Why are you ignoring joint ventures? Case study inside.

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This is something I don't really read much about on the forums, and it really surprises me. Joint ventures is the most leveraged model for getting qualified leads, perhaps moreso than a referral model.

At the present I am managing the JV relationships for a financial counseling service. We manage the customer's weekly cashflow, give financial advice, and ultimately get people's mortgages paid off faster. Before I joined the business they were cold calling residential leads, and the results were very subpar, even with a proven script. B2B didn't work that much better. Cold calling is extremely unleveraged, no one wants to do the calls, and people generally don't like receiving them, and the quality of the appointments usually aren't great either. This is not an issue of qualifying, some people will say ANYTHING to simply nice you away on the phone 'Sure, we're interested. Come on over,' And when you get there, they sit and look at you, nod and smile, and give some vague reason why they can't proceed on that night. This would happen again and again, and the owner was sick of running on this kind of treadmill.

Instead, we looked at setting up joint ventures between the business I worked for and competing but complimentary companies in our city. We went after the big fish, and for us it was the investment property niche. These guys have door knockers, inbound ads, telemarketers generating leads all day long.. and the thing is maybe 80% of people are NOT qualified to purchase a home.. they want to.. but simply do not have borrowing capacity. The thing is, these leads are wood for them.. beyond useless, but for us it's like finding a virgin vein of gold. These people are an ideal fit, all have a mortgage, all want to be financially independent in the next ten to twenty years, all acknowledge they have an issue and are responsive to telemarketers. We set up a deal where we paid the property investment company $500 per settlement, as well as referring the client back to them once they have the required equity/cashflow to make a purchase. What could be a better synergy for both businesses?

We now have a few hundred qualified leads coming in per week from property groups, perfectly qualified and aware of what's going to happen next in the process. The next step is to continuing the leverage by hiring a small room of telemarketers to call these leads and set up appointments, no more cold calling! Using a proven script which has been tweaked for the referral partnership. These leads have already had three touch points before they arrive on the telemarketer's desk..

This post isn't meant to brag, but to open your eyes to the power and leverage of joint partnerships. We have less than 5 big partners that we work with, and we're flush with leads.. so it's not about high volume unlike cold calling.. and this is only in one vertical! There are another 4 big industries we can replicate this process with, and will get a similar result.

How I did it was by cold calling potential partners. But it wasn't exactly that simple. When you approach a business with the idea of discussing a joint venture, you get the same skeptical reaction as any other salesman calling for an appointment. Even in situation like this, where it could be argued that they 'Win', more than we do with the deal. It's like someone saying to you: 'I'm going to let you test drive my Ferrari.' It's weird, and sounds too good to be true. You will be thinking 'What's the catch? What's in it for you?' Yes, you can have the perfect rehearsed answer for this, and hope somehow it makes the right connection in the person's mind.. but like I've been saying for the past few weeks, when they start leaning that way it's dangerous territory.. and you foolishly put the deal at risk.

Anyway, you need to position yourself VERY DIFFERENTLY, in fact you must frame the initial conversation in a way that the other person is qualifying yourself TO YOU as to why they would be a good fit. You need to behave like you would in a game of poker.. sitting on a pair of aces.. and somehow you know the other person has a pair of shitty cards.. you need to slow play your proposal to get the most out of them, to get to invest in the idea of doing business with you. I won't share the exact method or script I use here for free, but if you pay attention to what I've just said it will give you a good baseline. You don't want to come across as selling anything, that's the most important principle.. so you don't want to ever say 'We want to increase your revenue by monetizing your unqualified leads', on the surface that sounds like a good deal right, I mean it makes sense, doesn't it? NO. This opens a whole plethora of objections in the person mind 'What do you get out of it? Are you trying to rip me off? Why did you call me and not someone else? How much work is this going to be?.' So you want the person to be more eager to do business with you than you are with them.. and get them excited and tell you what they thought THEY get out of the deal, you want them to suggest the meeting, set the time, and initially define the expectations. You need to them think it was THEIR idea even if you initially reached out to them.

