Desperate straits, please help.

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Okay guys. I am turning to this forum as a last resort. I am completely broke, and worse, am out of milk for my coffee. I can't function without caffiene.

But seriously. I have food in the fridge, I am a little behind on a few bills, but not horribly so. But I am having a problem. The one client I have was on spec. The remaining hot prospects want to see results before they will pay.

I have a FULL SERVICE marketing consulting firm. I can do, or outsource, any marketing service, be it online or traditional. I have chicken and hamburger in the fridge, but I'm feeling potato soup tonight and no potatos.

So how do you get cash now from your offline business?

So far, I've thought of offering a reduced price website, facepage fanpage, or e-bay store with half up front and half upon completion.

Any other ideas?
#desperate #straits
  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Alexander
    A lot of us has been there...totally get it. It stinks.

    So can you "hit the streets" and make it a numbers game? Walk in and offer your services with a small, low-priced offer that can show some local businesses results they'll be happy with?

    Maybe get them a few more leads with some of your services?
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  • Profile picture of the author Huskerdarren
    Do you have any pages to show as samples? Could you take one domain and add 5 or so subdomains with different sample templates of your work? Or, just buy some .info domains and put up a few sites in your Hostgator or Homestead account as a portfolio? Give them something visual so they can get comfortable with your abilities. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author bigredrassler
    I think some of you are missing the joke and the point of this thread. No, my situation is really not desperate. I have food, utilities, and am only a little over due on the rent(owe 580, monthly rent is 500 and that 580 includes this month)

    The point of this thread is, how do I get money TODAY. I could take a part time job at the closest eatery, and wait two weeks before I even hear if I've been hired, then wait three weeks for my first paycheck. Not going to get any tips since small towns like this do NOT hire men to wait tables, I would be resigned to the kitchen, and I hate working kitchen. I do love to cook, but not that way.

    I am currently working up demos of websites I could build for the local businesses to load onto my flash drive. I will then take my wife's laptop and show these websites to local businesses. That is ONE WAY to possibly get money today. What are others you can think of?

    Here are the services I offer:
    Website creation, ebay stores, social network marketing, copywriting, press releases, promotions creation, SEO, media advertising, merchandising, and, well, anything else a client could ask for that pertains to marketing.

    What can I do so that I can get enough money, before my wife gets home, to get these ingredients: Potatoes, milk, bacon, cheese. That is the question posed.
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    • Profile picture of the author donhx
      Originally Posted by bigredrassler View Post



      Here are the services I offer:
      Website creation, ebay stores, social network marketing, copywriting, press releases, promotions creation, SEO, media advertising, merchandising, and, well, anything else a client could ask for that pertains to marketing.

      What can I do so that I can get enough money, before my wife gets home, to get these ingredients: Potatoes, milk, bacon, cheese. That is the question posed.
      Your post looks like an ad. Looks like you want someone here to hire you and to pay you half upfront. It could happen, but usually not. Looking for money on this forum is often futile. Most here need it too and do not have extra.

      Looking for money on this forum appears to me to be your second business error. Your first error was working on spec. I've never known that to work.
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  • Profile picture of the author rsm
    Go to the pawn shop!! Does that help? Pawn your computer and then ask if they need a website for their business.
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  • Profile picture of the author bigredrassler
    No pawnshops 'round here. And that was a little snide. Are you seriously telling me I should not try to make any money TODAY in my marketing consulting business because it is impossible. I've been out to see my current client already and she seems to think it's a good idea, in fact, had she not already had someone "still" building her website, she probably would have taken me up on the offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author bigredrassler
    Thank you Tim, and also, thanks for the freebie template, downloaded it after watching your posted vids from the conference a couple of days ago. Highly reccomend the videos.

