How to win 'real' new clients

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For growth in this environment you have to stay consistent with the clients that you have and start reaching into that 85% of the market that has not been tapped. That is where I see LONG TERM success coming from in a market oriented business model.

Quoting Savidge from another thread . But I like this and its a great point.

Often we can work with clients and find theyre passing the clients between each other and not really winning totally new unique clients into their circles.

An example given was 6 lawn care specialists, winning the same business from each other every year or so and enough to get by but not really bringing in many totally new clients to the client base so the overall client base to pluck the cherries from doesn't really grow, this is when a new player if they move in aggressively can wipe out the market and its a dangerous place to be but soo many are in that place.

So as well as winning our clients new clients from the existing circle of availability, how do we/ you ensure you are playing your part in growing the size of that circle, increasing the number of potential prospects for our clients to pluck from etc .

Do 'we' focus too much on just winning the client and not enough on increasing the market place as a whole?
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    You can do both, increase market share..and increase the market.

    Let's say that you sell shoes. You can advertise to sell shoes to barefoot people...and you can advertise to cause shoe shoppers to buy from you, instead of somewhere else.

    But selling to an existing market is easier. And it's easier to talk about, because the numbers already exist.

    One way to increase your market, is to actually increase the area you draw from. But ultimately, the business is coming from someone else.

    This really happened many years ago.

    I owned (and still own) a vacuum cleaner store. I got a call one day from a Kirby salesman. He said "I's appreciate it if you just stopped selling rebuilt Kirby's. It's hurting my business."

    And Claude The Evil said "Absolutely, I'll stop selling them, because I'm taking sales away from you. Of course, I also sell other brands of vacuum cleaners. And I'm sure I'm taking sales away from Wal-Mart, so I'll stop selling the other brands too. And you can buy bags and filters at the hardware store, so I'll stop selling those too. So, it seems that every sale I make is hurting someone...I'll just go out of business to make everyone happy".

    He said "Now, you're just being ridiculous"

    And I said "I know. You just want me to make you happy, am I right?"

    "Yes"

    "Claude "Well, it's important to me that you are happy. But you know what's even more important to me? That I'm happy"

    And he hung up.
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


      "Claude "Well, it's important to me that you are happy. But you know what's even more important to me? That I'm happy"

      And he hung up.
      You are such a meanie Claude...
      thought it's about time somebody told you!

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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    You increase the market by increasing the area people are willing to travel to your business (change the business/positioning). Or by getting the business to sell something else in addition to what they're selling.

    Either way, the business owners I talk to have no stomach for such things, assuming they understand.

    Even successful ones.

    But if you can get them to change, it helps them a lot.

    You might get them extra money, lots of it, if you can reduce the area they cover without reducing the number of jobs (as in a roofer / window replacement guy who's willing to travel 30 miles to do a job; if you get him the same number of jobs from within a 10 mile area, you create free time... That he/she can use to do more jobs...

    I do think a lot of times about changing something in how they do business that gets them more revenue/time/profits that is not what most people think of as marketing.


    Originally Posted by mjbmedia View Post

    For growth in this environment you have to stay consistent with the clients that you have and start reaching into that 85% of the market that has not been tapped. That is where I see LONG TERM success coming from in a market oriented business model.

    Quoting Savidge from another thread . But I like this and its a great point.

    Often we can work with clients and find theyre passing the clients between each other and not really winning totally new unique clients into their circles.

    An example given was 6 lawn care specialists, winning the same business from each other every year or so and enough to get by but not really bringing in many totally new clients to the client base so the overall client base to pluck the cherries from doesn't really grow, this is when a new player if they move in aggressively can wipe out the market and its a dangerous place to be but soo many are in that place.

    So as well as winning our clients new clients from the existing circle of availability, how do we/ you ensure you are playing your part in growing the size of that circle, increasing the number of potential prospects for our clients to pluck from etc .

    Do 'we' focus too much on just winning the client and not enough on increasing the market place as a whole?
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      And here I thought that post went un noticed!

      The whole concept is obviously very near and dear to me. This is something I have been rather focused on, not only for my own personal business but for the clients that I had / have.

      In the new "Digital Market" there is a great divide. There are those that have and use it, and those that don't. I am not the first nor will I be the last to say the number that don't F A R exceed those that do.

