What is your view on discounts?

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This applies equally to online and offline marketing...
As a web hosting company, I have a policy of NOT offering discounts, HOWEVER almost all other hosts do offer discounts.
That said, out prices are generally what their end discounted price is...
What I want to know is this, what do you think about discounted prices and why do you think they work?
I personally feel that "discounted" prices constitutes lying to customers, I find most discounts are of inflated prices and further, "discounts" show little or no value to your loyal customers.
My problem is that finding a middle ground is hard...
An example our .COM $11.99... Godaddy $1.99...or reality, $14.99
Another example is more common here, the 79.99 but today only 19.99 for something that when you come back in a month still has the SAME "today only" offer!
What are some HONEST ways to work around this deception?
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    You can use real discounts which have a real deadline. Here the discount is on your website, in your store, etc., and has a specific date when it ends the product goes back to a regular price.

    You can also have a regular price for your product and use coupons. Here the discount is not listed on your website or your site, or but may only be available to select buyers, affiliates, newsletter subscribers, etc.

    A discount could also be based on a quantity purchase, such as number of items or length of time purchased.

    As for fake discounts which forever list a fake price and a 'discounted' price for today only (and every day) I wouldn't worry about what someone else does. But, if you have a comparison page you could flip their advertising to your advantage.

    Example: Would you trust your valuable website to a host that lies to you from day 1 to make a nickel? Check out our competitor's ad graphic which claims blah blah blah. Here at [our company] we believe in honesty and delivering a truly remarkable service to our customers. If someone lies to get your business they are probably lying about everything else. Check out our testimonials .....

    For legal reasons I'd make sure my butt was well protected with plenty of documentation.

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  • Profile picture of the author GforceSage
    The discount offer is what gets people to bite. The bottom line is, you have to make the math work for you. If you can hook the customer with an offer and have a way to extract more money from them, it's a winning transaction. That's why low introductory offers work well when you can get a minimum time commitment to recoup the money you sacrificed to get new business.

    You have to be careful though, many restaurants no longer want to offer a Groupon type offer because instead of hooking the customer with a major discount in hopes of return business, a large number of "Coupon Whores" have been created who now mostly go where they can find a major discount. You are not losing money on food costs by offering hosting. Maybe your issues are bandwidth usage. You can decide if it is worth your while to try offering a discount, if you can collect for extended hosting, so it all works out in the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slade556
    When people hear the word discount, something just clicks in their heads. It's how the brain works, it's only normal. Even if the discounts you talk about aren't actually real, they're still discounts to the people who don't know it. Look at it as a marketing strategy, offering discounts or freebies are the best ways to attract people to your business.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      I price every product and service I offer on the basis that I plan to give up to a 20% discount, but it is 'time related' and used to create a sense of urgency.

      This is America. Discounts are ingrained into the national psyche. Use that fact to your advantage or lose business to someone that has learned how to do so. Your choice. :-)

      Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Along with discounting, IMHO you have to talk about pricing, positioning,
    and levels/quality of service or product. And, you have to train your customers
    by explaining why you do things the way you do.

    I had a friend who is amongst the first web designers/webmasters ever.
    He and his partner hand coded and designed each site. He preferred
    liquidweb (I'm pretty sure I recall correctly) because if he had a problem he
    could talk to a level 3 tech. He strongly believed they were worth the extra
    money to him and his clients. He did not care about discounts.

    My hotel used to be priced about $5 to $10 more than the cheap hotel in town.
    We had more bad revues and more complaints about value and our breakfast
    offerings than we do now. Now we are $30 to $50 above the cheap hotel, and
    getting great reviews and compliments about value...

    We have hit a completely different market and just plain nicer people with more
    money to spend, and they are more relaxed about finances. The economy may
    be better than two years ago. But, the only noticeable difference at my hotel is
    that we have really nice new carpet and the best padding.

    With respect to discounting, you have to be very careful about attracting bargain
    hunters versus your ideal customer. (Back to positioning.) (I tried contacting Groupon
    and never heard back from them, and I am glad for it.)