    Here is the thing, this was supposed to open the flow of ideas. There are at least half a dozen ways that I could go out after lunch and make 50 bucks from my Business, not from other jobs or gigs. I can sell discounted websites, half up front. Facebook fanpages or group pages for 100 dollars, half up front, other half not due until fans reach X thousand. Keyword research for the local business, that one takes some explaining:
    Go to a company in your town that has a simple website. Go to their website, find what keywords they use, then figure out what they SHOULD be using. Take those keywords and proof of why they should use them to the business owner and show, saying "I'm going to show you how you can get more TARGETED traffic to xyzcompany's website." Then show them the proof and offer to get them ranked for keywords for price, split payment again.
    Those are just a few of the ones I could use. What else guys? We have in this very forum some of the most creative people I have ever seen.
    Let's show how lucrative this business can be starting from 0
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by bigredrassler View Post

      Thank you Tim, and also, thanks for the freebie template, downloaded it after watching your posted vids from the conference a couple of days ago. Highly reccomend the videos.

      Here is the thing, this was supposed to open the flow of ideas. There are at least half a dozen ways that I could go out after lunch and make 50 bucks from my Business, not from other jobs or gigs. I can sell discounted websites, half up front. Facebook fanpages or group pages for 100 dollars, half up front, other half not due until fans reach X thousand. Keyword research for the local business, that one takes some explaining:
      Go to a company in your town that has a simple website. Go to their website, find what keywords they use, then figure out what they SHOULD be using. Take those keywords and proof of why they should use them to the business owner and show, saying "I'm going to show you how you can get more TARGETED traffic to xyzcompany's website." Then show them the proof and offer to get them ranked for keywords for price, split payment again.
      Those are just a few of the ones I could use. What else guys? We have in this very forum some of the most creative people I have ever seen.
      Let's show how lucrative this business can be starting from 0
      While there are a multitude of ways you can make money, both online and offline, the danger here is getting caught up in too much learning and too little doing. I know it's great to read about all these ways you can make money, but it's nothing more than theory until you go out and actually implement it.

      Please don't let all these valuable tips and ideas go to waste - put them into action as soon as you can! A great idea in your mind is never going to make you money, and you'll make far more money implementing it (even if you don't do a great job of things) than just theorizing and discussing concepts!
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  • Profile picture of the author marketingstatic
    I think everyone missed your joke including me and your initial post didn't sound as though you were asking for brainstorming list but it rather sounded like you were begging for assistance or at a minimum ideas. Not to sound like a jerk because I struggle with mine too aka communication skills but I think that would be a good starting point just observing this thread fix the way you interact with others. Then your income would likely go up in proportion to improving communications.
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    • Profile picture of the author Blindbiz
      Pick one markwt and stay focused on it. Something amazing will happen, new ideas will pop up, new strategies and new opportunties will float to the top of your world. Idea: focus on just a posting services for classified sites, build clickable ads for classified sites, (They cost $5 each on fiverr) and charge $69 to build and post. Offer keyword research reports, offer local web services to service business, offer ............
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Take a loss and offer something of EXTREME value to someone in exchange for something they would be CRAZY to say no to.

    Profit is important, but, in lieu of that, a company or individual has to have "cash flow"... so for one week, dont think of profit, just think of getting "cash flow".

    You need cash flowing at all costs.

    Offer to do a $1000 job for $200... or something... do something crazy... a man thinks better with money in his pocket. Things will look different from the next plateau when you have a few hundred in your pocket... Get that first so you can think straight. The perspective will not feel desperate anymore, and you will also know you can achieve.Every 100 dollar bill you put in your pocket will help you see just a little more clearly... get cash flow now, when you see more clearly get profit...

    Sell something. Its the ONLY^ way out.

    I have been there. If you cant see a way, or something you have that can be turned into cash... then ask God or the Universe. "How can I leverage what I already have to get what I want"?

    Then listen, as Michael Hiles reminded me. Its there trust me. Believe me, its in all men. Just ask and listen. Cant wait to hear your results.

    Edit:

    Okay, a little more,

    Take ONE DAY and get some cash. Make a goal of creating $100.

    Tell yourself it doesnt even all have to come from the same avenue... it can come a little here or there....

    Do everything in your power to create that... and at the end of the day bow to yourself for honoring your goal and achieving it, and thank God for the opportunities you were presented with.

    Do that for 5 days, taking small bites, just $100 at a time.

    Now that your faith is up and you are $500 healthier. DOUBLE IT the next week.

    I know Im typing alot, just trying to help!

