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Thanks for the charts Jay, pretty useful . I also plan to get an Blackberry too as a second tester beside my Samsung Galaxy S. |
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You can also type in different terms into google images and find a whole range of great stats. eg: mobile online usage 2011 Quentin |
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One problem I have come across that you probably wouldn't know about if you weren't testing on an iPhone is that phone numbers render differently. Google "render phone numbers iPhone" and read the first link. |
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I have a freind thats involved in mobile web and he is killing it. Im going to follow his method and when all works ...I will be back to share. Good Luck All, |
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How do you disable the automatic number detection? I've never seen it as a problem myself however I use an ipod touch for all my i-testing (tm) rather than an iphone so it may be more annoying on an actual iphone? | |
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Using CSS3 this should be fairly simple. You could even just rework their existing site.
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@ADHardwick - what are you referring too with regards to CSS3? if its disabling auto-detection thats not what you would use. @Will - you would need to place this in your header: Code: <meta name = "format-detection" content = "telephone=no" /> you would do this to prevent addresses been detected and given a link to google maps... Code: <meta name = "format-detection" content = "address=no" /> Code: <meta name = "format-detection" content = "email=no" /> Some people may ask why would you do this? In some instances auto detection can mess up your formatting and design layout and in extreme cases auto detect the wrong things! It's certainly not been the first time i have been asked this question. At the end of the day you don't have use these kinda snippets, but at least its handy to know how to disable them if you want to! cheers jay |
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Just thought I would drop in and leave a quick success story for anyone that is not quite yet up and making sales. I made my first mobile website sale. This was packaged with a regular website. Sold it for $297. I used WillR's templates. The customer was blown away. This was from a cold call. It's really simple the client loved the site and really it closed the sale for me. Just get on the phone and money will follow. Justin |
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In my honest opinion i think most people are wasting their time with what they consider to be mobile seo.... your probably better off spending time optimizing your main site especially if your targeting smartphone devices - Google doesn't actually differentiate the two in terms of one being a mobile a site and one being a desktop site in the SERPS and will rank both of them in the same pool as separate sites. If the content is the same on your mobile site as it is on your desktop your going to want use canonical references to point to your main site in which case defeats the purpose of mobile seo straight away. So why spend time trying to optimize two versions of your site? Optimizing keywords, images, etc, is only as effective as it is for your main site and if anything in some cases is just adding to the weight or your page size which will effect the delivery speed of your mobile site. In essence the chances are your main site will still out rank your mobile site anyway because its older, has more value content wise, and properly has much more valuable backlinks to it. Besides that do you really want desktop users to pull up your mobile site first instead of your main site? I know I don't! Lol However if your site validates to XHTML MP which most mobile sites don't since you have to jump through an extra few hoops to do so alongside submitting a proper mobile sitemap to Google, if they do rank you as a mobile website they will show a green mobile handset next to your listing... However your listing will still appear alongside other regular SERPS... Also the green handset only shows in google mobile search for non smartphones and not in Google mobile search for smartphones... It really doesn't does not help your positioning in the SERPS even if your code does validate to XHTML MP - having your site validate to XHTML MP just means more mobile devices including non-smartphones will be able to properly render your mobile site. If anyone understands the logistics of user agent switching, and JavaScript redirection and the effect it has on search engine crawlers you will understand in most instances Google can't find your site unless you properly back link to it or submit a mobile site map (which is ineffective if your site doesn't validate properly as mentioned earlier. A crawler doesn't have a screen width or a smartphone user agent attribute to trigger the redirect - it all seems pointless to me if your main site already ranks and your method of mobile detection redirects the visitor... Perhaps mention mobile in your meta description so it shows under your listing in the SERPS I would be interested to see anyone's response to this who is actually following the guidelines Matt Cutts expressed and can show me actual mobile sub-domains or mobile sites ranking in the SERPS and not the actual main domain. You could also try PPC and target specifically mobile devices to get specific mobile exposure. Think about your end user - are you targeting smartphones users which I think most people are then I would continue to optimize the main site - If you want to target non smartphone users and there's still a lot out there, not as big a percentage going online as smartphone users but none the less you should perhaps consider validating your code and submitting a proper mobile site map in combination with optimizing the main site. Unless Google starts to differentiate mobile sites for smartphones from regular websites which I think they should to improve the end user experience - it seems to me mobile SEO for smartphone mobile sites is pointless at this stage unless that your mobile site is your only online web presence. Of course do what you think is right - this is just my opinion based on my own research and testing. Hope this helps someone Cheers Jay | |
