6 Ways to Guarantee You’ll Never Hear From Me Again. (Quite Possibly a Rant)

by WillDL
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Offliners, please don’t disrespect your prospects’ intelligence. We don’t like it. We won’t reward you for it with a retainer. Promise. Here are some things I put up with on a regular basis, usually on quickly deleted voice mails, occasionally in a pitch. They irritate me, and probably don't belong in your marketing tool kit.

1. Assume I’ve Never Considered It
If you ever see my company’s website the first thing you’ll notice is that it is ugly. I’ll go so far as to say terrible. I’m aware of the fact and I’m taking quotes for new designs (If you want to give one PM me).

But I’ve done redesigns to make it prettier in the past. I’ve added better lead capture. I’ve done all the things you think I should be doing. Guess what happened? The number and quality of leads generated by the site plummeted. 10-34% drop in gross number. 15-58% drops in our keep rate.

No idea why, don’t particularly care. Until split testing reveals a sharper looking website increases conversions, we are going to have an ugly website.

I hope that happens soon. All things being equal I’d prefer the website to look nicer.

2. Tell Me You’ll Increase My Sales Without Numbers To Back It Up
You’ll increase my sales by X%? Great, what methodology did you use to come up with that number? You’ll better pre-screen leads to reduce the time intake department spends on bum callers? Awesome, what kind of success have you had doing it in the past?

Be specific when you talk to me about the benefits. But don’t guess them.

3. Don’t Know The Rules of My Market
I can’t have testimonials.

I can’t claim to be better than another law firm. In fact, I can’t even imply it.

I can’t contact someone about a potential case unless they specifically ask it of me. This includes autoresponders.

Please be aware of this before you make a suggestion.

4. Preach, When You Should Be Educating
It is possible, even likely, that you know something I don’t know. You might be aware of some great mobile marketing tool of which I’ve never heard. Educate me on it, and its values to my company and you’ve got high odds of a sale. Preach to me from the Gospel of XZY Tool and my eyes glaze over.

5. Tell Me What ROI You’ll Give Me.
If I spend $1,000.00 on you and generate $10,000.00 in fees that is not 1,000% ROI. This is not a stock, don’t calculate my return like a stock. We have expenses in providing service, which means we have profit margin. Unless you know what that is don’t pretend to know what ROI gross fees mean for the firm. Use some other phrase like gross return, or business generated. Return on Investment is the money that goes in the boss’ pocket. Give him 1,000% and he’ll probably fire me and hire you.

6. Don’t Have It In Writing.
I have a discretionary budget. I still have to justify my spending. Written proposals make that easier. They also let me prepare and ask intelligent questions. They show respect for me by letting me review what you’ve got at my leisure or talk to my boss or the Director of Operations if I want a second opinion. Give me one, a week before our meeting, and you have a shot at me hiring by the end. Don’t have one for me, by the time you leave our meeting, and the best you get is me asking for one.

I am not hiring without a written proposal. If you do web design or back linking all I need is your portfolio and a quote. More complicated, long term arrangements need a whole work up. Give me an executive summary, detailed break down, and price quotes at various service levels.
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulMark
    Awesome!

    Warriors, listen to the spirit of this post. It's dead on. Even though I help people with their internet marketing I've owned 6 offline businesses. And the mindset between the IMer who's always been an employee and a business owner is vastly different.

    Most business owners are not stupid. And the successful got there from knowing their numbers, ROI and customer value.

    When we step in without facts and figures (which business is built around) we make ourselves a commodity.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillDL
      Originally Posted by JsamsonNJ View Post

      The OP is a ton of reality!!!
      Makes me feel bad. I'm not trying to crush anyone's dreams of offline glory. I'm trying to make them understand what it takes to get the decision maker, at a business with a low multi-million dollar advertising budget, to take you seriously.

      Anyone can make it as a consultant if they take the time to educate them self and have perseverance. I started as one, which is how I got this gig. But if you want to play, outside of mom and pop shops, you've got to come prepared.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jay Rhome
        Originally Posted by WillDL View Post

        Makes me feel bad. I'm not trying to crush anyone's dreams of offline glory. I'm trying to make them understand what it takes to get the decision maker, at a business with a low multi-million dollar advertising budget, to take you seriously.

        Anyone can make it as a consultant if they take the time to educate them self and have perseverance. I started as one, which is how I got this gig. But if you want to play, outside of mom and pop shops, you've got to come prepared.
        Hey Will, this is not "crushing anyone's dreams of offline glory". This is helping to open eyes and ears. I love perspective like that. And it prepares us to be better, provide more value, and make more money. I'd rather hear "rough truths" before hand like you provide, than as a good but costly lesson. And many times in real life when we get a "no", we don't always know the reasons so we can't improve as much as when we can get the real gist.
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  • Profile picture of the author mancmusicman
    Thanks a lot for this insight. Helps newbs like me

    guys, can anyone help with a better tailored approach for big firms like lawyers , or dentists etc.

    like what to say , what not to say
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  • Profile picture of the author Vagabond 007
    Great post! I hope this thread takes off, a lot of people need to read this.

    Thank you for taking the time to write this.
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  • Profile picture of the author JJOrana
    That's what I'm saying in my previous thread...

