I want to start a web development company

by MN786
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Hi warriors,

I am a part of affiliate market from past many years, now I want to start a company to offer services like web development (PHP, .net and andriod) and promotion (PPC, SEO, Social media), I have a team to do so but I don't want to depend on freelancers, I need suggestions to get projects directly from clients. can anybody guide me that how can I get projects for my company?
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  • Profile picture of the author JustinChaschowy
    There's so much competition you are facing. Coming to a point where there's more engineers than projects to engineer. What makes you special? Think about that first.
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    • Profile picture of the author overmind
      you have to possess some patience !! good luck
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      • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
        I'm not sure what you're asking.

        Are you asking how to do marketing? Sales?

        There's so much to learn about running a business, if you don't have an idea how you will acquire customers, maybe you need to put together a feasible plan first.

        Research, learn, test a strategy and go from there. Jumping in head first into a slab of concrete isn't going to give you good results.
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        • Profile picture of the author MN786
          Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

          I'm not sure what you're asking.

          Are you asking how to do marketing? Sales?

          There's so much to learn about running a business, if you don't have an idea how you will acquire customers, maybe you need to put together a feasible plan first.

          Research, learn, test a strategy and go from there. Jumping in head first into a slab of concrete isn't going to give you good results.
          I am trying to do the same, actually I have a lot of experience to promote online but not to get clients by offline marketing. I have a team so I want to utilize . Well thanks for suggestion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
      Originally Posted by JustinChaschowy View Post

      There's so much competition you are facing. Coming to a point where there's more engineers than projects to engineer. What makes you special? Think about that first.

      I couldn't disagree more. New businesses are being started every day and most have no website and maybe no advertising plans in place.

      There are an enormous amount of established business owners that are completely clueless about marketing online. Many don't see the need or benefits of having a website.

      Markets change and new opportunities arise constantly.

      The only thing I see possibly changing long term is SEO. Google has begun to test the waters of local lead generation themselves and if they find it to be profitable, which they likely will, there's no telling what will happen.

      Still, web design, backend services like hosting, social media set-up, etc will be around for as long as the internet exists, at least as we know it.

      One area that I plan to become more diverse in is various proven methods of advertising. Businesses will always need new customers. Without them, they're dead in the water.
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      • Profile picture of the author quadagon
        Originally Posted by MN786 View Post

        Hi warriors,

        I need suggestions to get projects directly from clients. can anybody guide me that how can I get projects for my company?

        Originally Posted by JustinChaschowy View Post

        There's so much competition you are facing. Coming to a point where there's more engineers than projects to engineer. What makes you special?
        Justin's right every Tom, Dick and Harry is now a 'web designer' there are people on this forum that position themselves as such whilst their own sites are free wordpress themes. Getting a website built is easy. I use the analagy of everyone can sing but not everyone can sing.

        You'll need to differentiate yourself from the crowd otherwise you are on a race to the bottom and you can't compete with free.

        The good news is that:

        Originally Posted by Joe Stewart View Post

        New businesses are being started every day and most have no website and maybe no advertising plans in place.
        This is where to target you activities. Get in first and build lifetime customers find business clubs, enterprise zones and meet ups. The future of online is offline

        Originally Posted by Joe Stewart View Post

        There are an enormous amount of established business owners that are completely clueless about marketing online. Many don't see the need or benefits of having a website.
        You will at some point feel the temptation to target existing business' who don't have websites. My advice is save your energy it's 2016 if they don't have one now they ain't getting one.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
          Originally Posted by quadagon View Post

          You will at some point feel the temptation to target existing business' who don't have websites. My advice is to save your energy it's 2016 if they don't have one now they ain't getting one.

          I disagree with this, too. Established businesses already have a regular advertising budget set aside that they're spending somewhere. Someone just needs to show them how much money they're LOSING to their competition by not having a website and diverting some of their existing advertising money towards promoting it.

          This could be as simple as showing them the amount of searches being done in their area using the Google Keyword Planner and then showing them who's already ranking high for those keywords. I've had two clients whose blood began to boil when they saw who was ranking on the first page of Google for their terms. The fear of loss and the dislike (putting it mildly) of their competition is enough to light a fire under a lot of people. These business owners are competing for the same customers in their area and the competition takes money out of their pockets.
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          • Profile picture of the author quadagon
            Originally Posted by Joe Stewart View Post

            I disagree with this, too. Established businesses already have a regular advertising budget set aside that they're spending somewhere. Someone just needs to show them how much money they're LOSING to their competition by not having a website and diverting some of their existing advertising money towards promoting it.

