Negotiating: Need Some Tips and Hints

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If anybody can give me some tips and hints about negotiating, it would be greatly appreciated. I'm mainly looking into domain flipping.

Examples would be (not this specifically, I don't really know what I'm doing)
They offer $125, I counter offer with $17,000.

I know, that's outrageous, but you get my drift.

Thanks!
#hints #negotiating #tips
  • Profile picture of the author internetPro
    no need to counter stand your ground your services if you have any are worth it..

    forget the rest didnt see the "flipping either lol"
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    • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
      Originally Posted by internetPro View Post

      have you ever had the yelllow pages negotiate with you?
      Yes. Everything is negotiable.

      That said...it is also important to stand your ground and not devalue your services.
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  • Okay, but what about counter-offers and such? Like how much percentage is recommended that I go up?

    Say they offer $100, and I want as much as I can get (no figure in my head). Should I say $200? Or what? Any "formulas" that have worked for some?
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    • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
      Originally Posted by outlandishindustries View Post

      Okay, but what about counter-offers and such? Like how much percentage is recommended that I go up?

      Say they offer $100, and I want as much as I can get (no figure in my head). Should I say $200? Or what? Any "formulas" that have worked for some?
      Edited because I missed the "flipping" part!
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  • Profile picture of the author enterpryzman
    I had a call which resulted by an end user finding me via whois while looking for a domain. This was in an industry that I know a great deal about and they thought I was simply a domain speculator.

    They started by asking me to sell for $ 500. and when I started talking about the search value of the domain in the specific industry, they went straight to $ 5,000 because they knew I was being honest and understood this market. We talked via telephone for several days and settled on $ 20-k each for singular and plural .com's .

    I am just saying that you never know the value an end user places on the domains you are selling. I am certain this company feels they got a deal or we would never have come to terms.

    Just relaying what can happen and I am sure others here have much better stories to tell, if they would. This might not be simple flipping but is selling none the less.

    Best wishes, Enterpryzman
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    • Originally Posted by enterpryzman View Post

      I had a call which resulted by an end user finding me via whois while looking for a domain. This was in an industry that I know a great deal about and they thought I was simply a domain speculator.

      They started by asking me to sell for $ 500. and when I started talking about the search value of the domain in the specific industry, they went straight to $ 5,000 because they knew I was being honest and understood this market. We talked via telephone for several days and settled on $ 20-k each for singular and plural .com's .

      I am just saying that you never know the value an end user places on the domains you are selling. I am certain this company feels they got a deal or we would never have come to terms.

      Just relaying what can happen and I am sure others here have much better stories to tell, if they would. This might not be simple flipping but is selling none the less.

      Best wishes, Enterpryzman
      Thanks! For whatever reason I didn't think about knowing the numbers on my domains. This should really help!

      Adrianna
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      • Profile picture of the author redlegrich
        You can't negotiate unless you know the value of what you want to sell. Cost has nothing to do with it (although you better know if you will make a profit). You can determine the value of your domain names and go in with that. I can't recall the sites but you can find places to get a valuation, but you can do the basic keyword research and see what PPC is, the potential search volumes and come up with a valuation.
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        • Originally Posted by redlegrich View Post

          You can't negotiate unless you know the value of what you want to sell. Cost has nothing to do with it (although you better know if you will make a profit). You can determine the value of your domain names and go in with that. I can't recall the sites but you can find places to get a valuation, but you can do the basic keyword research and see what PPC is, the potential search volumes and come up with a valuation.
          Thanks! I started doing that this afternoon!
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          • Profile picture of the author enterpryzman
            Originally Posted by healymedia View Post

            Negotiating is not such a simple process. No one can give you answers to questions like "how much should I go up? What percentage?" because that isn't how negotiating works. How much you go up depends on a huge list of factors.

            First of all, there are different kinds of negotiating. There is positional negotiation in which you basically take your position and your only goal is to hold that position, or as close to it as possible, and the best outcome is the one that results in you keeping as much of that position as possible.

