>>> Is this a good biz idea?

by atrbiz
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Hey everyone!

I recently was thinking of a biz idea in which I would create lead gen sites for local service oriented businesses and partner with local providers who will split profit. (We do marketing which gets the business in - they perform service).

So for example, let's say I create a micro-site and get it ranked page 1 for "New york city plumber",etc. I would then go out and find an experience/licensed plumber who wants own there own biz/be a partner - I would generate the leads/sales,etc and they would perform the service. Let's say each of these sites make you $1-$5k+/month and you set up 10+ of these (targeting plumbers, realtors,etc). This could quickly add up to A LOT of $$$

What are your thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
    I think it can work but you still must realize that sometimes this stuff just does not work!

    You will get sites that take off and you will get duds. It is unfortunate yes, but you never know until you try. Go for it!
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgeReed
    Sure, go right ahead and do that, or you could do it the simpler way.

    Go to businesses already looking to market online, and help them get a foothold on the internet and just generate leads for them, speak to the head guy in charge and let HIM handle his guys doing the work, and hell pay you for the leads.
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  • Profile picture of the author mustas4
    The idea is definitely good - I second George
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffrey73
    My question is.. how would YOU track how much they sell? You could track the lead, but beyond that, I don't see you knowing much more than beyond that unless you called EACH customer. It sounds good in theory... but you would have to be able to trust each business you are affiliated with, or they could easily take advantage of the situation. Just sayin...

    Originally Posted by atrbiz View Post

    I recently was thinking of a biz idea in which I would create lead gen sites for local service oriented businesses and partner with local providers who will split profit. (We do marketing which gets the business in - they perform service).
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  • Profile picture of the author jayspann
    I agree with Jeffrey on this one, it's hard to track the leads. However, if you do a results in advance campaign like this you can sell the landing pages to said businesses. I do this when I have free time or nothing for my VA's. I have got from 1k to 3.5k for a single lead page. I'm in a small area so I'm sure others could earn more. Just send a video to all the X in your area and play them off of one another. Tell them this page goes to the first to contact you and that they will be upset when there competitor buys it out from under them. Some wording to that effect.

    Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author BrainCopy
    I have a friend that does this for a chiropractor out in San Francisco. He's getting paid a good $65 per lead. He was offered some really good money for the site, but refused the offer for some reason. Anyways this type of stuff does work. And the best part is, all you have to do is just rinse and repeat.

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    • Profile picture of the author rugman
      I thought about doing something similar for all types of local contractors. My only concern at the time that I would be putting lots of control over to the contractors. Way too many of these guys are notorious for not showing up. Not a big deal unless YOUR name is on the work!
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  • Profile picture of the author nazee
    hi,
    I guess it might work for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
    I wouldn't worry about tracking results. I'd tell the person looking fo the service that you'll get three
    plumbers to contact them and give them a quote. It's up to the plumber to convert those leads. You
    sell the lead to three plumbers, who in turn will quote the potential customer.

    All you need do then is follow up with the customer to see how it all went for them. If it all went well,
    then you try to get a testimonal for your site. It it went badly, you have to make a judgement call as
    to whether the customer is just a bad customer, or the plumber is a bad plumber. if it's a bad plumber,
    they get a strike against their name. Three strikes, and they're out, you simply replace them. You
    mention this three strike rule on your lead capture site.

    HTH

    Glenn
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    I would never do this, and here is why:

    1. You might not get paid
    2. You could lose credibility because the plumber might be a rapist.
    3. Your business is in someone elses hands.
    4. Too much work for a marginal amount of money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      I would never do this, and here is why:

      1. You might not get paid
      2. You could lose credibility because the plumber might be a rapist.
      3. Your business is in someone elses hands.
      4. Too much work for a marginal amount of money.