            This could be as simple as showing them the amount of searches being done in their area using the Google Keyword Planner and then showing them who's already ranking high for those keywords. I've had two clients whose blood began to boil when they saw who was ranking on the first page of Google for their terms. The fear of loss and the dislike (putting it mildly) of their competition is enough to light a fire under a lot of people. These business owners are competing for the same customers in their area and the competition takes money out of their pockets.
            Things maybe different where you are but when I was dealing with SME's I found a lot of business didn't have a marketing plan let alone a budget. At best it was we stick something in the local rag.

            I do agree with the methodology you use regarding fear of loss though. I actually show them how many searches there are a month and times it by the typical job value.

            I then show them that 91% of searches don't go past page 1 of Google and that 51% only look at the top three searches.

            I find this was a much easier sale when they've already invested in a website. Ideally one that had been updated 2 or 3 years ago.

            I don't doubt that there are one or two people without a site that will take one but the effort to reward didn't add up to me.

            To be honest when i moved away from SME's I got better clients, more control and the ability to charge more. I'd never go back to dealing with mom and pops and sme's
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            • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
              Originally Posted by quadagon View Post

              Things maybe different where you are but when I was dealing with SME's I found a lot of business didn't have a marketing plan let alone a budget. At best it was we stick something in the local rag.
              I realize that there's more than one way of doing things. I've actually just gotten started about 15 months ago part-time, but I'm gradually making it work. I'm just sharing what's worked for me and what I've picked up from Nathan, an expert forum I'm a paid member of and another expert on a recent consult.

              One thing I have found that you mentioned is that some business owners have no marketing budget, they're working strictly from referrals. Others are dependent on things like the oil industry, new construction, are seasonal, etc. Some are in such a comfort zone that they don't take a look around at the devastation left from the great recession and how much the industry has changed.

              That's one big reason why I'm gradually changing from my supply business to offline. There'll be elements of offline around for a very long time, if not forever.

              Can you please define your terminology of "SME's" for me? That's not registering, though it's probably obvious.
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              • Profile picture of the author quadagon
                Originally Posted by Joe Stewart View Post

                I realize that there's more than one way of doing things. I've actually just gotten started about 15 months ago part-time, but I'm gradually making it work. I'm just sharing what's worked for me and what I've picked up from Nathan, an expert forum I'm a paid member of and another expert on a recent consult.
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                Can you please define your terminology of "SME's" for me? That's not registering, though it's probably obvious.
                Pleased to hear its working for you Joe and well done you've lasted longer than a lot of web people do.

                I bought Nathan's WSO and its a great read (highly recommend). I actually nearly mentioned it in my first post.

                To clarify an SME is a small medium enterprise. So business' with less than 250 employees and with an annual turnover of under £40 million.

                So that's kind of everything from your one man bands up to big business.

                In the past I've worked with everything from plumbers to restaurants and indie film makers and almost without fail the smaller the business the bigger pain in my arse it was.
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                • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
                  Originally Posted by quadagon View Post

                  Pleased to hear its working for you Joe and well done you've lasted longer than a lot of web people do.

                  I bought Nathan's WSO and its a great read (highly recommend). I actually nearly mentioned it in my first post.

                  To clarify an SME is a small medium enterprise. So business' with less than 250 employees and with an annual turnover of under £40 million.

                  So that's kind of everything from your one man bands up to big business.

                  In the past I've worked with everything from plumbers to restaurants and indie film makers and almost without fail the smaller the business the bigger pain in my arse it was.

                  Thanks for clarifying that. I also bought Nathan's WSO and yes, it is excellent. (Don't go gettin' a swelled head, Nathan - Lol).

                  I've heard that the smaller companies are the biggest headache and experienced it already. Ironically, I had the biggest problem with my best customer in my other business. I managed to salvage that relationship but I can't see myself doing much more for them other than hosting and upkeep.

