Buying Customers: Lower Price vs Valuable Bonuses

by eccj
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When selling products or services with possible high lifetime value do you find a low price is better or bonus to work better?

If, say, selling t-shirts to a business, would it be better to lose money on an offer for 5 custom t-shirts, or would an offer for a $20 worth of business supplies with purchase of 5 t-shirts (or something similar) be a better pull?

Would the customer who took the second offer make a better customer than the customer that took the lowest price? Would the first offer mess with price integrity?

Any insights?
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    regardless what it is.. if you are selling product I would use neither. I would ensure that I am price competitive both in the offline and online sector. within reason, you don't have to be at online prices ( they are generally lower than offline prices ) if your primary target is offline sales.

    I am assuming you are wanting to sell local? I would then create a Local based Marketing Persona. The whole Think local vibe. Know you by name, polite local service. buy where you work / live. Comparable rates. Dependable delivery dates etc etc etc.

    What you need to do is chip away at the idea that "online" is convenient vs you and your business. I mean really what is more convenient than someone 5 miles away making your stuff and delivering in a day or 2 vs ordering online and the shipment getting caught up in "Processing" and then taking the longest route possible when shipped and showing up a week later?

    I will be honest.. its not an easy sell.. it takes time, you will in essence have to run a branding campaign to stick in peoples heads when they think of X they think of you and your business.

    IF you go the route of free stuff or a discount... you will always have that expense.. which obviously increases your price, which ultimately puts you in a position such as radio shack.. there aint a damn thing in that store I cant find online for less. the only reason I would goto that store is if I NEED it RIGHT NOW. other than that I will wait and save 600% or more LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
    Originally Posted by eccj View Post

    When selling products or services with possible high lifetime value do you find a low price is better or bonus to work better?

    If, say, selling t-shirts to a business, would it be better to lose money on an offer for 5 custom t-shirts, or would an offer for a $20 worth of business supplies with purchase of 5 t-shirts (or something similar) be a better pull?

    Would the customer who took the second offer make a better customer than the customer that took the lowest price? Would the first offer mess with price integrity?

    Any insights?
    Understanding the "soft dollar" is where you should look if you are considering this approach.

    It is not good to lose money so you are always going to be better off offering something that has a higher perceived value than what it costs you.

    This is why hotels offer things like a "buffet breakfast".

    They might position the breakfast as say $25-$40 and they offer it as a package with the room .
    The actual cost of the breakfast is maybe $5 so that is their soft dollar cost.

    All they need to do is offer rooms that include the breakfast for anything that is more than their regular roommate plus the soft dollar cost and they increase their profits.

    You should always consider the profitability as that is what really matters when if comes to your business.

    If you are going to offer something ask yourself and also do the sums "How is this going to improve profits?"

    If you can show yourself on paper that it will make more money and you can't produce a better result when you test it then it is not going to help.

    Best regards,

    Ozi
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  • Profile picture of the author eccj
    So examples of this either way would be Southwest Airlines, Vista Print, Dollar Shave Club/Harry's, etc. The Hotel example by Ozi and cruises offering onboard credits would be more examples.

    Southwest was growing and their competition decided to lower their prices to try and put them out of business, which was true. If Southwest matched the lower fares for long they would go bankrupt.

    So they decided to give a bottle of bourbon to their frequent flyers. The bottle had high value and low cost and it worked and their competition lost a whole lot of money.

    Other companies like Vista Print, and the shaving clubs, Omaha Steaks, etc, use the super low price starter kit, irresistible offer, to buy customers for the lifetime value.

    Granted, Dollar Shave Club did this at a loss with the goal of being bought and it worked.

    Vista Print makes money, and Omaha Steaks is family owned so they are not of the money losing "I hope somebody buys me or else my VC's are screwed" mentality.

    My thought is that other companies are also interested in gaining customers at a break even or a small loss. Not many companies but some companies.

    It seems like if the t-shirt company is selling to the RIGHT people, could add value to his purchase by partnering with other people that want to sell to his same target market a consumable product or an entry product.

    For instance, info marketers will give their lower priced products to other marketers to be bonuses. The hope is that once they read your cheap stuff they will want the expensive stuff.

    At the very least when the info marketer markets his stuff their is a larger audience that knows his name with an implied endorsement from someone they know, like, and trust.

    But the info marketer doesn't just give his low priced stuff for free to anyone, he gives it as a bonus to a paid product, that is, good potential customers.

