iAmNameLess

I dunno... if you can't find your ad I guess so.

Always check to category you post in to see if it is live. Maybe you went overboard on the account, too fast. Clearing cache and cookies on just one account, doesn't make a difference, only really when using multiple accounts. Posting 3 ads per day too fast is a problem. Renewing ads too fast, can cause a problem.

Trial and error... its takes a while to really get used to the ins and outs.

mhdeaton

Well here's the deal, yesterdays didnt show upAT ALL but todays are there when I goto "for sale business" (I see my ad when I navigate to the catagory) However when I search it doesn't come up? Freakin weird ? I simply search using my title right?

RedShifted

/\ CL is pissing me off too (@kanigan). I am noticing how you have to post ads (the "right" way), but I'm also noticing that its becoming a lot of work.

CL wasn't allowing me to renew my ads, so I wound up writing new ones. Then I tried posting them all and they were getting blocked (not ghosted). So then I figured, "I'll wait 15 minutes between posting ads". And strangely enough, CL allowed them to post.

Then I came back 2 days later, and they weren't allowing me to renew the ads. So I copied and pasted the ads to repost, and they get blocked lol. I'm clearing cookies AND refreshing my IP everytime I login to a new account.

This is part of the reason I'm moving over to video. I want to see if using thumbnail links to our website with a video will get around any of the bs.

If it doesn't, then I may wind up just outsourcing the posting. On a smaller scale (5 accounts) I never had problems like this. But now I'm posting from 15 accounts and I get nothing but issues. So yeh, CL is a bitch. I'll continue testing and if I notice anything weird I'll let you know.

-Red

RedShifted

I think this is honestly causing all my problems. Because when I can effectively wait long enough between posting ads, they seem to work. The problem is its becoming too much of a hassle to do when you're posting from multiple accounts.

I was honestly having better success using less accounts, so I may just stop using my other 10 accounts and go back to 5.

RedShifted

I have a strong belief that jjjjknw is going to get hit by a car today.

mhdeaton

whos the dick - jjjjjknw - posting all this spam can someone stop this guy??

mhdeaton

LOL !!!!~ Ya hopefully he suffers too!

maxrezn

My posting teams have done about 100 ads in 10 cities since 9AM and everything seems to be sticking just fine. It's kinda weird because the content isn't even all that unique...

iAmNameLess

And who is the jackass that is "thanking" him? LOL.

TimD

Wow, I must be doing this bass-ackwards. I've put together a list of headlines. Writing the ads is taking me a long time. I have four ads up across two accounts. And it's taken me two hours.

You veterans - are you using image ads? Or do you just suck it up the first month knowing you are going to be spending a long time writing ads?

Thanks

TimD

Also, I'm seeing a lot of ads repeated verbatim 3 to 4 times in a row, same headline, same text. Thought you couldn't do that.
Tim

imdesigner

Hello maxrezn

I love this...
I tried to PM you but I am not up to my 50 post limit yet to have this privilege.

I am a designer and would love to speak to you about this..
How can I get in touch with you sir? can you PM your email or something?

I've worked for some top marketers. I will surely give you my email if you contact me.

PS: hope this works

maxrezn

Warriors for Hire section.

I got a guy who spins ads and I got a guy who writes ads at $2 a piece.

CBusiness

great information, agreed. Can you share with me who your poster is? I'd love to know someone who is not being ghosted

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maxrezn

That's one piece of the puzzle that I keep to myself.

sundaymorning

I know who it is, but I'm not telling!!! lol

TimD

I just checked some stats and my hometown, Seattle, is the 4th busiest craigslist city in the country. Should I stay out of that market to begin with? Should I start with smaller markets where I can get more visibility?

John Durham

Perhaps, Im just biased against craigslist because I got ghosted everytime I placed an ad a few years back and couldnt get ANYWHERE... However this has been an interesting thread and I personally BUY a few of the people on here.

Particularly Nathan, Red And Maywald.

I have a thought for Adam about his theory that no one source should be your only source.

I believe there is an exception to that rule, and it has to do with what Drea does for a living.

"Recruiting".

"People Power" will never be subject to any algorithm. If one were to use their posting power to recruit a large network of agents... The world would be their oyster.

In other words, instead of depending on the ads for sales, depend on them for RECRUITS,

Good recruits can produce many many sales, using however many methods you teach them in your training materials, including craigslist posting, telephone, door to door, PPC...Whatever methods you give them to succeed with.