                  I was just reading a new post at Nathan's blog from a guy named Andrea who's using cold email and video to bring in new customers. You know his URL, right? I don't want to get in trouble for posting a link.
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                  • Profile picture of the author quadagon
                    Originally Posted by Joe Stewart View Post

                    Thanks for clarifying that. I also bought Nathan's WSO and yes, it is excellent. (Don't go gettin' a swelled head, Nathan - Lol).

                    I've heard that the smaller companies are the biggest headache and experienced it already. Ironically, I had the biggest problem with my best customer in my other business. I managed to salvage that relationship but I can't see myself doing much more for them other than hosting and upkeep.

                    I was just reading a new post at Nathan's blog from a guy named Andrea who's using cold email and video to bring in new customers. You know his URL, right? I don't want to get in trouble for posting a link.
                    Cheers I'll check it out never been a fan of cold email but if I can learn something new.

                    When I was doing local business I found that direct mail worked well. I'll try and dig a copy of our sales letter up over the weekend.

                    Essentially though we sent a letter and a 'cheque' showing the amount they could have earned.

                    Another one was a letter saying that x had recommended their service but this weekend when we needed service x we couldn't find them on google so went with a competitor

                    Again its the fear of loss and the importance of making that loss tangible. With mom and pops I always found it better to talk about quality time with the other half, family time and holidays than about pounds and pence.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
                      Originally Posted by quadagon View Post


                      When I was doing local business I found that direct mail worked well. I'll try and dig a copy of our sales letter up over the weekend.

                      I'd definitely appreciate a copy of that! I've been planning on testing direct mail, as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author MN786
        Originally Posted by Joe Stewart View Post

        I couldn't disagree more. New businesses are being started every day and most have no website and maybe no advertising plans in place.

        There are an enormous amount of established business owners that are completely clueless about marketing online. Many don't see the need or benefits of having a website.

        Markets change and new opportunities arise constantly.

        The only thing I see possibly changing long term is SEO. Google has begun to test the waters of local lead generation themselves and if they find it to be profitable, which they likely will, there's no telling what will happen.

        Still, web design, backend services like hosting, social media set-up, etc will be around for as long as the internet exists, at least as we know it.

        One area that I plan to become more diverse in is various proven methods of advertising. Businesses will always need new customers. Without them, they're dead in the water.
        agree with you mate, competition may increase but demand is always there for development of webs and apps as well as marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robscom
    Originally Posted by MN786 View Post

    Hi warriors,

    I am a part of affiliate market from past many years, now I want to start a company to offer services like web development (PHP, .net and andriod) and promotion (PPC, SEO, Social media), I have a team to do so but I don't want to depend on freelancers, I need suggestions to get projects directly from clients. can anybody guide me that how can I get projects for my company?
    My suggestion is to get friendly with a local company that makes business and church signs, for a few reasons:

    1. If they are spending good money on signs, they have a decent budget.

    2. Your contact in the sign company can find out if they have a website, and if they don't, they can find out why they don't. It can help you decide if you want to try and get them as a client ("I know we need one, but we aren't sure who to hire.") or not ("Those newfangled online doodads are a waste of money!").

    3. Edited to add: New businesses need signs, and they order signs weeks or months before they open their doors, so you'd get to them before anyone else would be able to knock on their door.

    Obviously, they would need to be confident you'd do a good job and wouldn't make them look bad by referring you, but this is my suggestion.

    PS: I'm not talking about the yard signs you buy for 10 bucks. I'm talking about the professional store front and free-standing signs businesses and churches have.
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    • Profile picture of the author MN786
      Originally Posted by Robscom View Post

      My suggestion is to get friendly with a local company that makes business and church signs, for a few reasons:

      1. If they are spending good money on signs, they have a decent budget.

      2. Your contact in the sign company can find out if they have a website, and if they don't, they can find out why they don't. It can help you decide if you want to try and get them as a client ("I know we need one, but we aren't sure who to hire.") or not ("Those newfangled online doodads are a waste of money!").

      3. Edited to add: New businesses need signs, and they order signs weeks or months before they open their doors, so you'd get to them before anyone else would be able to knock on their door.

      Obviously, they would need to be confident you'd do a good job and wouldn't make them look bad by referring you, but this is my suggestion.