    Granted, this is more a world domination approach vs a solid local on purpose business approach.
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by eccj View Post

      It seems like if the t-shirt company is selling to the RIGHT people, could add value to his purchase by partnering with other people that want to sell to his same target market a consumable product or an entry product.

      Granted, this is more a world domination approach vs a solid local on purpose business approach.
      Since it appears we are actually talking t-shirts here... There are some very hard costs in this business. regardless if you are printing 1 shirt or 50, your artwork, negative and screen expense is the same. IF the shirt is more than one color.. that 1 shirt order will probably use 2 shirts at the least and maybe 4 or 5.( we do registry prints to paper, but even with that sometimes there is some adjustments to be made once the shirts hit the press )

      IF I were to separate my screen printing operation from my business... Without question I would create a BRANDABLE clothing line. The branded line would then be the incentive to all orders over $50 they get a shirt or whatever. As much as the shirt is an expense, it is recouped as a advertising expense at the end of the year.

      Killing 2 birds with one stone here.. everyone likes free stuff... and if they wear it, they are advertising for you. If you are pushing more towards a business market go with mouse pads or the like. or coffee cups regardless the product make it a BRANDED product.
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      • Profile picture of the author eccj
        Originally Posted by DABK View Post

        It can be perceived as having lots of value or of being fun. I once helped someone by giving away a $5 Stabucks gift certificate (someone in the insurance business). $5 ain't much but it worked... To be precise, it got people to walk into the insurance company and talk insurance even though many didn't care to get the gift certificate. I am assuming it was not the great value that got them to act but the different approach, the idea that they were not dealing with someone boring and/or greedy. The owner of the company asked some why they came in who did not want the gift...

        I remembered you on my way home... was the gist of their answers.
        That's interesting with the gift card.

        My guess is that the free card made their offer stand out even to people, even people who don't like Starbucks.

        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        Since it appears we are actually talking t-shirts here... There are some very hard costs in this business. regardless if you are printing 1 shirt or 50, your artwork, negative and screen expense is the same. IF the shirt is more than one color.. that 1 shirt order will probably use 2 shirts at the least and maybe 4 or 5.( we do registry prints to paper, but even with that sometimes there is some adjustments to be made once the shirts hit the press )

        IF I were to separate my screen printing operation from my business... Without question I would create a BRANDABLE clothing line. The branded line would then be the incentive to all orders over $50 they get a shirt or whatever. As much as the shirt is an expense, it is recouped as a advertising expense at the end of the year.

        Killing 2 birds with one stone here.. everyone likes free stuff... and if they wear it, they are advertising for you. If you are pushing more towards a business market go with mouse pads or the like. or coffee cups regardless the product make it a BRANDED product.
        Sorry I should have been more clear. T-shirts are just an example. I am doing some joint marketing with a screen printer so t-shirts are on my mind.
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        • Profile picture of the author savidge4
          Originally Posted by eccj View Post

          Sorry I should have been more clear. T-shirts are just an example. I am doing some joint marketing with a screen printer so t-shirts are on my mind.
          Can you possibly clarify this a bit further? Are you sharing marketing expense.. or are you doing the marketing and receiving a portion of proceeds?
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          • Profile picture of the author eccj
            Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

            Can you possibly clarify this a bit further? Are you sharing marketing expense.. or are you doing the marketing and receiving a portion of proceeds?
            I'm sharing expenses with a screen printer on a postcard.

            The whole JV thing is new to me so I am starting anything anywhere I can.

            Added Later:

            I am thinking of going ahead and adding some type of bonus with a marketing cost share; modeled on Bob Ross' M3 mailer. After what you said about the screen printing business, doing it with a screen printer probably isn't the best way forward since making one t-shirt is expensive vs the value.

            I don't want to get hung up on the screen printer though because that was just an example.

            Anyways, I can afford to "buy" my customers at or near break even since my renewal revenue from my other "business" ( not really a great business since my upside leverage is so low) covers my cost of living.
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            • Profile picture of the author savidge4
              Now this is starting to make a bit more sense... The first thing you want to do... you want to find your local Directv retailer. You may have more than one in your area, find the one that does the most volume. They get mad co-op cash for advertising, its an easy sell to the retail owner and the Dtv rep you will have to deal with. You can literally get them to cover half the cost easy ( insiders tip ) IF by chance they also deal with Exede OR HughesNet ( Sat internet ) you could technically cover the entire expense putting the screen printers portion as profit.. OR putting him / them in your back pocket.