    Here's probably the best thing I can do to help, and save myself alot of breath. Point you to what I think is the most inspiring post on the WF

    Read post #19 on this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...desperate.html
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    • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      I just Really reALLY REALLY like this post.....

      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      This is a cut and paste from another post of mine. It is very similar to my stock answer for this OP Qustion.

      Here is what I would do.

      First I'd build "momentum." I can work mad, I can work sad and I can work glad but I can't work hungry so first things first.

      I'd walk about two blocks to a business area and walk into the first business and say to the owner, "I'll build you a website for $300." If he said no I'd say, "How about $200?" If he said no I'd say, "How about $100." By now we would both be laughing and before I left I'd have some money in my pocket.

      Now off to Denny's, Norms or IHop for a BIG breakfast and a pot of coffee.

      From there I'd walk into every business and repeat what I did this morning. The only difference would be that I wouldn't settle for less than $300 with half down and half whenever.

      At lunch time I'd go to a mom and pop restaurant and eat a nice lunch and leave a BIG tip in plain view on the table as I asked to speak to the owner. The owner would come over and I'd tell him. "Your food is so good I want to give your restaurant a place of honor on my restaurant guide on the Internet. I'd walk out with that deposit and spend the rest of the day selling til dinner time.

      I'd be so far away from home by now I would pay to ride the bus home. Stopping off at the local market I'd buy some beer and salty snacks and stay up all night building websites.

      In a couple of days I'd return to all the people I sold to and collect the rest of my money.

      Now I would write a WSO on "How To Pull Money Out Of Thin Air" Outlining how I started selling to offline businesses and make another quick thousand or two.

      Oh wait. That's not what I "would do." That's what I did. Rinse & Repeat.

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      Classic if you ask me....
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  • Profile picture of the author fitz10
    How about the idea proposed in this thread? http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...lie-doing.html

    Hit the pavement and start shooting some photos. You could even do an Animoto style video. Then suggest you put that video on a Facebook Fan Page and you can design that fan page for $X.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karate Kid
    What to do if you're desperate is a good thread.

    But remember, you're racing against time here. Pick one that you can do immediately and just DO IT. Now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Headfirst
    Stop doing work on spec immediately. Never take on a project on spec. From now on, from this day forward, you must commit to requiring payment upfront, at least 50% though I generally require 100% up front.

    You're a professional, act like it in front of your clients.

    That being said, ask around, ask family and friends. Who needs something right now? Call it a tax discount or something and offer some killer prices until april 15.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by jeffrey73 View Post

        I don't think you guys get it.. He's making an April Fools joke.. I think? :rolleyes:
        No it gets like that... I hope you are past this now rassler but another idea I thought of for you is this...

        Go take 1.00 to the gas station, and buy a coffee. and make it one part coffee and 9 parts creamer, so then you get about 5 or six cups of coffee with creamer for only one dollar.

        Blammo... Always a solution.... Dont have a dollar? Go clean out your car and I'd bet you will probably find one.

        Now I just hope you havent run out of coffee too before you get this...then its back to the ole drawing board I guess!

        If all else fails, take a guitar out on a busy corner and leave the case open with a sign that says tips, and you should make a couple hundred bucks in most towns within 4 hours or so...

        If you cant play just strum ... and make a sign that says please donate to my guitar lessons... seriously you can make a couple hundred per day... back when I was twenty and I was a young buck... I would sometimes play a sidewalk gig in the morning, an outdoor "retail store opening" celebration in the afternoon heat, with a semi trailor for a stage... and then a gig at the 'dontknow' lounge in the evening...

        A day like that would produce $5-$600.00 maybe $700 if you got alot of tips at the night gig.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Payne
    If you can write, there are a multitude of a writing jobs that can be found on the Warrior Forum and other forums. All you would need to do is post a small ad and you would have jobs and cash immanently. You will never got rich writing and writing might not be your thing....but if you need cash today there are an unlimited amount of writing jobs out there where you don't even have to prove yourself to be a good writer and someone will hire you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
    Last time we spoke Red... you were dealing with a client... So I know this thread is outdated now...