      PS: I'm not talking about the yard signs you buy for 10 bucks. I'm talking about the professional store front and free-standing signs businesses and churches have.
      Thanks mate for your suggestions, how much budget do I need or can you please define the decent budget?
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  • Profile picture of the author BeverlyTaylor
    My experience is there is everything out there. There are offline businesses without a website that do want one and are willing to pay for it and there are others that either don't want a website or only want a free one.

    I have experienced everything mentioned above! I have had customers who had a budget, were willing and able to pay for a website - some of them are wonderful customers and others were customers from hell.

    The offline prospects that didn't want a website were ones who had plenty of customers and had no need for additional marketing. One example was a chiropractor. Otherwise, all offline prospects we have spoken to knew they needed a website. I'm sure there may be some out there that may not know this, but I haven't found any like that.

    You may think that if someone has a website already, why would they want a different one? The main two reasons I've run into are 1) they wanted a newer, more modern website and 2) they didn't like their current webmaster. I got numerous new customers from the second reason as they said they got very slow support (e.g., 4 weeks to return an email) or the webmaster didn't care about them or understand their business.

    Do be ready to have some customers who are wonderful and others who are overly demanding. Make sure you are clear about specifically what you are offering as some people will ask for too much. If you have your boundaries clear before they purchase, it works very well.

    Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
      Originally Posted by BeverlyTaylor View Post

      My experience is there is everything out there. There are offline businesses without a website that do want one and are willing to pay for it and there are others that either don't want a website or only want a free one.

      I have experienced everything mentioned above! I have had customers who had a budget, were willing and able to pay for a website - some of them are wonderful customers and others were customers from hell.

      The offline prospects that didn't want a website were ones who had plenty of customers and had no need for additional marketing. One example was a chiropractor. Otherwise, all offline prospects we have spoken to knew they needed a website. I'm sure there may be some out there that may not know this, but I haven't found any like that.

      You may think that if someone has a website already, why would they want a different one? The main two reasons I've run into are 1) they wanted a newer, more modern website and 2) they didn't like their current webmaster. I got numerous new customers from the second reason as they said they got very slow support (e.g., 4 weeks to return an email) or the webmaster didn't care about them or understand their business.

      Do be ready to have some customers who are wonderful and others who are overly demanding. Make sure you are clear about specifically what you are offering as some people will ask for too much. If you have your boundaries clear before they purchase, it works very well.

      Good luck!

      Hi Beverly Taylor,

      Thanks for sharing. May I ask how you're prospecting?

      Joe
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      • Profile picture of the author BeverlyTaylor
        Originally Posted by Joe Stewart View Post

        Hi Beverly Taylor,

        Thanks for sharing. May I ask how you're prospecting?

        Joe
        Numerous ways, but our best results have been with affiliates and industry trade shows.

        Originally Posted by animal44 View Post


        Another reason is, if you can produce a website that brings in more customers that are ready to buy. i.e. focus on the marketing message rather than pretty design...A few (seemingly very few) web designers are figuring this out now... And few people actually want a new website, however everyone wants new customers...
        Yes, very important.
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      Originally Posted by Robscom View Post

      My suggestion is to get friendly with a local company that makes business and church signs, for a few reasons:
      Careful. You'll become known as Mr JV on the cold calling forum...

      (I do agree with you...)
      Originally Posted by BeverlyTaylor View Post

      You may think that if someone has a website already, why would they want a different one? The main two reasons I've run into are 1) they wanted a newer, more modern website and 2) they didn't like their current webmaster. I got numerous new customers from the second reason as they said they got very slow support (e.g., 4 weeks to return an email) or the webmaster didn't care about them or understand their business.
      Another reason is, if you can produce a website that brings in more customers that are ready to buy. i.e. focus on the marketing message rather than pretty design...A few (seemingly very few) web designers are figuring this out now... And few people actually want a new website, however everyone wants new customers...
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        Originally Posted by animal44 View Post

        Careful. You'll become known as Mr JV on the cold calling forum...

        (I do agree with you...)
        LOL I'm no JV expert. I work in a sign shop. I had no idea the kind of money people dropped on signs (the most I've personally seen is $35,000, but they can cost well over $100,000; most lit signs you see on storefronts are around $5000, give or take), and in the past month I've also referred 2 web jobs from people who have gotten signs but no website yet.