              There are literally lots of things you can do at this point with a screen printer in your back pocket.. trust me.

              Don't know what YOU are offering, and what type of gift would be a good match. To be straight honest here. If you are starting a venture that the end game is not buy out.. even thinking break even or slight loss is crazy. If a t-shirt is possibly putting you to that point its probably not worth it in the long run. Again I don't know what it is so hard to really say.

              I guess the more I knew maybe the better I could help.


              Originally Posted by eccj View Post

              I'm sharing expenses with a screen printer on a postcard.

              The whole JV thing is new to me so I am starting anything anywhere I can.

              Added Later:

              I am thinking of going ahead and adding some type of bonus with a marketing cost share; modeled on Bob Ross' M3 mailer. After what you said about the screen printing business, doing it with a screen printer probably isn't the best way forward since making one t-shirt is expensive vs the value.

              I don't want to get hung up on the screen printer though because that was just an example.

              Anyways, I can afford to "buy" my customers at or near break even since my renewal revenue from my other "business" ( not really a great business since my upside leverage is so low) covers my cost of living.
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              • Profile picture of the author eccj
                Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

                Now this is starting to make a bit more sense... The first thing you want to do... you want to find your local Directv retailer. You may have more than one in your area, find the one that does the most volume. They get mad co-op cash for advertising, its an easy sell to the retail owner and the Dtv rep you will have to deal with. You can literally get them to cover half the cost easy ( insiders tip ) IF by chance they also deal with Exede OR HughesNet ( Sat internet ) you could technically cover the entire expense putting the screen printers portion as profit.. OR putting him / them in your back pocket.

                There are literally lots of things you can do at this point with a screen printer in your back pocket.. trust me.

                Don't know what YOU are offering, and what type of gift would be a good match. To be straight honest here. If you are starting a venture that the end game is not buy out.. even thinking break even or slight loss is crazy. If a t-shirt is possibly putting you to that point its probably not worth it in the long run. Again I don't know what it is so hard to really say.

                I guess the more I knew maybe the better I could help.
                That's some great inside information.

                I am putting printing advertising on there for myself. I've been dappling in postcards, and printing as a by product but I want to grow a big business and not be a "hunter."

                I get a lot of mail from DISH and Direct TV.

                Added Later:

                Yes I am looking to grow big and possibly sell it. There are a few big printing companies that will buy anything. I'll also want to grow to the point I can take over small failing or retiring printing businesses.

                Again, I have the money coming in from my years selling insurance. I am adding very little overhead because my office, etc can take much more capacity.

                I definitely am not looking to lose money on EACH sell but if some sells lose a buck or two that is not a big deal. I have plenty of cross, up, and down sells that losing money won't be a problem.
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                • Profile picture of the author savidge4
                  So some background.. I am sure you have read this stuff from me before... I am a Directv hughesnet and exede retailer. I do mailings. Basically any mailing I have either of the 3 included in is free ( paid by co-op dollars ) and any additional advertiser I throw into the mix becomes my margin of profit.

                  realistically if you can find cornerstone advertisers that have the disposable advertising capital you could easily develop 4 or 5 5000 lot cards every month. ( I currently run 3 but could easily double or triple that number with ease.

                  So how do you bring on new clients to this type of operation? for you, it would seem you need to leverage your past ( insurance clients ) to your present / future endeavor. Other than in many cases it being required.. insurance is there in case something goes wrong... Postcard advertising is there to insure NOTHING goes wrong. to get a business out there and noticed on a consistent bases to draw in new clients and remind existing ones that the advertising business' are there when they need them. IF nothing else it becomes an affordable form of branding.

                  Something I have done this year... Last year I acquired a printing press and some of the other needed equipment. I basically have a pretty full service print shop in house. for ALL of my clients I printed out 250 custom Holiday cards. When I say ALL I mean even 1 time customers back in February got a package.

                  So for me its not what I can do up front to GET a client.. its what I can do after the fact to KEEP the client. Getting is easy, keeping them is the hard part.

                  Hope that Helps!

                  Originally Posted by eccj View Post

                  That's some great inside information.

                  I am putting printing advertising on there for myself. I've been dappling in postcards, and printing as a by product but I want to grow a big business and not be a "hunter."

                  I get a lot of mail from DISH and Direct TV.