    But... How is it going today?
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  • Profile picture of the author bigredrassler
    I am doing better and better. Monday is a new business week, and I will be focusing on getting results instead of focusing on the results I've been getting. Got minutes, got a plan, and got a new fire in my belly.

    It's going to be the second best week of my life.
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  • Profile picture of the author cma01
    Rassler,

    Are you trying to market to businesses in the town on your profile?

    If so, I think you might need to really do a strategic marketing analysis for your own business. According to the city profile that I looked up, Holton has 3,300 people.

    Where are the businesses getting their business from? The immediate community? Is there tourism? Does it pull from surrounding areas?

    Do they even need SEO? I mean if they are the only game in town, they could have the crappiest site on the internet and still rank.

    And what is the deal with the city web site? That is one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen for an "official" city site. Why isn't is on a .gov domain?

    Look at this: this is the "city" email newsletter? Holy crap. It screams "rinky dink" and "podunk." Nothing against small towns. I'm from a town even smaller than that.

    But my point is, if you want to serve a specific business community, you have to look at the make up and the culture of it.

    What do the businesses in Holton need? What are their challenges. Maybe rather than a web site, you should look at follow up systems and offer that service. In my area, that is what many small business owners struggle with.

    Also, the tighter the community the more community plays a role in business. So you may be awesome, but if it is between you and an incompetent idiot that has a better relationship with the business owner, the incompetent idiot will get the job.

    And who is this Rex Cameron guy? Do you know? It looks like he did web sites around 2005 that have never been updated since. They're hideous.

    Oh my goodness . . . I just looked to see if I could find other sites for area businesses, and did you know that there is not one business that is listed in Google Places? There's a need.

    And then the Chamber of Commerce doesn't even have it's own web site? What's up with that? It's a subdirectory off that cheesy "city" site.

    I think part of the issue that you're going to run into is that these people just don't know what good looks like, or maybe they do, but they think it doesn't matter because people will come to them anyway.

    I looked at the Chamber directory that is posted on the site (plain vanilla pdf no less.) A lot of businesses don't even have a web site and most of those that do absolutely suck. The chiropractor's isn't bad, but that is only in comparison to the rest of the crap.

    So you have the casino close by right?

    From what I'm seeing online, business owners in your town are stuck in the 1920's when it comes to marketing. If you want to build up a consulting business there, you are going to have to take up the role of teacher. Partner with the chamber for info seminars.

    Create a freaking decent community site, have community information, news, have a business directory, build a mailing list for an actual email newsletter, have an option for a single page web site for business, and sell ad packages.

    Work on creating and promoting a community event that will pull some of that casino traffic into town.

    That will all take some time though. Both to establish yourself as an authority and to educate, inspire and encourage people to take action.

    But for the immediate need, I would look at the casino. If you had a contact with someone there and could get a contract with them, that would obviously be awesome. But again, you will probably have to establish yourself first.

    I would look at the businesses around and focus on contacting those who need that traffic from the casino. Maybe you could even put a cooperative promotion together for several businesses and charge them to execute and promote it, then the businesses could split the cost.

    Go to the concierge at the casino and tell them you are working with area businesses to help create the best experience possible for local visitors and ask them where they see a need.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author bigredrassler
    I'm sitting on a gold mine alright, but when trying to sell shovels to these people, they find reasons not to buy

    That's just sour grapes.

    The problem I'm running into most often is that most of these businesses think they "Don't need marketing" or "we're putting a sign out on the sidewalk next week, that should help really bring them in".

    This town has had some tourist attractions, but they are all closed down now, because the town never marketed these things outside of the town itself.(The last remaining "sight to see", a doll museum, only advertises themselves with a flyer in the local library).

    I wonder if I could approach the city council about creating a tourism draw, and creating that kind of revenue.

    The businesses get most of their foot traffic from the same people they have been getting traffic from for 10 years or so, and those customer's families, but I know some people who have lived here for over a year, and still don't know where a couple of long established businesses are located or what they sell, because these businesses just don't know how to market.

    The sad thing is, I actually realized that the reason people are leaving this town and it is dying(businesses are closing, more people leave then stay, the average age in Holton is something like 56, and there is no one in this town that I know of over 95, meaning it's alot of senior citizens) is self created. This town is literally killing itself, and I hate to see that.