This is a way to have one source (people) but be taking advantage of many marketing methods simultaneously.

Just my two cents.

maxrezn

I'll put it to you this way. Per day there might be about 100 ads advertising web design in Seattle. People will only focus on the ones at the top of the page. How many ads will you need to post per day to stay at the top and compete with 100 listings? I find it easier to do well in mid size cities where you only get 30-60 ads per day for a niche.

RedShifted

Hey Max I'm curious about something,

I'm looking for the specific number of ads you say you post everyday.
I thought you said it was 100, but I looked back and couldn't find it.

So that makes me curious. But you're spending $1400 a week on CL ads?

If I was spending that much myself, I'd just buy CladGenius. Which I've been considering doing now for a while.

The only thing I don't like, is you got to keep up with proxies and pvas. Plus I've heard some stories about the software going down for months at a time, which doesn't settle well with me.

I'm gonna have to splurge for either a poster or Clad. CL is profitable for us even on a small level, so I think its time to instate my plan for world domination. =]

maxrezn

There isn't an exact number of ads we post so that's probably why you can't find it. It really depends on how well my posting teams are doing. Some days 6 ads...other days 150, but it will average out to 100 ads a day. I'm no where close to $1400 a week. My average weekly spend is around $300-400.

imdesigner

hey, what company do you use to post ads on CL for you?
I didnt see u on skype today

Duncan2222

this is interesting....

TimD

John, I really enjoy what you add to discussions.

TimD

OK, I wrote 8 ads (thanks to Ewen Mack and Redshifted for getting me halfway there).
Next steps:
Phone numbers: Do I get a google voice number for each ad, and then run the different ads in different towns to test the ads? Or do I get a different phone number for each town? Or can I use my 800 number?

Image ads - it seems easier to make png's of my text ads and run the images. I can make them unique by renaming the images. Is it better to run the text ad or the image ad? How strict are they on duplicate content?

Posting - Thanks to Max for advice on that. To get concrete, I pick a section in a city and then post say 7 ads in that throughout the day? If that's right, then how many sections and how many cities can I realistically post in per 48 hour period? What does the rotation look like?

Thanks guys

fabriano

Thanks a lot for the valuable information.
Just wonder where do you find the CL poster ? Anyone you can recommend ?
Really appreciate.

fabriano

just wonder how cladg working ? It is pretty expensive to start. Is it really better than hiring someone ?

Thanks

RedShifted

You can download a trial of CladG yourself and find out for free. I downloaded the trial a couple months back but still haven't used my activation code yet. I started using human posters back then and pretty much forgot about the software... although I still think about it from time to time.

Whether the software will benefit you, really isn't that dependent on the software. You need to be aware of all the risks, your ROI on a small scale, and make a calculated decision.

What detered me from buying the software, was the phone verified accounts. Proxies aren't a big deal, but I've been seeing a lot of issues with PVA sellers and scamming recently. If I had a credible, long term source for PVAs, then I'd likely buy the software. I was reading too many problems about people getting ripped off by PVA sellers.

Then I've heard problems about the software being shut down for months at a time, and people still needing to pay during these down times. I've also read some distasteful complaints about their customer service department.

Even with that said, it seems that the software does in fact work most of the time. I know people who use it and love it. So overall, I still feel like I'm missing out by not having it. It has the potential to exponentially increase my leads on CL, the problem is, we couldn't handle the work right now. We're in the process training/expanding our company, so I'd need to wait till after x-mas before I consider scaling any of my marketing. Plus this surge of business is a direct result of the hurricane in October, so I'm not even sure how long its going to last. Once we have extra crews/salesmen, I have a feeling the work is going to die down.

In response to Tim D. I seemed to have missed your post and I'm assuming you don't need help anymore. If you do, feel free to post back. I was using the voice numbers to track various different things. Sometimes I'd make a short version of a long ad, and want to test the difference. Other times I wanted to see if my image ads were pulling a better response than my text ads. Other times I used the voice numbers to stop my ads from getting filtered.

But since then, I've changed things around quite a bit. I use to just track which ads were producing the most calls, but now I track impressions and calls. This allows me to see 2 things:

1) How well a specific headline works.
2) How well the copy after the headline works.
3) How I should remix headlines with ad copy to get the best response.