      There are 7.125 BILLION people on this earth, and there are 271 Million Twitter accounts, that's what? 3.8% Does twitter target the 271 million that have an account or the 6,854 Billion that don't? ( Twitter Facts for some other Twitter numbers )

      There are roughly ONE BILLION web domains registered as of September 2014 and ONLY 25% of them are active. There are MORE active Twitter account than there are active Web Sites. ( Internet stats going back to August 1991 )

      There is without question more business' that DO NOT have web sites than those that do. I will tell you that based on research I have done in my local market, the percentage that DON'T is 85%. I can honestly say I found that number to be staggering.

      All of that being said, the standard model in todays world ( there are many a thread in the last week alone that hi-lite this concept ) is to go after clients that already have sites, that already advertise, that already have shoes. You get that right down to brass tacks and the reason? ITS EASY. Low laying fruit.

      Let me throw a concept at you. These Prospects that already advertise that already have sites... How many companies before yours sold them their system? Let me change up the terms a bit.. what is your expected period of retention of these clients? Industry averages say MONTHS at best. Kind of sounds like shiny object syndrome, and WE are the shiny objects.

      Now consider bringing in a new client with no online past, and your system produces results. Do you think they are going to jump ship anytime soon? I might even go as far as to say ever? It is going to take 1 hell of a salesman to pull that client from you. Claude says it all the time that he gets sales calls ALL THE TIME, and its 1 every few months that know what they are doing.

      My retention level with the no online history type of clients over the past 6 years has been 100%. With the shiny object jumpers, it has been about 20% maybe a touch lower. My average retention with this bunch is right at a year.

      I am sure many of you have read when I say "2x the work for 8x the profit" and right there it is laid out. No, that market is not EASY to sell to, It takes a bit of time and patience. But once you have them, they are yours.
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  • Profile picture of the author CageyVet
    There is only a limited amount of Dollars in people/business's pockets and no matter what business you are in, you are stealing those dollars from going to another business.

    And the idea of "New" clients instead of just maintaining the steady amount that a business currently has is call Growth. In order for a business to experience Growth...Growth must be in their business plan. If it is not with in that business to have Growth in their plan, then it is most likely that they are not going to grow (get new clients) because they are ignorant to it. Well everyone can get stuck by dumb luck now(like closest competitor going under) but even then, if the business is does not have growth in mind. They would not be able to withstand the increase in business.

    There is a fairly large leap between marketing and business...in this case the business portion has to come way ahead of the marketing portion.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Pricing and value perception and market reach are areas to have clients consider.
    Of course it depends upon the business.

    We've just done - and are doing - improvements at my hotel. Major ones are insulation between
    walls to dampen sound, and new carpet (remnants from a Hyatt install, we knew the carpet dealer, so it's $40 sq yard stuff) and high grade carpet padding (the quality padding was not much more than low grade padding). We could not have increased prices as much with out these improvements - especially the carpet. A ton of credit also goes to my good housekeeping staff - clean rooms and a good environment are what we sell.

    In my small town, there are three hotels. In the past, we have basically competed pretty head on with the cheap, chain hotel. The third hotel is a very high end boutigue hotel for couples with a lot of money to spend on lodging.

    This year, instead of just $5 to $10 higher than the chain hotel, we have been about $30 per night higher. I also leveled off our pricing to the highest tier. We used to have three tiers of pricing. Going with one tier has made it easier for people to choose the room they want. (We actually had people try to cram four people into a room with a king bed in order to save the $5 or $7 dollar price difference.)

    We have reached a more affluent market. There is a price perception thing going on, ie. you can't find a decent hotel in this area for under $115.00.

    It has been a record year for the history of the hotel. Moving that far away from the cheap, chain hotel has led to much nicer customers and we have had almost no complaints about price/value. I think that people looking for the cheap hotel are just too financially stressed to be traveling/vacationing, and will try to complain or get out of paying full price somehow. Or at least do a nasty review online.

    The people we are reaching now are looking for a nicer place and don't want to have rude, noisy guests around them. And are - for the most part - realistic about having to pay for what you want.

    With the higher prices, we are also coming on the radar of people who never previously considered our town. Again, the perception of what is available (or not available) in this section of the state. And, the realization that we are close enough to the ski areas, or what have you, that they want to do or visit.
    (I don't have control over how we appear on hotels.com or TripAdvisor.com, etc., but I have noticed
    that we do show up in the "also consider" sections with a better class of hotels than prior years. And in the other towns people tend to look at before my town.)

