$300 Recurring Income Per Day? $9,000+ Per Month By Month 2?

by Local Banned
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Okay, let me try to explain this the best I can.

Understand, we have only done this in one location with one charity this far.

We are only 40 days into this, it is that new, but I do believe the opportunity is so big that thousands of local business consultants and web designers could jump on this.

I am assuming that most of you are not designers, so I am recommending you join Homestead | Make a FREE Website - Create a Website in Mins - Build Your Own Website Today and sign up for an account that will allow you to create all of your new client websites.

I believe that after your initial websites, additional websites are each $3.00 per month.

Here in California, outside of Walmart's, grocery stores, etc., you will find different charities asking for donations.

They set up tables and have literature about their cause and usually a lock box for donations,

I do not know if this is the scenario in every state, but this is the case in San Diego County, Orange County, Los Angeles County, Riverside County, and San Bernardino County.

Anyhow, I did a little brainstorming with my San Diego sales team and one of our sales reps, who is a Marine at Camp Pendelton, and volunteers with a veteran's group that helps wounded soldiers with housing, education and employement.

This charity could be seen stationed around San Diego and Orange County Walmart's raising awareness and donations.

We then approached this charity with the following idea.

What if we were to create a banner, offering a professional website worth at least $500 for a $20 donation.

The small print is the donor agrees to ongoing hosting and maintenance at $60 per month.

We tested this at a handful of Walmarts, rotating our station from Walmart to Walmart.

The numbers are in and we averaged 22 takers per day, bringing in $440 on average per day for our charity and earning us almost $40,000 (on paper) worth of recurring hosting payments per month.

We are just now beginning the billing for the first 10 days of sign ups in August, and so far, about 70% have processed without a hitch.

30% have been declined for various reasons and we are working out an automated system to follow up via email, SMS and voice broadcast to get new payment information.

I have NO idea if this will be the case with multiple locations, in different areas, or with other charities.

It is just too early to tell, but obviously, the opportunity deserves further exploration.

Ciao,
Evie

P.S. I used lower numbers in the title of this post, because I do not believe a total newbie could have done those same numbers, as we did man the station with one of our sales managers, yet we estimate there were at least 5 lay downs per day, thus, the numbers provided in the title.
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  • Profile picture of the author danielsteven
    Hi Evie,

    That's extremely creative, anyhow I have a few questions.

    1.)Were those results from 1 charity alone?
    2.)And when people signed up did they have to give more details about their site, or just their contact information so that you could follow up and get the details.
    3.) Was their website on a subdomain or their own domain?

    Thanks!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
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      Originally Posted by danielsteven View Post

      Hi Evie,

      That's extremely creative, anyhow I have a few questions.

      1.)Were those results from 1 charity alone?
      2.)And when people signed up did they have to give more details about their site, or just their contact information so that you could follow up and get the details.
      3.) Was their website on a subdomain or their own domain?

      Thanks!!
      1. From one charity and rotating every few days to different Walmarts. We suspected that we might even do better in front of a Costco, but Costco has more rules I believe.

      2. We asked for a short amount of information, including billing information or a voided check with authorization for the hosting and maintenance. Then we signed them into an AR that sent them to a survey for all the info to create the website and showed them samples to choose from.

      3. Their own domain, which is a $20 a year add on if they do not already have one.

      Ciao,
      Evie

      P.S. I am working at the hospital today and have 4 surgeries scheduled back to back, so I will be on later tonight or tomorrow.
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  • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
    Evie, are you using "your check solution" for monthly payments or credit cards?


    Thomas
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
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      Originally Posted by SirThomas View Post

      Evie, are you using "your check solution" for monthly payments or credit cards?


      Thomas
      We are using both.

      Ciao,
      Evie
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  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
    based on the lower figures then 5 sites to create each and every day to keep up with demand , plus all the related admin and communication with new and existing clients, not too bad especially if outsourced .

    Nice model and angle of 'attack' and the figures stack up though IMO anyone who stopped and thought for 10 seconds would have realised that in 10 months time theyve paid out $600 for a less than great website and are still committed to paying $60 a month for (however long the contract is) ongoing , so end up much worse off all round than going a more normal route , but hey I guess 22 people a day dont think like me so hats off to you , I can see more drop off as the penny drops and their supposed business brain finally cranks into action so I guess its then decision time all round.

    Money to be made for sure , just make sure you're protected :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author gammon
    OH,That is a good idea,but for here many people dont trust donation ,so there are just the poor man ask for a donation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
    I'd expect a high chargeback ratio. If I was you, I'd set aside a nice chunk of change in case your merchant decides to enact a minimum and rolling reserve for all transactions, even unrelated transactions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
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      Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

      I'd expect a high chargeback ratio. If I was you, I'd set aside a nice chunk of change in case your merchant decides to enact a minimum and rolling reserve for all transactions, even unrelated transactions.
      First of all, everything is explained in plain English and the $60 per month, is clearly explained 3 times, and requires their initials each time.

      The only questions we have had thus far is what percentage of the $60 per month does the charity get, and we may make a change and earmark a portion of the monthly hosting for the charity.

      Ciao,
      Evie
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  • Profile picture of the author xlfutur1
    This sounds like a really great idea. The question is: Won't you have all kinds of maintenance with all of those websites? I would think there would be alot of those that want things changed every month, new things added, etc. Even outsourcing all of that could be a real headache. The concept is very cool though with the charity angle.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
      Hej Evie,

      when you say "website", what does that actually contain? How many pages? Do you include an opt-in form? Are these sites all based on a pre-made template from Homestead? Do you allow any changes and if so, is that how you justify the $60 a month hosting? Are the pages SEO'd? Their own pictures? Just curious as to what they get, that's all, lol

      One more thing, do they need to sign a years contract or?

      Thank you in advance, Eva
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      • Profile picture of the author Local
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        Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+ View Post

        Hej Evie,

        when you say "website", what does that actually contain? How many pages? Do you include an opt-in form? Are these sites all based on a pre-made template from Homestead? Do you allow any changes and if so, is that how you justify the $60 a month hosting? Are the pages SEO'd? Their own pictures? Just curious as to what they get, that's all, lol

        One more thing, do they need to sign a years contract or?

        Thank you in advance, Eva
        Let me first make it clear that WE DO NOT USE HOMESTEAD.

        I was suggesting homestead as a simple solution for someone that does not have a web development team at the ready.

        But still, the basic website we are offering here is a typical homestead site based industry by industry and most include a map, contact us page with form, about us, home page, products/services page, etc., I am sure you get the idea.

        We have already completed over 200 websites for this program thus far with 250+ in the funnel and the response has been very positive from our new clients.

        We have a form they complete when requesting their website which walks them through everything they need and allows them to upload their own images, logos, etc. and we are up selling logos for $250 and have sold 87 to date.

        And $60 per month for hosting, that includes security patches and updates to prevent hacking/spamming, and backups is NOT high.

        Everyone on this forum needs to realize what is happening in the real world, the offline world.

        Take a look at how much YP are charging for websites each month.

        Ciao,
        Evie
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        • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
          Originally Posted by Local View Post

          Let me first make it clear that WE DO NOT USE HOMESTEAD.

          I was suggesting homestead as a simple solution for someone that does not have a web development team at the ready.

          But still, the basic website we are offering here is a typical homestead site based industry by industry and most include a map, contact us page with form, about us, home page, products/services page, etc., I am sure you get the idea.

          We have already completed over 200 websites for this program thus far with 250+ in the funnel and the response has been very positive from our new clients.

          We have a form they complete when requesting their website which walks them through everything they need and allows them to upload their own images, logos, etc. and we are up selling logos for $250 and have sold 87 to date.

          And $60 per month for hosting, that includes security patches and updates to prevent hacking/spamming, and backups is NOT high.

          Everyone on this forum needs to realize what is happening in the real world, the offline world.

          Take a look at how much YP are charging for websites each month.

          Ciao,
          Evie
          Thank you for your clarification. Seems like Homestead would be quite doable.

          If you wouldn't mind, could you please share as to the cost of a YP site?

          You go girl! (and congrats...)
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          • Profile picture of the author Local
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            Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+ View Post

            Thank you for your clarification. Seems like Homestead would be quite doable.

            If you wouldn't mind, could you please share as to the cost of a YP site?

            You go girl! (and congrats...)
            The cost of a YP website is really irrelevant when you realize you have to commit to a contact for YP advertising that can end up costing you tens of thousands per month before even getting that website offer.

            Many YP companies have moved to even offer of a "free" website.

            So you commit to paying $800 a month for 12, 24 or 36 months and you get a 3 page templated website.

            Whoa!

            Ciao,
            Evie
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        • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
          Originally Posted by Local View Post

          Let me first make it clear that WE DO NOT USE HOMESTEAD.

          I was suggesting homestead as a simple solution for someone that does not have a web development team at the ready.
          Another question, Evie :-)

          So, you created your own "industry by industry" basic customizable website system, right?


          Thomas
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
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      Originally Posted by xlfutur1 View Post

      This sounds like a really great idea. The question is: Won't you have all kinds of maintenance with all of those websites? I would think there would be alot of those that want things changed every month, new things added, etc. Even outsourcing all of that could be a real headache. The concept is very cool though with the charity angle.
      Any changes incur an additional charge and the idea is to eventually upsell them to a full blown direct response website and the usual upsells services.

      Ciao,
      Evie
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  • Profile picture of the author Warrior Ben
    I'm a little confused on this, Evie... are you having the charity offering websites to customers of Wal-Mart on your behalf? 22 sign ups per day seems quite high as I can't imagine there are that many business owners who are 1) shopping at Wal-Mart and 2) looking to buy a website on the spot. I agree that Costco might be more in the demographic of business owners, but 22 signs ups a day from Wal-Mart?!

    Could the high results be that people think they are just giving a $20 donation to the charity? Of the 70% who paid the $60/month have you received any complaints? If you are actually out there doing this, I have a feeling that there are going to be some people who feel scammed, even if they did sign a contract.

    Maybe I'm missing something here, but for anybody who has sold actual websites, they know that doing everything that goes along with that is just not feasible in a Wal-Mart parking lot.

    I've got to be honest Evie-- some of your posts are very informative, but the numbers you throw out there are beyond anything that I have ever seen and it really raises my BS detector. I think that some beginners could read your posts and get these ideas of how easy it is to sell things, but 22 websites a day from a table in a Wal-Mart sounds like a HUGE exaggeration, if not totally made up...

    I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I think it does people a disservice when you throw out numbers that just don't add up with the reality of people who are actively out there selling these services. And all this while you are still working as a nurse? How are you able to effectively run a multi-state sales operation with allegedly hundreds of thousands in revenue every month?

    Maybe I'm the only one who thinks this, but it just doesn't make sense.

    -Ben
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    • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
      Originally Posted by Warrior Ben View Post

      Maybe I'm the only one who thinks this, but it just doesn't make sense.

      -Ben
      Be at peace brother Ben, you are not alone
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      • Profile picture of the author Local
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        Originally Posted by mjbmedia View Post

        Be at peace brother Ben, you are not alone
        That is what is great about America... we have the opportunity to make successes out of the nonsensical.

        :-)

        Ciao,
        Evie
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
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      Originally Posted by Warrior Ben View Post

      I'm a little confused on this, Evie... are you having the charity offering websites to customers of Wal-Mart on your behalf? 22 sign ups per day seems quite high as I can't imagine there are that many business owners who are 1) shopping at Wal-Mart and 2) looking to buy a website on the spot. I agree that Costco might be more in the demographic of business owners, but 22 signs ups a day from Wal-Mart?!

      Could the high results be that people think they are just giving a $20 donation to the charity? Of the 70% who paid the $60/month have you received any complaints? If you are actually out there doing this, I have a feeling that there are going to be some people who feel scammed, even if they did sign a contract.

      Maybe I'm missing something here, but for anybody who has sold actual websites, they know that doing everything that goes along with that is just not feasible in a Wal-Mart parking lot.

      I've got to be honest Evie-- some of your posts are very informative, but the numbers you throw out there are beyond anything that I have ever seen and it really raises my BS detector. I think that some beginners could read your posts and get these ideas of how easy it is to sell things, but 22 websites a day from a table in a Wal-Mart sounds like a HUGE exaggeration, if not totally made up...

      I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I think it does people a disservice when you throw out numbers that just don't add up with the reality of people who are actively out there selling these services. And all this while you are still working as a nurse? How are you able to effectively run a multi-state sales operation with allegedly hundreds of thousands in revenue every month?

      Maybe I'm the only one who thinks this, but it just doesn't make sense.

      -Ben
      Hi Ben -

      "raises my BS detector"?

      Seriously Ben?

      A lessor gal might take offense.

      ;-)

      I apologize as I had a much more in-depth response, but Chrome crashed!

      ACK!

      For anyone that knows me, I tell it like it is, I don't pull and punches and I don't candy coat.

      These numbers are OUR exact numbers for this test.

      I admitted already that averaging 22 per day was more likely to the fact that we had one of our sales managers and a GREAT closer on hand.

      These folks know EXACTLY what they are getting, and many, many more than the 22 per day, decided to only donate, and not participate on receiving a website.

      You also need to understand that the areas we are testing, the average income, I assure you, most probably own their own business or are an executive for one.

      And we have had a number that have gifted a favorite business of theirs, and some of the stories I was told was a few indicated their favorite pizza shop, or their dentist's website sucked so bad, they were gifting them a new website.

      I am not sure how the recurring will turn out on those, but hey, we're finding our sea legs here. We do have the option to "buy" the website and host it yourself for $495.

      And this is a month to month hosting contract.

      The participants are sent an informative email (and SMS reminder) that includes the URL for them to request their website. This URL walks them through the entire process.

      And the numbers in my title, resulted from what everyone that was manning these stations guessed was the number of lay downs.

      People that just looked at our banners, the website examples, and said, I'm in.

      Also, on the main banner, in 1 foot block letters, the offer is spelled out, including the $60 per month hosting.

      I know it is difficult for many to understand and it is only human nature to try to poke holes in everything they see, but I challenge everyone to try to figure out how to make something work, versus always assuming, "that won't work" or "that's not possible."

      Your doing yourselves a huge disservice.

      And I'm not saying this business model is scalable or will even work outside of my area, but if someone was a go getter and wanted to give it a try, there is merit there.

      Also, I do not know what the foot traffic is at Walmarts in anyone else's area, but our Walmarts average 10,000 to 13,000 vehicles PER DAY.

      We did attempt to do a person count using one of those clickers of folks that walked past our display, and during peak shopping, averaged 800-1,000 per hour.

      That was people walking past and looking at our display. It is not scientific at all.

      And how I run my business, with multiple offices is my business!

      LOL

      It is called hiring and firing right and having an eye for talent, then empowering them to build their own empire within yours.

      And as a nurse anesthetist, I work 11/12 days a month, that still gives me over 35,000 minutes to rule the World. It helps that I hate sleeping and only need 3-4 hours a night. NOTE: Kids, don't try this at home.

      ;-)

      Ciao,
      Evie
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  • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
    I can see the potential, but struggle with the $60 PCM hosting and only $20 going to the charity. Use the concept build a list, but surely give the charity a large percentage of the earnings, and give business owners a reasonable deal.You can always upsell services later.

    I feel this type of behaviour would quickly give your business a reputation for greed and exploitation.If your business is so successful, why can you not be more 'charitable' - you dont want to be visited by the ghost of christmas past.
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    • Profile picture of the author RRG
      Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

      I can see the potential, but struggle with the $60 PCM hosting and only $20 going to the charity. Use the concept build a list, but surely give the charity a large percentage of the earnings, and give business owners a reasonable deal.You can always upsell services later.

      I feel this type of behaviour would quickly give your business a reputation for greed and exploitation.If your business is so successful, why can you not be more 'charitable' - you dont want to be visited by the ghost of christmas past.
      I'm sorry, but as Richard Nixon once famously said, "That's pure poppycock."

      This is a triangulated joint venture in which all three parties have entered into it--voluntarily--each for his own benefit.

      The charity likes the deal. Check.

      The business owner likes the deal. Check.

      Local's company is offering a valuable service at a profit. Check.

      Win . . . win . . . win.

      Your comment, "If your business is so successful, why can you not be more 'charitable'?" reminds me of the looter mentality in Atlas Shrugged.
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      • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
        I see what you mean. My mother has been suffering for MS, unable to walk for or feed herself for quite a few years. My dad does work for the MS Society, driving around patients of the therapy centre, and collecting money from shopping centres... unpaid.

        Why dont I set up a stool and collect money from business people, of course, this will be for the sufferers of MS, not my own benefit. I will collect $440 for those that lives have been ruined by this disablitating disease, and I will collect $40,000 in recurring income for myself.