    I have a solution, I know with a good marketing plan in place for these businesses the economy would get a boost and then this town may yet survive, but the business owners are not interested in spending the money, or even in some cases, free advice. Most of them don't want to hear what I have to say.

    And as far as any business being the only game in town...There are 5 hair salons, two auto parts stores, to furniture stores, 3 restaraunts, 2 fabric stores, and 6 antique stores all on the "Square", literally one square block.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
    CMA does make a valid point about getting into the mind of the target demographic.
    Also... the Chamber Meeting educational presentation wouldn't hurt things...

    Do you think that the auto parts stores and fabric stores would like to get revenue from outside of the city by having an ecommerce site set up that get's national traffic?

    Really... you are only 36 miles outside of Topeka. A city of 122k people...

    So... while you are getting set up... I would call on every single in home service provider in Topeka.

    Roofers, Electricians, Builders, Window Cleaners, Plumbers, etc....

    You could also do your local area as well... with the same type of business... But really... I would focus more on Shawnee Co.

    Even though Topeka is a small town.... It doesn't mean there aren't opportunities to be had for Internet Marketing Consultants.

    Just sayin...
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    There is absolutely no need to confine yourself to just Holton. Louie has pointed out one viable strategy above, and another approach you could take is to just approach businesses in Topeka about improving their internet presence to garner additional sales. You'd gain a lot more traction and interest there, in my opinion.

    Sometimes you have to go the extra mile to get going, since you're in a small town. Don't let that be the excuse that holds you back - try to broaden your horizons here. In addition to Topeka, you also have the cities of Lawrence and Manhattan to target. While they're not as big as Topeka, they're still significantly larger than Holton and you'd have many more businesses there to target.

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  • Profile picture of the author bigredrassler
    I do plan on focusing on Topeka, Manhattan, Lawrence, and even Kansas City, but all of those locations require travel which is a risky condition with my current vehicle.

    I did consider the educational spin through the chamber last night and feel it is a great idea and I will be calling the chamber Monday as well as my cold calling.

    The autoparts stores are national franchises, Nappa and Bumper to Bumper, so to sell to them would require going through their corporate system.

    The fabric stores may be interested in e-commerce, but the one doesn't ever want to hear what I have to say "No, we don't need anything, we handle our own website", and the other is run by the mother of a local web designer who actually understands SEO(her site has quite a few good quality backlinks) but doesn't understand how to market effectively as far as I'm concerned.

    I am liking how this thread has developed, there is a lot of good content coming out now that may help more than just me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
      Originally Posted by bigredrassler View Post

      I do plan on focusing on Topeka, Manhattan, Lawrence, and even Kansas City, but all of those locations require travel which is a risky condition with my current vehicle.

      I did consider the educational spin through the chamber last night and feel it is a great idea and I will be calling the chamber Monday as well as my cold calling.

      The autoparts stores are national franchises, Nappa and Bumper to Bumper, so to sell to them would require going through their corporate system.

      The fabric stores may be interested in e-commerce, but the one doesn't ever want to hear what I have to say "No, we don't need anything, we handle our own website", and the other is run by the mother of a local web designer who actually understands SEO(her site has quite a few good quality backlinks) but doesn't understand how to market effectively as far as I'm concerned.

      I am liking how this thread has developed, there is a lot of good content coming out now that may help more than just me.
      Absolutely... This thread has the potential to help a LOT of people... not just you.

      So... back to the subject at hand.... You're demographic is a bit different than mine...

      I would HIGHLY suggest that you start going where these people go to socialize. In our conversations.... I have told you that I once lived in Eureka, KS...

      A town south of you with similiar population.

      Everyone... and I mean everyone knows everyone. Networking is HUGE in a town like that. Starting today or tomorrow cause it may be too late... I would go the the City Cafe... I am sure there is one there. A place where everyone including the farmers, goes to have coffee and breakfast. You may have to get up hella early.... but it will pay dividends in the long run.

      Don't sell... be social.... get to know the people in this town. Be nice... Start volunteering every chance you get.... Become a local figure in the community. That won't be hard to do since there are so few people.

