enhancing drugs and, as we've all witnessed in the past few weeks, domestic violence.

                      Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson (and Greg Hardy, Ray McDonald and many others) are not the first NFL stars (or professional athletes) to face domestic violence charges. A USA Today study found that 1 in 40 NFL players is arrested in any given year, and 12 percent of player arrests since 2000 are for domestic violence.

                      Most of them have gotten off with little to no punishment from the league. But for the first time, we are really seeing this exposed, and the NFL is finally taking a stand to try to do the right thing.
                      Roger Goodell got it wrong with Rice when he first issued his two-game suspension. The Carolina Panthers got it wrong by playing Hardy in their first game. And the San Francisco 49ers continue to get it wrong by playing McDonald.

                      Fran Tarkenton: Vikings' Adrian Peterson should not be playing - TwinCities.com

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                      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                        Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                        Nope!!!!!! Maybe Fran?

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                        I meant that rhetorically (hard to tell that in print sometimes, I know), but it shows the risk of too close an association with a player. Just think if this had come out after the stadium was built. That would have been an expensive tribute to have it created and then removed.
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                          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                          I meant that rhetorically (hard to tell that in print sometimes, I know), but it shows the risk of too close an association with a player. Just think if this had come out after the stadium was built. That would have been an expensive tribute to have it created and then removed.
                          Yeah, I know. I also agree with you on association, for sure it is dangerous for a team to associate too closely with a single player.

                          That article by Tarkington is a pretty good read I think, he's not afraid to admit some of the wrongdoings of the league that made him famous. I know, he already got his so he does not have much to lose calling them out now.

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                    • Profile picture of the author discrat
                      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                      Exactly. When they reinstated him after one game I said that was going to backfire on them. They aren't likely to win much, if any games at all this year, without him, and that became evident when they lost their first game. Their concern was winning first, until the backlash started.
                      And Yes I bet that just crushes you and Packer Nation's little hearts, doesn't it ??
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                      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                        And Yes I bet that just crushes you and Packer Nation's little hearts, doesn't it ??
                        I'd rather the child abuse never happened and Peterson was playing.

                        But it did happen, so I don't think he should be playing. I'd say the same thing if he was a Packer. I take no pleasure in this at all.
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                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  If the law doesn't charge someone with a crime - then he's not guilty. Sports fans and abuse groups and league officials are not qualified to judge innocence or guilt.

                  The Commissioner seems to be operating based on public sentiment rather than on a clear code of conduct and consequences.
                  League officials and any other employer are qualified to enforce a code of conduct, and often make employees, players, etc. agree and sign one. They don't have to wait for law enforcement to say that the behavior crossed the line of what they will accept in their league. The fact is, they'll pretty much let anything slide as long as sponsorships and ticket sales aren't impacted.

                  We had the The Penn State child sex abuse scandal that officials covered up for as long as they possibly could, and now these two abuse cases. I could care less about the sports scandals that Pete Rose, Lance Armstrong, Alex Rodriguez and Tiger Woods were involved in, but when they assault, abuse and harm other people, I could care less if the only job they can ever get again is janitorial.

                  The fact that they wait until the public thinks that an elevator scene like we just saw or beating a kid with a switch and leaving welts and abrasions (around 20 some of them) on his body has crossed the line is reprehensible. They don't really care that these guys did this. If the public were silent, there wouldn't do anything more than maybe one sit out of a game. They are only punishing because they lose sponsorships and money if they let these guys get away with that when the public outcry starts.

                  I particularly don't value sports prowess, or aggression, or brute strength, especially when it is used to harm others deliberately.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

      I would say that any man that beats his child to the point of splitting the skin of his scrotum, is a beast, off the field, too.

      Cheers. - Frank
      Really ?? I have not kept up with a lot of this ! Well, next time I see Adrian I will give a quick kick to his sack. See how he likes it What a SOB !!
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        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Really ?? I have not kept up with a lot of this ! Well, next time I see Adrian I will give a quick kick to his sack. See how he likes it What a SOB !!
        Yeah, the reports are terrible. He whipped his young son with a tree branch.

        Peterson’s son lives in Minnesota with his mother. The boy traveled to Texas in May to visit with Peterson. The boy’s mother noticed fresh injuries on her son’s back, buttocks, legs and scrotum after Peterson returned him to her. A week later she took the child to a doctor who notified Houston police of a possible child abuse case.

        Peterson’s attorney, Rusty Hardin, said Peterson used a tree branch to “spank” his son for pushing another son who lived with him. Hardin said Peterson used the same type of discipline that he experienced as a child growing up in east Texas.