        I can do this all in the name of charity.

        I am of the belief that if you do something under the guise of charity, more than !% should go to charity,

        but thats just me




        Originally Posted by RRG View Post

        I'm sorry, but as Richard Nixon once famously said, "That's pure poppycock."

        This is a triangulated joint venture in which all three parties have entered into it--voluntarily--each for his own benefit.

        The charity likes the deal. Check.

        The business owner likes the deal. Check.

        Local's company is offering a valuable service at a profit. Check.

        Win . . . win . . . win.

        Your comment, "If your business is so successful, why can you not be more 'charitable'?" reminds me of the looter mentality in Atlas Shrugged.
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
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      Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

      I can see the potential, but struggle with the $60 PCM hosting and only $20 going to the charity. Use the concept build a list, but surely give the charity a large percentage of the earnings, and give business owners a reasonable deal.You can always upsell services later.

      I feel this type of behaviour would quickly give your business a reputation for greed and exploitation.If your business is so successful, why can you not be more 'charitable' - you dont want to be visited by the ghost of christmas past.
      You know, this particular charity is stoked, but personally, I think we need to give a percentage of the monthly to the charity as well.

      In reality, I never expected these numbers, so it does deserve some additional discussion and you are right.

      Ciao,
      Evie
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  • Profile picture of the author dtaylor
    Helping charities is a great way to dramatically increase your exposure in a positive way. The possibilities are endless, not just with websites and hosting but with multiple avenues.

    Thanks for sharing.
    DTaylor
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
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      Originally Posted by dtaylor View Post

      Helping charities is a great way to dramatically increase your exposure in a positive way. The possibilities are endless, not just with websites and hosting but with multiple avenues.

      Thanks for sharing.
      DTaylor
      Think about local school fundraising and also offering other services to local businesses!

      We talked this morning about allowing one of our local high schools to sell $250 gift cards for $25 and keeping all of the money.

      When they sell Christmas paper, cookie dough, candles, I am horrified at how much or should I say, what little amount they end up with.

      Ciao,
      Evie
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonthewebmaster
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    I think it's a great idea.

    I think you guys with doubts are missing one fact though...

    That most business owners would not even think twice about spending 50 or 60 bucks per month on a website and hosting.

    Honestly, EVERYONE should be paying that for hosting, but hosting companies are so cheap nowadays, it's a wonder how they even make money charging $2-$20 per month!

    Now, what you guys forget is that the average brick and mortar business owner is NOT savvy with things like this, and so just because of that, it's worth MORE to them to get reliable hosting and updates for their site.

    Especially if you throw in 2 updates per month or something like that.

    Again 50-60 bucks a month is POCKET CHANGE for most businesses, they pay more for internet service than that!!!

    If a business cannot afford that monthly fee, they are in deep trouble and won't be in business for much longer.

    To me, it makes a lot of sense! I would love to try this strategy out, just need to get some hookups in a local charity that already has approved by walmart to advertise!
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    • Profile picture of the author IMguy123
      Originally Posted by jasonthewebmaster View Post

      I think it's a great idea.

      I think you guys with doubts are missing one fact though...

      That most business owners would not even think twice about spending 50 or 60 bucks per month on a website and hosting.

      Honestly, EVERYONE should be paying that for hosting, but hosting companies are so cheap nowadays, it's a wonder how they even make money charging $2-$20 per month!

      Now, what you guys forget is that the average brick and mortar business owner is NOT savvy with things like this, and so just because of that, it's worth MORE to them to get reliable hosting and updates for their site.

      Especially if you throw in 2 updates per month or something like that.

      Again 50-60 bucks a month is POCKET CHANGE for most businesses, they pay more for internet service than that!!!

      If a business cannot afford that monthly fee, they are in deep trouble and won't be in business for much longer.

      To me, it makes a lot of sense! I would love to try this strategy out, just need to get some hookups in a local charity that already has approved by walmart to advertise!
      I agree....and some posters might be missing the point.

      This idea Evie is giving seems to be an amazing one for getting new clients whether you do it as she says or alter it in another way.

      If her numbers don't jive with your area simply adjust them. She is in California remember.

      If the monthly fee is too high, lower it some.

      Some don't have the ability to cold call (or don't want to try) and this offers a possible alternative.

      I think most have to admit that she continually offers doable ideas that she implements. Most of us have a hard time fathoming what she is able to do because she is out of the box (thinking out of the box) and many of us are in the box. (Of course, I am not speaking for all people.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Seantrepreneur
    I couldn't agree more with Warrior Ben. This concepts seems great until you actually go and try to sell websites for yourself. Plus, can you imagine the time it would take to get all the information necessary from all 22 of those business owners to make their website? Also, 22 sign ups in one day does seem extremely high when you really break down the numbers. How many ppl actually stop at those charity tables? Of those how many are business owners? Of those how many need a website? Of those how many want to commit to a website on the spot? Of those how many are going to be happy paying $720 a year for a, what I'm guessing is, an extremely simple website.

    It just doesn't seem to add up. I do love the fact tho that you are encouraging people to get out there and try something. There needs to be more of that and a little less of "Make 10 million dollars in 3 seconds using my PROVEN methods". That might be exaggerated, but you get what I'm saying.

    Lastly, with quote:

    Again 50-60 bucks a month is POCKET CHANGE for most businesses, they pay more for internet service than that!!!
    I'm not sure how many business owners you know, but $600-$720 a year is not pocket change to a small business owner. Maybe a successful one, but not your average run of the mill trying to make ends meet business owner.

    I hope no one takes this as being negative. I just don't want newbies to go out and try something like this and when they don't see these results they get discouraged and give up.

    Sean
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
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      Originally Posted by Seantrepreneur View Post

      I couldn't agree more with Warrior Ben. This concepts seems great until you actually go and try to sell websites for yourself. Plus, can you imagine the time it would take to get all the information necessary from all 22 of those business owners to make their website? Also, 22 sign ups in one day does seem extremely high when you really break down the numbers. How many ppl actually stop at those charity tables? Of those how many are business owners? Of those how many need a website? Of those how many want to commit to a website on the spot? Of those how many are going to be happy paying $720 a year for a, what I'm guessing is, an extremely simple website.

      It just doesn't seem to add up. I do love the fact tho that you are encouraging people to get out there and try something. There needs to be more of that and a little less of "Make 10 million dollars in 3 seconds using my PROVEN methods". That might be exaggerated, but you get what I'm saying.

      Lastly, with quote:



      I'm not sure how many business owners you know, but $600-$720 a year is not pocket change to a small business owner. Maybe a successful one, but not your average run of the mill trying to make ends meet business owner.

      I hope no one takes this as being negative. I just don't want newbies to go out and try something like this and when they don't see these results they get discouraged and give up.

      Sean
      Sean, I am sorry, but in my experience with a ton of local consultants thus far, that have reached out to me, what I have found EVERY TIME is that they are trying to sell to the WRONG business owners.

      You need to be preaching to the choir, in other words, businesses that already get it, and are already spending money on advertising and thus, you are NOT try to prospect for as you say "run of the mill trying to make ends meet business owner" but rather concentrate the majority of your business on the successful business owners.

      For a successful business owner, I assure you, $600-$720 a year, goes in the miscellaneous column when your monthly nut is 5-6 figures per month.

      I feel for the struggling business owners, I really do, but they are struggling for a reason, they are NOT actively engaged in daily activities to increase their businesses profits.

      They are not investing in activities that will give them a return on their investment.

      A properly designed direct response website and the associated hosting and maintenance is NOT an expense, it is an investment.

      Ciao,
      Evie
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      Originally Posted by rennai View Post

      isn't this quite risky?
      Risky? How so?
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    • Profile picture of the author jspmedia
      Originally Posted by rennai View Post

      isn't this quite risky?
      why do you think it is risky?

      it is upselling business model...
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      • Profile picture of the author T.R. McCarroll
        Evie,

        Thanks for going out there and testing new ways to get more customers and bringing the results back for all to see.

        As for the skeptics here it is great that you contribute for it can make the system only work better by exposing some points that don't work while others find or add to it.

        Always like the recurring part of this business.

        T.R.
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        • Profile picture of the author SpeedyBanana
          I would also be interested in more details as to what the customer gets for $60 a month (ie. how many pages, how many changes, who provides content, etc.)

          Are you signing them up to a contract or can they cancel anytime?

          If you think about it, it's not really a rip off because they're paying it slowly every month. Sure... you could end up paying more over the long term but I believe a lot of small business owners might not be able to or want to pay $1000-2000 up front for a decent website.

          Even if there is no contract and they can cancel anytime I believe a lot of them would probably continue to just pay monthly since $60 a month is not a lot of money. Most business owners probably pay more than that just on their personal cellphone bills. It also seems like a great "get your foot in the door" product to offer. Once they're signed up you can market all kinds of other services to them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
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      Originally Posted by rennai View Post

      isn't this quite risky?
      Risky?

      I suppose getting out of bed every morning is risky.

      This is the same website model a number of public corporations have and are still doing, and most of them are charging much more than $60 a month.

      Ciao,
      Evie
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  • Profile picture of the author Local
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    Okay, I have to crawl back into my Bat Girl cave and get to work.

    Do yourself a favor and go out there and get your "no"... make sure it was a "no" meant for you though and don't live precariously through anyone else's "no"...

    Go out and get your own.

    Fail your way to success, I have sure have!

    Ciao,
    Evie
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  • Profile picture of the author Seantrepreneur
    Sean, I am sorry, but in my experience with a ton of local consultants thus far, that have reached out to me, what I have found EVERY TIME is that they are trying to sell to the WRONG business owners.

    You need to be preaching to the choir, in other words, businesses that already get it, and are already spending money on advertising and thus, you are NOT try to prospect for as you say "run of the mill trying to make ends meet business owner" but rather concentrate the majority of your business on the successful business owners.
    Great point!

    Targeting businesses with larger marketing budgets will surely provide better results.

    Your system seems to be very well oiled and an absolute cash cow. Congrats!

    Sean
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
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      Originally Posted by Seantrepreneur View Post

      Great point!

      Targeting businesses with larger marketing budgets will surely provide better results.

      Your system seems to be very well oiled and an absolute cash cow. Congrats!

      Sean
      Okay, I lied, you got me...

      One last post.

      What I have found is every local consultant or wannabee local consultant, had talent. They had technical knowledge. They were passionate about marketing, about helping business owners.

      Many times, they knew more about making websites, Google Places, SEO/SEM, Facebook fan pages, apps, social media as a whole, than me.

      I'm taking rocket science knowledge, like my hubby.

      They even had a descent sales presentation.

      However, they were talking with the wrong business owners.

      By placing them in from of their TRUE target audience, they would find success.

      It's hard to sell a pair of socks to a legless man.

      Ciao,
      Evie
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        • Profile picture of the author Taloucci
          Evie,

          Can you please explain to me who displays the banner and takes donations for the charity? Your employees or the charity employees?

          Also, would you mind sharing the link of your company? and maybe the link that you send people that donated to actually place their order and maybe order a logo like you said.

          Thank you,
          A
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          • Profile picture of the author professor x
            Originally Posted by Taloucci View Post

            Evie,

            Can you please explain to me who displays the banner and takes donations for the charity? Your employees or the charity employees?

            Also, would you mind sharing the link of your company? and maybe the link that you send people that donated to actually place their order and maybe order a logo like you said.

            Thank you,
            A
            heheh... this could get interesting...
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  • Profile picture of the author Warrior Ben
    Evie,

    I appreciate your response, but I'm not convinced that you are being entirely truthful. I'm trying to be nice and avoid calling you an outright liar. There are many newbies on this forum that read what others say and take it at face value and think that if they go out and do these things, they will see the results that you are proclaiming. A lot of newbies are probably thinking that even if they get a small fraction of the sales you proclaim, they will be happy.

    The reality though is that you will be sending people on a wild goose chase trying to acquire clients. When they not only fail to get the results you are saying, but they get NOTHING from the techniques you give out (specifically referencing your Groupon post), they will get frustrated and give up on offline marketing altogether. If you do in fact have a company as large as you say you do, I'm almost worried that you are purposely misleading potential competitors (other Warriors) by having them focus on ideas that any experienced consultant will look at with major skepticism.

    The reality is that I don't think you have a company as large as you say you do (if you even have one at all). I say this because of the numbers you have given out in different posts of yours just don't make any sense from the perspective of somebody who is actually out there selling.

    From all your strategies for bringing in sales you always seem to mention how many sales a day you are getting from these strategies-- this is what raised the red flags for me. By your own words you are getting at least 50 new clients a day, which is 250 new clients a week. To handle this load of business, you will need to have a support team of at least 100 employees, with that number constantly growing. This isn't even counting your sales reps.

    From my experience in the corporate world and as an entrepreneur, I find it extremely hard to believe you can grow a company at this clip, while working part time as a nurse. There are on average 20 business days a month, so if you are working 11.5 days as a nurse, I just don't see how you can effectively run a company with 100+ employees and offices in 4 or 5 states.

    Beyond bringing in your other posts, there are some things in this thread that you have said that just don't make sense.

    Originally Posted by Local View Post

    We are only 40 days into this, it is that new, but I do believe the opportunity is so big that thousands of local business consultants and web designers could jump on this.
    .......
    The numbers are in and we averaged 22 takers per day, bringing in $440 on average per day for our charity and earning us almost $40,000 (on paper) worth of recurring hosting payments per month.
    So if you are 40 days in and averaging 22 sales per day, that would be 880 sales you have made so far. Yet in another post on this thread you said:

    Originally Posted by Local View Post

    We have already completed over 200 websites for this program thus far with 250+ in the funnel and the response has been very positive from our new clients.
    These numbers don't jive with what you said in your original post. Even if you add the 250 websites in the funnel to the supposed 200 already completed, that is only 450 sites, which is far less than 880. 450 sites at $60/month is less than the $40,000 you say in your original post. These are your numbers Evie, and they just don't' add up.

    Further, you go on to give numbers of Wal-Mart's foot traffic, with the implication being that if 10,000 vehicles are going to Wal-Mart every day, 22 sales out of 10,000 must be reasonable. Here's the problem I have with this: without fail, every single small business owner I know (which is in the hundreds with friends, family, and clients) avoids Wal-Mart like the plague. They don't shop there because no small business owner wants to support the behemoth that puts small business out of business. I'm from Oregon, so maybe we are a little liberal up here, but I have yet to meet a small business owner that supports Wal-Mart by shopping there. So that number of 10,000+ people going there a day is a red herring-- I would be surprised if even 22 small business owners shop at an individual Wal-Mart in any given day. Again, this just doesn't make sense.

    I understand that I've really picked this apart, but I want to end with the one thing that tells me 100% without a doubt that you are not being honest about your "sales team".

    Originally Posted by Local View Post

    I did a little brainstorming with my San Diego sales team and one of our sales reps, who is a Marine at Camp Pendelton, and volunteers with a veteran's group that helps wounded soldiers with housing, education and employment.
    Anybody who has been in the Marines knows that if you are at Camp Pendleton you are on active duty. (So don't say he's a part time Marine or a Reservist!) When you are on active duty you are already working a full time 9 - 5 job as a Marine. There is no way a Marine would also have the time to be a sales rep for you. And here's the kicker-- even if a Marine wanted to work for you, they couldn't because Military regulation prohibits enlisted members from simultaneously having a job in the civilian sector. I imagine you threw in this Marine/Camp Pendleton detail in your original post to add credibility to your story, but the devil is in the details, and you are clearly not being truthful about this aspect of your supposed sales team.

    Combined with all the other things you say that just don't add up, I feel you are really misleading Warriors with what can be expected when they enter the world of offline marketing. In the end Warriors will end up getting frustrated and feeling like they just don't have what it takes because they won't experience anything near the results of what you are stating. The reality is that NOBODY experiences the results you state because they are flat out unrealistic.

    I'm not trying to attack you personally Evie, but your own numbers that you freely give out just don't add up. You have your fans and admirers, but I have a feeling that anybody who is a real offline marketer, with active paying clients, sees through your charade.

    I welcome any comments if people think I'm off base (or spot on) here...

    -Ben
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    • Profile picture of the author professor x
      Originally Posted by Warrior Ben View Post

      Evie,
      I appreciate your response, but I'm not convinced that you are being entirely truthful. I'm trying to be nice and avoid calling you an outright liar. There are many newbies on this forum that read what others say and take it at face value and think that if they go out and do these things, they will see the results that you are proclaiming. A lot of newbies are probably thinking that even if they get a small fraction of the sales you proclaim, they will be happy.