      Oh, I never thought about that. I might as well shut down my businesses and spend my life in bed or summat.
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      • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
        Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

        Oh, I never thought about that. I might as well shut down my businesses and spend my life in bed or summat.
        Thanks for the smart ass comment bringing 0 value into the thread. And yes, if your business is in someone elses hands, and you're relying on another person to make money, then shut down "your" business, and spend your life in bed. I think that would be a great idea!

        Now for the people who actually care about making money, never rely on someone else entirely to make money. You could "rent" your domain out for a certain business, but never provide free leads for someone professionally. You might find someone just starting out that would happily pay you for the leads, what happens if they are not licensed? What happens if they are not insured and they mess up? It isn't just them that is liable, it is also you. I assure you, you can be sued!

        The only REAL way of doing this and getting results with the least amount of complications, is to rent out the site. Especially if you get a number one ranking, rent it out. The major problem you will see with that is you will have issued beating out google places listings for local searches.
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        • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
          Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

          Thanks for the smart ass comment bringing 0 value into the thread. And yes, if your business is in someone elses hands, and you're relying on another person to make money, then shut down "your" business, and spend your life in bed. I think that would be a great idea!
          You called me a 'smart ass'. You know zero about me or my
          businesses. If you did know about me, you'd know that I don't
          leave my businesses in the hands of anybody. Most people
          would have realized that I was being sarcastic in my post. You
          should read my other post in this thread before you state that
          I bring zero value to it. I showed a workable model in actual
          use by an associate.


          Perhaps there's a good reason you chose your nickname in here.
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          • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
            Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

            You called me a 'smart ass'. You know zero about me or my
            businesses. If you did know about me, you'd know that I don't
            leave my businesses in the hands of anybody. Most people
            would have realized that I was being sarcastic in my post. You
            should read my other post in this thread before you state that
            I bring zero value to it. I showed a workable model in actual
            use by an associate.


            Perhaps there's a good reason you chose your nickname in here.
            Bottom line is this forum is to share knowledge/tips/advice and learn from each other. If you're going to leave a comment on a thread make sure it's useful and doesn't bash anyone.
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        • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
          Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

          Thanks for the smart ass comment bringing 0 value into the thread. And yes, if your business is in someone elses hands, and you're relying on another person to make money, then shut down "your" business, and spend your life in bed. I think that would be a great idea!

          Now for the people who actually care about making money, never rely on someone else entirely to make money. You could "rent" your domain out for a certain business, but never provide free leads for someone professionally. You might find someone just starting out that would happily pay you for the leads, what happens if they are not licensed? What happens if they are not insured and they mess up? It isn't just them that is liable, it is also you. I assure you, you can be sued!

          The only REAL way of doing this and getting results with the least amount of complications, is to rent out the site. Especially if you get a number one ranking, rent it out. The major problem you will see with that is you will have issued beating out google places listings for local searches.
          Thanks for sharing!
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  • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
    Thanks everyone for the responses! The way you would have control and track everything is: when email/phone leads are generated you would hire an outsourced VA to confirm the appt,etc. That way the job is booked and the partner performs the job. You would obviously do reference checks on the partner, background check,etc...not just randomly select someone.

    I'm definitely going to set up a few of these sites/partnerships and see how it goes...
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  • Profile picture of the author paintbrush4u
    this will work however keeping things accountable is where it is at...
    do make sure you put things on paper and if i may suggest dont get into a contract that is long term that you cannot get out of....
    look at both your risk and reward.
    If you are profit sharing with a plumber lets say, then wat happens if one of your leads ends up filing a lawsuit aganst the plumber...
    understand the risk... unfortunately we live a very sue happy society.
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    • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
      Originally Posted by paintbrush4u View Post

      this will work however keeping things accountable is where it is at...
      do make sure you put things on paper and if i may suggest dont get into a contract that is long term that you cannot get out of....
      look at both your risk and reward.
      If you are profit sharing with a plumber lets say, then wat happens if one of your leads ends up filing a lawsuit aganst the plumber...
      understand the risk... unfortunately we live a very sue happy society.
      I'd need to link up with a solid attorney to draw up contracts,etc. I would basically be the marketing partner, and if there is an issue where the plumber did not perform job or screwed up he would be liable. Thus I would only deal with licensed/insured contractors. I'd basically be forming a new division that brings in sales from my lead gen site.
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      • Profile picture of the author RandyRandola
        I've done this for a few niches and for some it works, others it doesn't. There doesn't seem to be a reason for it.