        Hardin said the injuries to the boy were “unintentional” — which is hard to believe considering Peterson reportedly whipped the child over 40 times because he refused to cry. The boy had defensive wounds on his hands and his scrotum was split.

        Before returning the boy to his mother, Peterson sent her a text message admitting he hit the child on his scrotum. “Never do I go overboard!,” he wrote. “But all my kids will know, hey daddy has he biggest heart but don’t play no games when it comes to acting right."

        Adrian Peterson Shows No Remorse in Mugshot : Sandra Rose
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        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Really ?? I have not kept up with a lot of this ! Well, next time I see Adrian I will give a quick kick to his sack. See how he likes it What a SOB !!
        Just be sure to tell him that when you misbehaved as a child, it's how you were punished, since to his way of thinking, that makes it perfectly acceptable.

        'Beast' - as in ANIMAL!!!

        Cheers. - Frank
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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Here is the thing, Frank. First , of all what these scum bags do with their violence on women and children is just undeniably immoral, anyway you look at it.

          But what also amazes me is the ability or inability I shall say for people to look at the repercussions of things they do.
          Particularluy famous high paid celebrities.


          I mean I can look at myself..... a practical nobody for all intensive purposes. And for instance just the other day I stopped myself to a complete dead stop when a parent of my daughters classmate almost ran into me in a very negligible way in the parking lot after I dropped my daughter off.

          My intial reaction of this dumb a- hole was to smack his trunk and yell something at him.

          But right there I put the brakes on and literally thought to myself, " If I do this spontaneous action how will it effect my daughter "? Will kids begin to laugh at her and give her a hard time because her Dad blew up in the parking lot ??

          So you see I believe all people should at least ATTEMPT to think about every action they do and how this Action can affect those loved ones around them and how it can directly affect them.

          It is a ripple effect, really !

          And it amazes me that these really famous people do not have the abilty to implement self control considering ALL they have to lose. ( In reality it probably shouldn't amaze me, though )
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      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

      I would say that any man that beats his child to the point of splitting the skin of his scrotum, is a beast, off the field, too.

      I don't care if he is the greatest football player in the history of mankind, he's a poor excuse for a human being and 'beast' sounds just about right to me.

      Cheers. - Frank
      At least since this case involves a child instead of a woman, there won't be the usual victim blaming going on ... blah blah blah she stayed with him, blah blah she's a gold digger, blah blah she's a mouthy biatch who started the "fight."
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    This is horrible. But this is a symptom of all society. I believe that the arrest rate for NFL players is the same (or maybe a little lower?) than for men of the same age group in general.

    And negative news like this always gets way more attention than the good most NFL players and teams do.

    For example, the Bengals keeping a player on their practice squad so he would get the health insurance to treat his 4 year old daughter that has cancer. The Bengals just added him to the regular roster so now he's getting full pay. The Bengals also issued a jersey with Still's number on it, with 100% of the proceeds going to fight children's cancer.

    Devon Still Game Jersey - Bengals Pro Shop "
    "All proceeds will go to benefit Cincinnati Children's Hospital and pediatric cancer care and research. We hope you can participate."

    In Case You Missed It: The Devon Still story - Cincinnati Bengals Blog - ESPN

    Or players like Peyton Manning that spend time and money with people and kids.

    I think the best way to put your concerns at ease, Eric, is to look at the $1 million his PeyBack Foundation donated this year. He gave $630,000 to Colorado youth-related charities; $175,000 to Tennessee groups; $120,000 to his home state of Louisiana and $75,000 to Indiana organizations.

    Broncos Mailbag: Give in Denver's second-half defense triggers alarm - The Denver Post
    Here's another article describing how Peyton spent time with a couple of kids:
    Meeting Peyton Manning, Broncos superstar and normal guy - The Denver Post

    Yeah, AP is a real jerk and deserves to be prosectured to the fullest extent, but I think we should be a little more "fair and balanced" and also take into account the good things many athletes do.

    Sorry to interupt, now back to our usual dwelling only on the negative...
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      This is horrible. But this is a symptom of all society. I believe that the arrest rate for NFL players is the same (or maybe a little lower?) than for men of the same age group in general.
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      And if players should be suspended while due process is played out, so should every other occupation. .
      Yeah, most studies indicate this, and I am aware of some of the studies that deal with the harshness of punishments.