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I agree with everything Jay said above. When you think about it, SEO has a lot to do with the content on a page - that's how Google is able to determine what a specific page is REALLY about. When you look at most good mobile websites, the amount of content on a page is very minimal - that's the whole point of a mobile site after all. Quick access to important and relevant information. So it's very hard to do any meaningful SEO on a mobile site apart from the usual meta tags, heading tags, and alt image tags. I generally include those things in my mobile sites as standard just because they are easy to include and they are part of a normal compliant website. It certainly will not harm your site by having those things. Having said that I would definitely concentrate more on the SEO of your main website rather than your mobile website. Until we see how this one plays out none of us really know what Google has planned with mobile search. Once we do it won't be very hard to adapt. |
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i was actually in correspondence with Willr about this and think my response to him will clarify where i am coming from its kinda lengthy so i apologize in advance... however it will save you the tons of hours of research and testing that I invested into this to come to my conclusion! LOL WARNING - POSSIBLE BRAIN OVERLOAD - READ THE FOLLOWING AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! LOL Take a look at this page: Adding mobile URL information to a Sitemap - Webmaster Tools Help This page is about creating a proper mobile site map... it does say: Sitemaps currently supports and automatically detects the following markup languages:
Any URLs that serve only non-mobile web content will be ignored by the Google crawling mechanisms. My interpretation of that is if your site doesn't render the content to proper mobile standards it will basically ignore it regardless if its in a properly formatted mobile site map. Well it may not ignore it entirely it may still list it with regular desktop websites in the serps. I found that once and only once my site was validating to XHTML MP does it get the green handset icon next to its listing - but as discussed before it only shows that in mobile search for non-smartphones. So with that pointer 3 still in mind - ask yourself what is Google considering as mobile content? Now take a look at this page: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogsp...-friendly.html Check out the section called Some Background in particular points 1 and 2 1. Traditional mobile phones: Phones with browsers that cannot render normal desktop webpages. This includes browsers for cHTML (iMode), WML, WAP, and the like. 2. Smartphones: Phones with browsers that render normal desktop pages, at least to some extent. This category includes a diversity of devices, such Windows Phone 7, Blackberry devices, iPhones, and Android phones, and also tablets and eBook readers. Then there is a section about Googlebot and Mobile Content - about the fourth paragraph down you will see this: Remembering pointer 3 from earlier... Notice that we currently do not crawl with Googlebot-Mobile using a smartphone User-agent string. Thus at the current time, a correctly-configured content serving system will serve Googlebot-Mobile content ONLY for the traditional phones described above, because that’s what the User-agent strings in use today dictate. This may change in the future, and if so, it may mean there would be a new Googlebot-Mobile User-agent string. To me this makes sense as to why the green mobile handset icon only shows on mobile search for non-smartphones and not on smartphone mobile search. Now take a look at this page: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogsp...-friendly.html Look at the section: Verify that Google can recognize your mobile URLs It reads: Once Googlebot-Mobile crawls your URLs, we then check for whether the URL is viewable on a mobile device. Pages we determine aren't viewable on a mobile phone won't be included in our mobile site index (although they may be included in the regular web index). This determination is based on a variety of factors, one of which is the "DTD (Doc Type Definition)" declaration. Check that your mobile-friendly URLs' DTD declaration is in an appropriate mobile format such as XHTML MOBILE or Compact HTML. If it's in a compatible format, the page is eligible for the mobile search index. For more information, see the Mobile Webmaster Guidelines. I maybe wrong but that makes me think if it aint XHTML MP its not considered mobile content... as i mentioned in my post i hope they do change it up because i know i don't want to pull up desktop sites on my smartphone if someone has gone to the time of creating a mobile site for it! Hopefully this clarifies my interpretation of Mobile SEO and why for the most part i think most people are wasting their time trying to do it - when instead they should perhaps concentrate on optimizing their main site or spending money on mobile PPC. Again just as a reminder this is just my interpretation and use the information as you see fit - but hopefully if your conclusion is the same as mine i hope this actually saves you some time and you guys found it a helpful insight! Cheers, Jay |
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Great thread, and really an unapped market for those who can step out of their comfort zone and hit the streets. Definetly worth adding to my portfolio.