        But I kept it simple.
        I own the site.
        - send the leads from the squeeze page to me and the JV partner
        - or have the lead call an 800# and leave a msg if they're interested in knowing more. Then forward this info off to the partner.
        - spot check the quality. Call every X lead and ask if they used your partner (why or why not)
        - talk to the partner and share this info (now they know you're tracking results)
        - you will see the ratio of leads to closed and then just watch that (unless you just charging on leads - then it won't matter)
        -if the partner needs help on closing leads, offer to teach him or find another provider and see of their closure rate is higher (I do this as a split test)

        I have not used an attorney because some business owners will screw you and that is all there is to it. I created a simple MOU which in my mind has more strength than something an attorney draws up because it is simpler with less wiggle room for attorney's.

        Just my two cents worth. Go for it! You've got nothing to lose.

        ~ Randy
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        • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
          Originally Posted by RandyRandola View Post

          I've done this for a few niches and for some it works, others it doesn't. There doesn't seem to be a reason for it.

          But I kept it simple.
          I own the site.
          - send the leads from the squeeze page to me and the JV partner
          - or have the lead call an 800# and leave a msg if they're interested in knowing more. Then forward this info off to the partner.
          - spot check the quality. Call every X lead and ask if they used your partner (why or why not)
          - talk to the partner and share this info (now they know you're tracking results)
          - you will see the ratio of leads to closed and then just watch that (unless you just charging on leads - then it won't matter)
          -if the partner needs help on closing leads, offer to teach him or find another provider and see of their closure rate is higher (I do this as a split test)

          I have not used an attorney because some business owners will screw you and that is all there is to it. I created a simple MOU which in my mind has more strength than something an attorney draws up because it is simpler with less wiggle room for attorney's.

          Just my two cents worth. Go for it! You've got nothing to lose.

          ~ Randy
          Thanks Randy!
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      • Profile picture of the author paintbrush4u
        Originally Posted by atrbiz View Post

        I'd need to link up with a solid attorney to draw up contracts,etc. I would basically be the marketing partner, and if there is an issue where the plumber did not perform job or screwed up he would be liable. Thus I would only deal with licensed/insured contractors. I'd basically be forming a new division that brings in sales from my lead gen site.
        I think thats a good idea...but if you are just starting out, dont go overboard with the legal thing. Dont over analyze it. Run it by a couple of sane and responsible ppl and jump in...
        Ppl keep sharpening their pencils till the cows come home.
        I like the part where its "READY SHOOT AIM". A good philosophy for the most part.
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        • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
          Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

          You called me a 'smart ass'. You know zero about me or my
          businesses. If you did know about me, you'd know that I don't
          leave my businesses in the hands of anybody. Most people
          would have realized that I was being sarcastic in my post. You
          should read my other post in this thread before you state that
          I bring zero value to it. I showed a workable model in actual
          use by an associate.


          Perhaps there's a good reason you chose your nickname in here.
          Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

          So somebody can completely miss the point of my post, insult me, and I get no right to reply? I might as well move from England to a country where I don't have the right to free speak!
          Wow... Is it really that time of the month for you? First, I did not call you a smart ass, I politely thanked you for the smart ass comment, because I genuinely appreciated it. Secondly, I don't care about a reputation or name on a message board, people that know me, used my services, have asked for consultation know how valuable I can be for them. No exaggeration there, many members on this board I have spoken to over the phone, giving advice, and helping them succeed.