      The reality though is that you will be sending people on a wild goose chase trying to acquire clients. When they not only fail to get the results you are saying, but they get NOTHING from the techniques you give out (specifically referencing your Groupon post), they will get frustrated and give up on offline marketing altogether. If you do in fact have a company as large as you say you do, I'm almost worried that you are purposely misleading potential competitors (other Warriors) by having them focus on ideas that any experienced consultant will look at with major skepticism.
      1. What Evie is doing requires preparation (materials, details, legal contract, etc) and another party (non-profit/charity) in order to even try this out. If they can't even get a non-profit to participate, the only time wasted was the phone call(s) and time to go meet/discuss the details with the charity;

      2. Once you are working with a charity (and presuming they have the relationship with the venue/business to setup shop), the next task is to spend a day ...or maybe 3 days for a decent test run for a glimpse of effectiveness (success? fail?)... each day or hour or whatever increment, you can adjust your approach and have ready answers to FAQ

      3. The total cost of testing this? Get the charity to split cost on banner... if not... out of pocket... what? $100 - i really dunno... educate volunteers on offer... supply them w/materials...

      What kind of risk are we putting out there to the "newbies?" It was already mentioned that this wasn't a proven system... just something that happened to have great results for her, right?

      The reality is that I don't think you have a company as large as you say you do (if you even have one at all). I say this because of the numbers you have given out in different posts of yours just don't make any sense from the perspective of somebody who is actually out there selling.
      How is this relevant/pertinent to her suggestion/post? She's talking about her experiment and sharing it with the group to try. She's not even selling a system.

      From all your strategies for bringing in sales you always seem to mention how many sales a day you are getting from these strategies-- this is what raised the red flags for me. By your own words you are getting at least 50 new clients a day, which is 250 new clients a week. To handle this load of business, you will need to have a support team of at least 100 employees, with that number constantly growing. This isn't even counting your sales reps.
      Loose numbers to make a point. The point is to go where the numbers are. This is one approach to selling services that she tried out. As for supporting the growth... really? Do you know her infrastructure? Clearly, you need to be prepared to handle volume. I believe she mentioned she was backed up already.

      Anyway... have you ever considered that work could be outsourced to be done while she's sleeping - quite a common phenomenon for putting together a template website these days.

      All she's doing is saying: "wow, this works! check this out!" and fellow warriors can decide to put some of their own effort in to try it out themselves. Evie hasn't even shared the details of how she is managing all this, and I wouldn't expect her to either!

      So if you are 40 days in and averaging 22 sales per day, that would be 880 sales you have made so far. Yet in another post on this thread you said:



      These numbers don't jive with what you said in your original post. Even if you add the 250 websites in the funnel to the supposed 200 already completed, that is only 450 sites, which is far less than 880. 450 sites at $60/month is less than the $40,000 you say in your original post. These are your numbers Evie, and they just don't' add up.
      I see your point. These are details, and sure... 1+1 may not =2 from the different posts (at different times/days) she's made... i dunno what the cause for discrepancy. My question, despite the discrepancy (for lack of facts and more data to support discrepancy)... WHAT DOES SHE HAVE TO GAIN FROM MAKING THIS POST UP? Is she a newbie to the forum like I am, or has she been here beyond 3mo's consistently posting/responding? I have no idea her reputation here. Worst case, tho, she has more to lose as a regular avatar/user in this forum. And wow... what a waste of time to make up stories.

      If anything, this is another idea of how to gain customers by a win-win-win model. does it work? well, for those who have the time and motivation, they can find out for themselves with little cost/effort/time. and if they don't have that luxury, then they just read it as another inspirational or quackery post.

      Further you go on to give numbers of Wal-Mart's foot traffic, with the implication being that if 10,000 vehicles are going to Wal-Mart every day, 22 sales out of 10,000 must be reasonable. Here's the problem I have with this: without fail, every single small business owner I know (which is in the hundreds with friends, family, and clients) avoids Wal-Mart like the plague. They don't shop there because no small business owner wants to support the behemoth that puts small business out of business. I'm from Oregon, so maybe we are a little liberal up here, but I have yet to meet a small business owner that supports Wal-Mart by shopping there. So that number of 10,000+ people going there a day is a red herring-- I would be surprised if even 22 small business owners shop at a Wal-Mart in any single day. Again, this just doesn't make sense.
      This is sheer conjecture... as anecdotal as Evie's post. While not scientific, she's supposedly drawing from her recent data/experience. alas, the numbers per her posts did not quite compute.... or was it projecting numbers beyond what she shared that did not compute? btw, while $40k is far less than 450 sites, maybe she failed to mention upsells and other followups that occurred after the sale? I'm sure there's a lot more to the story that she didn't bother to detail. but it begs the question... I don't get what she has to gain... or even what she's really selling here. She has no motivation to sell a system or a product or a service. But I guess that just puts her post on equal ground w/the rest of us who are posting w/nothing to sell or gain. only to express our opinions and share our experiences.

      I dunno... MAYBE she's a liar and likes the attention her posts generate. I don't see that as a long lasting strategy for her rep tho. but who knows!?

      I understand that I've really picked this apart, but I want to end with the one thing that tells me 100% for sure that you are not being honest about your sales team.



      Anybody who has been in the Marines knows that if you are at Camp Pendleton you are on active duty. (So don't say he's a part time Marine or a Reservist!) When you are on active duty you are already working a full 9 - 5 job as a Marine. There is no way a Marine would also have the time to be a sales rep for you. And here's the kicker-- even if a Marine wanted to work for you, they couldn't because Military regulation prohibits enlisted members from simultaneously having a job in the civilian sector. I imagine you threw in this Marine/Camp Pendleton detail in your original post to add credibility to your story, but the devil is in the details, and you are clearly not being truthful about this aspect of your sales team.
      I wouldn't necessarily be forthcoming about how I made it work either. that's up to YOU to figure out how to support the traffic buying your services. If you can't make it work, then obviously what she has to say is of no value to you.

      If this works, and I love this idea (can you tell), I can DEFINITELY make it work. She just handed me a golden nugget. is it false gold? haha... well... if i can't make it work, that doesn't prove anything... it only proves that it didn't work for me due to time, location, strategy, preparation, organization, approach, etc. does that invalidate her experience? no... just validates that my set of criteria attempting her idea did not work for me at the time. iterative exploration is required... or not... PERIOD.

      Combined with all the other things you say that just don't add up, I feel you are really misleading Warriors with what can be expected when they enter the world of offline marketing. In the end Warriors will end up getting frustrated and feeling like they just don't have what it takes because they won't experience anything near the results of what you are stating. The reality is that NOBODY experiences the results you state because they are flat out unrealistic.
      per what you've tried and done and experienced, yes... unrealistic. it's crazy how subjective "unrealistic" can really be though.

      I'm not trying to attack you personally Evie, but your own numbers that you freely give out just don't add up. You have your fans and admirers, but I have a feeling that anybody who is a real offline marketer, with active paying clients, sees through your charade.

      I welcome any comments if people think I'm off base (or spot on) here...

      -Ben
      Again, I don't see her angle/motivation to mislead. She's not even selling anything to us... or maybe i just missed that.

      This could just ruin her reputation if her "charade" is discovered. Again, not a good longterm strategy for posting and making friends in a forum like this. social currency would be wiped inevitably if she's the charlatan you seem to believe her to be.
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      • Profile picture of the author ginder
        Originally Posted by professor x View Post

        1. What Evie is doing requires preparation (materials, details, legal contract, etc) and another party (non-profit/charity) in order to even try this out. If they can't even get a non-profit to participate, the only time wasted was the phone call(s) and time to go meet/discuss the details with the charity;

        2. Once you are working with a charity (and presuming they have the relationship with the venue/business to setup shop), the next task is to spend a day ...or maybe 3 days for a decent test run for a glimpse of effectiveness (success? fail?)... each day or hour or whatever increment, you can adjust your approach and have ready answers to FAQ

        3. The total cost of testing this? Get the charity to split cost on banner... if not... out of pocket... what? $100 - i really dunno... educate volunteers on offer... supply them w/materials...

        What kind of risk are we putting out there to the "newbies?" It was already mentioned that this wasn't a proven system... just something that happened to have great results for her, right?



        How is this relevant/pertinent to her suggestion/post? She's talking about her experiment and sharing it with the group to try. She's not even selling a system.



        Loose numbers to make a point. The point is to go where the numbers are. This is one approach to selling services that she tried out. As for supporting the growth... really? Do you know her infrastructure? Clearly, you need to be prepared to handle volume. I believe she mentioned she was backed up already.

        Anyway... have you ever considered that work could be outsourced to be done while she's sleeping - quite a common phenomenon for putting together a template website these days.

        All she's doing is saying: "wow, this works! check this out!" and fellow warriors can decide to put some of their own effort in to try it out themselves. Evie hasn't even shared the details of how she is managing all this, and I wouldn't expect her to either!



        I see your point. These are details, and sure... 1+1 may not =2 from the different posts (at different times/days) she's made... i dunno what the cause for discrepancy. My question, despite the discrepancy (for lack of facts and more data to support discrepancy)... WHAT DOES SHE HAVE TO GAIN FROM MAKING THIS POST UP? Is she a newbie to the forum like I am, or has she been here beyond 3mo's consistently posting/responding? I have no idea her reputation here. Worst case, tho, she has more to lose as a regular avatar/user in this forum. And wow... what a waste of time to make up stories.

        If anything, this is another idea of how to gain customers by a win-win-win model. does it work? well, for those who have the time and motivation, they can find out for themselves with little cost/effort/time. and if they don't have that luxury, then they just read it as another inspirational or quackery post.



        This is sheer conjecture... as anecdotal as Evie's post. While not scientific, she's supposedly drawing from her recent data/experience. alas, the numbers per her posts did not quite compute.... or was it projecting numbers beyond what she shared that did not compute? btw, while $40k is far less than 450 sites, maybe she failed to mention upsells and other followups that occurred after the sale? I'm sure there's a lot more to the story that she didn't bother to detail. but it begs the question... I don't get what she has to gain... or even what she's really selling here. She has no motivation to sell a system or a product or a service. But I guess that just puts her post on equal ground w/the rest of us who are posting w/nothing to sell or gain. only to express our opinions and share our experiences.

        I dunno... MAYBE she's a liar and likes the attention her posts generate. I don't see that as a long lasting strategy for her rep tho. but who knows!?



        I wouldn't necessarily be forthcoming about how I made it work either. that's up to YOU to figure out how to support the traffic buying your services. If you can't make it work, then obviously what she has to say is of no value to you.

        If this works, and I love this idea (can you tell), I can DEFINITELY make it work. She just handed me a golden nugget. is it false gold? haha... well... if i can't make it work, that doesn't prove anything... it only proves that it didn't work for me due to time, location, strategy, preparation, organization, approach, etc. does that invalidate her experience? no... just validates that my set of criteria attempting her idea did not work for me at the time. iterative exploration is required... or not... PERIOD.



        per what you've tried and done and experienced, yes... unrealistic. it's crazy how subjective "unrealistic" can really be though.



        Again, I don't see her angle/motivation to mislead. She's not even selling anything to us... or maybe i just missed that.

        This could just ruin her reputation if her "charade" is discovered. Again, not a good longterm strategy for posting and making friends in a forum like this. social currency would be wiped inevitably if she's the charlatan you seem to believe her to be.
        Did you just join the forum today? Maybe after this thread? hmmm

        Whatever dude, do what you like. If you think there is money in it go for it. You will soon realize that selling someone something for free is just as hard as selling the same thing for $10,000 if you dont educate the person about the value of what he is getting.

        Maybe I am the only one who has experienced that but I am not talking out of my ass, making up bs numbers.

        People who work the streets in this business can smell bs from miles away. I dont know much about Ben except that I have seen some valuable posts from him. I dont know how experienced he is and knowledgeable he is but he knows enough to know whats true and whats bs and the day you learn that is the day you become successful in this business.

        Goodluck selling people websites for "free". If you are willing to accept an advice from me, sell the same website for $3500. It will be just as hard and you will feel like you accomplished something.

        Peace!
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        • Profile picture of the author professor x
          Originally Posted by ginder View Post

          Did you just join the forum today? Maybe after this thread? hmmm

          Whatever dude, do what you like. If you think there is money in it go for it. You will soon realize that selling someone something for free is just as hard as selling the same thing for $10,000 if you dont educate the person about the value of what he is getting.

          Maybe I am the only one who has experienced that but I am not talking out of my ass, making up bs numbers.

          People who work the streets in this business can smell bs from miles away. I dont know much about Ben except that I have seen some valuable posts from him. I dont know how experienced he is and knowledgeable he is but he knows enough to know whats true and whats bs and the day you learn that is the day you become successful in this business.

          Goodluck selling people websites for "free". If you are willing to accept an advice from me, sell the same website for $3500. It will be just as hard and you will feel like you accomplished something.

          Peace!
          yup, just joined yesterday... how can you tell??? haha... it's too bad i can't pm til i hit my 50 post quota. oh well. anyway... the takeaway from this (for me at least) is the idea of relationship leverage. not just that, but the trends you're working with/going for you:

          traffic, good cause, value add offer, contribution, and relationship enhancement (prospect, org, your biz)... oh ya, and tax write off.

          if walmart doesn't work, that's only one part of the equation. the idea is definitely worth exploring. clearly if one were to get stuck in the details of 1-2-3 instructional steps, I think they'd be missing the value of this share.
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
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      Originally Posted by Warrior Ben View Post

      Evie,

      I appreciate your response, but I'm not convinced that you are being entirely truthful. I'm trying to be nice and avoid calling you an outright liar. There are many newbies on this forum that read what others say and take it at face value and think that if they go out and do these things, they will see the results that you are proclaiming. A lot of newbies are probably thinking that even if they get a small fraction of the sales you proclaim, they will be happy.

      The reality though is that you will be sending people on a wild goose chase trying to acquire clients. When they not only fail to get the results you are saying, but they get NOTHING from the techniques you give out (specifically referencing your Groupon post), they will get frustrated and give up on offline marketing altogether. If you do in fact have a company as large as you say you do, I'm almost worried that you are purposely misleading potential competitors (other Warriors) by having them focus on ideas that any experienced consultant will look at with major skepticism.

      The reality is that I don't think you have a company as large as you say you do (if you even have one at all). I say this because of the numbers you have given out in different posts of yours just don't make any sense from the perspective of somebody who is actually out there selling.

      From all your strategies for bringing in sales you always seem to mention how many sales a day you are getting from these strategies-- this is what raised the red flags for me. By your own words you are getting at least 50 new clients a day, which is 250 new clients a week. To handle this load of business, you will need to have a support team of at least 100 employees, with that number constantly growing. This isn't even counting your sales reps.

      From my experience in the corporate world and as an entrepreneur, I find it extremely hard to believe you can grow a company at this clip, while working part time as a nurse. There are on average 20 business days a month, so if you are working 11.5 days as a nurse, I just don't see how you can effectively run a company with 100+ employees and offices in 4 or 5 states.

      Beyond bringing in your other posts, there are some things in this thread that you have said that just don't make sense.



      So if you are 40 days in and averaging 22 sales per day, that would be 880 sales you have made so far. Yet in another post on this thread you said:



      These numbers don't jive with what you said in your original post. Even if you add the 250 websites in the funnel to the supposed 200 already completed, that is only 450 sites, which is far less than 880. 450 sites at $60/month is less than the $40,000 you say in your original post. These are your numbers Evie, and they just don't' add up.

      Further, you go on to give numbers of Wal-Mart's foot traffic, with the implication being that if 10,000 vehicles are going to Wal-Mart every day, 22 sales out of 10,000 must be reasonable. Here's the problem I have with this: without fail, every single small business owner I know (which is in the hundreds with friends, family, and clients) avoids Wal-Mart like the plague. They don't shop there because no small business owner wants to support the behemoth that puts small business out of business. I'm from Oregon, so maybe we are a little liberal up here, but I have yet to meet a small business owner that supports Wal-Mart by shopping there. So that number of 10,000+ people going there a day is a red herring-- I would be surprised if even 22 small business owners shop at an individual Wal-Mart in any given day. Again, this just doesn't make sense.

      I understand that I've really picked this apart, but I want to end with the one thing that tells me 100% without a doubt that you are not being honest about your "sales team".