So you might not have the exact synergies as my business does with others.. but I guarantee if you are creative you will find complimentary firms that want to increase their revenue and get more referrals.

For example, when I was running a web design business from my bedroom, I got a bunch of leads from graphic design businesses, companies that do corporate identity, SEO companies which don't do web design, businesses that do printing like business cards etc. Depending on what you sell there will be stronger and weaker synergies.. but the point is that they are there. You want to take what is JUNK to them and sell your service, give a commission to your partner, then refer back the original lead when they raise their hand to buy the referrer's product. If the prospect decides to buy,

The hard part is actually getting these relationships to begin with, and that involves very precise positioning, and having a proven product which is a fit, it needs to be a no brainer for the other person to see the potential synergy.

So.. think bigger! You only have so much time and energy, and in today's world it no longer makes sense, nor is it really financially responsible to be chasing one sale after another. That's really old school, and it's becoming harder and harder to make it work, even for the most experienced and talented cold callers in the world such as myself, let alone a newbie whose voice shakes when he picks up the phone. Most of the time, there's nothing I can do or say to make it work, it's just.. how it is. There are too many elements of randomness and mechanics at play which are directly out of my influence.. and I'm tired of it after nearly a decade of cold calls.

I'm willing to help people generate ideas and share what I've learned about joint venture channels in this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
    Thanks Matthew for your post.

    I'm trying bigger relationship strategies also but one thing that worked for me over the years in my framing business was to partner with Florists.

    I made it really simple for them.

    I branded a beautiful gift cheque and positioned it as a thank you from the florist to their clients.

    It is only $50 but I ask them to use if for all bridal floral arrangements as a small thank you to the "usually the bride or bride's mother" who is arranging the floral bouquets for a wedding.

    Every month we pick up framing jobs for wedding photos and more importantly we pick up a new homeowner and couple that will become long-term clients.

    The actual cost of acquiring these clients via normal means is something like $105 by my analysis so gifting $50 is a half price qualified prospect who is highly likely to convert and if they don't it cost us nothing.
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    • Profile picture of the author trevstar22
      This is really good info. I am surprised more people have not responded. There actually was a very popular WSO about this where you set up referrals for mutual advantage with related businesses.
      This certainly is worth looking into.
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      • Profile picture of the author Matthew North
        Originally Posted by trevstar22 View Post

        This is really good info. I am surprised more people have not responded. There actually was a very popular WSO about this where you set up referrals for mutual advantage with related businesses.
        This certainly is worth looking into.
        It's simply not the status quo around here. It's a long-term strategy, not some get rich quick scheme you try for a few weeks because you can't afford to pay your rent. It's probably not the right kind of content for most people here.
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        • Profile picture of the author luke4
          Originally Posted by Matthew North View Post

          It's simply not the status quo around here. It's a long-term strategy, not some get rich quick scheme you try for a few weeks because you can't afford to pay your rent. It's probably not the right kind of content for most people here.
          This sums up the WF quite nicely as of the past year. This is why I only really stick to the offline marketing section.
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  • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
    In the "spa/salon" niche I have implemented this for many years

    I always encourage the owner to reach out (or I reach out) to proven "synergistic" businesses...

    ......ignore franchises....or chains.....reach out to other independent biz

    hair only salon -
    spa with massages/body treatments etc
    a plastic surgeon/ dermatologist
    permanent makeup artist (assuming none on staff at any of the above)
    boutique
    weight loss center

    and so forth

    another example can be "home" services

    plumber
    air cond
    appliance
    pest control

    there are many other combos

    networking - events - is a good way to reach out

    what you don't want - a bunch of people in competition
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  • Profile picture of the author mrdeflation
    why?

    Because I know how hard I work and I do NOT trust anyone else.

    Definitely not against JV, however finding someone competent is like playing the lottery with a much worse payout
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    • Profile picture of the author Matthew North
      Originally Posted by mrdeflation View Post

      why?

      Because I know how hard I work and I do NOT trust anyone else.

      Definitely not against JV, however finding someone competent is like playing the lottery with a much worse payout
      It seems you misunderstand my original post.