          As for a workable business model... prostitution, drug trafficking, burglary, are all things that you can do as a "business", but that doesn't mean it is wise.

          Your response was that you might as well shut down your business... and yes if that is the only thing you are doing, you might as well. You never stated anything about not relying on other people for your income, everything you have said in this thread has nothing to do with making money for yourself, without depending on someone elses performance.

          If you take insult to anything I say, I'm sorry for getting under your skin. I meant no real offense, I'm a fan of sarcasm myself.

          Lets be real for a minute, there are tons of ways to make money online, and offline. There can be many different strategies and techniques that work, but might not be the best or smartest path to take. This is one of those things, do you disagree? There are many flaws in this model, and if it is working for a friend of yours, good for him/her. However, I'm sure your friend is incorporating other things to make money, if not then I think that is a very dumb decision.

          I have a few rules to live by business wise.
          1. Never depend on someones performance in order to get paid.
          2. Never be stagnant, never be satisfied where you currently are.
          2. Always diversify your income. Don't be a one trick pony.

          You have many posts here, and I'm sure you know some things and learned quite a bit here. I'm sure you can agree with those rules. I'm also sure you can understand why I will never advise anyone new, or anyone in general to depend on someone else for your business.

          On a better note, don't be offended by the smart ass comment, it is better for people to call you a smart ass than a dumb ass right? I think so.
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          • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
            Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

            Wow... Is it really that time of the month for you?
            I'm a 54 year old grandfather. I'd be surprised if you don't get
            some 'polite education' from some of the female Warriors about
            your sexist remark.

            Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

            First, I did not call you a smart ass, I politely thanked you for the smart ass comment, because I genuinely appreciated it.
            You said "thanks for the smart ass comment bringing 0 value into
            the thread". That's polite? Judging by your comments, I have my
            doubts that you appreciated my remark, it wasn't even aimed at
            you.

            Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

            Secondly, I don't care about a reputation or name on a message board, people that know me, used my services, have asked for consultation know how valuable I can be for them. No exaggeration there, many members on this board I have spoken to over the phone, giving advice, and helping them succeed.
            You don't care about your reputation in the warrior forum? That's
            an interesting concept. I for one do care about my reputation, in
            here, and in some other forums too.

            Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

            As for a workable business model... prostitution, drug trafficking, burglary, are all things that you can do as a "business", but that doesn't mean it is wise.
            Had you read about the business model I was referring to in my
            first post in this thread, you would know that I was talking about a
            local plumber. And of course, I can be expanded to include other
            traders too. I only work in ethical businesses. Strangley enough,
            when talking about workable business models, prostitution, drug
            trafficking, burglary are not the first things that spring to my mind.

            Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

            Your response was that you might as well shut down your business... and yes if that is the only thing you are doing, you might as well. You never stated anything about not relying on other people for your income, everything you have said in this thread has nothing to do with making money for yourself, without depending on someone elses performance.
            Did I not mention that you sell leads to three plumbers in my op?
            The industry is huge, certainly here in the UK and tradesmen, and
            women are looking for ways to generate better quality leads, and
            at a better price than they currently pay. People that know me,
            know I have several strings to my bow, selling leads to local
            businesses is one of them.

            Even an affiliate marketer has to work with other peoples performance.
            They have to rely on the vendor providing what they say they'll provide,
            otherwise refund rates are gonna be high.

            Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

            If you take insult to anything I say, I'm sorry for getting under your skin. I meant no real offense, I'm a fan of sarcasm myself.
            I don't take offence to everything you say, only when you tell me
            that I'm making a smart ass comment, and add zero value to this
            thread.

            Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

            Lets be real for a minute, there are tons of ways to make money online, and offline. There can be many different strategies and techniques that work, but might not be the best or smartest path to take. This is one of those things, do you disagree? There are many flaws in this model, and if it is working for a friend of yours, good for him/her. However, I'm sure your friend is incorporating other things to make money, if not then I think that is a very dumb decision.
            I do disagree, if you handle your lead generation websites well, you
            can make good money. Of course there are flaws with a lot of
            business plans, but generally, you sort them out as you go along.
            I simply offered a low risk alternative to the original plan.

