I made 30 cold calls today ...

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... what have you done to get new clients?

I am calling people to come to a local seminar on SEO.

Out of the 30 people:

> 6 said NO (for various reasons)
> 4 asked for more info.
> 20 people requested a callback because they were busy (so i'll call them later today)

Is it useful to share stuff like this?

Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
    Originally Posted by iamchrisgreen View Post

    ... what have you done to get new clients?

    I am calling people to come to a local seminar on SEO.

    Out of the 30 people:

    > 6 said NO (for various reasons)
    > 4 asked for more info.
    > 20 people requested a callback because they were busy (so i'll call them later today)

    Is it useful to share stuff like this?

    Chris
    Hey Chris, keep up the work! You should aim for 60 calls and see the results you get. With Cold Calling it's all a numbers game.

    Good luck!

    Ahmad
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    • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
      Originally Posted by atrbiz View Post

      Hey Chris, keep up the work! You should aim for 60 calls and see the results you get. With Cold Calling it's all a numbers game.

      Good luck!

      Ahmad
      I'm just on the second round now, so it should be 60 by the end of the day.
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      • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
        Originally Posted by iamchrisgreen View Post

        I'm just on the second round now, so it should be 60 by the end of the day.
        Great, let us know how it goes.
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  • Profile picture of the author ericlenhard
    Originally Posted by iamchrisgreen View Post

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    Is it useful to share stuff like this?

    Chris
    Yes, this is a good idea!
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    Originally Posted by iamchrisgreen View Post

    ... what have you done to get new clients?
    I am calling people to come to a local seminar on SEO.
    Out of the 30 people:
    > 6 said NO (for various reasons)
    > 4 asked for more info.
    > 20 people requested a callback because they were busy (so i'll call them later today)
    Is it useful to share stuff like this?

    Chris
    Personally, I think it can be useful.

    It shows that all the calls don't have equal outcomes, and, while its still a very small number called, it will be interesting to see how many you do call, before you book an attendee for the seminar. Does the seminar have a cost?
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    • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
      Originally Posted by brucerby View Post

      Personally, I think it can be useful.

      It shows that all the calls don't have equal outcomes, and, while its still a very small number called, it will be interesting to see how many you do call, before you book an attendee for the seminar. Does the seminar have a cost?
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      Bruce
      Yeah, the seminar is £47.00

      When it was free, I could get people to come easily. Not there's a cost, they need a reason to be there.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Morris
        Originally Posted by iamchrisgreen View Post

        Yeah, the seminar is £47.00

        When it was free, I could get people to come easily. Not there's a cost, they need a reason to be there.
        Hi Chris,

        As long as you build value into the seminar it's great idea to charge. It does sort the 'wheat from the chaff' so to speak.
        The thing is though if you do charge make sure that any up sell is done 'softly softly'.
        I ran a business where we used seminars as a way building relationships with clients. It took around three seminars to get a client to the point where they had enough of a relationship with us to do business.
        Seminars allowed us to build the rapport that clients demand today. Its the same rules that apply online only instead of a free report and drip feeding clients relevant info you do it in a live environment.
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  • Profile picture of the author fitz10
    I definitely think it's useful to other people. Hopefully it motivates them to take action.
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  • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
    Chris, can you tell us the typical conversation?
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    • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
      Originally Posted by RentItNow View Post

      Chris, can you tell us the typical conversation?
      It changes depending on the tonality of the person I speak to and also whether they are a gatekeeper or a director.

      But the call generally goes something like this:

      "Hi this is Chris from XXXXXXXXXXXX, I don't suppose I could take 30 seconds of your time and tell you why i'm calling?"

      (They usually say yes)

      "We have a seminar on the XXXX of XXXX. It's limited to just 20 people. Those people in the room will be company directors and marketing directors."

      "Some of them are frustrated that they aren't getting enough traffic and sales from their website."

      "Some are doing well with online enquiries but they are forward thinking and really want to push sales to the next level."

      "Does any of that resonate with you?"



      Or variations of that. So then I am having a conversation with them about traffic rather than just coming to a seminar.
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  • Profile picture of the author internetmadeeasy
    If i was going to get into seminars i would build a list and sell my seminars to them they would more likely want to come because you have a name whit them
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    • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
      Originally Posted by internetmadeeasy View Post

      If i was going to get into seminars i would build a list and sell my seminars to them they would more likely want to come because you have a name whit them
      I do both.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Good job, eventually you will want to aim for 100 calls a day, if you can handle the amount of work you will receive!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jacer
    I am sure you could get a few sales off that script, but it really needs to be re-wrote. Here are a few pointers:

    #1, never ask permission to speak

    #2, don't lead with the pitch, lead with the biggest problem they are facing (in relation to what your solution can provide).

    #3, drop the scarcity, this creates sales pressure (and they could really care less how many seats you have available.)

    #4, ask specific but open ended questions. It is all about creating a dialog, not about getting yes's and no's.

    If you want to test a better script, shoot me a message and I can help you re-write this one.
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    • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
      Originally Posted by Jacer View Post

      I am sure you could get a few sales off that script, but it really needs to be re-wrote. Here are a few pointers:

      #1, never ask permission to speak

      #2, don't lead with the pitch, lead with the biggest problem they are facing (in relation to what your solution can provide).

      #3, drop the scarcity, this creates sales pressure (and they could really care less how many seats you have available.)

      #4, ask specific but open ended questions. It is all about creating a dialog, not about getting yes's and no's.

      If you want to test a better script, shoot me a message and I can help you re-write this one.
      Thanks for the feedback Jacer.

