Offline Consulting - Do You Make These Mistakes With Your Marketing and Positioning?

by Bayo
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I was at a local networking event recently and had entered my profile on the attendee list as 'product creator.'

When it came to time to mingle I was approached by someone who obviously is an 'Internet marketer.' How did I know and what's that got to do with positioning for Offline Marketers? Keep reading to find out...

The conversation started like this:

Him: "Hi, you must be Bay-o (current score = -1. It's pronounced closer to "Bio' than 'bay o'0

Me: Er, yes. How did you guess?

Him: Well I looked around and wondered who that name might fit

Me: Hmmmm, interesting.

Him: It's part of what I do. I help businesses get found

Me: Help whom? The IRS or the Police?

Him: No. I'm an Internet marketer and SEO is one of my specialities

Me: Really, what's SEO?

Him: A lot of local business owners don't know it either but it's a way to make your business more visible

Me: Okay...

Him: So, would you like me to send you some information about what we do? It's free and will help you become more visible online and locally

Me: Er, sure

Him: Do you have a business card, so I know where to send it?

Me: No, but if you give me your email I'll send you mine

Him: Better still, here's my card with my email address on it. If you go to our website you can download the report for free

Me: OK, I'll do that

Him: If I can get your email address ...(then I gave him a catch-all gmail address I had and waited for a couple more minutes of pitching before I excused myself)

Needless to say, I don't plan on following up.

So What's Wrong With This Exchange?


In my mind (and this is open to comments) his positioning was totally wrong. When positioning yourself as an Offline Marketing consultant there are at least 5 things that you should consider.
  1. His Solution - This guy didn't articulate any solution for his business that told me the problems he solved and the solutions he provides
  2. His Ideal Client - Not that I was interested but he didn't clarify who his clients are and the features and benefits they'd bee seeking in his kind of local offline service
  3. Benefits to Me (WIIFM anybody?) - I must have blinked because I couldn't discern the very specific 'me the potential client' focused benefits that I'd get from using him and his business
  4. Same Old Same Old - How was he any different to anyone else that did the same stuff as he said he does? I had no clue about any competitive advantage he could offer and what that would mean to me if I did business with him
These are just four areas where I believe his positioning was flawed and he could have done a better job BEFORE coming to the event.

If you're struggling to attract more local business from networking events or via others methods 'fixing' the four positioning problems above will help you start to turn that around.

The Good Part?

There's always something good in any situation and in this case I'd say that at least he was out from behind his computer screen and actually speaking to people which is a lot more than many folks currently do in their desire to serve local businesses.

Positioning is more than these four areas, so feel free to chip in with any experience and knowledge you would like to share.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Hi Bayo,

    You're right - I've heard a lot of people pitching me these services too.

    Since I also offer them I like to hear what people are saying.

    In my experience they're almost always in their own head and thinking of everyone as a prospect and looking for a chance to get their details and push their stuff to them.

    This might sound like sensible logic, but any experienced business owner or marketer has heard it all before and it's easy to shut down any chance of business if you come across as having no interest in them and just pitching your stuff.

    They usually seem to think they know more than you even when they have no idea what you know (they've probably been told that any amount of knowledge puts them ahead of 99% of business owners) and are so busy trying to sell you on their service that they often don't take the time to see who you are, what you do and how they could help.

    I do outsource these things too, so I do give people business for SEM services, but if they just talk about their service and don't ask about my business - I never give them work.

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    • Profile picture of the author wjtyoung
      Consulting has a lot more to do with asking questions and LISTENING to the answers than telling people things. Pretty much sales 101 is the prospect wants to know whats in it for them and they want to talk about them and their business.

      I had a consulting client one time that as near as I could figure out was paying me to take his calls and listen to his latest business idea/life happening etc. He never did a thing I told him to do to help his business but he stayed with me until I decided to move on, well over a year.
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      • Profile picture of the author chrisnegro
        Public Speaking......is the #1 Business Positioning Strategy as a Marketing Consultant. Where in the world can you get 150 potential business owners in one room, at one time for 2 hours? You not only leverage your time....but also they automatically except you as the authority.