      Of course the NFL is s huge, highly visible, big business and many of it's stars have become "role models" for some. Most people working for guys like Joe the Plumber do not become highly visible role models and representatives of the America's favorite sport. The best thing for the NFL would be best to keep it's image squeaky clean, but they need to protect their image the correct way, and not by taking some of these issues lightly. If they had an almost zero tolerance rule, I doubt I would be opposed to it.

      I bet if the stats were available we would find companies that have staffs with extremely low arrest rates when compared to the national average. It's not impossible, and sometimes being compared to the national average may not be a good thing.

      Many company contracts include ethics and morals clauses, and personal conduct policiest, and will fire you very quickly for drawing negative attention to your employer.

      You don't need a lot of cause to terminate people in the US, so terminating someone for causing a national stir is not at all surprising to me.

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        Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

        Yeah, most studies indicate this, and I am aware of some of the studies that deal with the harshness of punishments.

        Of course the NFL is s huge, highly visible, big business and many of it's stars have become "role models" for some. Most people working for guys like Joe the Plumber do not become highly visible role models and representatives of the America's favorite sport. The best thing for the NFL would be best to keep it's image squeaky clean, but they need to protect their image the correct way, and not by taking some of these issues lightly. If they had an almost zero tolerance rule, I doubt I would be opposed to it.
        My point wasn't about the NFL protecting its brand. They should. My point was about people judging NFL players, thinking they are somehow commiting more crimes that the public at large.

        As far as being role models, that's a parenting issue. Parents need to teach kids the difference between the "art and the artist". I love listening to Leadbelly, but he wasn't a role model in any way.
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          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          My point wasn't about the NFL protecting its brand. They should. My point was about people judging NFL players, thinking they are somehow commiting more crimes that the public at large.
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          And if players should be suspended while due process is played out, so should every other occupation. .
          Just to be clear, my point was NFL players are representing a huge iconic public league which happens to be this nation's favorite sport, and therefor the players, coaches and execs may need to be held to a higher standard as incidents just like this cause a huge public outcry and a ton of negative attention for many entities. Somebody working for Joe the Plumber that gets way out of line when spanking his or her kid and is reported will probably be punished, but usually they will not create a major national stir.

          As far as being role models, that's a parenting issue. Parents need to teach kids the difference between the "art and the artist". I love listening to Leadbelly, but he wasn't a role model in any way.
          Sure, but you and I both know that these guys are role models for many of today's youth just like rappers, hip-hop artists and pop stars are.

          Obviously not all parents are great parents....and that's a giant understatement.

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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Yeah, AP is a real jerk and deserves to be prosectured to the fullest extent, but I think we should be a little more "fair and balanced" and also take into account the good things many athletes do.
      Fair and balanced? Sorry that term became useless to me when a media giant shamelessly perverted its meaning for its own cynical purpose. lol

      My particular comments are only aimed at the OP. I'm aware that many good deeds are done, but that in no way has any bearing whatsoever on the subject at hand. One man, one act, one way of looking at it - for me. I can't and would never attempt to speak for others.

      Cheers. - Frank
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    Nike has dropped Adrian as well...

    Nike announced it was suspending his deal with the running back because of the charge that he injured his four-year old son while disciplining him.

    Adrian Peterson sponsors Nike, Castol back away from NFL star | Money - KCRA Home
    Dude has caused a lot of negative attention for a lot of big companies including the NFL, no doubt about that.

    Cheers

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    Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton called the reinstatement of Adrian Peterson an embarrassment and wanted him suspended until his case was resolved because his actions as a public figure are an embarrassment to the state of Minnesota and the Vikings.

    Gov. Mark Dayton of Minnesota called the Vikings’ reinstatement of Adrian Peterson an “embarrassment.”
    Each announcement by the N.F.L., though, seems to be met with many others calling on the league to do more. Dayton, a Democrat who helped the Vikings receive public financing for their new stadium, emphasized that Peterson should be considered innocent until proven guilty. But in a statement, he said that Peterson “is a public figure; and his actions, as described, are a public embarrassment to the Vikings organization and the State of Minnesota. Therefore, I believe the team should suspend Mr. Peterson until the accusations of child abuse have been resolved by the criminal justice system.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/17/sp...suspended.html
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    Pete Rose is still banned from baseball, but these wife beaters and child abusers get the benefit of due process. Brilliant.
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      Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

      Pete Rose is still banned from baseball, but these wife beaters and child abusers get the benefit of due process. Brilliant.
      Mr. Rose admitted he bet on baseball while he was a major league manager.
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        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Mr. Rose admitted he bet on baseball while he was a major league manager.
        At least he bet on his own team to win (or so he says)...and as a lifelong Reds fan I would like to see him in the Hall of Fame since plopping down cash on his team to win while he was manager had absolutely nothing to do with his achievements on the field. Let us not forget that Pete made the MLB All-Star team in 17 of the seasons in which he played.