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Hi everyone, I've enjoyed reading this thread. I'm a little confused on the tools being used though. For those creating mobile web sites now, can you help me with these questions, please? - How do you handle making a mobile site for a business that already has a regular web site? Are you adding a script to their site to detect if the viewer is using a mobile browser, and if so, redirecting them to the mobile site you create? - What scripts/methods are used to detect a mobile browser? I know there are WP plugins that do this, but what if the plugin doesn't work for a client, or the site isn't WP? Or what if you can't gain access to their website files in order to put the script in place? - I am thinking of buying Quentin's scripts but I'm not sure it gives me everything I need. For those who bought it, what else do you need to complete a site and get it deployed? (Do you need a graphics program, additional scripts, ??) I appreciate your help and guidance on this! |
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Those who have regular sites are actually the ones you want to target (unless you're offering regular site and mobile site packages) so you can add the redirect script to the main site. I'm keeping a list of those who don't appear to have a website at all so I can go back later and offer a regular and mobile site to them, but for right now I'm targeting those who have a main site as it's going to be easier to convince them that they need a mobile site if they already have a regular site. Those who don't have a website at all aren't going to think they need a mobile site either. As far as the redirect script goes, both Quentin and WillR's WSO contains a script you can use. Have a great weekend, Chris
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Thanks Chris! Great info and advice. I like your approach. You make a great point about businesses without a regular website now won't see the need for a mobile one either. Thanks also for the confirmation that Quentin's and WillR's WSOs contain the scripts. Have a great weekend! |
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Hi Warriors, I've got the back of my business cards utilized with a message for making $20 per referral and then have a link to my free report with a QR code to scan for it too. However, there's some business owners (chiropractors, dentists, etc) that I want to give a printed report to along with my business card. I was going to get some of the clear report covers with the black plastic edge that slides on, but is that too "school" like? There's leather report covers, but I'm not going to spend $10+ for each one without knowing if the business is even going to sign up. What do you all use for a professional way to present your printed report? Thanks and have a great day! Sincerely, Chris |
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What great information. I definitely will be looking into this! Thanks to all the posters, and to Scotth for sharing the sites, info, and sales techniques!
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Mobile-ready websites can help you get customers via mobile search. At the current rate of change and adoption, mobile Web usage will surpass desktop Internet usage by 2015. You also improve visibility for your brand.
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budget way for me i used to print on the thickest paper i can get my hands (at a guess 32lb/110gsm) - i then usually print a glossy front cover (ie photo paper) and then have a transparent plastic cover sheet... i then have a blank glossy cover on the back with another transparency on the outside... i then would bind the report with a metal spiral binder - you can get one of those machines for like $50.... always looked good to me, can always do them in landscape too to make them "different" - most peoples websites are widescreen these days and showing screenshots and phones side by side gets the most use out of the paper being orientated landscape... am actually about to ordered some proper custom folders - but i will still print on the thickest paper i can find though... hope that helps |
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I stopped by Office Max a little while ago and they've got a nice 12 sheet presentation holder that has the clear front insert for the cover page and sheet protectors, but there's no insert inside to hold a business card which would be nice to have a place for a card so they don't lose it. It seems the only covers that have a business card insert are the folders, which wouldn't work as the client would have papers all over the place trying to read the report if the pages weren't bound together in some way. Lol I was tempted to just buy a binding machine as that way I can just bind a report any time I need to print one, as after so many reports the machine would pay for itself considering the price the copy and office stores charge to bind something. EDIT: Didn't see you had posted Jay, thanks for the post! I was looking at the machines at Office Max, but they're expensive there (everything is most of the time). I'll have to go check other stores tomorrow. Thanks! I've got a business that wants a report. They've got a 1 page mobile site now, but it's atrocious so I'm going to help them do a better one. My 7 year niece could do better. |
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Mine was like under $50 - cant do many sheets at a time, but then i dont try and make my reports very long... people have short attention spans LOL | |
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I have a binding machine. The kind that uses the flat plastic style spines, not the coil type. The style that Office Max calls "combs". The machine is a manual one, about 25 years old, and in good condition as I have not used it often. I just do not feel the reports it makes are as pro looking as I'd like, but maybe I am being too fussy. Do you feel it is a viable format to hand out to a business person, especially a professional like an accountant or lawyer, etc? If it is, then I have several dozens fronts and backs, and I could just pick up the heavy paper that Jay recommends. |
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Jay, I know what you mean there as I have a pretty short attention span sometimes too. The cheapest one Office Max had was like $80 and didn't look that great. I'm on Amazon checking them out now.