                  Added Later:

                  Yes I am looking to grow big and possibly sell it. There are a few big printing companies that will buy anything. I'll also want to grow to the point I can take over small failing or retiring printing businesses.

                  Again, I have the money coming in from my years selling insurance. I am adding very little overhead because my office, etc can take much more capacity.

                  I definitely am not looking to lose money on EACH sell but if some sells lose a buck or two that is not a big deal. I have plenty of cross, up, and down sells that losing money won't be a problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    Walmart is doing well with low prices. Tons of restaurants are doing badly with Groupon kind of deals. Gifts can work wonders.

    It's the setup and the follow up that determine which is the one to go with.

    If I were to buy 5 t-shirts, I'd be tempted by the low price. Because I don't see me ever wanting something similar again.

    If it were something else, something I would be buying regularly and often enough, it would depend on my role in the company (who I was trying to impress).

    All of the above requires you understand well who is your client (what kind of company and who makes the buying decision).

    Comcast, a while back, gave a few hundred dollars gifts to people who switched a business account to Comcast. They cut the check to the person they dealt with, not to the company. I know of one office manager who switched to Comcast to get the $400. (Not a stupid one, the company did benefit... Comcast service is faster than whatever they had before and some $70 less a month. But Comcast was not the only phone/internet company that would have saved this manager's company a few hundred a year.)

    That said, I think it's best if you can find an item that, at full price, is a good buy and hook them in with that. Kind of like Dan Kennedy does... Buy a $10 book, then a $49 something, and, pretty soon, you're buying a $25k something.

    If you're constantly giving away something for free/or for a reduced price, you're devaluing it. Not a good idea to devalue something you sell. So, give something for cheap/free that you don't sell...

    It can be perceived as having lots of value or of being fun. I once helped someone by giving away a $5 Stabucks gift certificate (someone in the insurance business). $5 ain't much but it worked... To be precise, it got people to walk into the insurance company and talk insurance even though many didn't care to get the gift certificate. I am assuming it was not the great value that got them to act but the different approach, the idea that they were not dealing with someone boring and/or greedy. The owner of the company asked some why they came in who did not want the gift...

    I remembered you on my way home... was the gist of their answers.

    Originally Posted by eccj View Post

    When selling products or services with possible high lifetime value do you find a low price is better or bonus to work better?

    If, say, selling t-shirts to a business, would it be better to lose money on an offer for 5 custom t-shirts, or would an offer for a $20 worth of business supplies with purchase of 5 t-shirts (or something similar) be a better pull?

    Would the customer who took the second offer make a better customer than the customer that took the lowest price? Would the first offer mess with price integrity?

    Any insights?
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Motor
    As a general rule I never sell anything at a loss. If your cost as the distributor is less than the cost to the consumer you will never be profitable because you are setting the expectation in your customer's minds that they will continue to get the product at the same price. I would much prefer to incentivise people for a first purchase. I have actually found that shipping an order with more than what was advertised lead to a much higher customer satisfaction rate. This can be something as cheap as a sticker and a custom note that says "We saw that you didn't order one of our badass stickers so we sent you this custom one anyways" or something dumb like that. On a side note you want to build your brand by targeting people with money not people that bought your goods because they were the cheapest available. How you brand your products determines the customers you will get and the market that you create. If you continuously out price your competition by a large margin (even if you are making a bit of profit) your products will be viewed as a "bargan brand" and your customers will expect you to continue selling products at a discounted rate. (think if H&M started charging $50 instead of $25 for a pair of pants they would sell way less until they lowered the price back down) Offering a one time low price does not have such a dramatic effect as in the example but it will drastically lower your reorder rate once you charge full price. In summary it is far better to focus on creating top notch customer service and over delivering. That way you turn customers into promoters who not only become repeat customers but also refer their friends to you and give you free advertising.
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      Sorry if this post was just rambling I am running off of almost no sleep and my caffeine just wore off haha
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    If you go to a surf shop at the beach they always sell tshirts for buy one get one free for about $20. The shirts are obviously worth $10 or less. They sell a lot of shirts.

    My point is, double the price and give one away for free.

    Same money, different perception.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Bridgen
    Never lose money on trying to get a customer. How can you keep a customer if you sell them something at a loss but the next order you make double the profit. How I used to do it was Go high for the one off then say regular customers get a break. I have in the past said in a flyer I want your business and willing to lower my price to get it. So them 5 t shirts at $50 example but the next order is $35 Robert
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