If a headline gets my ad 170 views, but no calls come through, then I know the headline is doing its job but the ad copy is not.

So basically, I use impressions to track headlines, and google voice to track ad copy/conversions.

If you have any more questions, just ask.

-Red

him77

Quick question:

How have you guys been able to track the traffic and views that your listings gets?

malachiteIM

I use Pretty Link - a wordpress plugin. Basic steps involve:

• Host an Ad image on your server
• use Pretty Link to get a URL for the image
• place the image link in your CL ad using the html tag<img src="yourprettylinkurl">
• View the stats on your WP site

HTH

ej155

What service or software do you guys use to change your IP address for multiple CL accounts?

Daniel LaRusso

This is a great thread!

I have a couple of dumb questions, if someone can help me.

If you're posting ads to different cities around you, it seems like it's best to get a local phone number to that city, right?

When you post to different cities, do you create a different craigslist account for each city?

Finally, when you say you post an ad several times throughout the day, I get that you are changing minor things in the ad. But doing it several times, are you posting an entirely new ad each time, so you have several running at any one time?

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jasonl70

You WILL eventually get ghosted if you use the same browser to post excessive ads across several accounts.. it doesn't matter if you change up ip's, clear cookies, etc.. eventually, you will get found.

how??

CL uses a crude browser fingerprint..

what's that?

It's when you check the plug-ins the person has, and what versions they are.. it can be quite an extremely unique fingerprint, particularly when tied into other things like cities/sections posted to. (side note: they don't even bother getting a list of installed fonts - which is readily available and even more unique)

If you check out the source code on the CL pages you post from, you will see this js code plain as day.

oh, and don't think you can cut corners by changing your user agent - this is a rookie move that is trivial to detect, and a sure sign that the person doing it is most likely trying to get around CL filters.

When I was posting a several hundred ads a day for some local businesses, I used different browser installs with different plugins and plugin versions for each CL account I used (I even ran different OS versions within VM's, using proper MAC addresses instead of the VM generated one). They (craigslist) still eventually caught on and knew what I was up to, and while they were always several steps behind me, they eventual just blocked out entire IP ranges of my isp's IP's.

I eventually got tired of the game.. If I were to post again, I would not scale it out so much and end up relying on it for a large part of my income.. stay low, under the radar..

Don't be the parasite that kills it's host

-Jason

MrSwag

I suspected as much. I'm just getting into the CL game, and I have private HTTP Anonymous Proxies, forwarding numbers, everything. But I knew it would be harder to game than just switching IPs/phone numbers (+deleting cookies, etc...).

Thanks for the information, much appreciated. I'm definitely keeping it lowkey (maybe 10-20 posts a day, tops), so I'm hoping that'll keep me off the radar.

It just sucks that Craigslist makes people have to be so sneaky. I'm advertising legit services, not just lazy IM schemes. I think affiliate marketing may have ruined CL...

But like you said, IM parasites are devouring the host too quickly.

fabriano

Hi Red,

Don't know if you can help me with this one.
I try to set up the automatic funnel with wordpress / optimize press / s2member
For most of membership plugins, everything has to work with the same level within wordpress. So if I setup a landing page outside of wordpress, then membership plugin won't be able to detect the payment ? is there anyway to work around it ?
Or anything you can suggest ?

thanks

Fab

chungasos

Who is this mystery CL poster? Why would you not share him so they make more money?

daileydub

Hey everyone,

I just joined this forum. I read and appreciate every great post on this thread. I got more than my moneys worth on one read that's for sure! I have been through 95% of the issues you all were having at one point in time. A lot has changed since this thread started in the CL world and we need to keep it rolling.

So, I have been using CLAD for a couple years for local posting and everything was great! It is not so great anymore and I can't seem to figure out the ghosting issues. I had a friend with CLAD experience try to help me and it worked for a very short time before more ghosting issues. I have been through dozens of accounts and PVAs.
For the past few months I have been posting to the South Florida furniture section getting my ass kicked by competitors that somehow post the same EXACT ad 10 times in a row and seem to be flag/ghost free. I have other competition that will do 200+ image ads per day. I have better quality ads and products than these people, but the 30 ads per day isn't getting me very far in a category that produces 5,000 results per day.