    For most any company, IMHO an honest deal is the only way to go. I think people
    see through the false scarcity tactics, and through the 'discount' that is off the
    fake high price.

    Besides a flat out discount, you can offer a good value on a package deal, volume deal,
    or good pricing on something like a yearly payment versus monthly.

    At my hotel I offer (with black out periods during holidays) 10% off to members
    of such groups as the American Automobile Association, AARP, teachers, school
    district employees, police, fire, military, government...

    I offer the lowest rate I can to frequent customers. It is on an informal basis
    and in the 10 to 20% range. (I need to CRM this.)

    I offer a group rate to wedding parties and such. It may or may not be discounted off retail
    because contrary to a lot of thinking, even though they are booking a lot of rooms, it might
    be when we are going to sell out at retail regardless. I make the organizer feel they are
    getting a special deal and tell them to tell their guests to ask for the Smith wedding party
    rate. (I hope no future customers are reading this.) It's not super strait forward, but losing
    money on a group is not good. Groups, especially wedding parties and music events, are
    often more work, security, and cleaning.

    I usually don't match offers to people who say the other hotel offered $65 including tax.
    Especially if current retail is a lot higher. "I've come down from $99 to $80. I'm sorry and
    that's as far as I am willing to go." (Unless it's a sweet grandma type.) Part of training the
    customer base and reaching the customers I want. I think my customers are paying for
    a good, safe, respectful atmosphere in addition to clean rooms and our amenities.

    Dan
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    • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      With respect to discounting, you have to be very careful about attracting bargain hunters versus your ideal customer.
      As someone I learned a lot from - Damien Parker - probably not big in USA or even on radar for many....

      Discounts are like "Heroin" ...you will lose in the end
      Positioning of your products is vital.

      Once you say you can get a lower price then it i assumed pricing is flexible.

      I work in an area of price flexibility but there has to be compromise from both sides when the "price" moves.

      You want a cheaper price...PAY NOW... cash only...no credit cards....etc.

      People like Claude Whitacre, Ewen, Peter Lessard can offer more insights on this.

      Price does affect things but VALUE is far more powerful.
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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

        As someone I learned a lot from - Damien Parker - probably not big in USA or even on radar for many....



        Positioning of your products is vital.

        Once you say you can get a lower price then it i assumed pricing is flexible.

        I work in an area of price flexibility but there has to be compromise from both sides when the "price" moves.

        You want a cheaper price...PAY NOW... cash only...no credit cards....etc.

        People like Claude Whitacre, Ewen, Peter Lessard can offer more insights on this.

        Price does affect things but VALUE is far more powerful.
        Not too long ago - UPS almost bankrupted their ground shipment division by competing
        on price with the other carriers such as DHL, Airborne and FedEx Ground. Surprising because
        I'm sure they had a lot of employees with MBA's and it always costs at least x amount to load
        and run a truck and driver...
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      • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
        Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post


        People like Claude Whitacre, Ewen, Peter Lessard can offer more insights on this.

        Price does affect things but VALUE is far more powerful.
        Peter and I are keeping quite on this because
        Peter is close to closing a deal in this space.

        There is a BIG unsatisfied group in the web hosting
        market which all web hosting companies are clueless to.

        Price doesn't come into it.

        Best,
        Doctor E. Vile
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        • Profile picture of the author savidge4
          What I find interesting about the initial post is the math. They use GoDaddy as an example ( this is who I use in btw ) It is not until the 5th YEAR that $11.99 a year is cheaper [ ( $11.99 X 5 = $59.95 ) ( GoDaddy - $1.99 + ( 4 X $14.99 ) = $61.95 )

          When you look at stats such as the average lifespan of a website is 45 to 70 DAYS ( again that is DAYS ) the low up front cost is a HUGE market consideration.