      Anybody who has been in the Marines knows that if you are at Camp Pendleton you are on active duty. (So don't say he's a part time Marine or a Reservist!) When you are on active duty you are already working a full time 9 - 5 job as a Marine. There is no way a Marine would also have the time to be a sales rep for you. And here's the kicker-- even if a Marine wanted to work for you, they couldn't because Military regulation prohibits enlisted members from simultaneously having a job in the civilian sector. I imagine you threw in this Marine/Camp Pendleton detail in your original post to add credibility to your story, but the devil is in the details, and you are clearly not being truthful about this aspect of your supposed sales team.

      Combined with all the other things you say that just don't add up, I feel you are really misleading Warriors with what can be expected when they enter the world of offline marketing. In the end Warriors will end up getting frustrated and feeling like they just don't have what it takes because they won't experience anything near the results of what you are stating. The reality is that NOBODY experiences the results you state because they are flat out unrealistic.

      I'm not trying to attack you personally Evie, but your own numbers that you freely give out just don't add up. You have your fans and admirers, but I have a feeling that anybody who is a real offline marketer, with active paying clients, sees through your charade.

      I welcome any comments if people think I'm off base (or spot on) here...

      -Ben
      Gosh Ben, just because I turned you down and wouldn't sext with you on Skype!

      ;-)

      Objects in webcam are smaller than they appear, huh big boy, or shall I say Big Ben Warrior Muffin?

      Seriously though, mama always said if you don't have something nice to say then don't say anything at all.

      Your anger sure came out in that post though, like someone was challenging your manhood or something.

      Good gosh almighty...

      This is just a board to communicate ideas.

      And enough with the psycho babble, I like throwing stuff out there different team members and partners are playing with to stimulate other ideas, criticisms, different point of views, etc.

      And I enjoy the PM dialogs that result and can possible lead to a JV or two.

      But you are right, I am not 100% truthful when I post stuff we are testing, usually it is by omission to prevent the innocent and protect our own business.

      I have been burned more than once.

      But it is not meant to cause any one any harm, but I want to share but I do have to protect our businesses.

      Let me make some additional clarifications for those that are still interested.

      First, those of you that felt it was necessary to contact me in an attempt to egg me on or have me get into some kind of "flamefest" please remove me from your contacts. I don't appreciate it.

      I despise negativity and this sort of nonsense is never productive.

      And please, don't stick up for me, I am a big girl and trust me, I can handle myself quite well, thank you very much.

      My accounting in regards to our charity website test was called into question.

      Let me type this as slowly as possible.

      Out of all the sales, at the time I reported this, only about 450 had completed the initial form we emailed them.

      Please don't pin me down, but I believe there was almost 900 sales.

      And business owners don't go to Walmart?

      Serious dude?

      Holy cow!

      And the Marine that works for us as a sales rep, IS a Marine at Camp Pendelton. He was injured while in Afghanistan and is being rehabbed for a new occupation. During that rehab, he works for us. We also have other active duty military working in our Oceanside office, should I tell them they can't?

      Good grief that was an ignorant statement and it makes me see red.

      And by the way, if I in anyway, give off the impression that I am some know it all, I sincerely apologize. Quite the opposite.

      If I talked about all of my failures, I'd be called a failure.

      I believe in fact I have talked in the past about failing myself to success.

      But the reality is ALL of my success is due to the incredible people that work with me and my office partners.

      Each office requires 5 people to manage different departments, and then our sales managers, sales reps, telemarketing manager, telemarketers and web development team.

      And whatever our businesses income is, it isn't like I am keeping it all myself.

      The facts be known, I have not drawn a salary and only earn money from my personal deals.

      And you say from your experience in the "corporate world" and I agree 100%, the corporate world SUCKS. They are slow, inefficient and top heavy in bureaucratic nonsense.

      Lastly, I am a nurse anesthetist, I don't expect you to know that, or understand the difference between a nurse anesthetist and a nurse.

      Nor would you know that the majority of our shifts is on stand by, giving us lots of downtime. When we are needed, we are there with bells on.

      Besides, as I have said time and again, the idea was to build a real business that I didn't have to babysit. These offices don't need me to be there.

      Ciao,
      Evie
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  • Profile picture of the author ginder
    I am not trying to start **** but come on WTF??

    I have been following a couple of your threads. First time I noticed your sneaky techniques was when you came out with that super great unique payment method to get people to sign up to your list and obviously you couldnt afford few dollars to make a WSO thread so you decided to make BS threads here with ridiculous claims like "Paypal put a hold on my $300,000" "now they are sorry because I am switching payment providers and they are begging me to come back"

    Look I get it, you are trying to do the same thing as every other person on this forum "make money" but have some respect for this field. Do not trash this field like "online marketing" has already been trashed by all the gurus making absurd claims.

    You claim to have offices in every city. "Today I talked to my San Diego office team" "Yesterday I had a meeting with my New York office team" "Enjoying my vacation in vegas having a conference with my Cali team"

    Lets just take a look at your last few threads. Yea you come up with some great ideas that sound good in theory but I can bet my dic* they cannot work in real life. Just like how some knowledgeable folks here caught some of the discrepancies in your last threads aswell as this one.

    Few days ago you were claiming to have one salesman making you millions off of groupon. Today you are setting up free websites making $9000 per month within days.

    Yea 5 years ago, I had the idea of giving away free websites. I had all the resources and everything in place aswell and I thought I would be a millionaire in 30 days. Everything looked good on paper but it failed miserably. Just like how there are still people out there trying to sell the idea of giving away free websites and making money off of hosting! Do you know a single person who has had wild success with that idea? Except you ofcourse

    If you know anything about sales then you will know that you still have to make a sale even if you are giving something away for free and it is just as hard as putting a price tag on it and showing value. People dont like to be sold!

    I am not claiming that I am "know it all" but anyone who is even mildly successful in offline marketing and who understands how hard it is and how persistent and focused you have to be can call BULLSHI* on all your ideas. They look good on paper! they sound amazing to those who havent worked the streets but people who know their shi* are getting tired of BS like this.

    I am not as successful as a lot of people here but even with the little success I have had, I am too busy to be coming up with bs and posting here (No offense to those who add real value to this forum and are dedicated and focused enough to find time off of their real work to post here"

    I know one thing for a fact, anyone who is making $3 million a month like you claimed in one of your post cannot possibly have time to come up with bs like this and post here.

    Your threads and ideas sound like what I was going through a year ago. Thinking about ideas 24/7 without taking action. Getting excited about one thing which sounds too good in theory and never giving it a try before I came up with another unique get rich quick idea. Yea those who know what the real deal is in this business will know exactly what I am talking about and probably everyone of them have been through that stage.

    I suggest that you dont let your mind wander around and keep coming up with ideas and instead pick one thing and be real successful at it before you come up with something else.

    This business is no game and there are no shortcuts of making millions in few days.

    Truth is you seem to have no fuc*ing idea what it takes to build a $100000+/year business which you claim to have build in 30 days and now you can sit for rest of your life making a 100k.

    Thanks for wasting my damn time

    Peace!

    P.S:Apologies for the language, I dont say much. Dont feel the need to open my mouth but when I do, I say whats on my mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author Warrior Ben
    Professor X,

    The reason that I decided to finally speak up on this is because I share some of the same frustrations and concerns that Ginder brings up. I've seen a lot of Evie's posts and they seem to make sense in theory, but in reality they lead Warriors down a path sure to be filled with frustration and disappointment.

    The post that really sent red flags up for me to start questioning things was her Groupon post last week. The reason being is that I had previously tried the exact same method that she was saying she had so much success with-- selling SMS/Text Messaging services to businesses who were running Groupons. In theory it made perfect sense-- these businesses were going to have an influx of customers and I could help them capture those customers into a database that they could market to in the future. It is well known that businesses have a hard time retaining customers after running a Groupon, so I thought this filled a need and would actually sell itself.

    The reality was very much different when I started calling businesses. I found that I was not getting a single appointment with businesses running Groupons. I tweaked my script slightly to reference the business running a Groupon and how I could help them capture the customers, but the results were horrible. I gave it a couple weeks of trying, but had ZERO success. This drove me nuts because I am able to set appointments quite easily and do so on a daily basis, but for some reason the Groupon leads were not converting to appointments like other leads I would call.

    As I dug into this a little more I realized it is because of one simple fact-- Groupon scares businesses with legal action if they sign up with another company for marketing services. Any marketing services, not just going with other daily deal sites. They have a generic "Welcome/Here's what to expect on the day of your deal" e-mail that goes out to their merchants a few days before the deal that clearly states to expect a lot of sales calls and that the merchant needs to ignore them because of the non-compete they signed.

    This fact was confirmed to me when a prospect who told me she was going to buy my SMS services after she got the money from running Groupon in the next month (but didn't have the exact date yet), called me back right before the Groupon ran and told me she had to wait 3 months before signing up with me. I asked her why and she told me because of their non-compete and she didn't want to do anything to get into legal trouble with Groupon.

    I know I've gone off topic from this thread a little bit, but the reason I say this is because if Evie was actually out there having her "sales reps" call businesses running Groupons, I guarantee she would have ran into the same problem I did. Instead, she backs up her idea of calling businesses running Groupons by saying that she is making 5 to 8 sales a day; in only 3 markets at that! If she was getting even 1 sale a day I would be surprised, but one of her reps making 5 to 8 sales a day? Baloney!


    Originally Posted by professor x View Post

    What kind of risk are we putting out there to the "newbies?" It was already mentioned that this wasn't a proven system... just something that happened to have great results for her, right?
    First off it is interesting that you use the "we" in this sentence, leading me to question who is really behind this account that just started posting today... At any rate, the risk to Warriors in sharing these ideas and then saying they have already been successfully implemented with great results is that they flat out waste Warrior's time.

    I'm all for people sharing ideas or putting suggestions out there for ways to get new clients, but when a story is made up about how this has already been tried and tested, it is essentially giving credibility to an unproven idea. I imagine that most real offline consultants (the ones with paying clients), find the idea of selling websites in a Wal-Mart parking lot laughable. Even more laughable is the idea that you can consistently sell over 20 a day for over a month straight! However, if you are a newbie and reading a post from somebody who claims to make $360k a month and has offices all over the US, what are you supposed to think? You'll probably latch on to the idea as being viable and end up wasting a bunch of time if you decide to move forward with it.

    Time is the big risk here-- we all have 1,440 minutes in a day. It's the common denominator amongst us all. No matter how much money is in our bank account, no matter how "successful" we may be in business or life, we all have the same amount of time in a day. If a new Warrior decides to implement the sales strategy that Evie lays out in this post, they will end up wasting at least a week of their time-- and that's if they move quickly! Not only will they not get their time back, but they will end up frustrated and confused as to why they are not getting even a fraction of the results of what others are saying they are getting.

    In response to me questioning the size of Evie's company, you asked:

    Originally Posted by professor x View Post

    How is this relevant/pertinent to her suggestion/post? She's talking about her experiment and sharing it with the group to try.
    The size of her company is relevant because she has been backing up these client acquisition strategies by saying these are things that her large multi-state sales organization implements. She is trying to make her ideas sound credible by making it seem as if these are things that are working for a large company, thus giving the impression that it is a no brainer for newbies to try these methods. Again, she is just leading uninformed folks down a path that will end up in frustration and disappointment.


    Originally Posted by professor x View Post

    Loose numbers to make a point. The point is to go where the numbers are. This is one approach to selling services that she tried out.
    The problem with the argument of using loose numbers to make a point is that Evie replied to my first comment in this thread by saying, "These numbers are OUR exact numbers for this test." If she is going to proclaim to use exact numbers, then they better add up. Either way she is lying about the numbers or lying about them being exact. If she's lying about one thing, then what else is she not being truthful about?


    Originally Posted by professor x View Post

    have you ever considered that work could be outsourced to be done while she's sleeping - quite a common phenomenon for putting together a template website these days.
    Absolutely I've thought of this... But again, for anybody who is a real offline consultant they know that outsourcing doesn't completely eliminate work. It's not a one to one ratio of time saved. What I mean by this is that if you have to outsource 2 hours of work, you are not actually saving yourself 2 hours of time-- you are actually only saving yourself an hour of time because you still have to spend time managing the outsourcer. And just like everybody else, outsourcers have their limits. If you start throwing 22 websites a day for them to create, they are going to get overbooked and fall behind. You then have to spend additional time looking for new outsourcers. If she's getting 1,000 new clients a month, managing all the outsourcers is going to take more than one employee. That's just reality.


    Originally Posted by professor x View Post

    I wouldn't necessarily be forthcoming about how I made it work either. that's up to YOU to figure out how to support the traffic buying your services. If you can't make it work, then obviously what she has to say is of no value to you.
    You gave the above quote in response to me questioning her having an employee that is also in the Marines at Camp Pendleton. You completely overlooked what I had to say and in all honesty this is something verifiable that I know she is not telling the truth about. If a Marine is at Camp Pendleton, they are on active duty. If they are on active duty, they have a full time job and are also prohibited from having another job in the civilian sector. Again, I believe the was trying to add details to give credibility to her made up story, but reality doesn't support her statements. If she is lying about this specific detail, what else is she lying about? It throws everything into question for me.


    Originally Posted by professor x View Post

    My question, despite the discrepancy (for lack of facts and more data to support discrepancy)... WHAT DOES SHE HAVE TO GAIN FROM MAKING THIS POST UP?
    This was actually a question on my mind too-- what's her angle for just making stuff up? I only took a couple psychology classes in college, so I'm far from an expert, but I would guess it is that she likes sharing these ideas and then having all these people fawn over her like she is some all knowing goddess. I have made quite a few posts on WF where I have been complimented for sharing my knowledge. You know what? IT FEELS GOOD!! I enjoy knowing that I've helped others out and that maybe something I wrote has lead them to take action or given them a new perspective on something to try. I'm sure Evie gets the same feeling when people compliment her on her posts. The problem is that she is trying to portray herself as an expert by saying she runs a multi-state company that brings in millions of revenue every year (all part time, mind you!) and it is obvious to any of us real marketers that she is just full of it. Bottom line, I think she's living a fantasy on this forum and she loves having people perceive her as an expert.

    I challenge anybody here to go read her posts and try to find some real gold nuggets. All I've found is ideas that sound good in theory, but have no basis in reality. Her lack of specifics show that she doesn't have the knowledge she proclaims to have or that she is actually out there doing these things.

    My advice to newbies: Be aware of investing too much of your valuable time in ideas that have supposedly worked for Evie because you will learn the hard way they are not as great as they may seem.

    -Ben

    P.S. I'm not trying to proclaim myself as some sort of expert either. The knowledge that I do share is what has worked for me and what I have learned from actually being in the field, not just reading other threads or WSO's. I have never disclosed the size of my company or how much money I make every month. It's really nobody's business. If you have read my advice on other threads you know that it stands on it's own and I don't need to make up fake stories of getting 20 sales a day to add credibility to what I write.
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    • Profile picture of the author Orangebl00d
      I'd be interested in the process by which you were allowed to set up a for profit venture in front of a Walmart? Did you have to get corporate approval , or just approved by the local store?
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      • Profile picture of the author SpeedyBanana
        Perhaps when she mentioned 22 sales a day on average she meant people who donated $20 to the charity to find out how to get a free website. It might not mean that all of them actually signed up after getting all of the info.


        However, that point aside, I also don't think much of what she says adds up if you start to dig in deeper. If her posts are truthful and not just delusional stories, then she's running a business that brings in a few million dollars in revenue per year... all part-time! Anyone with a little bit of common sense would have their BS detector go right off the chart as soon as they heard that.

        As Warrior Ben mentioned, outsourcing doesn't mean it frees up all of your time. The amount of employees you would need to help you create and manage even 10 new clients/websites a day for 40 days would be pretty significant.

        Working as a nurse part time also makes no sense what so ever. If your business averages 6 figures a month, with multiple offices and a couple dozen employees... you would likely not have the extra time to put in working at a hospital. Also... what would be the point? She has a fetish for putting people to sleep? I mean seriously... who could think of a logical reason for continuing to be a nurse anesthetist when making that much money? Even if she really enjoyed helping at the hospital, if she was running a multi-million dollar business, it would make more sense to work those 11-12 days a month making more money and simply donating it to the hospital.

        There's no need to point out every little incongruity... suffice to say anyone with either experience or common sense is going to find her posts a little far-fetched. There could also be many reasons for making up stories as well. She could be trying to build up reputation to later put out a WSO... or more likely... simply enjoys the attention. You don't need to have a degree is psychology to understand why people show off, brag, lie, over exaggerate, etc.