            Then there is what is often called "principled" negotiation, in which the goal is to understand the issues on both sides and come to an agreement based on a solution that mutually meets the needs of both sides.

            Which will you use? It's very dependent on the situation and who you're negotiating with. What is their style?

            What information do you have at hand to use in your negotiations? What has the other party done in the past to set precedents you can use to your advantage during negotiation? Are there any precedents or standards set by neutral parties that apply to your advantage? What alternatives to reaching a deal do you have? What alternatives do they have? And the list of questions you can ask yourself goes on and on and on and on.

            Knowledge is everything when you negotiate. The more you know about your own side, the other side and about comparable situations with other parties, the better off you are. Throw in a much needed creativity when structuring deals and you'll be golden.

            I'd suggest picking up a book or two on negotiation. It's actually a quite complex thing, and it literally takes years of practice to get right, but the results you can obtain when you understand it more completely are far greater than any you could get just winging it.


            Ageed......not a walk in the park at times. The hardest thing I had to learn was to not get emotional and to look at the process as a business. Emotions can harm your decisions in business just like in a relationship.

            Also, when taking a position be prepared to be satisfied and walk away if you are told no which will happen, you can't look back with regret but you can apply what you learned to the next deal.

            Enterpryzman
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            • Originally Posted by enterpryzman View Post

              Ageed......not a walk in the park at times. The hardest thing I had to learn was to not get emotional and to look at the process as a business. Emotions can harm your decisions in business just like in a relationship.

              Also, when taking a position be prepared to be satisfied and walk away if you are told no which will happen, you can't look back with regret but you can apply what you learned to the next deal.

              Enterpryzman
              I think this is my biggest fear. To finalize a deal and feel like I could have gotten more.
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          • Originally Posted by healymedia View Post

            Negotiating is not such a simple process. No one can give you answers to questions like "how much should I go up? What percentage?" because that isn't how negotiating works. How much you go up depends on a huge list of factors.

            First of all, there are different kinds of negotiating. There is positional negotiation in which you basically take your position and your only goal is to hold that position, or as close to it as possible, and the best outcome is the one that results in you keeping as much of that position as possible.

            Then there is what is often called "principled" negotiation, in which the goal is to understand the issues on both sides and come to an agreement based on a solution that mutually meets the needs of both sides.

            Which will you use? It's very dependent on the situation and who you're negotiating with. What is their style?

            What information do you have at hand to use in your negotiations? What has the other party done in the past to set precedents you can use to your advantage during negotiation? Are there any precedents or standards set by neutral parties that apply to your advantage? What alternatives to reaching a deal do you have? What alternatives do they have? And the list of questions you can ask yourself goes on and on and on and on.

            Knowledge is everything when you negotiate. The more you know about your own side, the other side and about comparable situations with other parties, the better off you are. Throw in a much needed creativity when structuring deals and you'll be golden.

            I'd suggest picking up a book or two on negotiation. It's actually a quite complex thing, and it literally takes years of practice to get right, but the results you can obtain when you understand it more completely are far greater than any you could get just winging it.
            Wow, thanks. Do you have any suggestions on books to read?
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    If you find yourself in a position of having to constantly negotiate hard for your services, then you didn't do an adequate job of building value during your sales process.
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    • Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      If you find yourself in a position of having to constantly negotiate hard for your services, then you didn't do an adequate job of building value during your sales process.
      I agree, but as I said in my original post, it's not a service. They're domains. Thanks for the insight though.
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
        Originally Posted by outlandishindustries View Post

        I agree, but as I said in my original post, it's not a service. They're domains. Thanks for the insight though.

        Ahh... missed that. I got excited when I saw dollar signs and skipped to the price like the money grubbing capitalist that I am.
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        • Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

          Ahh... missed that. I got excited when I saw dollar signs and skipped to the price like the money grubbing capitalist that I am.
          Too funny. It's okay, we all have dollar signs in our eyes like little cartoons.
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