          I believe there is a difference in discounting per se and reaching market average value. A good case study in that concept would be Radio Shack. I could goto e-bay and by anything that Radio Shack had in the store at next to nothing and wait 3 days to get it, or I could pay out the nose for the "convenience" of getting it today... 99% of the time waited. they never adjusted to the changing world market in any way shape or form. And they paid the price. they think they are stuck in the 80's, and I say its pricing.

          I will tell you with my products and services I play with pricing all the time. as an example I sell stuff on e-bay I will list the same item 2x and sometimes more at different price points. with free shipping ( there is nothing free they are simply paying more lol ) Priority shipping 1st class etc. I look to see what products sell at what price points and why.

          I would say that all most all of the time and there are exceptions sure, but most of the time the low end price bracket sells least. the mid priced items sells most, and the high end sells less than mid priced but more than low priced.

          I can tell you that with e-bay Free 3 day shipping is a deal maker.. it simply crushes any other offer most of the time. I can tell you with commerce sites, the same thing Free shipping will increase conversion by stupid amounts in some cases. EVEN if you are more expensive than your competitor on price.. FREE shipping takes it over the top.

          I personally will NEVER say I am discounting.. I am "price adjusting" to meet market needs / demands... I am price adjusting to find that sweet conversion spot. I am price adjusting to get the most ROI. and I finally price adjust to release myself of dated goods.

          So back to the OP.. sure your not playing games and your being honest. I get it..Im right there with you. I dont play games either, but GoDaddy and its games... well its shooting for a $200,000,000 IPO this year. Are they games and lying or is it good marketing?
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          • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
            Godaddy is using those low cost entry points
            to upsell more and at higher price points.

            They are capturing buyers of one thing
            solely to sell other services.

            They have taken out what has been a profit center
            for others.

            Beyond their business model, there's still opportunity
            to be very profitable even if a hosting company doesn't
            have a long list of upsell's.

            Best,
            Doctor E. Vile
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            • Profile picture of the author savidge4
              I don't think GoDaddy has taken anything. you want the $1.99 you have to pay for 2 years so they are collecting $16.98. the OP is probably sitting there offering one year at $11.99. The average site is up a total of 45 to 70 DAYS. at the end of the day who has brought in more money? - and in those numbers there is no "Upsells"


              I think maybe you are confusing the what the OP has stated about GoDaddy. they are not talking about hosting as much as they are talking about Domain purchase - I prefer the term rental lol.


              But regardless in that market be it hosting or domains... the life cycle of your average customer is extremely short. but in both cases the product / service is returned for resale at the end of the contract. At the point of each "Rental" you want to obtain maximum ROI. I personally have not a clue how much a domain name costs GoDaddy from Icann... but seriously do we think its that much?


              Take this over to servers.. they don't cost much at all in the realm of tech expense. I could have a top of the line Raid server sitting in my office ( I do actually ) and I have about $4000 into it. I have had it for 5+ years. the extended value of that piece of equipment is about zilch when compared to owning it, or buying domain space to run my in office applications. ( hosting space would cost me about $2500 a year at a minimum )


              It all comes down to the 3 basic principles of successful business; Acquisition, Retention, and Referral. does $1.99 beat out $11.99 in terms of acquisition? I think the answer to that is obvious. Once you have signed up for that Retention is basically a given. Then referral? in that industry... Blue, Go and Host are top dogs.










              Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

              Godaddy is using those low cost entry points
              to upsell more and at higher price points.

              They are capturing buyers of one thing
              solely to sell other services.

              They have taken out what has been a profit center
              for others.

              Beyond their business model, there's still opportunity
              to be very profitable even if a hosting company doesn't
              have a long list of upsell's.