        Consulting, marketing service gigs and workshops all can come through public speaking ....not to mention its a great "client gathering strategy to remarket to later on.

        Nice Tip Bayo...definately a reminder about the Power of Postitioning.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jason_V
    The best thing you can do when trying to talk to a potential client is instead of trying to push onto them what *you* think you can help them with, find out what exactly *they* perceive they need help with.

    Most business owners love to talk about their business and most of them will be very open and honest about what's going right and what they think is going wrong. You have two ears and one mouth for a reason. Let them talk. Ask a few probing questions if need be, but it's always best to just let them do most of the talking initially.

    I picked up this tactic from Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People. He gave an example of where he was at a social function and he got into a subject with the person he was talking to and they kept going on and on about it. Dale was genuinely interested in the topic so he didn't mind him going on about it. Dale barely said a word to the guy. Yet, the guy later told a mutual friend that Dale was one of the best "conversationalists" he'd ever met.

    This is a very poignant and important point. Also, a tactic from NLP that really works, when someone tells you important things you should repeat it back to them when they are finished. You should try to say it as close to exact as possible how they said it to you back to them. For example, if someone says: "Well, my sales are slipping I'm just not getting the volume of people into my store as I used to." Then you would say back to them: "So, your biggest issues right now are that your sales are slipping and the volume of people coming into your store isn't what it used to be?" Again, people will respond favorably to this because they know you're paying attention to them.

    I'd also say that him murdering your name was bigger than -1, probably like -100+. Again, Dale Carnegie points out that the most important words in the world to every individual is their name. If you mess that up, from the start you're severely limiting yourself on accomplishing anything.

    I have a "different" last name. When people murder it, and are trying to sell to me I pretty much tune out anything else they have to say. It only takes a moment to ask how to pronounce it. Whereas, if you don't bother to ask me how to pronounce it then I can't be bothered with what you're trying to sell to me. I really won't even be listening to what you say if I don't outright cut you off and tell you I'm not interested. On the other hand, if you ask me how to pronounce my name I will at least hear what you have to say.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Jason_V View Post

      I'd also say that him murdering your name was bigger than -1, probably like -100+. Again, Dale Carnegie points out that the most important words in the world to every individual is their name. If you mess that up, from the start you're severely limiting yourself on accomplishing anything.

      I have a "different" last name. When people murder it, and are trying to sell to me I pretty much tune out anything else they have to say. It only takes a moment to ask how to pronounce it. Whereas, if you don't bother to ask me how to pronounce it then I can't be bothered with what you're trying to sell to me. I really won't even be listening to what you say if I don't outright cut you off and tell you I'm not interested. On the other hand, if you ask me how to pronounce my name I will at least hear what you have to say.
      You would think my last name would be pretty simple, right? It's not that uncommon, and it follows the standard pronunciation (muh-CABE). Yet somehow when people see it written out, they want to say something like Mack-a-bee or Muh-Cobb or even Muh-Cobb-ee.

      It's been happening for so long that I don't think twice about it, and I simply correct them. If they do it again, it tells me they either weren't paying attention or they don't care. Either one lands us back to what you describe.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nic Lynn
    It is very, very clear what the problem was here.

    This guy didn't ask you a single question!!!

    How is he supposed to know what you need, what your business is about or even how to pronounce your name if he doesn't ask questions and listen?!

    You can't provide a solution, if you don't know the opportunity. People just don't get this. They just pitch and talk, pitch and talk... and never give any consideration as to how to actually talk to a potential client.
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    • Profile picture of the author blissk
      Bayo,

      Thanks for the reminder. Funny thing is - you described me when I started two month ago. I just didn't know how to present myself in the initial meet. I learned this hard way. Now I am obsessed about them and their business. How did they get started? What is their story? Focus more chemistry and understanding of where they are before even proposing my services. I am still learning how to best structure this first impression/meet.