        At the end of the day thought, I actually do enjoy her posts. They can be motivational and the ideas can work. Anything that gets ideas flowing is a good thing in my opinion. I think as long as you take what she says with a grain of salt and not get over excited you can likely find a lot of value in what she writes.
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    • Profile picture of the author RRG
      Originally Posted by Warrior Ben View Post

      This was actually a question on my mind too-- what's her angle for just making stuff up? I only took a couple psychology classes in college, so I'm far from an expert, but I would guess it is that she likes sharing these ideas and then having all these people fawn over her like she is some all knowing goddess.
      Hmmm . . . does this remind anyone of another prominent poster on this forum?
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    • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
      Originally Posted by Warrior Ben View Post


      As I dug into this a little more I realized it is because of one simple fact-- Groupon scares businesses with legal action if they sign up with another company for marketing services. Any marketing services, not just going with other daily deal sites. They have a generic "Welcome/Here's what to expect on the day of your deal" e-mail that goes out to their merchants a few days before the deal that clearly states to expect a lot of sales calls and that the merchant needs to ignore them because of the non-compete they signed.

      This fact was confirmed to me when a prospect who told me she was going to buy my SMS services after she got the money from running Groupon in the next month (but didn't have the exact date yet), called me back right before the Groupon ran and told me she had to wait 3 months before signing up with me. I asked her why and she told me because of their non-compete and she didn't want to do anything to get into legal trouble with Groupon.
      Hi Ben, just a quick question. Do you have an access to that "non-compete" agreement?

      I'd love to read it!

      I find it hard to believe that signing up for SMS service or installing aweber
      would be basis for a lawsuit... Groupon would never win that in the court...
      As a matter of fact they'd probably get counter-sued for it... successfully :-)

      I don't believe that's what they meant, but I'd like to see it anyway.

      Thomas
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      • Profile picture of the author Local
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        Originally Posted by SirThomas View Post

        Hi Ben, just a quick question. Do you have an access to that "non-compete" agreement?

        I'd love to read it!

        I find it hard to believe that signing up for SMS service or installing aweber
        would be basis for a lawsuit... Groupon would never win that in the court...
        As a matter of fact they'd probably get counter-sued for it... successfully :-)

        I don't believe that's what they meant, but I'd like to see it anyway.

        Thomas
        This is the closest thing to a non-compete I could find from a contract dated August 4th, 2011 was this paragraph "Merchant agrees that Merchant will not promote an online offer with respect to the products or services described in the Terms of similar or greater value for a period up to 60 days from the Effective Date, plus a minimum of 60 days following the Merchant's date of feature on the Groupon Website. " below.

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        2. Term and Termination. This Agreement shall continue in effect for the longer of one (1) year following the Effective Date or the last date when a customer of Groupon redeems a Voucher offered by Merchant through Groupon. Groupon may terminate this Agreement at any time for any reason by giving the Merchant written notice of such termination. The expiration of the Term shall not in any way affect the purchaser's usage of the Voucher, or Merchant's obligation for redemption of the Voucher. Upon execution of the Agreement, Merchant agrees that Merchant will not promote an online offer with respect to the products or services described in the Terms of similar or greater value for a period up to 60 days from the Effective Date, plus a minimum of 60 days following the Merchant's date of feature on the Groupon Website. Sections 3, 4, 5, 6 and any claims for payments due Groupon hereunder shall survive any expiration or termination of this Agreement.

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        Ciao,
        Evie
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        • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
          Originally Posted by Local View Post

          This is the closest thing to a non-compete I could find from a contract dated August 4th, 2011 was this paragraph "Merchant agrees that Merchant will not promote an online offer with respect to the products or services described in the Terms of similar or greater value for a period up to 60 days from the Effective Date, plus a minimum of 60 days following the Merchant's date of feature on the Groupon Website. " below.

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          2. Term and Termination. This Agreement shall continue in effect for the longer of one (1) year following the Effective Date or the last date when a customer of Groupon redeems a Voucher offered by Merchant through Groupon. Groupon may terminate this Agreement at any time for any reason by giving the Merchant written notice of such termination. The expiration of the Term shall not in any way affect the purchaser's usage of the Voucher, or Merchant's obligation for redemption of the Voucher. Upon execution of the Agreement, Merchant agrees that Merchant will not promote an online offer with respect to the products or services described in the Terms of similar or greater value for a period up to 60 days from the Effective Date, plus a minimum of 60 days following the Merchant's date of feature on the Groupon Website. Sections 3, 4, 5, 6 and any claims for payments due Groupon hereunder shall survive any expiration or termination of this Agreement.

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          Ciao,
          Evie
          Well, that in no way prohibits a merchant to signup for SMS system or marketing their services or products.... It simply says "you can't market the same 50% Off Angus Steak coupon" for similar or greater value. For example 60% Off Angus Steak coupon... geee, I wonder why! lol

          Every coupon company wants to have exclusive deals that you can't find anywhere else. That's the nature of their business. That's why they send your offer to their database. and that's why people sign up to their lists. As simple as that.

          Still, if anybody finds some other restrictions, I'd like to see it.


          Thomas
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  • Profile picture of the author LongTail Silver
    Evie, dear.

    I thought about trying this, but I didn't make any money. I want a refund. My CheckComposer transaction ID is X2theY.
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  • Profile picture of the author LongTail Silver
    But seriously, though...

    I don't have the time nor inclination to painstakingly cross-fact-check every word of her posts. But the idea is certainly worth FAR more than we paid for it:

    - JV with a charity (Win/Win/Win)
    - Go where the people are (Location/Location/Location)

    This is a killer combination. Put it together with an irresistable offer and it will make money. How much depends only on your creativity.
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      • Profile picture of the author Local
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        Originally Posted by jaychi View Post

        Does this work with Best Buy?
        This is a legal quagmire, as the charity we worked with had permission to be there, however, our legal adviser, has told us that Walmart surrenders many of its property rights when it invites shoppers (the public) to its parking lots and sidewalks.

        Walmart has guidelines which include signing store forms that detail how the groups collect money and where members will stand or set up tables.

        The legal debate over free speech and property rights at store entrances has arguments in favor of both parties.

        Judges in some cases have ruled that sidewalks outside large stores are private property and the retailers do not have to protect a group's free-speech rights.

        However, in other decisions, judges have found that business districts are public places.

        So to answer your question, I'd get approval first and make sure you are dealing with a legit charity with a 990 form.

        Ciao,
        Evie
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    • Profile picture of the author professor x
      Originally Posted by LongTail Silver View Post

      But seriously, though...

      I don't have the time nor inclination to painstakingly cross-fact-check every word of her posts. But the idea is certainly worth FAR more than we paid for it:

      - JV with a charity (Win/Win/Win)
      - Go where the people are (Location/Location/Location)

      This is a killer combination. Put it together with an irresistable offer and it will make money. How much depends only on your creativity.
      EGGGGGGZACHARY!
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  • Profile picture of the author flightrisk
    Christ!! Is this a Shoot down other peoples ideas forum? Or attack other peoples success forum? Or maybe she just had a better idea that works then you. If you don't like it then move on the the next thread. Most of us are adults and can make up our own minds thank you very much. And we don't need a 4 paragraph dissertation on how to spot BS.

    You should be banned for flaming!!
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    • Profile picture of the author ginder
      Originally Posted by flightrisk View Post

      Christ!! Is this a Shoot down other peoples ideas forum? Or attack other peoples success forum? Or maybe she just had a better idea that works then you. If you don't like it then move on the the next thread. Most of us are adults and can make up our own minds thank you very much. And we don't need a 4 paragraph dissertation on how to spot BS.

      You should be banned for flaming!!
      I agree that we are adults and can make up our own mind but it is VERY disrespectful to people who are actually out there doing something "real".

      It took me over a year of hardwork (and I mean 16+ hours/day) thousands of cold calls, tens of thousands of direct mail pieces, hundreds of appointments to get where I am right now. I dont know of anyone who is lucky like "Evie" who can build $40k/month income sitting on a table outside walmart within 30 days.

      That makes me feel like I am a major dumbsh*t who worked his ass off for a year to build something which she did in just 30 days. If I wasnt so sure that she is bsing, I would be back at drawing board trying to figure out where I went wrong but the fact of the matter is a lot of us have gone through this stage. I know I have! Where you keep coming up with ideas which look good on paper but wont work in theory. Then we have failed 10s of times with our ideas before figuring it all out.

      Now if I wasnt so sure that this is a bs idea because I have done almost exact same thing and I had resources and manpower that most of you here on forums can only wish for and even then it failed because it is not sustainable. I called BS on this because I know it is bs and I wouldnt want anyone wasting their time and money trying this out because I wasted 3 months of my time and a lot of money.

      Reason I kept my mouth shut on her Groupon thread was because I wasnt so sure about the idea, I was damn sure that there is no salesrep out there who knows the whole process A to Z and is doing 8 sales a day and will stay with you, infact according to her claims he is the one who made everything possible. Anyways my point is, I knew her numbers were for sure exaggerated but since I have never tried that idea myself I kept my mouth shut. Ben on the other hand have had first hand experience so he expressed his opinion.

      If you wasted countless hours in hope of becoming successful and did everything possible to make it work (I am not talking about giving up or doing a half assed job) and the idea still didnt work, you wouldnt want anyone wasting their time on something like that if you have a bit of integrity and honesty.

      So either she doesnt know what she is talking about and have never tried it or she is a very dishonest person trying to share her failures with others and making them look like they were big hits! Either way, she has lost little respect she had left on this forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author flightrisk
    Evie

    can you explain these two statments you made

    Okay, let me try to explain this the best I can.

    Understand, we have only done this in one location with one charity this far.
    then this

    We tested this at a handful of Walmarts, rotating our station from Walmart to Walmart.

    Evie
    did you misspeak here?
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
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      Originally Posted by flightrisk View Post

      Evie

      can you explain these two statments you made



      then this



      did you misspeak here?
      What I meant was we tested this with ONE charity and at ONE location at a time across multiple Walmarts. In other words, we did not have multiple locations at one time, just ONE Walmart at a time.

      Ciao,
      Evie
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  • Profile picture of the author rideotm
    I agree with long tall silver. Is this all true, partially true or all fiction? i don't know nor do I give a damn. I won't sit in a Wallmart parking lot or one anywhere else to do this. I don't want an office (or 5) with employees, done that, over it.

    What I will do is take the premise and apply it in a way that I may want to do with charities. This is a forum for ideas and this is thread provided a seed of thought. I appreciate the information, no matter what the circumstances may be.
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  • Profile picture of the author dv8
    AP, is that you??
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  • Profile picture of the author Warrior Ben
    Originally Posted by Local View Post

    Your anger sure came out in that post though, like someone was challenging your manhood or something.
    I'm not sure how you interpreted my posts as anger. I understand I'm calling you out and you may project anger onto my words and interpret them that way, but what I wrote was not an angry rant or anything along those lines. My whole purpose in deciding to finally call you out is to help newbies (and experienced marketers) understand that your numbers make no sense and that folks shouldn't get frustrated if they aren't seeing the same results as you proclaim. Do I have a tendency to write in a straightforward and direct manner? Absolutely. Does this come from a place of anger? No. It's just my writing style.


    Originally Posted by Local View Post

    And business owners don't go to Walmart?

    Serious dude?
    Admittedly, this was the weakest part of my argument and as was pointed out previously by Professor X, is pure conjecture. I agree with this. However, I stand by my statement that as a whole small business owners avoid shopping at Wal-Mart. They know what Wal-Mart has done to small business and they don't want to support the machine that has put so many small businesses out of business. I invite Warriors to ask their clients about what they think of Wal-Mart. I've had this discussion with many of my clients and I always hear the same thing-- they don't like having Wal-Mart around and refuse to shop there. Are there exceptions? Of course there are. Are there 900 small business owners who also happen to need a website (and are ready to buy on the spot) who shop at San Diego Wal-Marts in a month? Highly unlikely. This is just common sense.


    Originally Posted by Local View Post

    And the Marine that works for us as a sales rep, IS a Marine at Camp Pendelton. He was injured while in Afghanistan and is being rehabbed for a new occupation. During that rehab, he works for us. We also have other active duty military working in our Oceanside office, should I tell them they can't?
    Evie, this is a flat out lie and you know it. Any Marine who is a part of the Wounded Warrior Regiment at Camp Pendleton, which is the "rehab" program that injured Marines go through to transition back to civilian life, is still on active duty and prohibited from having a job in the civilian sector. Once WII Marines have been rehabbed enough to go out and be employed, they are then discharged from the Military so they can go to work in the civilian sector. They aren't allowed to keep being an active injured Marine and work as a civilian. Anybody who has had a family member go through this process knows this. Quite frankly you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to use an injured War Vet as a part of your argument.


    Originally Posted by Local View Post

    The facts be known, I have not drawn a salary and only earn money from my personal deals.
    Once again, another statement that doesn't make sense. You have built up your business to the point where you are making hundreds of thousands in revenue every month and you aren't even drawing a salary? Are you not profitable yet? Yes, you would have potential call center costs and costs of your services, but consultancies aren't like manufacturing businesses where you have high capital expenditures that keep you from being profitable until years after you've invested the money. You can set up a call center for $30k - $50k, which is only about 10% of your stated monthly revenues, so I have a hard time believing that you not taking a salary has to do with not being profitable. I'm curious as to why you have been spending so much time building up a business with recurring monthly revenues and you haven't even been taking a cut? Sounds a bit altruistic to me.


    Originally Posted by SirThomas View Post

    Hi Ben, just a quick question. Do you have an access to that "non-compete" agreement?
    Hi Thomas, I don't have a copy of the non-compete agreement, but I am in 100% agreement that the agreement would never hold up in court if a business decided to challenge it. Further, I doubt Groupon would ever go and enforce it for signing up with SMS Services, AWeber, or anything else. However, just what is written in the legal document isn't always exactly what is portrayed to the Groupon merchants. I have heard from multiple business owners that they are told from the Groupon sales reps to stay away from any marketing services they may be offered as a result of running the Groupon. Is this dishonest and misleading on Groupon's part? Absolutely. Does it stop them from doing it? Not at all. It is actually one of the things that Evie and I agree on in her Groupon post-- that Groupon is NOT small business friendly.

    My whole point in sharing that story was to warn other Warriors that they will potentially be wasting a huge amount of time by trying to get clients using Groupon leads. People don't need to take my word for it though-- I encourage anybody who is skeptical of my claims to go out and call businesses running Groupons for a week and then report back their results. I guarantee they won't even get 5 to 8 appointments, let alone that many sales a day.


    At any rate, I'm just trying to make sure people have a healthy perspective of how things work in the competitive business of offline marketing. It is easy for somebody to sit behind a computer and spout of really good sounding ideas. However, for those of us out in the trenches and who enjoy contributing value to WF, it's not mean or not nice to call out others' wild claims. It's actually doing a service to other Warriors who may not know better. As I've said before, I'm all for the free flow of ideas-- no matter how out there they may be-- but don't back up these ideas by making up stories on how they've been tried and tested and that they produce completely unrealistic results. It just sets up Warriors for future failure and disappointment.

    -Big Ben Warrior Muffin

    P.S. Evie-- There is one way you could put this all to rest. Have your Sales Manager who is out at Wal-Mart every day closing all these deals take a picture of the table and banner you have set up outside today's Wal-Mart. I'm sure as a sales manager, he has a cell phone, so just have him send it to you and then post that picture in this thread showing the banner with 1 foot block letters that lists the price and everything else you described it to be. If you are in fact telling the truth with this idea you can put me in check very easily and add instant credibility to your claims. I'm sure that any Warriors who have lost respect for you would then give it back after seeing proof of this idea in action. Just a thought...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Lacer
    Peronally I think it's a great idea! But i got a question:

    Where do you host the websites and what are the costs?

    thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
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      Originally Posted by Qwerty0906 View Post

      Peronally I think it's a great idea! But i got a question:

      Where do you host the websites and what are the costs?

      thanks.
      The easiest solution is to check out homestead.com and their reseller program.

      Ciao,
      Evie
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  • Profile picture of the author Seantrepreneur
    Evie,

    All these arguing is not going to solve anything. Please provide us with your company's website and your legal business name. I also would be interested in seeing a picture that Ben has requested.

    Let's just put a rest to this thread by providing some proof to people who have questions. It's very simple. Also, please don't use the excuse that you don't want to give your business website out because you are trying to protect something. I say this because you are so willing to give out exact numbers of what you make in a given month which typically business owners are much more reluctant to do rather than giving out their website.


    You seem like a very intelligent women and I am actually trying to help you put an end to this questioning. I'm not saying that I 100% don't believe you, but if you are telling the truth why not show proof to back it up?

    I look forward to your response.

    Sean
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
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      Originally Posted by Seantrepreneur View Post

      Evie,

      All these arguing is not going to solve anything. Please provide us with your company's website and your legal business name. I also would be interested in seeing a picture that Ben has requested.