Since CLAD gave out on me I had to downsize from a warehouse 1/4 the size. I continue to grind it out each and everyday manually, but I cant keep up with these other guys numbers. My profits were once $2000/week now I am averaging around $500/week. I am more than willing to outsource but $3000 a month for the volume I need sounds like a risky trial right now especially since my niche is mostly seasonal. If someone knows of a reliable service under $1 per ad or has CLAD running like the machine it was made to be I will compensate you for your time.

Also if anyone wants to teach these local spammers a lesson I am cool with that

bobbywash

I need access to that team to post for me on C.L in the Customer Service Job section.
Here's my Skype: bobbywashmusic

LastingLifeSuccess

Congratulations on your successful CL attack plan.

I also like the way you outsourced so much of this work. Nice networking and execution.

$13,000 is no laughing matter. That's a lot of scratch. Thanks for posting this method.
And, as you said, it works for now!

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CLnovice

tI'm very new to craigslist, but I have spents countless hours trying to master it. I apologize if i dont use the right terminology for certain words, but at least I hope you get the point.

First of all, Craigslist is my one and only life line. I only focus on one to two categories in roughly 2 cities. My plan of attack is 2 computers. One is connected to cell phone hot spot and other is my regular isp home (to flag Spammers NOT competitors) Spammers drive my post down so I just flag them. Flagging -- keeping it short. 30 private dedicated proxies. Sea monkey and firefox + foxy proxy(Proxy changer) + User Agent extensions ( allows you to look like you're flagging from various browsers and devices(iphone, computer, etc) CC Cleaner or sometimes I use private mode. On top of that I contacted a few people to see if they wanted to exchange CLEAN flags--- not flagging competition bc were babies.

As for posting, you will need as many browsers as you want. Create profiles within your computer or use virtual box. I have 6 browsers and I let the cookies hang out there. I use ditto(amazing copy/paste clipboard). Copy competitors ads, but in far away cities. Then I use text spinners to change it. I make sure I put in a keyword or phrase to keep track.

To get new numbers, I use the same line that I have for my hotspot and call my cell phone provider and ask them to change it. I have 9 changes in roughly 45 days.

In the beginning, I tested which ads would be ghosted and/or flagged by Clist. If it cleared, id notate that to put into my mast account. Roughly 8 accounts of which 3 of them have a 90%+ Live Rate. The actual percentage might vary bc I'm not going to calculate it, but what I do is type in my keyword and compare it with my "your postings section" to see which ones are being ghosted or not.

As a side note....I'm very close to finding an AMAZING glitch. It allows you have your post up for right now the furthest I got it was an hour and twenty min. This means if you post at 900am(when you click the submit/publish button) your post stays on top for 9am+10-20 min for processing 1 hour meaning all posts fall underneath yours. I've tried maybe 15 times and got it up as top post 6 times. I'm making a video of it right now, but scared to bc I kinda want to keep this secret to myself.

Wow, I know i was somewhat vague and have no idea if this is the right section to even post it, but thanks for listening

---CL Novice
---Taking out one competitor at a time

DesertSand

IS fiver a good site to get a CL image ad made? OR shall I hire a professional copy writer?

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NickKlimek

Craigslist Lead Magnet is a great service as well
I have been using them for few months now and it's been working out great
Look up Craigslist Lead Provider on FB

Nick Klimek

willysig

Can you disable javascript or use a plugin like Noscript to prevent CL from getting a browser fingerprint from your plugins?

CLnovice

Clist is doing away with externally hosted images....when I have no idea. What I like to do is just go to different cities and copy and paste other similar ads you like and tweak them.
As for titles, I like adding hearts and other special characters to draw in attention. However, this may seem too salesy or dealerish. I combat this with having numerous accounts -- one as a "owner" and other by "dealer"

---CL Novice
---Taking out one competitor at a time

seoraghu

Hi,

What type of services would get best results from CL you feel? Also, I am located in India CL has its listing here in India too but I do not think it is really used here much.

Do you feel that being in India I can post CL ads on US cities targeting my services?

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atrbiz

We post 10+ ads per day in the service sections without issues but we're based in the US and post only in US cities.

However I've tried to post ads in Philippines job section, most of the time they wouldn't show up, so I'm not sure how it would work if you posted from India in the US Craislist but the only way to find out is to test it out and see..

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Gary Pettit

This thread may be over 1 year old but lots of golden nuggets here

maxrezn

Craigslist isn't as easy as it was a year ago, but for those that don't give up at the first set of problems it just means less competition and more leads.