    Don't be in love with your services but with your customers.

    The truth is, most WANNABE offline consultant here just want a quick cash and so they bought WSO and another WSO, and another WSO.

    Thinking a new WSO will help them make more money but not seriously thinking how can I solve the problem of my customers.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillDL
    While you're absolutely correct, I'm mostly (excluding point three), talking about how you present yourself to a business.

    If you don't solve our problems we won't use your service.

    If you could solve our problems, but come in with a "got this from a WSO never done this before" pitch, we'll never know. We won't hire you.

    There is a strong tendenecy among young consultants to think they are the hottest thing since sliced bread, which you mention. But they have very little real world business experience. They don't understand how a business makes a decision and are mislead by "easy gajillion dollars this week"

    You'll notice almost all of those are selling a one off product. We evaluate one offs a lot different than we do ongoing service where we take on contractual obligations. You got to sell those differently.

    Whenever we take on outside advertising help, we are putting our public image in your hands. In the end, that is all any business has. You are asking us to trust you with everything. With the livelihood of the boss and every employee. You need to present a solid image, and back yourself up with something verifiable to make that happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author expertname
    WillDL, great post. For anyone new to helping small businesses, please read and reread the OP and his subsequent comments. If you disagree with any of the OPs comments, or worse yet, scoff at them as being untrue, then please stop now and don't approach local businesses with your pitch. You will fail to get and/or retain any experienced businesses.

    And worse case, you will poison the waters for the experienced consultants who come in after you, sometimes for years. I know many small businesses who have ugly websites just because they've been burned by a string of 2 to 5 web designers and IMers over the past decade...
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    • Profile picture of the author Debbie Songster
      Originally Posted by expertname View Post


      ...And worse case, you will poison the waters for the experienced consultants who come in after you, sometimes for years. I know many small businesses who have ugly websites just because they've been burned by a string of 2 to 5 web designers and IMers over the past decade...
      Oh my gosh this is so true!

      I get this nearly every week. Someone approaches me to fix their site but they have been so badly stung or ripped off it makes my job harder.
      More times then not, they have blown their budget and there is nothing left to do the fixes.

      Course I feel sorry for them and it ends up being a charity case (free work doesn't pay my bills)

      Anyway, excellent points brought up in this thread - thanks for starting it!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by expertname View Post

      And worse case, you will poison the waters for the experienced consultants who come in after you...
      An experienced consultant would see the poisoned water as a foot in the door and use it to his advantage by positioning himself as the "cure".
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      • Profile picture of the author WillDL
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        An experienced consultant would see the poisoned water as a foot in the door and use it to his advantage by positioning himself as the "cure".
        There's a lot of truth to that. Once bitten, twice shy... and twice as desperate for a solution. The initial sell might be harder, but once you've made it you've got a customer for life.
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  • Profile picture of the author Creativegirl
    Yes, cut the industry speak and stop spamming me with seo services emails from a gmail account. ughh! Good post and information.

    Any related service provider that does not have a legit website and company email address is automatically deleted.

    And convince me that I need to buy from you, not that you need me to buy. Common sense and sound marketing principles never go out of style.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I could not tell you why for the life of me, but its a fact that my crappiest looking home made web pages out perform more extravagent designs everytime for me.

    I, like yourself, have desired better designs... but like your situation, sales start plummeting when I make them pretty.

    Have no idea why.

    My straight up TEXT pages that I write off the cuff, sell better than ones with a ton of graphics... and ones that follow all the copywriting rules...

    Dont ask me why. I'd love to know , and have a few guesses... but its really strange how that works.

    Originally Posted by timmykins View Post

    That's why I keep away from law firms, they scare the *!'@ out of me, I'll stick with the dizzy blond hairdressers who know squat about business! LOL

    Seriously though, a great post.

    Tim
    Its good that you know how to cherry pick whats working for you now. I went for 3 months one time convinced that I could sell daycare centers better than anything else and sold em like crazy till I ran out of leads and had to move to a new niche... you'll move from niche to niche... its good though that you know where you operate best at this moment.
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    • Profile picture of the author SamyE
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      My straight up TEXT pages that I write off the cuff, sell better than ones with a ton of graphics... and ones that follow all the copywriting rules...
      John,

      I suspect that when you are writing off the cuff, you are writing at a subconscious level. You have lots of experience and it comes of in how you write and express it free hand. All the graphics and mumbo jumbo also take some thunder from the message. Take it all away you you can only see the message and now you can process the message its self.

      WillDL
      You know more than most off liners. Most are told to go after the doctors, lawyers, and high profit / high ticket segments.

      Yet how many take the time to pick up the phone and just call, introduce them selfs and ask it they can just ask some questions and learn about the specific business segment -> with out selling.

      Learning and educating your self about the market is your first job. Not selling them the service. Especially segments like lawyers, financial advisors, and all the other heavily regulated segments. Mess up in one of these segments and it will cost them the licence to operate and do business in that segment.

      Amazing what split testing will tell you. The ultimate proof of what works or does not work.

      Great thread guys and gals. Please keep it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillDL
    7. Mispronounce My Last Name
    My last name is a color. It is spelled just like the color. There is no excuse.

    Yes, that just happened. No, there is not anything of value in this post... But I mean... Really?
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