            As for my friend, yes this is going to be his main business when he
            hands his roofing contractor business over to his partner. He
            expects to make over £2,000,000 per annum in the next three
            years. That's pounds sterling I'm talking about, or over $3,250,000
            FYI, my friend is a very successful businessman, and this is it not a
            dumb decision at all. He has a clear strategy that already works
            very well throughout the world. He's just adding my unique twist
            on things, using my systems to cut down on his advertising costs.

            Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

            You have many posts here, and I'm sure you know some things and learned quite a bit here. I'm sure you can agree with those rules. I'm also sure you can understand why I will never advise anyone new, or anyone in general to depend on someone else for your business.
            I didn't mention at all about relying on other people, I showed a
            way to profit without having to rely on them. Selling leads to three
            trades folk is a good system for the people needing a service,
            because they get three competitive quotes, it's good for trades
            folks, because they get better leads, and at better prices, and
            good for the lead seller, because they cut their risk. If one plumber
            doesn't pay up, you still have two more who will, and you simply
            replace the non payer. Win-Win-Win.

            Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

            On a better note, don't be offended by the smart ass comment, it is better for people to call you a smart ass than a dumb ass right? I think so.
            Your smart ass comment was intended to offend, otherwise why
            mention that you think I've added zero value in this thread? The
            value I added in my OP isn't up to you to decide, nor me. People
            will ether like my ideas, or not, so it's up to them to decide on the
            value I added. If it helps just one person, then job done.

            Glenn
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            • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
              Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

              I'm a 54 year old grandfather. I'd be surprised if you don't get
              some 'polite education' from some of the female Warriors about
              your sexist remark.



              You said "thanks for the smart ass comment bringing 0 value into
              the thread". That's polite? Judging by your comments, I have my
              doubts that you appreciated my remark, it wasn't even aimed at
              you.



              You don't care about your reputation in the warrior forum? That's
              an interesting concept. I for one do care about my reputation, in
              here, and in some other forums too.



              Had you read about the business model I was referring to in my
              first post in this thread, you would know that I was talking about a
              local plumber. And of course, I can be expanded to include other
              traders too. I only work in ethical businesses. Strangley enough,
              when talking about workable business models, prostitution, drug
              trafficking, burglary are not the first things that spring to my mind.



              Did I not mention that you sell leads to three plumbers in my op?
              The industry is huge, certainly here in the UK and tradesmen, and
              women are looking for ways to generate better quality leads, and
              at a better price than they currently pay. People that know me,
              know I have several strings to my bow, selling leads to local
              businesses is one of them.

              Even an affiliate marketer has to work with other peoples performance.
              They have to rely on the vendor providing what they say they'll provide,
              otherwise refund rates are gonna be high.



              I don't take offence to everything you say, only when you tell me
              that I'm making a smart ass comment, and add zero value to this
              thread.



              I do disagree, if you handle your lead generation websites well, you
              can make good money. Of course there are flaws with a lot of
              business plans, but generally, you sort them out as you go along.
              I simply offered a low risk alternative to the original plan.

              As for my friend, yes this is going to be his main business when he
              hands his roofing contractor business over to his partner. He
              expects to make over £2,000,000 per annum in the next three
              years. That's pounds sterling I'm talking about, or over $3,250,000
              FYI, my friend is a very successful businessman, and this is it not a
              dumb decision at all. He has a clear strategy that already works
              very well throughout the world. He's just adding my unique twist
              on things, using my systems to cut down on his advertising costs.