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i got one of these... GBC ProClick P50 Binding Machine by Office Depot i am pretty certain it was $50 - its showing $59.99 actually i may have had a discount coupon! |
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I checked out Amazon and found this one, Amazon.com: Fellowes Star Manual Comb Binding Machine (52173): Office Products It's at the #1 spot under binding machines, looks pretty nice and can't beat the price with excellent reviews. I've got a Fellowes shredder and it's taken a beaten and still works like a charm. Haven't decided on which one yet. |
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Outstanding knowledge i gain form here..Thanks a lot
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Thanks Guys for this Awesome Knowledge, however I still trying to comprehend how to get sales. Lets say I want to create a mobile site for this guy: thebavariarestaurant.com How do I present my case to him. WHen I look at his website from a iphone, it reads fine. All formatting is there. Why would he need a mobile version? Please help with this. Thanks |
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This question has been asked several times in this thread. This site is not mobile friendly. When I look on my iphone the site is very small and needs to be enlarged and scroll around to read. Too much work compared to a mobile friendly site with just the basics of contacting them, how to find them, perhaps a menu, etc. all without scrolling and pinching to make it bigger. Ron
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@double g if you look at his site on a mobile phone you have to zoom in and pan around the site to be able to properly read or find anything on a mobile version of this site you wouldn't have to do that - it would be much easier to use... look at some of the examples of the mobile sites previously posted in this thread you will see they have a really simple navigation system that's easily click-able even with the chunkiest of fingers.. also you will see that his telephone number doesn't do anything on his site - on a mobile site you would click his number or have a click to call button and it would initiate a phone call to the restaurant at the press of a button... the existing site uses a lot of images so for a number of users it maybe slow to load... the site should give users quick access to the important information literally at their fingertips without having to search around looking for it - mobile devices have a much smaller display area and are used by people typically on the go that don't really have much time to be hunting around a site to find the info they need... it can be frustrating to the point they wont even continue to bother... hope that makes sense... |
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Basically, a picture is worth a thousand words. Have you ever heard of Ruth's Chris Steakhouse? It's an upscale steakhouse, just as the restaurant you listed seems more upscale. Go to Ruth's Chris Steak House: Best Prime Steak Restaurant on your iPhone and see the power of a mobile website. Better yet, show this to the restaurant owner. And go into something like: Picture this. A nicely dressed youg couple are celebrating a promotion and want to go to a nice restaurant in this town. They do a google search on their iPhone while in the car. You site comes up first. You've done great in designing this site to showcase your restaurant, but these are folks on the go who are making a quick decision. Then they open ruthschris. And it flows so easily on their iPhone, and they can get just the info they want. They go to Ruth's Chris. Mr owner, you have a FANTASTIC website that looks beautiful on a laptop or full size monitor. How would you feel about letting me carry that over to a great mobile site so you can grab that business from people on the go? I can have your mobile optimized site set up in a matter of days. Shall we get to work on it now?
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@daniel larusso i agree with you, for me though nationwide mobile websites like that Ruth Chris site that has multiple locations should really be using the phones GPS geo-location technology too - to make the overall experience even smoother for the end user ie have direct links to the nearest venues based on the users geo-graphical location as well as the location search With so many venues and based in Texas i was scrolling and scrolling and scrolling to have a guess as to which was the closest venue to me. |
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I have been going through the thread again and it is a lot to cover so I might have missed this if it was already asked. Does anyone have an example of a contract or agreement they use for mobile sites that they would be willing to share?
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Thanks for the Great Feedback guys. I am going to go out there, and see what I can sell.
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Yeah I would still have the other drop down options too but where possible just have the geo option displayed first - could always display the geo feature as a conditional statement Fact think they would have been better off in this instance letting a person do a city or zip search... Makes me laugh sometimes I honestly can't imagine someone testing this and going yeah this is a good user experience lol and I doubt the client had this done on the cheap lol |
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can google maps be added and how hard is this to do?
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WillR's WSO is awesome...I haven't bought Quentin's- but he seems like an excellent authority as well. I suggest you buy both and supercharge your efforts! |
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I have bought Quentin's WSO and have great things to say about this WSO. A couple of things are not consistent with best mobile web design practices , but overall Quentin's method produces great looking mobile sites that I am sure will easily sell to clients. I have been designing mobile sites since 2007 and have been using the cms drupal. With my system you can easily and quickly design site that scores 5/5 on ready mobi. examples are canines.mobi and poms.mobi canines.mobi was featured on dot mobis showcase of mobile websites a few years ago. |
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Absolutely and you can either do a direct embed or I like to add a graphic and link to their google places or google maps.
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If you link to the smartphone version of Google maps it works great and typically powers up your Google maps app, however i have noticed on non smartphones and older blackberries the smartphone Google maps page just freezes or doesn't load, or loads with a blank grey square in the middle of the page... using the user agent switching it enables me to push phone users to the correct version for their phone... hope that makes sense | |
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Mobile sites specifically for smartphone have certainly expanded on what you can and cant do with your designs - having a touch screen has also added to your design criteria too... although developing your site to rank for 5/5 on ready mobi will ensure your sites work on the broadest range of phones, if you develop your site with user agent detection you can also add a lot more design flair and have more control over how your site looks, keeping it more basic for non smartphones and going all out for smartphones at the same time still getting it validate well on both ready.mobi and mobileOK hope that helps jay | |
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