      I agree you can't blindly expect someone to perform to your standards, which is why you must define them for both your and your partner's best interest. There can be no collective confusion, you must approach the project like you are one business.

      It's not really about finding someone competent, although there are many very successful businesses out there. Even with companies that have sub par product and sales processes, they will still have access to resources exclusive to them, to people and leads that you do not.

      You aren't asking for a merger, you just want their leads or customer base to market to so you both win. As I said, the hard part is A: finding the partners and, more importantly, B: getting them to agree to a joint venture. Easy. Once you know how to do both of these things you don't really need to spend any money on marketing, aside from the cost of maintaining these relationships. You are leveraging the trust and authority of another respected brand, you are literally using someone else's marketing dollars to sell your own product. What could be better?

      People make this stuff way too complicated. No wonder people have a paralysis of taking action when there's so many different rabbit holes to go down. And when an idea like this comes across, which seems easy, the natural reaction for people is to remain skeptical. They would literally prefer the idea of calling 200 people and making one sale to the possibility of approaching 1 business for a JV and walking out with 10 new clients, because cold calling is an established reality. There's less risk of feeling foolish, or wasting your time.. or having to really think about what you are doing. Buy a script, pick up the phone and dial. I can't blame people for that. People want what SEEMS easy, even though the reality of cold calling is much more brutal, inefficient and intimidating. Even doing online ads to generate leads is costly and a game of constant optimization and hit and miss, when there are literally hundreds of local businesses that have the kind of lists ALREADY you are spending thousands trying to create from scratch. Seems silly doesn't it? But most people have no real conception of how to actually do this, or that it really works. I suppose that's why.. If I can help people realize this as a reality in their own business then I will do so.
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  • Profile picture of the author animal44
    I struggle to understand how you can legally telemarket to these leads. Have they given permission for your JV partner to pass on their contact information? How do you track results?

    In our JVs it's always the list owner who sends out the offers...

    People can be resistant to JVs for many reasons, but I do agree that they're a fantastic way to generate business. Most of my income comes from organising JVs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Matthew North
      Originally Posted by animal44 View Post

      I struggle to understand how you can legally telemarket to these leads. Have they given permission for your JV partner to pass on their contact information? How do you track results?

      In our JVs it's always the list owner who sends out the offers...

      People can be resistant to JVs for many reasons, but I do agree that they're a fantastic way to generate business. Most of my income comes from organising JVs.
      We have had zero issues of people being resistant.. if they are resistant it's 100% of how you are presenting the JV and how you are positioning yourself.. there's also difference between hearing 'There is no real synergy between ourselves and your business.', and someone being resistant. The first relates to qualifying, the second positioning. As I said, if you come across as selling something, or appear to be gaining more out of the deal than they are, they will resist, not because it's not a 'Good deal', but because of the perception of value.

      They aren't just dumping people's contact info on our desk. That would be against so many privacy and fair commerce laws in Japan and Australia..

      As part of their sales process, they are letting them know, from the very first touch point, that they could be recommending them to us, and that they should expect a phone call if it would make sense in their situation. They need to express their consent first, because they might be on the do not call register, and we'd get boned by a big fine, and we can't legally give unsolicited financial advice. But all in all, doing the right thing by people makes our leads more qualified and more eager to buy. The telemarketers are calling less leads, and working less hours, while making more commission. It's a win all around. It's nice how the universe rewards integrity in that way.
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  • Profile picture of the author answergal
    I am pretty new at JV's This information you provided me gave me a clearer picture of what I need to be doing. Thanks so much
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  • Profile picture of the author hardyfella
    One of Jay Abrahams favourite tactics, especially when starting out. These businesses have lists of previous customers, which they dont even see as having any value... they are just looking for the next new customer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Stevens
      Hi Matthew,

      Sorry to dig up this old thread, but I just wanted to ask you a question.

      By financial counselling, do yoummean financial planners/advisors?

      Hope all good your end.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarcParkinson
    This indeed is golden info for someone like me who has been overlooking the potential of JV opportunities, Thanks man
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