              I didn't mention at all about relying on other people, I showed a
              way to profit without having to rely on them. Selling leads to three
              trades folk is a good system for the people needing a service,
              because they get three competitive quotes, it's good for trades
              folks, because they get better leads, and at better prices, and
              good for the lead seller, because they cut their risk. If one plumber
              doesn't pay up, you still have two more who will, and you simply
              replace the non payer. Win-Win-Win.



              Your smart ass comment was intended to offend, otherwise why
              mention that you think I've added zero value in this thread? The
              value I added in my OP isn't up to you to decide, nor me. People
              will ether like my ideas, or not, so it's up to them to decide on the
              value I added. If it helps just one person, then job done.

              Glenn
              O...M...G...

              Yes, for the millionth time I have read your first post. You seem to be so fascinated with your first post that it is ridiculous. I don't understand what you believe is so great. So your "friend" is making 3.2 mill a year with this model. Talk is cheap glenn, and I really don't care what your possibly make believe friend is making using a horrible business model. I can tell you my grandpa quit being a lawyer and is making 9 mill a year, following my advice. Does that mean it is true simply because I say it is?

              Obviously anything I say, you're going to take the wrong way. Sorry, I'm not going to support your post simply due to a high post count. Your "workable business model" is not something that should be recommended to new members and it indeed can cause them many problems especially in the US! There are many more efficient ways and legit ways to go about offline marketing. Selling leads is something that CAN be done, but should never be your main source of income. Only fools will stay stuck in their ways and not diversify.

              As for my reputation on the Warrior Forum, there are many people that email me, call me, PM me asking for advice, asking for consultation, to review their WSO. I'm not wandering around here, walking on eggshells making sure I don't say something that can be taken the wrong way by someone overly sensitive. There are quite a few members that don't like me, there are a few members that I have bickered with and now we get along great, and there are members that respect me, and like me.

              The difference between me and you, I believe, is that I really don't care about who respects me on here. I'm not trying to get followers, my goal isn't to be respected. My only goal is to help people who need it. Maybe your intentions were great, I just didn't believe your post would be very helpful for someone new in the game. Now if you would have suggested a rent a site model for this, then I'd agree with you completely.

              Anyway, thats it for now.... I guess I'll be back the next time you decide to break down everything I say word for word.
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  • Profile picture of the author CloptonCapital
    It seems like the transactional cost of selling the leads is the weakness in this plan. Otherwise as long as it was done prolifically it sounds good
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  • Profile picture of the author paintbrush4u
    let there be peace and prosperity....
    You can use this to set an example...
    seeing the impossible at times is the best way to forge new relationships.
    I can almost see it.
    I can see "IamNameless" and "Glenn Leader" selling a jointly procuded WSO that is going to change the way business as usual is done today.
    Can fire and ice mix?... not every day but when they do...it is nothing but spectacular.
    ...
    ...
    and I almost forgot.... lets help our friend make some real $$$ in this economy...

    For what its worth
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  • Profile picture of the author ArticlePenguin
    go for it man, you can only learn more about yourself right? It sounds like it would take a good deal of work, but give it your all!
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  • Profile picture of the author vfactor
    hello frined
    good idea and will definitely work but not so east as it looks cause it involves a well managed process
    vijay
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  • Profile picture of the author vfactor
    friend one more thing i have heard a lot about it and i have already a thought about it but just making planning can not make you earn $$$
    Wish you all the best
    vijay
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  • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
    Let's all be nice now
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
      Originally Posted by atrbiz View Post

      Let's all be nice now
      It's difficult to be nice to somebody who has called my a liar, and made other scurrilous comments. I'm not going to waste my time on the matter any longer, I'll let the moderators sort it all out. I apologise for hijacking your thread.

      Glenn
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      • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
        Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

        It's difficult to be nice to somebody who has called my a liar, and made other scurrilous comments. I'm not going to waste my time on the matter any longer, I'll let the moderators sort it all out. I apologise for hijacking your thread.