      Let's just put a rest to this thread by providing some proof to people who have questions. It's very simple. Also, please don't use the excuse that you don't want to give your business website out because you are trying to protect something. I say this because you are so willing to give out exact numbers of what you make in a given month which typically business owners are much more reluctant to do rather than giving out their website.


      You seem like a very intelligent women and I am actually trying to help you put an end to this questioning. I'm not saying that I 100% don't believe you, but if you are telling the truth why not show proof to back it up?

      I look forward to your response.

      Sean
      I share my information with whom I choose and it is not that difficult to get an invite to come visit me in La Jolla.

      We can even stock Frank Kern while he's surfing.

      :-)

      I choose who I allow into my inner sanctum.

      I refuse to expose a live business to masses of skeptics and wannabees, who have no problem calling clients, drilling them, reverse engineering, being a general nuisance and causing havoc for my partners and team members, etc.

      Are you insane?

      Ask anyone of the "gurus" here who have shared specifics about their business how that worked out for them.

      I was warned over and over again about this forum.

      I get it, but I don't care.

      I don't get much time to post here, so it is a shame, THIS is what we are talking about.

      Ciao,
      Evie
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  • Profile picture of the author xichabodx
    Her responses to Ben's questions and concerns was quite weak and never really did address them. And to say that an active-duty Marine, injured from war, is now working for you is highly doubtful and totally disrespectful to military and non-military, alike.

    I, too, would like to see some clarification on your claims of success. If you're going to be touting your successes, then you should be able to back them up. A picture from your sales rep, as Ben suggested, would do wonders for you right about now.

    Also, if you weren't fully truthful (as you now admit), just to protect your sales reps and business, then why even post about it on an open forum, viewed by literally thousands of people on a daily basis?

    Not spoken out of anger as well,
    G'day!
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
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      Originally Posted by xichabodx View Post

      Her responses to Ben's questions and concerns was quite weak and never really did address them. And to say that an active-duty Marine, injured from war, is now working for you is highly doubtful and totally disrespectful to military and non-military, alike.

      I, too, would like to see some clarification on your claims of success. If you're going to be touting your successes, then you should be able to back them up. A picture from your sales rep, as Ben suggested, would do wonders for you right about now.

      Also, if you weren't fully truthful (as you now admit), just to protect your sales reps and business, then why even post about it on an open forum, viewed by literally thousands of people on a daily basis?

      Not spoken out of anger as well,
      G'day!
      Dude, I am NOT selling anything here... only offering up ideas... you can choose what to do with the information.

      This is supposed to be a forum to discuss ideas, brainstorm and share information.

      It any of the doubters would get off their lazy asses, put their game controller down, take a shower, put on a clean pair of underwear and a T shirt that doesn't have a comic figure on it, and go out of their parents house and try this, or try something, they might find out there's a world of opportunity out there.

      And when it really comes down to it, like Ben knocking Sean's success with Groupon, how many businesses did you REALLY contact?

      Sean had the same results and came up with a goose egg, but he continued to push forward and MADE IT WORK.

      This isn't freaken rocket science and it may be the most difficult thing you've ever done, but it isn't hard.

      And any newbie reading this, don't let anyone discourage you, not any of the negative, rude, posters here, or the business owner that tells you no.

      Go out and get your "no" but be yourself and after getting your "no" politely ask why, have a candid conversation with the business owner as to why not. Why he or she didn't buy and learn from it.

      It isn't going to happen overnight.

      And if it is just not happening, find a sales manager to work with.

      Someone who can mentor you and help build your team.

      If you really have the goods and the technical know how, but just lacking in sales or sales ability, in this economy, there are a ton of qualified sales managers looking for a solid opportunity.

      Look for people that have sold door to door in the past and have sales manager experience.

      Ciao,
      Evie
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      • Profile picture of the author Warrior Ben
        Originally Posted by Local View Post

        Dude, I am NOT selling anything here... only offering up ideas... you can choose what to do with the information.
        Evie, or should I say YOLANDA B., this is another lie and I have now figured out your motivation for your very misleading original post.

        For anybody who has signed up for your CheckComposer report in your signature, they know that you are in fact selling something. This something is a "Private Label Website Business"and the cost is $1,297.

        In reality, from looking at the images in your "Exclusive Invite", this private label program is just a WordPress theme where business owners can login and create their own website in the backend.

        It now makes perfect sense as to why you are posting a thread proclaiming how easy it is to sell 20 websites a day-- you want newbies to look at you as an expert, sign up for your free "report" and then have them shell out $1,297 to buy your overpriced WordPress theme because they were lead to believe they will have no problem recouping their "investment" by your misleading sales figures.

        It didn't take long for me to figure out your real name, Yolanda, and looking at your history of being a Realtor, Avon Independent Sales Rep, and eZineArticle Contributor, it is clear that you not only don't run your own offline marketing business, you aren't even a nurse anesthetist.

        I suggest you cut out the childish name calling that your posts have degraded to and quietly leave the forum. There are enough scammers out there-- we don't need them invading the Warrior Forum and taking advantage of unsuspecting newbies.

        A warning to all newbies: Stay away from this person and don't get suckered in to buying her overpriced WordPress theme.

        -Ben

        P.S. Yolanda, I'm withholding your last name because against my better judgment I still respect your right to privacy. However, if somebody contacts me and tells me that they have been scammed by you, I will have no problem giving them your full name so they can handle the matter outside this forum.
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        • Profile picture of the author ginder
          Originally Posted by Warrior Ben View Post

          Evie, or should I say YOLANDA B., this is another lie and I have now figured out your motivation for your very misleading original post.

          For anybody who has signed up for your CheckComposer report in your signature, they know that you are in fact selling something. This something is a "Private Label Website Business"and the cost is $1,297.

          In reality, from looking at the images in your "Exclusive Invite", this private label program is just a WordPress theme where business owners can login and create their own website in the backend.

          It now makes perfect sense as to why you are posting a thread proclaiming how easy it is to sell 20 websites a day-- you want newbies to look at you as an expert, sign up for your free "report" and then have them shell out $1,297 to buy your overpriced WordPress theme because they were lead to believe they will have no problem recouping their "investment" by your misleading sales figures.

          It didn't take long for me to figure out your real name, Yolanda, and looking at your history of being a Realtor, Avon Independent Sales Rep, and eZineArticle Contributor, it is clear that you not only don't run your own offline marketing business, you aren't even a nurse anesthetist.

          I suggest you cut out the childish name calling that your posts have degraded to and quietly leave the forum. There are enough scammers out there-- we don't need them invading the Warrior Forum and taking advantage of unsuspecting newbies.

          A warning to all newbies: Stay away from this person and don't get suckered in to buying her overpriced WordPress theme.

          -Ben

          P.S. Yolanda, I'm withholding your last name because against my better judgment I still respect your right to privacy. However, if somebody contacts me and tells me that they have been scammed by you, I will have no problem giving them your full name so they can handle the matter outside this forum.
          Thanks for putting an end to this.

          Like I said, its not that hard for anyone who has really done something in real life to smell the bs from her threads. I wasnt going to bother doing the research you did but its a great service you did to WF.

          I will disappear again! It was nice talking to everyone here.

          Peace!
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        • Profile picture of the author ginder
          Originally Posted by Warrior Ben View Post

          Evie, or should I say YOLANDA B., this is another lie and I have now figured out your motivation for your very misleading original post.
          Thanks for the message! I wish I could reply. It will take me another 4 years on this forum to get to 50 posts unless a couple of more threads like this pop up but I'll try to stay in touch. Goodluck with your ventures! It was nice talking to you.

          Peace!
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        • Profile picture of the author Local
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          Originally Posted by Warrior Ben View Post

          Evie, or should I say YOLANDA B., this is another lie and I have now figured out your motivation for your very misleading original post.

          For anybody who has signed up for your CheckComposer report in your signature, they know that you are in fact selling something. This something is a "Private Label Website Business"and the cost is $1,297.

          In reality, from looking at the images in your "Exclusive Invite", this private label program is just a WordPress theme where business owners can login and create their own website in the backend.

          It now makes perfect sense as to why you are posting a thread proclaiming how easy it is to sell 20 websites a day-- you want newbies to look at you as an expert, sign up for your free "report" and then have them shell out $1,297 to buy your overpriced WordPress theme because they were lead to believe they will have no problem recouping their "investment" by your misleading sales figures.

          It didn't take long for me to figure out your real name, Yolanda, and looking at your history of being a Realtor, Avon Independent Sales Rep, and eZineArticle Contributor, it is clear that you not only don't run your own offline marketing business, you aren't even a nurse anesthetist.

          I suggest you cut out the childish name calling that your posts have degraded to and quietly leave the forum. There are enough scammers out there-- we don't need them invading the Warrior Forum and taking advantage of unsuspecting newbies.

          A warning to all newbies: Stay away from this person and don't get suckered in to buying her overpriced WordPress theme.

          -Ben

          P.S. Yolanda, I'm withholding your last name because against my better judgment I still respect your right to privacy. However, if somebody contacts me and tells me that they have been scammed by you, I will have no problem giving them your full name so they can handle the matter outside this forum.
          Ben, you are about to take this to a whole new level and I am just the gal to make your day.

          Yolanda is one of the web development companies I work with and has nothing to do with this thread.

          And to come here and act like you have some big find when if you were on my list, everyone is sent info with Yolanda's company, oh my God, some great detective, you opted in and can read.

          Good for you.

          And you are absolutely, positively confusing your Yolanda's as the Yolanda that works for me has been a project manager for a banking IT department and in web development for a long,long time.

          But that has nothing to do with this thread.

          You want to throw dirt at me, I have no ^%$#@& problem with that, but I dare you pull innocent people into it or legal commit defamation against me in a public forum.

          Not smart.

          I have John Dozier on speed dial buddy and if you think you are anon here, you've got another thing coming.

          It is one thing to toss a couple of digs around and have some innocent fun, but you are crossing the line, and I am telling you right here, right now, I will not stand for it.

          Ciao,
          Evie

          P.S. The private label website program is full and we are not accepting any additional "partners." And lets see just how many "partners" disparage the program here. That'll be interesting.
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          • Profile picture of the author ginder
            Originally Posted by Local View Post

            Ben, you are about to take this to a whole new level and I am just the gal to make your day.

            Yolanda is one of the web development companies I work with and has nothing to do with this thread.

            And to come here and act like you has some big find when if you were on my list, everyone is sent info with Yolanda's company, oh my God, some great detective, you opted in.

            And you are absolutely, positively confusing your Yolanda's as the Yolanda that works for me has been a project manager for a banking IT department and in web development for a long,long time.

            But that has nothing to do with this thread.

            You want to throw dirt at me, I have no ^%$#@& problem with that, but I dare you pull innocent people into it or defame me in a public forum.

            I have John Dozier on speed dial buddy and if you think you are anon here, you've got another thing coming.

            It is one thing to toss a couple of digs around and have some innocent fun, but you are crossing the line.

            And I am telling you right here, right now, I will not stand for it.

            Ciao,
            Evie
            OMG cut your bullsh*t already! Seriously. I know you addressed that to Ben but whats really pissing me off is that you keep on ignoring the points I brought up because you know you are wrong.

            Now when your BS has been caught! You are gonna start threatening people. Do not make a bigger fool out of yourself than you already have and just disappear, this account is not gonna do you any good. Reset your IP get a new one and try again!

            After this post, I will be on look out for your new account.

            You know the reason I am so aggressive towards your BS is because I have suffered a lot because of the idea that you share. I have been doing online marketing longer than most people combined here on this thread. There was a time you could sell a 5 page website online for $5k+. Couple of years ago when the market got too competitive because of bull*****ters like you who release a new product every two days and make insane claims. I decided to cash out

            I invested my life savings into this idea and even though I made my investment back, it was the most miserable time of my life. I had "self diagnosed" depression because of this same idea. It was because I failed to do proper research and instead of starting small I went big. Now I would want anyone, even my worst enemies jumping into this without knowing some of the facts that I discovered 2 months down the road. Thats why I am so aggressive towards your BS

            You are seriously FULL of SH*T and you have no idea what you are talking about. One day you claim to have 4000 Attorney clients, next day you come out with a star salesman who is getting you 10 clients a day. Day after that you come up with bullcrap idea of how you built a $600,000+/year business in 30 days ($40k+ a month as you claimed). You have no idea what it takes to make a dollar legitimately.

            Now even though I am pretty sure you are talking out of you behind again with that John Dozier comment and I am not sure how Ben is going to handle that BS threat you just made but do NOT bother wasting your time making any such threat to this reply.



            Just get the hell out of here and stop wasting peoples time.
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            • Profile picture of the author Local
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              Originally Posted by ginder View Post

              OMG cut your bullsh*t already! Seriously. I know you addressed that to Ben but whats really pissing me off is that you keep on ignoring the points I brought up because you know you are wrong.

              Now when your BS has been caught! You are gonna start threatening people. Do not make a bigger fool out of yourself than you already have and just disappear, this account is not gonna do you any good. Reset your IP get a new one and try again!

              After this post, I will be on look out for your new account.

              You know the reason I am so aggressive towards your BS is because I have suffered a lot because of the idea that you share. I have been doing online marketing longer than most people combined here on this thread. There was a time you could sell a 5 page website online for $5k+. Couple of years ago when the market got too competitive because of bull*****ters like you who release a new product every two days and make insane claims. I decided to cash out

              I invested my life savings into this idea and even though I made my investment back, it was the most miserable time of my life. I had "self diagnosed" depression because of this same idea. It was because I failed to do proper research and instead of starting small I went big. Now I would want anyone, even my worst enemies jumping into this without knowing some of the facts that I discovered 2 months down the road. Thats why I am so aggressive towards your BS

              You are seriously FULL of SH*T and you have no idea what you are talking about. One day you claim to have 4000 Attorney clients, next day you come out with a star salesman who is getting you 10 clients a day. Day after that you come up with bullcrap idea of how you built a $600,000+/year business in 30 days ($40k+ a month as you claimed). You have no idea what it takes to make a dollar legitimately.

              Now even though I am pretty sure you are talking out of you behind again with that John Dozier comment and I am not sure how Ben is going to handle that BS threat you just made but do NOT bother wasting your time making any such threat to this reply.

              I frankly dont give a shi* who you are? Who you know? or who's dic* you have been sucking on.

              Just get the hell out of here and stop wasting peoples time.
              Ginder - you seem genuinely injured.

              What would you say if I offered to help you.

              I mean really help you.

              Ciao,
              Evie

              P.S. I am not threatening Ben, I just put him on notice to not cross the line.
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                • Profile picture of the author Local
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                  Originally Posted by ginder View Post

                  I appreciate the offer. I am glad you didnt reply with another name of a videogame.

                  Thanks but no thanks, we all know here who really needs the help. Really! why are you trying to make a fool out of yourself. You are doing just that with every new post you make.

                  Peace!
                  If you say so, but the offer still stands.

                  I can change your mind and prove to you with the proper system, this business does not have to be as difficult as some say it is.

                  What have you got to loose?

                  Ciao,
                  Evie
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              • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
                Do you not think it is time to remove this entire thread of yours if at all possible?

                It really is quite the most appalling thing I have ever read on this forum.

                Dan
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          • Profile picture of the author Warrior Ben
            Originally Posted by Local View Post

            Ben, you are about to take this to a whole new level and I am just the gal to make your day.

            Yolanda is one of the web development companies I work with and has nothing to do with this thread.

            And to come here and act like you has some big find when if you were on my list, everyone is sent info with Yolanda's company, oh my God, some great detective, you opted in.

            And you are absolutely, positively confusing your Yolanda's as the Yolanda that works for me has been a project manager for a banking IT department and in web development for a long,long time.

            But that has nothing to do with this thread.

            You want to throw dirt at me, I have no ^%$#@& problem with that, but I dare you pull innocent people into it or defame me in a public forum.

            I have John Dozier on speed dial buddy and if you think you are anon here, you've got another thing coming.

            It is one thing to toss a couple of digs around and have some innocent fun, but you are crossing the line.

            And I am telling you right here, right now, I will not stand for it.

            Ciao,
            Evie

            P.S. The private label website program is full and we are not accepting any additional "partners." And lets see just how many "partners" disparage the program here. That'll be interesting.
            There is only one Yolanda with the initials YMB in Southern California and a quick Google search reveals her to have been a Realtor and Avon Lady. Not a project manager for a banking IT department.