    Sorry for rambling, but maybe people can extrapolate for their clients and/or their own business.

    In the lawn care example that Savidge provided, he said the companies were competing the same 2000 or so lawns. Maybe there are 200 more lawns owned by people who are willing to pay a little more ( maybe add value - like show up at 10am sharp on Wednesdays, use natural products...) and who don't perceive that they can get what they want for the lower rates the lawn care businesses are offering.

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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      When you are talking about lawn care professionals or doctors or shoe stores the dynamic from my post above does change.

      What is cool with working with 6 lawn care guys has been is that over time all 6 will go along with some half brained concept I may have like consolidating routes and reducing travel time during a day.

      1 of the guys in 2013 travelled 24,000 miles for the season. This year, 12,000 and had more lawns and charged more money. Obviously his gas expense is down, his hourly help remained a constant your over year ( even tho he did more lawns ) and his overall income went up due to the increase number of lawns and the price increasing. That is simply good business.

      Not that I am tooting my own horn here but having a business minded marketer looking over the top of these guys and seeing them banging their heads against a wall, and saying "There has to be a better way". I brought these guys together and said hey you all need to work with each other and not against one another.

      There is no more low balling between them. and overall things are pretty good. My efforts for these guys this year is actually going to take 2 of these companies out of the residential market, ( so the others will split that work, thus increasing their business ) and moving the 2 across to commercial work only.

      Growth has many faces, be it reaching into new segments of a market, new geographical markets, or increasing customer base within the market you already reach to. Sure somebody somewhere is going to loose out. As @Plessard pointed out yesterday, it is basically our job to Destroy business'. There simply are winners and there are losers.

      I honestly look at this when I am prequalifying a business to take on. What is their overall chance of being a "Winner". Winners are a guarantee for repeat business, and losers, well they suck!

      Looking at what DABK has said, yes I think there are times you want to step in and suggest / make those adjustments that will increase your clients overall performance. As a marketer I believe that my overall value is based on the ROI from my efforts. If there is something I can see that will help with overall ROI, even tho it is not directly related to what I am doing, It only makes what I do look that much better in the end when the number crunching starts.
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  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
    My reason for this thread was a to highlight Savidges post cos I also felt it had been overlooked and deserved more recognition but more so was to suggest that our jobs as marketers is to get clients from the less obvious places, using lawn services as the ongoing example if I may, the challenge is to get prospects seeing having their lawns professionally done as adding value to their property, their lives, freeing up time for them etc etc and then finding a way to get them to start using such a paid service over DIY . that is developing TRUE new business , not just 'stealing' the client from A N Other supplier but introducing a whole shiny new paying client into the industry . Start to multiply those results and youre truly adding value to your customer, then of course the customer has to deliver and keep those shiny new clients . And you can help them there.

    How to create a truly new client, (lifted from Deiss or someone similar but been used before he was born too) make them a no brainer offer to trial the lawn service, $5 , $10 , do the most fantastic service on their lawn, leave them with a coupon for the next service at $10, $20 , get the booking, do a fantastic job , leave them a coupon for next service $20, $40 , do a fantastic job , leave them some special plants that due to the gardener knowing the soil, garden, sunlight, drainage, clients likes/dislikes etc , colour scheme etc they know it will be a great fit for this garden , job done, leave them a coupon for next service $35, $55 do a great job, you have a full paying customer for life and how many people are they going to tell about you, especially when they see those new plants . That could take care of an entire street in a house proud keep up with the Jones' neighbourhood.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    @Savidge

    In case you are not already suggesting this, have your lawn care guys (or any other drive time business) route themselves so they make as many right turns as possible and go in the most logical order. This saves an amazing amount of time, miles, and fuel - especially in states where right turns at red lights are legal. It is also a lot, lot safer because they are not making left turns with oncoming traffic. Especially driving a truck and trailer.

    I did this when I was a courier and shaved my Boulder, CO route from almost 2 hours to 45 minutes. UPS has proprietary software that does it for them.

    UPS Trucks Don't Turn Left - Business Insider

    I think of marketing as anything that will lead to new, repeat and referral business.
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