      Once people get to know you. Then they will be more open minded to hear what you have to say. Once they know you are committed to the community, that you are there to stay.

      While you are doing this.... start working on your phone close.

      If transportation is an issue.... you better start learning the phones in a big way if you are to survive. I have closed $30,000 deals over the phone and internet without actually meeting people... So I am sure you can too.

      Stock brokers do it every day.

      Go rent or buy the movie "Boiler Room"

      Read John Durhams Telemarketing on Crack or listen to the audios... (free)

      It is not that hard to do deals virtually. Even when the mindset is look see touch feel like it is in Kansas.

      Originally Posted by donhx View Post

      Your post looks like an ad. Looks like you want someone to hire you here and to pay you half upfront. It could happen, but usually not. Looking for money here is usually futile. Most here need it too and do not have extra.

      Looking for money here appears to me to be your second business error. Your first error was working on spec. I've never known that to work.

      Obviously the poster of this message did not read the whole thread. That was taken out of context. Red... don't be offended here... I know we have spoken on more than one occassion and that is not your motive or purpose here.
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  • Profile picture of the author scotth
    For me getting in the door and getting the money up front was like prying open a Loomis Bank Armored Truck...everyone and his brother were offering web design seo ect..I needed to stand out...I noticed in my area no and I mean almost no one had a mobile website...so I figured out how to build mobile design sites..started calling owners and they had a open ear..than once I got busy I would outsource it..low and behold once I started calling biz. owners they were very open to mobile site design...this has been my key to getting in the door of business owners with open arms and handing me a check...this is new and fresh to business owners and they need it...this has open many doors to seo up-sales.

    Just my experience...no problem getting money!
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  • Profile picture of the author bigredrassler
    Wow, I gots homies who gots my back.

    I have no intention of accquiring clients here for marketing services, though if anyone wants to hire me as a copywriter...

    I am more focused right now on helping out the small business owners in a still struggling economy.

    I have been trying to figure out a way to offer my services and sell on the phone entirely, reading the scripts on TMF and such, but I guess I still have some doubts about my own ability to do so.

    But I will keep trying, adapting, and trying again. My goal is to make one decent priced sale in town, which should allow my the resources to start in on Topeka. And actually, my wife has doctor's appointment in Leavenworth and is taking the shuttle from Topeka, so I had planned on spending the time between dropping her off and picking her up, working my way up and down the main 3 strips. Her appointment is on 4/13 so that is pretty soon, should I call and set up appointments for that day or just drop in cold like I do here in town.
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    • Profile picture of the author darinlh
      Originally Posted by bigredrassler View Post

      I am more focused right now on helping out the small business owners in a still struggling economy.
      If that is what you really believe walk into the local city gov and ask to speak with someone in charge of marketing / commerce / travel promotion / small biz etc.. and tell them that.

      Offer to put on a "free meeting" with their city council then throw together a video of you doing a powerpoint presentation aka camstudio of the growth of the internet and how much is being made with your "advertisement" as the video closing as a sponsor after a slide that says "Presented by enter (city leader name here). Burn this onto a DVD along with several other videos of the basics of marketing local business online and how to pull outside visitors in. Give these out to to the camber of commerce folks with permission to copy as many times as they want.

      I bet you could get this down very quickly and fill your "lead pool" for at least 6 months of work.

      Remember to be the "trusted advisor" and educate them not sell to them. By teaching them how to speak intelligently about the internet you will drive much more interest in it. Most older folks have never spent the time to learn about the "new marketing" not because they would not understand but because they do want to appear to "not know" something that a younger person "just knows".

      Hmm this is starting to sound like a great WSO
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      • Profile picture of the author wbinst2
        You could use your marketing skills to make up a flyer with a seriously GREAT OFFER. Guarantees, testimonials, scarcity, good copy etc...

        Maybe for a website or website make over or whatever. That seems the easiest entry. Copy them if you can afford a printer.

        Get around town and put them everywhere, talk to business people, the chamber, networking groups etc etc, hand out your flyer, your business card (you have one and website?) spend all your time doing this.

        Ask for 50% payment up front, before long you'll have some work. Outsource if you want to or do it yourself.