        Personally, without Rose (and Bonds for that matter) in the HoF I have no real interest in visiting. Back in the day a ton of players used amphetamines (greenies and others) and in-fact it has been reported that Willy Mays supposedly drank a liquid amphetamine he had in his locker.

        Heck, we have "cheaters" (like spitballers) in the HoF already, and if you go way, way back in the day you could actually see players drinking beer during the games. Yeah, the league (and HoF voters) were a bit "looser" back in the day...

        Anyway, until they put the hit king in the HoF I have no interest in visiting Cooperstown.

        Cheers

        -don
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          Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

          Anyway, until they put the hit king in the HoF I have no interest in visiting Cooperstown. Cheers -don
          Please sedate me, NOW!!! I am 1000% in agreement with you on this. 1000%. lol

          Cheers. - Frank
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            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            Please sedate me, NOW!!! I am 1000% in agreement with you on this. 1000%. lol

            Cheers. - Frank
            Let's celebrate! A Corona for each of us!



            Cheers

            -don
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              Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

              Let's celebrate! A Corona for each of us! Cheers -don
              Cheers. No, literally! Cheers!!!

              Cheers. - Frank
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        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Mr. Rose admitted he bet on baseball while he was a major league manager.
        Yeah...so what.

        Anyway, I think my next pair of sneakers may be Skechers...

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    It's time for MLB to reinstate Charlie Hustle...


    Cheers

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Sometimes I look into a news story and realize the person in the news is SO far outside the kind of life I undesrtand....that I can't possibly understand the story itself.

      I'm thinking of a father who on a one time occasion - by mistake - over disciplines a child. It's terrible for any kid but to hit such a young child isn't acceptable. However, I still had this view of the father as "good guy who made a mistake".

      Just did some reading on Peterson - the man has kids all over with multiple women. He was accused a year ago of abusing a different boy and one of his children was beaten to death a year ago.

      How Many Kids Does Adrian Peterson Have? | Heavy.com

      I no longer have an opinion on this story - I don't understand men who live like this...or women who get involved and have children with them.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Sometimes I look into a news story and realize the person in the news is SO far outside the kind of life I undesrtand....that I can't possibly understand the story itself.

        I'm thinking of a father who on a one time occasion - by mistake - over disciplines a child. It's terrible for any kid but to hit such a young child isn't acceptable. However, I still had this view of the father as "good guy who made a mistake".

        Just did some reading on Peterson - the man has kids all over with multiple women. He was accused a year ago of abusing a different boy and one of his children was beaten to death a year ago.

        I no longer have an opinion on this story - I don't understand men who live like this...or women who get involved and have children with them.
        The story takes on a whole different life after reading that.

        The All-Pro Vikings running back was indicted September 12 on felony child abuse charges after admitting to a Texas grand jury that he repeatedly struck one of his 4-year-old sons with a tree branch. Three days later, reports emerged that Peterson was accused of abusing a different 4-year-old son, whose mother claimed Peterson struck the boy in the head last June, and two days after that, the Vikings announced they'd put Peterson on the NFL exempt list, barring him from team activities.

        All of this came a year after yet another of Peterson's children -- a 2-year-old boy he had only recently found out about -- was beaten to death by the boy's mother's boyfriend.

        So how many kids does Peterson have?

        The former NFL MVP actually won't say. ESPN's Lisa Salters asked him the question point-blank last year following his son's death, and he declined to answer.

        But Erica Syion, the mother of one of of Peterson's kids, told TMZ last year that the former Oklahoma standout actually has seven kids.
        How Many Kids Does Adrian Peterson Have? | Heavy.com
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          The former NFL MVP actually won't say. ESPN's Lisa Salters asked him the question point-blank last year following his son's death, and he declined to answer.

          That's only part of that tidbit. Asked the same question on a different occasion, he replied, "I know the honest truth about that and I am very comfortable with the answer."

          Apparently, he's very comfortable about everything. Just as I'm very comfortable labeling him a cretinous piece of subhuman garbage. Yep. Very comfortable, indeed.

          Cheers. - Frank
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            Just as I'm very comfortable labeling him a cretinous piece of subhuman garbage. Yep. Very comfortable, indeed.

            Cheers. - Frank
            This is not a spanking. And this doesn't include the injuries to parts under his underwear.

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