            Regardless "Evie", your threats don't scare me. All of us who have real offline marketing businesses have attorney's programmed into our phones. In fact most of us also have an attorney or two as a client! Your use of the word "defame" shows you have no knowledge of slander or libel laws and are just trying to posture. But quick, go Google slander vs. libel so you can come up with a good response. Regardless, if you do decide to "take action" and have Mr. Cyber Trial Lawyer contact me threatening legal action, you'll be giving up your real identity and I will gladly post any legal documents online so Warriors can view them and make up their own minds as to your true identity.

            As for my "detective work", once I looked at your e-mail and "Exclusive Invite" it took me all of 5 minutes to look up your company. You're right-- it wasn't very hard. But don't sit here and tell me that you are running your "Exclusive Invite" on Yolanda's behalf, for her company, and that the money is all being funneled through her bank account. Is this another example of "Evie" just doing things out of the kindness of her heart by helping out poor old Yolanda and her struggling web business? Give me a break.

            You've been exposed... move on and quit embarrassing yourself.

            -Ben
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          • Profile picture of the author SpeedyBanana
            Local.... give it up buddy... at this point you're not even convincing people that you are a woman. I don't know many women that run multi-million dollar business but I'm willing to bet that they don't use phrases like "Serious dude?" or "What are you smoking dude?" nor would they waste hours and hours writing huge posts and arguing on an internet forum.

            It doesn't take a genius to realize just by a quick scan of your posts that you are running some sad attempt of a charade. Even your avatar is clearly some stock photo you pulled off the internet. I think your time would be better spent inventing a new persona/account and re-starting your sad plan of building up quick reputation to put out a horrible information product.

            As someone mentioned earlier, Warriors may be a little bit on the naive side, but they're definitely not stupid.
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        • Profile picture of the author Warrior Ben
          Originally Posted by Warrior Ben View Post

          Evie, or should I say YOLANDA B., this is another lie and I have now figured out your motivation for your very misleading original post.

          For anybody who has signed up for your CheckComposer report in your signature, they know that you are in fact selling something. This something is a "Private Label Website Business"and the cost is $1,297.

          In reality, from looking at the images in your "Exclusive Invite", this private label program is just a WordPress theme where business owners can login and create their own website in the backend.

          It now makes perfect sense as to why you are posting a thread proclaiming how easy it is to sell 20 websites a day-- you want newbies to look at you as an expert, sign up for your free "report" and then have them shell out $1,297 to buy your overpriced WordPress theme because they were lead to believe they will have no problem recouping their "investment" by your misleading sales figures.

          It didn't take long for me to figure out your real name, Yolanda, and looking at your history of being a Realtor, Avon Independent Sales Rep, and eZineArticle Contributor, it is clear that you not only don't run your own offline marketing business, you aren't even a nurse anesthetist.

          I suggest you cut out the childish name calling that your posts have degraded to and quietly leave the forum. There are enough scammers out there-- we don't need them invading the Warrior Forum and taking advantage of unsuspecting newbies.

          A warning to all newbies: Stay away from this person and don't get suckered in to buying her overpriced WordPress theme.

          -Ben

          P.S. Yolanda, I'm withholding your last name because against my better judgment I still respect your right to privacy. However, if somebody contacts me and tells me that they have been scammed by you, I will have no problem giving them your full name so they can handle the matter outside this forum.
          I just wanted to quote myself to make sure this is at the top of the page and doesn't get buried in the middle of the previous page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Local
    Banned
    Ben - you are full of it.

    Anyone that for example wants to verify that active duty Marines can hold jobs or run their own business in their free time can easily verify with a little research.

    Each post shows more and more of your ignorance.

    And BTW - we are documenting this program and there are quite a few tweaks and changes which need to be made, but we will then publish a white paper for charities to learn how to incorporate this program into their fundraising activities with our without our help.

    There will be plenty of photos.

    This is not in concrete yet, but we also are working on the pricing of the hosting and allowing the charity to receive a portion of the monthly hosting fees. ie. 50%

    When we began testing this, we have no idea how it would do or how it would be perceived.

    A number of you have PM'd regarding the number of donors per day, versus the number of websites completed thus far and number in the funnel.

    This is called "breakage"... we do not force a donor into the monthly recurring, they have to use the online form to request their website before that trigger is pulled and currently, 50% are not or have not yet used the request form.

    I don't understand why more people aren't seeing this for how awesome it really is.

    Even if in your area, your numbers were drastically lower, it is still a viable method.

    And this was just a test, normally the charity mans the table, not your workers or employees.

    You are not even involved in the process until that website request form is completed.

    And does anyone really disagree, that if you had 10, 100 or even 1,000 website requests coming in, that you wouldn't be able to find an unlimited amount of people in need of income, to cut and paste information from the web form, into a template and push a few buttons to create the websites/

    My Lord, that in and of itself could be an info product and you could create a video series that teaches people how to build these websites in 30 minutes and then once they did, funnel new jobs to them and pay them $30 each (granted most will not have the capital to front payment, but you could have them agree to be paid in 45 days.)

    Then sell the video training, so finding an unlimited number of helpers becomes self liquidating.

    Ciao,
    Evie
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  • Profile picture of the author Seantrepreneur
    I'm very disappointed in this response, Evie. I was hoping that you wanted to put an end to all this nonsense. I really wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, but there is no way I can do that.

    What were you warned about on this forum? It's helped ppl is so many ways. Its actually a little insulting for you to say that like this is a place where ppl come to bash other ppl's ideas. There are TONS is great ideas that ppl share and MOST of the time if there are any skeptics they are disproved. Of course, that is when they can be disproved...

    Good luck with everything, Evie.

    Sean
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  • Profile picture of the author Local
    Banned
    Sean, whether you are disappointed or not is not my concern.

    I could NOT care less.

    Life goes on.

    Those that want to know more seem to have no problem IMing me, becoming friends and then I'm an open book (I do require an NDA for those that visit my business, but that has not been an issue.)

    I'm even hosting a Christmas party at my home and at least 36 people from Warriors are already on the invitation list.

    Ciao,
    Evie
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    • Profile picture of the author RRG
      Originally Posted by Local View Post

      Sean, whether you are disappointed or not is not my concern.

      I could care less.

      Life goes on.

      Those that want to know more seem to have no problem IMing me, becoming friends and then I'm an open book (I do require an NDA for those that visit my business, but that has not been an issue.)

      I'm even hosting a Christmas party at my home and at least 36 people from Warriors are already on the invitation list.

      Ciao,
      Evie
      Of course, you mean you could NOT care less.

      To me this forum is more than just a place to learn and share your wisdom. It can also be FREE entertainment.

      And this has been . . .

      one hell of an entertaining thread!
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      • Profile picture of the author professor x
        Originally Posted by RRG View Post

        Of course, you mean you could NOT care less.

        To me this forum is more than just a place to learn and share your wisdom. It can also be FREE entertainment.

        And this has been . . .

        one hell of an entertaining thread!
        I'm finding that out real quick! informative and entertaining... the best way to discover new information/ideas!
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  • Profile picture of the author dv8
    I agree that sharing websites/names/info is a stupid idea. I would never do that as well. Wayyy to many things could go wrong from that.

    However, Ben's idea about getting a picture is a valid one. It would be easy to blur out any important information if need be.

    Yeah yeah, I know, you don't have to prove anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
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      Originally Posted by dv8 View Post

      I agree that sharing websites/names/info is a stupid idea. I would never do that as well. Wayyy to many things could go wrong from that.

      However, Ben's idea about getting a picture is a valid one. It would be easy to blur out any important information if need be.

      Yeah yeah, I know, you don't have to prove anything.
      We had a meeting this morning and I believe we are going to have a cargo van wrapped with the charities information as well as our website offer.

      The van can then be parked at different venues and will serve a a billboard when not manned and as home base for educating the public about the charity and get them to donate (with or without a website engagement.)

      I will take a photo because I think it will be a cool share as the graphics shared this morning rock.

      In regards to it proving anything, again, who cares.

      And I do, at times have a habit of sharing numbers in my excitement, but it is only because I am constantly amazed and what my partners and members of my team are able to come up with.

      I don't believe I have yet, predicted successfully what would work and what wouldn't.

      It is why we TEST.

      We have a great synergy, and a safe environment for all of my team to share their ideas without judgement or risk of belittling.

      I have no doubt however, that someone lurking here will run with this and make their own success.

      It is them and their action that puts this smile on my face.

      Ciao,
      Evie
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      • Profile picture of the author langdon0555
        It looks like AP had a sex change and is back on the warrior forum gearing up for another launch down the line of yet another perfect WSO!
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  • Profile picture of the author Local
    Banned
    I am reminded of this story...

    Some time ago, an American reporter traveled to Tibet to interview a wise old Zen master. When the two sat down for tea, instead of letting the Zen master do the talking, the reporter began to brag about all the things he knew in life!

    The reporter ranted on and on while the Zen mater poured the reporter's tea. As the reporter endlessly babbled on, the tea quickly rose to the rim of his cup and began flowing over, spilling onto the floor. The reporter, finally stunned, stopped babbling on and said excitedly, "What are you doing? You can't pour any more! My cup is overflowing!"

    "Yes," responded the wise Zen master. "This teacup, like your mind, is so full of ideas that there is no room for new information. You must first empty your head before any new knowledge can enter."

    --

    Be open to new ideas, but I am not asking you to believe what I tell you.

    In fact, don't believe or disbelieve anything you read on this forum.

    And by all means, I do not want you to accept anything I say as the best way.

    And most of all, I don't want anyone to say how brilliant I am, or how well I know my stuff and then go watch another episode of Jersey Shores with a bag of Cheetos.

    Beliefs that something will or will not work does not put food on your table, clothes on your back, or a new car in your driveway.

    What will is deciding to take action and getting out there and making it happen.

    Create your own truths, your own successes.

    What prevents most people here from having any level of success is inaction, or loss of focus and "trying" everything they come across, chasing one shiny object after another.

    How many WSOs do you need before you're ready?

    Come on now, we all know you already have enough information to rock it.

    Just get out there and DO IT!

    Go out there and get your no(s)!


    Ciao,
    Evie
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  • Profile picture of the author TCWalker
    And BTW - we are documenting this program and there are quite a few tweaks and changes which need to be made, but we will then publish a white paper for charities to learn how to incorporate this program into their fundraising activities with our without our help.

    There will be plenty of photos.

    This is not in concrete yet, but we also are working on the pricing of the hosting and allowing the charity to receive a portion of the monthly hosting fees. ie. 50%

    When we began testing this, we have no idea how it would do or how it would be perceived.
    So you are saying you are still in the "testing" phase and yet, you decided to leave this very important detail out of your original post? Come on!!

    By posting this paragraph alone, you just made all of the critic's points that much more valid.

    I think we all enjoy some fresh and creative ideas, but I don't see anything wrong with an OP stating it isn't something they've actually tried, and it's something they wanted to throw out there. But when a poster gets caught telling white lies, their credibility and future posts just go down the toilet.

    Just like business owners aren't stupid, many Warriors aren't either, they maybe a bit naive, but not stupid. BIG difference.
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
      Banned
      Originally Posted by TCWalker View Post

      So you are saying you are still in the "testing" phase and yet, you decided to leave this very important detail out of your original post? Come on!!

      By posting this paragraph alone, you just made all of the critic's points that much more valid.

      I think we all enjoy some fresh and creative ideas, but I don't see anything wrong with an OP stating it isn't something they've actually tried, and it's something they wanted to throw out there. But when a poster gets caught telling white lies, their credibility and future posts just go down the toilet.

      Just like business owners aren't stupid, many Warriors aren't either, they maybe a bit naive, but not stupid. BIG difference.
      What are you smoking dude?

      What part of "Understand, we have only done this in one location with one charity this far." didn't you understand.

      I am not even responding to any other silly comments.

      Holy cow, waste of my time!

      Losers will be losers and there is not a thing I can do to change that.

      Ciao,
      Evie
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  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
    ok so to those saying focus on the model, the ideas etc etc thats fine, but why then is SO much made in the OP about the figures supposedly collected. The OP started throwing the focus onto how much theyd made from this model, that wasnt neccessary other than to impress people to get more people thinking WOW .
    The business model and overall idea would have still been delivered without stating any figures earned , granted people would then have started asking 'are you doing this, how much are you making' , then the response could have been 'it depends on how much you can put into it but based on 5 a day youd make $XXXX , 10 a day $XXXX etc .

    The problem is, as with many threads, people seem to feel the need to state how much theyve made from an idea (whether its true , proven or dreamt) when really thats irrelevant as someone else could do treble that or only 5% of that, depending on a whole host of things
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
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      Originally Posted by mjbmedia View Post

      ok so to those saying focus on the model, the ideas etc etc thats fine, but why then is SO much made in the OP about the figures supposedly collected. The OP started throwing the focus onto how much theyd made from this model, that wasnt neccessary other than to impress people to get more people thinking WOW .
      The business model and overall idea would have still been delivered without stating any figures earned , granted people would then have started asking 'are you doing this, how much are you making' , then the response could have been 'it depends on how much you can put into it but based on 5 a day youd make , 10 a day etc .

      The problem is, as with many threads, people seem to feel the need to state how much theyve made from an idea (whether its true , proven or dreamt) when really thats irrelevant as someone else could do treble that or only 5% of that, depending on a whole host of things
      You are absolutely right, but my excitement got the best of me.

      And I did say, our area is unique, and I have no idea how it would work anywhere else.

      Ciao,
      Evie
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  • Profile picture of the author ginder
    Anyone and I mean anyone who has ever dabbled with the idea of offering free websites and went out there and tried it can lay massive shi* on your whole plan.

    Do you have any idea how big of a logistic nightmare it would be to build 1000 websites without already having a setup in place.

    You can say what you like. I have done the exact same thing minus the charity part and I had demand like you mention in your original post but it wasnt by sitting outside walmart. Thats just dumb! anyone who thinks they can sell more than 1 website per day or even give it out sitting outside walmart doesnt know what it takes to deal with clients and get the work done and then get paid the hosting.

    I had a deal with hostgator CEO. I was doing the same thing, offering free websites and hoping for hosting. All looked good! I had a setup that you cannot fathom even with all your bullsh*t of 100s of people working for you. This was 4 years ago when offline market was still relatively new, infact there was not much competition out there.

    We were getting more orders than what you mentioned in your original post but it wasnt by sitting outside walmart. It was by making thousands of cold calls, setting up 100s of appointments. Paying thousands in salary to professional sales people and telemarketers and a huge offshore setup for getting the work done. I invested my life savings into this along with another partner.

    First of all the biggest BS is the fact that you can get 20 orders sitting outside walmart. 2nd biggest BS is that there are 1000 people passing by your table per hour! hmmm is that a walmart or reliant stadium where you can setup one table in a corner somewhere and you have daily traffic of 1000/hour walking by your table only, not couting 4 other entrances walmart has. Are you telling me that walmart is getting 70,000+ people per day even if you were to count 3 entrances only. Either thats the biggest bullsh*t I have heard in my life or the place you live is filled with cheapskate business owners who run to walmart everyday to get something.

    If you told me this was infront of sams club, it would have made more sense. Go sit in the parking lot of walmart for few hours with your clicker and you will soon realize that 60%+ are women. Now I am not saying women cant have their own business but the ratio is very low compared to men. Now lets take out those who cant even afford a $10 shirt to put on because I know for a fact those guys cannot afford to give $20 to charity, you are gonna be left with few qualified prospects. Out of them how many own their business? out of those that own their business how many need websites? Out of those how many would even consider donating a penny to your charity because not everyone supports charities, especially a charity working for one cause.

    There is no way that you got 22 orders per day sitting outside walmart. Now let me tell you whats more realistic

    100 calls per day to targeted business owners who we already know DO NOT have a website. 3-4 appointments set out of 100 calls. 1 out of 3-4 agrees to sign the dotted line to pay hosting every month.

    Those were not our exact numbers but its close. So thats what one guy was doing working 8 hours a day and then the other working 8 hours a day to go to 4 appointments.

    Now even that may sound good enough to most, infact that was our goal and thats what we were hoping for. We did better than that. This is where the idea failed and I know for a fact that you have no clue about this issue because you have never done anything like this or you would know.

    Sell a guy a free website with $50/month hosting, first month paid in advance so technically you are selling the site for $50. First time appointment just covers sale and he is told to fill out a form and send all the details that he want on his website, secure the $50 payment.

    Keep in mind the guy just paid us $50, now getting all the info from him to put on the website is the nightmare that made this idea the biggest failure. We were not expecting anything like that. Only those who REALLY wanted a website bad and were very excited about it made sure that we got the info on time, EVERYBODY ELSE we had to chase harder to get info than we had to for them to sign the dotted line.