              Best,
              Doctor E. Vile
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  • Profile picture of the author nurz
    Discount is one easy way to market your business. It gives a sense of urgency to your customers especially if it’s ‘time limited offer’. With too many businesses of the same niche it’s important to do something or use strategies that could help you shine and one of those is giving discount and promo offers. As for offering fake discounts, many companies really do that but I advise against this. Fake discounts usually lure customers but when they find out about this deception you’ll end up losing more customers than you can afford.
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    • Profile picture of the author nexxterra
      Here are a few issues I have related to MY business, which is web hosting.
      1) creating a sense of urgency... Would you host your website with a host that seems desperate ? What is the hurry? where are they going? We are selling stability and reliability!
      2) our price of $4.95 a month is generally only matched or beaten when you are "forced" to order hosting for 3 or 4 years with most companies.
      3) our domains are priced at what you pay, Godaddy and others , give you a $1 price, and this only is possible if you add services... final check out will be higher than most of the highest priced domains.
      So there you have it, the hosting industry tends to start the relationship out with a lie.
      We want to get our share of the business but We do not want to lie.
      How would you work around this? What other than a discount makes you just have to buy something?
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Don't compete on price - especially with the big boys like godaddy.

    Target more tech savvy people, web designers/developers, IT.
    They know what they are looking for and don't care so much about discounts or cheap.

    Position yourself like the auto dealers or furniture stores that
    stress fair pricing without games, quality of service, equipment and employees...

    Appeal to reasonable, smart people who know what a speedy website that is up all the time
    means to their business, or their client's business.

    maybe even make fun of the "other guys" and their gamesmanship (without getting sued of course)

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  • Profile picture of the author gripawa
    In what world do you live men are you from English royalty,why blame people for wanting discount prices,please dont be ridiculous and have ready always some true coupons on your whmcs,and one thing more dont you dare to remove them ok?

    Ye take it like a men and true warrior
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    • Profile picture of the author nexxterra
      Originally Posted by gripawa View Post

      In what world do you live men are you from English royalty,why blame people for wanting discount prices,please dont be ridiculous and have ready always some true coupons on your whmcs,and one thing more dont you dare to remove them ok?

      Ye take it like a men and true warrior

      You do not make sense, if you are buying a car or a jug of milk, then discounts make sense because you have something to compare prices to... With most of what is sold here and what I offer, price is out of the air, it is arbitrary, So if you want $10 for something you ask for $10, because of this, your "giving" a discount, is just BSing the customer!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremiah Walsh
    I have a love/hate relationships with discounts. If you have to discount its because you have not shown enough value in your product. You need to focus on providing more value than on providing more discounts.

    When you discount you actually devalue your product and that is a slipperly slope. If they find less value, they are less likely to stay your customer as someone else with a deeper discount will come calling and take them away.

    If you provide exceptional value and they understand that value you will keep your customer for a longer time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
      At least be accurate and honest....godddy does do some $1 or $1.99 domain deals and NO you do not have to buy 2 years or more ...

      I like discounts...most people do.

      If you offer some personal/artistic/creative/tech service...yeah I can see not discounting it
      like if you design a wordpress theme....or have a graphics package for sale...or you design logos etc...

      but web hosting? buying a domain? Yeah I am looking for a deal
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      • Profile picture of the author Rozanne
        Usually, people are looking for discounts. I think, if you are offering some discounts on hosting then surely your hosting service name will spread through the word of mouth and more traffic will come to your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremiah Walsh
    I also find that a lot of hosting companies offer steep discounts as lost leaders. They then try to upsell you on addon services and such.

    It does work, otherwise they wouldn't keep doing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author hbhanot
    Discount is always good and most webmasters look for new hosting even though
    they happy with the one they have.
    New websites and new servers is what I meant.
    Discount will make their decisions easy to get yours to test.
    Use FB Offer and then Fbads.
    I think it will be the best choice.
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  • Profile picture of the author misterme
    "discount" is a word that means "bargain" "cheap" when used up front. You can paint pictures with other words if you don't want that association, but everyone loves to get something for less.

    So, "$100 discount today off our $300 price" gets one type of shopper whereas "Regular value of $300, but enjoy a courtesy savings of $100 today" gets another.
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  • Profile picture of the author wavemaster
    I found for some reason if I would give a new customer 1 time discount I would make more sales and make more money than if I didn't offer the discount. Test it out advertise a certain discount if they order by a certain date. And I also found that customers stayed around longer if I gave them a good deal.
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