      Bayo- How would you have structured it?

      Cheers,
      -Anand
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  • Profile picture of the author Kelly Verge
    In my initial meetings, I do less than 10% of the talking.

    The reason that new offliners tend to do most of the talking is the same reason anyone new to sales falls into this trap. They're afraid if they stop talking the prospect will shut them down.

    Questions get the prospect talking, and once they're talking they won't push you away.
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    • Profile picture of the author harrydog
      Networking is a great way to connect with small local businesses. I have been to 100s of networking events and as some of the other posters have already said most people who attend these events lurch straight into some kind of pitch about their business. I got so tired of this at one stage I actually stopped going to these types of events (also got sick of Life coaches, herbal remedies, etc etc)

      I then discovered BNI.
      BNI is an international networking organisation with a twist. The meeting is run on a very regimented regime with only one type of business per chapter allowed in. Its not a chit chat session but a proper business meeting with everyone getting 60 seconds to give a memorable pitch for their business, a 10 minute slot each week for one of the members to flesh out their business proposal and then the referral session where genuine business leads are passed between members. It is very structured and this can be a bit of a bind, attendance each week is mandatory (7am!!) and you must help your fellow members get Business.
      I built an entire business on referrals from BNI in the past and made some great friends.
      The whole philosophy is built on "Givers Gain" (sound familiar in the IM world - i.e. giving stuff away for free to gain trust and build a relationship) i.e. If I give you business then at some stage you will reciprocate.

      The best referral I ever got was from a lady who did house cleaning. She cleaned house for a General manager of a very large company - she introduced me and from that I sold a £75,000 order not bad from a house cleaner. needless to say she has got lots of referrals from me for anybody that is looking for a cleaner.

      Networking works if you are prepared to Listen, ask questions and show genuine interest in the other parties business. Not by pitching your own business to them from the off.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    Heh, I love how during that whole conversation not once did he ask you any questions...even his opening line was a statement!

    Asking questions = showing you're not just a pitchin' salesman

    Cheers,

    ~Dexx
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  • Profile picture of the author jacquic
    So I'm guessing he didn't take the time to ask you what you did, what your needs were, etc?

    Reminds me of the calls we get occasionally from SEO / directory firms.

    Caller: Hello, how are you?

    Me: OK [in a slightly wary and disgruntled tone because they don't know me, so why ask after my health, and also cos I'm sure this will be a sales call]

    Caller: Would you like to be in our directory [blah, blah]?

    Me: No, thank you - we do our own marketing.

    Caller: But [blah, blah].

    Me: No, it's all right thanks.

    Caller: What do you do?

    Me: [Wondering why they don't know] Marketing. That's what we do for others. We don't need someone to do it for us.

    Caller: I see. I understand. Well, if you agree today, we can do you a special offer.[And so on. None of them can give stats, etc, that might help change my mind, and none asks what I would need from it.]

    Me: What part of this conversation did you not understand? Thank you and good day.


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    • Profile picture of the author ozduc
      Originally Posted by jacquic View Post

      Me: OK [in a slightly wary and disgruntled tone because they don't know me, so why ask after my health, and also cos I'm sure this will be a sales call]

      ~ Jacqui
      Even though I am on the National Do not call list, I still get the occasional sales call. My favorite way of getting rid of them quickly is to answer the typical sales call question of "Hi how are you doing today?'' with....
      Well I'm glad you asked, I am having a really bad day and nobody wants to listen to me complain but here you are ready to hear me out thank you so much.
      Then I proceed to carry on with a rant that sounds something like the lyrics of a country Song about my spouse leaving me and the dog getting hit by a truck (or sometimes the other way round). That usually gets them hanging up pretty quickly.
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