    Now the guys who were excited about the opportunity were very few and they were so excited that we could have sold them a website for $3500 and they would have still paid.

    I know you dont know that fact because you have never done it. If you take on 100 clients, you have no idea how hard it is to get the site made for 100. Then they also bitc* about small things, those are not the type of clients you would want.

    Now lets say I believe everything you have said, I still cannot believe that you had 20 orders and then you got the info of all 20 businesses without a problem and you had no problem coordinating with the business owner about what he wants on his website, even if its just his contact information. Then with your developers, then back with the business owners. Then collecting the monthly payment!

    Go out there and try to do it and if you find out that whatever I said was wrong, I will personally pay you $5000 for wasting your 2 minutes reading this post.

    Most of you have no idea who I am and I dont want to share that either but trust me, I do not talk out of my as*. I have been doing online marketing when most of the people here were still hanging on tits.

    I have never shared anything here, I am not proud of that. Its just that I dont have the time or energy to do so here but I do read a lot of info here and this is the first time I have made a post saying thanks to those who add value to this forum and those who have given me 100s of unique ideas or helped me with my questions. But I really hate when someone tries to act like s/he is some big shi* when they dont have a clue of what they are talking about.

    I wont waste your time anymore but seriously grow the fuc* up. I know you are gonna be coming out with some kind of digital product very soon and all of this is preparation for that but for God's sake dont misguide people and do not sell them something which you have no idea about. You are not gonna get rich trying to sell people $5 WSOs, which I am sure you gonna come out with, its just matter of time.

    I am glad other people spoke up. Now feel free to shut me up with some credible information or some proof, yea you dont have to but dont make such absurd claims too. If you are going to make such absurd claims, do so where they belong. In WSO section!

    Peace!
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  • Profile picture of the author Local
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    Ginder - you are wrong on EVER point.

    Wrong, wrong, wrong.

    Now go back to your parents bedroom and take your punishment.

    Ciao,
    Evie
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    • Profile picture of the author ginder
      Originally Posted by Local View Post

      Ginder - you are wrong on EVER point.

      Wrong, wrong, wrong.

      Now go back to your parents bedroom and take your punishment.

      Ciao,
      Evie
      I like that reply! thats prob the only way you gonna be able to burry this thread. Do it before someone else who has more "reputation" here calls you out. I am sorry to destroy this account for you and all your efforts of trying to make yourself look like someone credible. Just how you were trying your stupid techniques trying to get people to sign up to your aweber account because you couldnt afford a few dollars for WSO section (I am sorry I didnt know that you dont draw salary out at that time) and those threads were deleted, I hope this one doesnt so people can see your true colors.

      "I'd wish you goodluck but you wouldnt know what to do with it, if you got it" Baldwin

      Peace!
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      • Profile picture of the author Local
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        Originally Posted by ginder View Post

        I like that reply! thats prob the only way you gonna be able to burry this thread. Do it before someone else who has more "reputation" here calls you out. I am sorry to destroy this account for you and all your efforts of trying to make yourself look like someone credible. Just how you were trying your stupid techniques trying to get people to sign up to your aweber account because you couldnt afford a few dollars for WSO section (I am sorry I didnt know that you dont draw salary out at that time) and those threads were deleted, I hope this one doesnt so people can see your true colors.

        "I'd wish you goodluck but you wouldnt know what to do with it, if you got it" Baldwin

        Peace!
        What selective reading or memory you have there.

        Likely both.

        My payment report was FREE and I have received hundreds of replies from people that benefited and number have already set up and are using.

        I will not, nor will I NEVER offer an WSO.

        Funny though, since my posts regarding PayPal how many products have popped up though, huh?

        You got to be kidding me.

        Again, go back to your Halo. maybe you can impress your nanny your best score ever.

        Holy crap, I'm having a battle of wits with an unarmed man boy!

        Ciao,
        Evie
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        • Profile picture of the author ginder
          Originally Posted by Local View Post

          What selective reading or memory you have there.

          Likely both.

          My payment report was FREE and I have received hundreds of replies from people that benefited and number have already set up and are using.

          I will not, nor will I NEVER offer an WSO.

          Funny though, since my posts regarding PayPal how many products have popped up though, huh?

          You got to be kidding me.

          Again, go back to your Halo. maybe you can impress your nanny your best score ever.

          Holy crap, I'm having a battle of wits with an unarmed man boy!

          Ciao,
          Evie
          You are exaggerating your numbers again. Show us a few of those replies out of 100s of people that you have helped

          and serious stop these nonsense attacks! you have been replying to all of my posts with a new video game reply and what kind of battles you can fight in that game.

          If you want to discredit me, only way you can do that is to reply to the facts that I point out but you cant do that ofcourse because you dont know what you are talking about.

          I suggest you have another meeting with your executive command and figure out how all of you are going to repair this reputation damage to be able to sell the WSO thats in making. I am pretty sure you can do that since a couple of weeks ago you claimed to have 3600 attorneys who want reputation repair services from your company.

          I am having a hard time focusing because I cant stop laughing. So I'll take a break, hopefully that will cool you down a little too and maybe then you can reply to my posts in a dignified manner rather than posting another video game name and how to play it.

          Peace!
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    • Profile picture of the author Brian F Adams
      Wow! Definately one of the more heated threads I have read lately. Think I will head off to Costco and try to sell some SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Seantrepreneur
    ok so to those saying focus on the model, the ideas etc etc thats fine, but why then is SO much made in the OP about the figures supposedly collected. The OP started throwing the focus onto how much theyd made from this model, that wasn't necessary other than to impress people to get more people thinking WOW .
    The business model and overall idea would have still been delivered without stating any figures earned , granted people would then have started asking 'are you doing this, how much are you making' , then the response could have been 'it depends on how much you can put into it but based on 5 a day youd make , 10 a day etc .

    The problem is, as with many threads, people seem to feel the need to state how much theyve made from an idea (whether its true , proven or dreamt) when really thats irrelevant as someone else could do treble that or only 5% of that, depending on a whole host of things
    EXACTLY! I don't think its a question of weather this would work or not. It's a numbers game like everything else. I think it's the extremely bold figures that are being giving out. I personally (and I know Evie doesn't care about what I think as she stated) think it's highly unlikely that a sales person sitting outside of a Wal-Mart in a little over a month sold 900 websites. I mean guys and girls, lets think about this for a second. Think about everything that goes into selling one single website. I understand she probably has some kind of streamline process, but there is still some sort of collaboration that needs to take place. What about edits to the site once is done? Who handle all the customer service questions because anyone that sells B2B know that small businesses owner LOVE being involved in all aspects of whats going on.

    I 100% agree that this might work if done correctly, but I have a feeling some warriors try it and 1) not even get approved to sit outside with a charity and 2) not sell 22 websites in one day and then give up. I would love to hear a success story of another warrior that has done this and it has worked for them as well. Even if the results aren't as amazing.

    Sean
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  • Profile picture of the author langdon0555
    Nice work warrior Ben!
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    • Profile picture of the author Huskerdarren
      Thank you Ben for taking the lead in exposing this BS artist. Many of us could smell her coming a mile away.

      Shame on you Evie. Your cover is blown. Time to start a new screen name and repackage your lies.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
    Don't know about the real identity Ben is talking about nor do I care....

    But I will say this...I served 8 years in the Military and had a second job for most of it. Yep, out doing sales in the community too.

    There is absolutely NO restrictions unless it is interfering with your military job and your chain of command tell you to stop. You can't use your military status as a selling point either.

    First hand knowledge. If your chain of command told you not to work...then that is you. This is not Military wide.
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    • Profile picture of the author Warrior Ben
      Originally Posted by Prevalent View Post

      But I will say this...I served 8 years in the Military and had a second job for most of it. Yep, out doing sales in the community too.

      There is absolutely NO restrictions unless it is interfering with your military job and your chain of command tell you to stop. You can't use your military status as a selling point either.

      First hand knowledge. If your chain of command told you not to work...then that is you. This is not Military wide.
      Thanks for speaking up-- I was actually hoping somebody from the military would speak up on this. How long ago was it that you served? My cousin is currently stationed down at Camp Pendleton and he is the one I called yesterday to verify all of this. He said because we are in a "war time" environment and Marines can get called up at any time, they prohibit active duty members from having outside jobs. Maybe this is a new rule, maybe he is actually uninformed, I'm not sure.

      At any rate, I was passing on the information I was told by my cousin and at this point I find it to be completely irrelevant because Yolanda's game has been revealed.

      I expect there are still going to be people questioning me, so if anybody wants to know how I found out who she was, feel free to shoot me an e-mail if you are on my list and I'll explain. (And this is not to get people to sign up for my list, I just only have 10 PM's since I'm not a War Room Member and my box is almost full. I'd rather not post my e-mail out here where scrapers/spammers will pick it up.)

      -Ben
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      • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
        Originally Posted by Warrior Ben View Post

        Thanks for speaking up-- I was actually hoping somebody from the military would speak up on this. How long ago was it that you served? My cousin is currently stationed down at Camp Pendleton and he is the one I called yesterday to verify all of this. He said because we are in a "war time" environment and Marines can get called up at any time, they prohibit active duty members from having outside jobs. Maybe this is a new rule, maybe he is actually uninformed, I'm not sure.

        At any rate, I was passing on the information I was told by my cousin and at this point I find it to be completely irrelevant because Yolanda's game has been revealed.

        I expect there are still going to be people questioning me, so if anybody wants to know how I found out who she was, feel free to shoot me an e-mail if you are on my list and I'll explain. (And this is not to get people to sign up for my list, I just only have 10 PM's since I'm not a War Room Member and my box is almost full. I'd rather not post my e-mail out here where scrapers/spammers will pick it up.)

        -Ben
        Just got out last week. Went to war twice and had to put my business on hold both times. Like I said...it all comes down to your chain of command.
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  • Profile picture of the author Seantrepreneur
    Also, I found your website.

    How do I know its yours you ask? Well for starters the address on your contact us page is the same as your Awber account. ANYONE worth their salt in this industry knows you have to put your address on your email marketing account. Did you think it was a little strange when someone with the full name "Hi Can't Wait To See The Address Listed For This Account" sign up for your newsletter earlier today?? Yup, that was me! And thats when everything started to go down hill for you.

    The second reason I know this is your site is because you are promoting the same products in your report.

    Also, don't bother taking it down. I've already taken screen shots in case fellow warriors want to see what a million dollar a year consulting firms website looks like.

    I'm glad Ben started the ball rolling because I didn't want to be the only one to expose you.

    The gig is up. Period. Don't bother trying to come up with any excuses or talk about her we don't know what we are saying.

    Do you care what I think now?

    Sean
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  • Profile picture of the author Huskerdarren
    We'll keep bumping it as needed so everyone can read it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Huskerdarren
    Remove it? It serves as a warning to the unaware and naive. Perhaps she can apply some of her $10,000-per-client-per-month reputation management techniques to turn this thread around. Now that would be miraculous.
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    • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
      Originally Posted by Huskerdarren View Post

      Remove it? It serves as a warning to the unaware and naive. Perhaps she can apply some of her $10,000-per-client-per-month reputation management techniques to turn this thread around. Now that would be miraculous.
      LOL!


      Thomas
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  • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
    LOL!

    I wonder, if mods are asleep or just having too much fun to delete this thread? lol
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  • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
    I'm a little surprised that in the thread 'Be Honest Now...Local Business Marketing is a Nightmare' that John Durham would make the following post about Evie and what her response was...

    Originally Posted by John Durham
    Dont listen to Evie...., she barely makes $100,000 a month at this. Cmon! Sheesh!



    Hi John!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I owe my phone rooms to you my friend!

    And a couple of my business models were inspired by your great mind.

    Evie

    I have alot of respect and admiration for John Durham so it's a little hard for me to believe that John Durham would have what seems like a fairly familiar association with someone who is scammer.

    That's one of the reasons why I believed what Evie was posting in her threads because her and John seemed to know and respect each other...but maybe I'm reading waaaayyy too much into a couple of the posts John made in that thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author Local
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      Originally Posted by brittlesnc View Post

      I'm a little surprised that in the thread 'Be Honest Now...Local Business Marketing is a Nightmare' that John Durham would make the following post about Evie and what her response was...

      Originally Posted by John Durham
      Dont listen to Evie...., she barely makes $100,000 a month at this. Cmon! Sheesh!



      Hi John!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      I owe my phone rooms to you my friend!

      And a couple of my business models were inspired by your great mind.

      Evie

      I have alot of respect and admiration for John Durham so it's a little hard for me to believe that John Durham would have what seems like a fairly familiar association with someone who is scammer.

      That's one of the reasons why I believed what Evie was posting in her threads because her and John seemed to know and respect each other...but maybe I'm reading waaaayyy too much into a couple of the posts John made in that thread.
      I SERIOUSLY DO NOT WANT ANYONE DEFENDING ME... PLEASE!

      It is not worth anyone else being brought into this juvenile witch hunt.

      :-)

      Ciao,
      Evie
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      • Profile picture of the author ginder
        Originally Posted by Local View Post

        I SERIOUSLY DO NOT WANT ANYONE DEFENDING ME... PLEASE!

        It is not worth anyone else being brought into this juvenile witch hunt.

        :-)

        Ciao,
        Evie
        You NEED THIS FORUM TO MAKE MONEY because you dont know of any other way to make money thats why you keep coming back and you still havent given up.

        If someone was to get in a piss match like this with someone legitimate, that person would simply show middle finger to everyone and mind his own business. Atleast thats what I would do, hell why do I need to care much about my reputation on a forum. I can still get all the info without being logged in.

        But you need this place to pay your bills. You need some naive warriors to feed your family.

        I do not make anywhere near what you claim to be making and I dont have the luxury of time that you seem to be enjoying here. Only reason I am sitting here wasting my time with you is because I am sick today and I got nothing better to do than this and hell, its some of the best entertainment I have had in years.

        Why do you feel the need to defend yourself so much? You process almost $400,000 in recurring income per month right? I am sure your income from new clients is atleast 5 times more than recurring (based on my own experience) so that would put you at about $2.5mil/month

        Thats about $30 million a year. A company doing $30+million a year is for sure sitting on atleast 10 times monthly revenue (again based on my business experience) $300 million

        If I was you, I wouldnt be wasting a second of my time here. No matter how much you say you like to help people. Sitting on $300 million there are better ways to help people. Go feed some hungry kids in Africa, they need your help more than people here on this forum.

        Peace!
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      • Profile picture of the author Huskerdarren
        Originally Posted by Local View Post

        I SERIOUSLY DO NOT WANT ANYONE DEFENDING ME... PLEASE!

        It is not worth anyone else being brought into this juvenile witch hunt.

        :-)

        Ciao,
        Evie
        So you are saying you want John to enter this thread and unravel it like he did to the guy that closes 90% of his cold calls? I wish John would chime in.
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    • Profile picture of the author ginder
      Originally Posted by brittlesnc View Post

      I'm a little surprised that in the thread 'Be Honest Now...Local Business Marketing is a Nightmare' that John Durham would make the following post about Evie and what her response was...

      Originally Posted by John Durham
      Dont listen to Evie...., she barely makes $100,000 a month at this. Cmon! Sheesh!



      Hi John!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      I owe my phone rooms to you my friend!

      And a couple of my business models were inspired by your great mind.

      Evie

      I have alot of respect and admiration for John Durham so it's a little hard for me to believe that John Durham would have what seems like a fairly familiar association with someone who is scammer.

      That's one of the reasons why I believed what Evie was posting in her threads because her and John seemed to know and respect each other...but maybe I'm reading waaaayyy too much into a couple of the posts John made in that thread.
      Well this is not the only place where she has been making threads like this. She has been making absurd claims on Johns forum aswell! I am sure he hasnt bothered to find out who she really is!

      Only reason this thread caught so much attention was because of Ben and my posts otherwise, up till this thread, I myself had an image of her being someone successful which was hard to imagine but regardless, there is enough proof on this thread to discredit her. I dont think there is any more research necessary to figure out what she is really upto!

      I mean she doesnt even have spare $20 to post a WSO and keeps on spamming this section trying to get people to sign up on her list. One of her threads where I first called her out was deleted by admin because of blatant self promotion after I called her out and reported it.

      That obviously didnt put a stop to it, she just got better at putting together more convincing BS

      Peace!
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  • Profile picture of the author xichabodx
    You've YET to answer any of the questions that have been asked of you in regards to explaining your outlandish claims.

    All we've seen is repetitive video game references, multiple uses of the word "dude", and lame attempts at threatening the folks that have called you out.

    Are you even seeing those questions? Or have you not had enough time to make something up.

    Humbly awaiting...
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