        It takes a couple of months to design and deliver a sign, so some people get the sign before the website. (Not always.) It's a good time to ask about websites, but it's before they land on anyone's radar (unless they are on a "filed a business permit" list, maybe).
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    Originally Posted by MN786 View Post

    Hi warriors,

    I am a part of affiliate market from past many years, now I want to start a company to offer services like web development (PHP, .net and android) and promotion (PPC, SEO, Social media), I have a team to do so but I don't want to depend on freelancers, I need suggestions to get projects directly from clients. can anybody guide me that how can I get projects for my company?

    Hi,

    The way you've worded your question makes it difficult to understand. Ultimately, there are several ways to acquire new clients/customers. There are others here more qualified to answer this in the SEO/Offline/Client Services niche than I am, but I'll just jot down a few anyway. I've only done cold calling so far and that was to a warm market.

    One thing I will say is that you should offer services that you can continue to bill for each month on the backend. That way you'll have a growing monthly income that you'll be able to count on instead of constantly having to find new customers each month. That sucks. Trust me, I know.

    Cold calling - just pick up the phone and dial.

    Networking events - not my thing but it works for some people

    Referrals - I've heard of many people getting referrals from satisfied customers. Do a great job and you may, too.

    Paid Ads (Online) - Facebook, Adwords, Bing, Craigslist, etc. I haven't done this yet but it's definitely going to happen soon. There may be ezines (online magazines, newsletters, etc) that you could also try. You'll need to offer something to get people to sign up to your list and then build a relationship and sell to them in a follow-up sequence.

    Paid Advertising (Offline) - I've heard of some people having great success with direct mail. That's also something I'll be doing very soon. Maybe after next week.

    Also, there are other offline magazines and publications you could try. I'd look for magazines related to the industry or industries I was targeting and look for related service ads. Try to find back issues and see if the same ad(s) were there 3, 6, 12 months ago, etc. Smart companies don't normally keep paying for ads that aren't converting, nor do they usually pay upfront long term until they've tested it to see if it works. If they've been there long term you might try a similar ad in the same magazine or modify their ad a bit and advertise in a different magazine in the same niche.

    Cold emails - I haven't done this yet either, but it's happening soon. Nathan (iamnameless) has a great product on this topic you could check out.

    Those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more. The only way to find out what will work best for you is to pick one and test it. Trial and error.

    HTH

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    • Profile picture of the author MN786
      Originally Posted by Joe Stewart View Post

      Hi,

      The way you've worded your question makes it difficult to understand. Ultimately, there are several ways to acquire new clients/customers. There are others here more qualified to answer this in the SEO/Offline/Client Services niche than I am, but I'll just jot down a few anyway. I've only done cold calling so far and that was to a warm market.

      One thing I will say is that you should offer services that you can continue to bill for each month on the backend. That way you'll have a growing monthly income that you'll be able to count on instead of constantly having to find new customers each month. That sucks. Trust me, I know.

      Cold calling - just pick up the phone and dial.

      Networking events - not my thing but it works for some people

      Referrals - I've heard of many people getting referrals from satisfied customers. Do a great job and you may, too.

      Paid Ads (Online) - Facebook, Adwords, Bing, Craigslist, etc. I haven't done this yet but it's definitely going to happen soon. There may be ezines (online magazines, newsletters, etc) that you could also try. You'll need to offer something to get people to sign up to your list and then build a relationship and sell to them in a follow-up sequence.

      Paid Advertising (Offline) - I've heard of some people having great success with direct mail. That's also something I'll be doing very soon. Maybe after next week.

      Also, there are other offline magazines and publications you could try. I'd look for magazines related to the industry or industries I was targeting and look for related service ads. Try to find back issues and see if the same ad(s) were there 3, 6, 12 months ago, etc. Smart companies don't normally keep paying for ads that aren't converting, nor do they usually pay upfront long term until they've tested it to see if it works. If they've been there long term you might try a similar ad in the same magazine or modify their ad a bit and advertise in a different magazine in the same niche.

      Cold emails - I haven't done this yet either, but it's happening soon. Nathan (iamnameless) has a great product on this topic you could check out.

      Those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more. The only way to find out what will work best for you is to pick one and test it. Trial and error.