        **btw: What i find works ok is to do some free work for a couple of big name companies in town. Really well known businesses. Tell your prospects that you have "company X & Y" on board and you're doing work for them. That adds to your credibility and impresses smaller companies no end.

        You don't even need to do the free work yet. Just get their agreement to do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
      Originally Posted by bigredrassler View Post

      ...should I call and set up appointments for that day or just drop in cold like I do here in town.
      I would DEFINITELY call and set appointments.

      You can do little research that way....

      When you show up you will be prepared with a customized solution for thier business.

      This is how many people are searching the internet for your product or service each month RIGHT HERE in Topeka.

      Liars can figure.. but figures can't lie.

      You can show them in writing what the power of the internet can do for them.

      This will rest their mind at ease... and maybe open them up to the concept of advertising with you.
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  • Profile picture of the author cma01
    I have a solution, I know with a good marketing plan in place for these businesses the economy would get a boost and then this town may yet survive, but the business owners are not interested in spending the money, or even in some cases, free advice. Most of them don't want to hear what I have to say.
    Rassler,

    When I was looking at the businesses in your town, there is a direct mail marketing company that is located there. They claim that they are the leading direct mail company in Northeast Kansas.

    So obviously there are businesses spending money on marketing in the area if they are doing well.

    Businesses spend thousands of dollars for one single mailing. What is stopping you from doing online what they do in print?

    There was also some sort of water heater company that looked like they were trying to target a broader geographic area.
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  • Profile picture of the author bigredrassler
    Marketing concepts is the direct mailing company you are referring to, and I only know of one "local" business who markets through them, the local burger king franchise. The water heater company might be one of a couple of places, but I didn't see anyone trying to expand. Perhaps you could point a finger towards the direction for me.

    I will research that some more tonight and keep working at it, because I only really fail when I give up.
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  • Profile picture of the author cma01
    Rassler,

    I sent you a pm.
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  • Profile picture of the author bigredrassler
    Alright, worked my way through my list plus some since I was on a roll, and I got one "appointment". I use the quotation marks because the guy wants to meet on thursday but has a prior engagement and doesn't know what time he will be available, so I am supposed to call him thursday and we'll set up a time then.

    I also got call backs with times to reach the decision maker, and left messages for those that didn't pick up. I may call them again later this afternoon.

    @CMA, I got your PM and know the company, I called them and left a message. I checked their website and they have some decent SEO and a website that has good information I guess(though it isn't exactly great looking), I don't know what I could help them with until I talk to them and get their motivations, but I will surely try.

    @Darinlh, I am actually going down to the chamber today to see about setting up a free marketing seminar for the local community. I was actually going to put together a class and charge for it, but I think this will serve the community and my own business better in the long run. I was thinking about doing a camtasia to show the benefits of web marketing, or even just hooking up a laptop to a projector to show the basics of SEO. I will probably write up a presentation tonight and tomorrow and get it honed down.

    @wbinst2, I actually tried using pamphlets and handouts, with follow up calls and got absolutely no results. I'm not saying that wouldn't or couldn't work, I just don't think it will be very effective in this market. I thought about doing an informational on why web marketing, and marketing in general is so important, but I fear that they will end up the same place my benefits laden promotional sheet did, in the trash.

    @ all the warriors. You guys are so awesome. I had already done a lot of research on my town before I started so I knew what businesses would be most likely to buy or what ones most needed my services. I also spent time getting to know dozens of business owners in town, socializing with them and am on a first name basis with practically everyone on the square and many of the run-out-of-the-living-room construction and cleaning services. The info you are giving is golden, and I'm sure in a different town, maybe with a more aware business community, these tactics would be nuclear. It hasn't worked for me so far in Holton, but I will keep trying. And I want to thank those of you who actually looked in to why I might be having trouble, the information isn't easy to find, and if not for the fact that I served these people coffee and sold them cigarettes and pop, I may not have known who to talk to when I started cold calling in town.

    While some of you may be too humble to realize it, most of you are rockstars to those of us who have yet to really "make it", keep leading us to victory, because we will be the next generation of WF rock stars.
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