        Glenn
        Dude, you need to just calm down and stop taking everything personally. I have no problem with you at all, my point was that anyone can say certain things on here, doesn't mean they are true. Doesn't mean I said hey Glenn, you're a liar. I'm surprised you do any offline marketing, being so sensitive about things. I apologize if I truly upset you, in all fairness, the sarcasm stemmed off from you and I love sarcasm, and thought you could handle it a bit better. It is nothing personal, I have nothing against you except that I think you gave bad advice in this thread, but thats all. The next thread I see you in, I could agree completely with what you say. Anyway, I really didn't mean to hurt your feelings, so I'm sorry for that.

        Atrbiz... I'm also sorry for hijacking your thread. To me, I want to be able to help people that don't have the answers to certain things. I really don't want people to have to learn the hard way, even though we always do! I don't believe this is a good business model, I really don't. Is this my personal opinion? Yes, a little bit, but I have done the same thing you are trying to do and it isn't worth it. First, you really notice how shady people can be when you do something like this.. Now lets say you were offered leads for a certain amount of money, just to pay for the leads flat out, and no one bites. Sucks doesn't it? Well that is how a lot of business owners feel. Here is the problem taking a percentage out of it, business owners aren't always the most honest people, some are doing whatever they can just to get by, even if that means being dishonest in certain areas. It isn't a matter of if they don't pay up, it is a matter of WHEN they don't pay up.

        You have a good idea, and yes it can work, but it isn't as efficient as other similar ways of doing things.

        What I suggest doing instead of this, is having a rent a site model. I know with google places that changes things a bit, but every local based site I have is listed above the local listings. Yours can too. Hell, you can even upsell them on google places as well. This is something that works, its guaranteed and if they don't wanna pay up, move to their competitors.
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        • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
          Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

          Dude, you need to just calm down and stop taking everything personally. I have no problem with you at all, my point was that anyone can say certain things on here, doesn't mean they are true. Doesn't mean I said hey Glenn, you're a liar. I'm surprised you do any offline marketing, being so sensitive about things. I apologize if I truly upset you, in all fairness, the sarcasm stemmed off from you and I love sarcasm, and thought you could handle it a bit better. It is nothing personal, I have nothing against you except that I think you gave bad advice in this thread, but thats all. The next thread I see you in, I could agree completely with what you say. Anyway, I really didn't mean to hurt your feelings, so I'm sorry for that.

          Atrbiz... I'm also sorry for hijacking your thread. To me, I want to be able to help people that don't have the answers to certain things. I really don't want people to have to learn the hard way, even though we always do! I don't believe this is a good business model, I really don't. Is this my personal opinion? Yes, a little bit, but I have done the same thing you are trying to do and it isn't worth it. First, you really notice how shady people can be when you do something like this.. Now lets say you were offered leads for a certain amount of money, just to pay for the leads flat out, and no one bites. Sucks doesn't it? Well that is how a lot of business owners feel. Here is the problem taking a percentage out of it, business owners aren't always the most honest people, some are doing whatever they can just to get by, even if that means being dishonest in certain areas. It isn't a matter of if they don't pay up, it is a matter of WHEN they don't pay up.

          You have a good idea, and yes it can work, but it isn't as efficient as other similar ways of doing things.

          What I suggest doing instead of this, is having a rent a site model. I know with google places that changes things a bit, but every local based site I have is listed above the local listings. Yours can too. Hell, you can even upsell them on google places as well. This is something that works, its guaranteed and if they don't wanna pay up, move to their competitors.
          It's cool. Thanks for the advice!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jacob Anthony
    atrbiz, I believe this is the kind of business glenn as alluding to and let me tell you they are making a lot of sales!

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    In each of these examples, the leads are sold to more than one tradesperson by alerting them to the lead and then charging them for full details of the lead.

    Hope this helps!

    Jacob
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
    Selling leads is where it's at.. But you don't need to find a partner to start their own business.. just sell the leads to reputable, established businesses in the area.. Way easier.
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