      HTH

      Joe
      Thanks mate, I think I must search of any offline business magazine , can you please suggest me tha Nathan's wso ?
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        Originally Posted by MN786 View Post

        Thanks mate, I think I must search of any offline business magazine , can you please suggest me tha Nathan's wso ?
        You can find more information about Nathan at his blog IncomeBully(dot)com
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  • Profile picture of the author Rafay Zafar
    My advice is to stay clear of web design business. Web design and development is one of the worst businesses to get into right now. Specifically web design/dev for small businesses doesnt have a high enough profit margin and very little recurring revenue.

    Back in 2014 i made the mistake of entering the website business and within 8 months i was looking for a way out. Now i am backing to seo, ppc and lead gen. I have fewer clients and fewer headaches but at least i can sleep easy knowing that i will be paid every month as long as i deliver. Anyway, here are some of the main problems i faced

    a) very competitive. with wordpress, weebly and wix around, you can build a nice looking DIY website for less than $100. It is hard to justify charging even $1000 for a custom website. Then you have very talented freelancers with low overhead and as an agency with full time employees it becomes very difficult to compete.
    b) hard to differentiate. Think of any niche and there are a dozen web design agencies for that niche already. Think of a unique offer and there is a dozen web design agencies already doing that.
    c) very little to no recurring revenue. Web design and development on its own has very little recurring revenue. At most you can charge management fee but that wont pay your bills. Yes you can upsell ppc and seo but these things require additional human resource as most web developers are shit at SEO. Recurring revenue is what drives business growth else your business will fail within few years.
    d) hard to sell. A great website alone will not produce much revenue for a business so it is essentially a sunk cost. They will only make money from the website if they promote it. In fact it would make more sense to give a free website for SEO plan.
    e) market saturation. In addition to (a) and (b), this business suffers from market saturation. I wish i realized this 2 years ago but basically a new website lasts at least 1-3 years. This means once a business has a website it will not need a web designer for another 1-3 years! With so many freelancers, design agencies, software for web design fighting over a limited number of businesses in the market for a website at any time, there is very little room for growth so everyone pretty much stays the same. This is why most web designer and agencies are barely surviving.
    f) hard to scale. if you are working on the next wix then maybe you can scale. But if you are doing creative/custom web design then you will have a hard time to scale. It easier to scale if you stick to a niche like legal/dental/real estate etc. But even then you will struggle to reach the revenue you desire.

    I believe, any business that cannot be scaled to $1MM within 3-5 years max is not worth the hassle. You may have your own target but $1MM is mine.

    Now just for comparison, if you sold you $1000 websites, you will need to sell 1000 of them to get to $1MM. Even at $2k per website, you will need to sell 500 units per year or around 40 per month. The problem is that you will have to sell 40 websites every month for as long as you want to make $1MM per year. The bigger you get, the worse it becomes. So if you want to hit $2MM, you need to sell 80 websites every month! This is why big agencies have more sales reps than web designers.

    On the other hand, SEO/PPC package of $1000/month would require just 100 clients to get $1MM. This is because these clients will be recurring clients so you wont need to get 50 clients every month. Instead you just continue performing well for your existing clients and keep adding 1 new client per week. By the end of year 1 you will have 40-50 clients and by the end of year 2 at least 80-100. After that you can cruise through life and retire in 10 years. This is the business model i am currently aiming for.

    However, you dont have to limit yourself to seo/ppc because there are many other services you can sell to small business for a retainer fee

    1) blogging/content marketing services
    2) email marketing
    3) customer support and live chat for ecommerce
    4) conversion optimization
    5) lead generation
    6) billing and coding to healthcare
    7) payroll and accounting
    8) SAAS
    9) call answering
    10) virtual assistant services to realtors

    Note that these are the things that a business will need and continue to need as long they are in business. Unlike a website where once it has been developed, they wont need a redesign for 1-3 years. In fact, as a business grows, they will need more marketing, more content, more customer support, more payroll work, more call answering yet still have 1 website for the most part.

    I wish i had known this before venturing into web design business because i would have been much ahead by now. However, i think it was still worth it because of the business principles i learned that they dont teach in business school. But i hope you will learn from my experience and avoid web design business.
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    • Profile picture of the author MN786
      Originally Posted by Rafay Zafar View Post

      My advice is to stay clear of web design business. Web design and development is one of the worst businesses to get into right now. Specifically web design/dev for small businesses doesnt have a high enough profit margin and very little recurring revenue.

      Back in 2014 i made the mistake of entering the website business and within 8 months i was looking for a way out. Now i am backing to seo, ppc and lead gen. I have fewer clients and fewer headaches but at least i can sleep easy knowing that i will be paid every month as long as i deliver. Anyway, here are some of the main problems i faced

      a) very competitive. with wordpress, weebly and wix around, you can build a nice looking DIY website for less than $100. It is hard to justify charging even $1000 for a custom website. Then you have very talented freelancers with low overhead and as an agency with full time employees it becomes very difficult to compete.
      b) hard to differentiate. Think of any niche and there are a dozen web design agencies for that niche already. Think of a unique offer and there is a dozen web design agencies already doing that.
      c) very little to no recurring revenue. Web design and development on its own has very little recurring revenue. At most you can charge management fee but that wont pay your bills. Yes you can upsell ppc and seo but these things require additional human resource as most web developers are shit at SEO. Recurring revenue is what drives business growth else your business will fail within few years.
      d) hard to sell. A great website alone will not produce much revenue for a business so it is essentially a sunk cost. They will only make money from the website if they promote it. In fact it would make more sense to give a free website for SEO plan.
      e) market saturation. In addition to (a) and (b), this business suffers from market saturation. I wish i realized this 2 years ago but basically a new website lasts at least 1-3 years. This means once a business has a website it will not need a web designer for another 1-3 years! With so many freelancers, design agencies, software for web design fighting over a limited number of businesses in the market for a website at any time, there is very little room for growth so everyone pretty much stays the same. This is why most web designer and agencies are barely surviving.
      f) hard to scale. if you are working on the next wix then maybe you can scale. But if you are doing creative/custom web design then you will have a hard time to scale. It easier to scale if you stick to a niche like legal/dental/real estate etc. But even then you will struggle to reach the revenue you desire.

      I believe, any business that cannot be scaled to $1MM within 3-5 years max is not worth the hassle. You may have your own target but $1MM is mine.

      Now just for comparison, if you sold you $1000 websites, you will need to sell 1000 of them to get to $1MM. Even at $2k per website, you will need to sell 500 units per year or around 40 per month. The problem is that you will have to sell 40 websites every month for as long as you want to make $1MM per year. The bigger you get, the worse it becomes. So if you want to hit $2MM, you need to sell 80 websites every month! This is why big agencies have more sales reps than web designers.

      On the other hand, SEO/PPC package of $1000/month would require just 100 clients to get $1MM. This is because these clients will be recurring clients so you wont need to get 50 clients every month. Instead you just continue performing well for your existing clients and keep adding 1 new client per week. By the end of year 1 you will have 40-50 clients and by the end of year 2 at least 80-100. After that you can cruise through life and retire in 10 years. This is the business model i am currently aiming for.

      However, you dont have to limit yourself to seo/ppc because there are many other services you can sell to small business for a retainer fee

      1) blogging/content marketing services
      2) email marketing
      3) customer support and live chat for ecommerce
      4) conversion optimization
      5) lead generation
      6) billing and coding to healthcare
      7) payroll and accounting
      8) SAAS
      9) call answering
      10) virtual assistant services to realtors

      Note that these are the things that a business will need and continue to need as long they are in business. Unlike a website where once it has been developed, they wont need a redesign for 1-3 years. In fact, as a business grows, they will need more marketing, more content, more customer support, more payroll work, more call answering yet still have 1 website for the most part.

      I wish i had known this before venturing into web design business because i would have been much ahead by now. However, i think it was still worth it because of the business principles i learned that they dont teach in business school. But i hope you will learn from my experience and avoid web design business.

      Thanks zafar for your suggestions, do you think that one SEO client can pay $1000 per month? according to my experience its much hard, people pay maximum $500 but most of them pay low.
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      • Profile picture of the author davejarvys
        Originally Posted by MN786 View Post

        Thanks zafar for your suggestions, do you think that one SEO client can pay $1000 per month? according to my experience its much hard, people pay maximum $500 but most of them pay low.
        This really depends on two things

        1. How you position yourself

        2. What is the service is worth to your customer?

        For this find out what the number of searches per month are divided by a click through rates. Divide this by what the customer says their conversion rate is and times it by their average order value.

        A wedding planner in Manhattan can get $15k a job you only need bring them 1 job a year for them to have a positive ROI if you charge. $1k a month.
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