      This was just an off the cuff one as I don't really script.

      I am interested in why you say "don't ask for permission". Could you elaborate on what you would do instead?

      Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author net1234
    But what happen when people don't know about what is SEO, how do you tell them? Do they believe it after explaining? I am not sure in my country they are going to believe about it...
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    • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
      Originally Posted by net1234 View Post

      But what happen when people don't know about what is SEO, how do you tell them? Do they believe it after explaining? I am not sure in my country they are going to believe about it...
      If you read my script again, you'll see that I don't mention the word SEO. I talk about websites and traffic.

      I agree, a lot of people still haven't heard the term SEO just yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author High Horsepower
    Originally Posted by iamchrisgreen View Post

    ... what have you done to get new clients?

    I am calling people to come to a local seminar on SEO.

    Out of the 30 people:

    > 6 said NO (for various reasons)
    > 4 asked for more info.
    > 20 people requested a callback because they were busy (so i'll call them later today)


    Is it useful to share stuff like this?

    Chris
    I used to be a cold calling cowboy and let me tell you, CC is tough. Very few ever succeed long term. If you are doing it to start your business, then fine. I was required to make 400 dials per day or couldn't go home. Yep, 400 day.

    30 dials is less than 30 minutes work. The people who claim they want more info are Liars. They know its an easy way to blow you off. Never send info. Here's a trick I was taught.

    Call the person back in several days and say this. Hell John, this is Joe, I'm calling you in regards to the Information I sent to you via first class mail. Is now a good time to talk? 9x out of 10 they will still blow you off. If they claim they didn't receive it (duh, I never sent) then says that's ok, I'll cover the info I sent you in the next few minutes. Start your pitch.

    Cold calling without being warmed up sucks, it's probably the worst method available to offliners. Does it work? Of course it does. There are much more Efficeint, Effective, and Faster ways to get clients.

    In addition, their is No "real sense of urgency" for prospect to talk to you.

    Others may try to debate me, but trust me, I'm correct. Been in sales for many, many, years. Can't think of anything I haven't tried yet.

    The way I get Cold Prospects to listen is to "find a sense of Urgency" for them to use YOU. Then you can pitch via email, direct mail, phone, or my favorite which has an extremely high rate of closing is Face to Face meeting. I can get a check in less than 24 hours.

    There is a right way to meet the prospect Cold and a wrong way. Most people barge into a place of business (I own 2 brick and mortar business, see this all the time) and start pitching. I developed a method that gets COLD business owners to call me, some almost Begging me to come to their place of business.

    That's how you get a check first contact.

    P.S. When they say "call me back", say what time is convenient for you, morning or afternoon?
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    • Profile picture of the author internetPro
      Originally Posted by High Horsepower View Post

      I used to be a cold calling cowboy and let me tell you, CC is tough. Very few ever succeed long term. If you are doing it to start your business, then fine. I was required to make 400 dials per day or couldn't go home. Yep, 400 day.

      30 dials is less than 30 minutes work. The people who claim they want more info are Liars. They know its an easy way to blow you off. Never send info. Here's a trick I was taught.

      Call the person back in several days and say this. Hell John, this is Joe, I'm calling you in regards to the Information I sent to you via first class mail. Is now a good time to talk? 9x out of 10 they will still blow you off. If they claim they didn't receive it (duh, I never sent) then says that's ok, I'll cover the info I sent you in the next few minutes. Start your pitch.

      Cold calling without being warmed up sucks, it's probably the worst method available to offliners. Does it work? Of course it does. There are much more Efficeint, Effective, and Faster ways to get clients.

      In addition, their is No "real sense of urgency" for prospect to talk to you.

      Others may try to debate me, but trust me, I'm correct. Been in sales for many, many, years. Can't think of anything I haven't tried yet.

      The way I get Cold Prospects to listen is to "find a sense of Urgency" for them to use YOU. Then you can pitch via email, direct mail, phone, or my favorite which has an extremely high rate of closing is Face to Face meeting. I can get a check in less than 24 hours.

      There is a right way to meet the prospect Cold and a wrong way. Most people barge into a place of business (I own 2 brick and mortar business, see this all the time) and start pitching. I developed a method that gets COLD business owners to call me, some almost Begging me to come to their place of business.

      That's how you get a check first contact.

      P.S. When they say "call me back", say what time is convenient for you, morning or afternoon?
      believe me people i heard his method and it is killer. i think we need to get Mr High Horse Power to come out with a WSO. so lets put some HIGH PRESSURE on him to do so..... dont be mad High Horse Power i couldnt resist skype me back Dude i gotta here more
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    • Profile picture of the author pspro
      Originally Posted by High Horsepower View Post

      I used to be a cold calling cowboy and let me tell you, CC is tough. Very few ever succeed long term. If you are doing it to start your business, then fine. I was required to make 400 dials per day or couldn't go home. Yep, 400 day.

      30 dials is less than 30 minutes work. The people who claim they want more info are Liars. They know its an easy way to blow you off. Never send info. Here's a trick I was taught.

      Call the person back in several days and say this. Hell John, this is Joe, I'm calling you in regards to the Information I sent to you via first class mail. Is now a good time to talk? 9x out of 10 they will still blow you off. If they claim they didn't receive it (duh, I never sent) then says that's ok, I'll cover the info I sent you in the next few minutes. Start your pitch.

      Cold calling without being warmed up sucks, it's probably the worst method available to offliners. Does it work? Of course it does. There are much more Efficeint, Effective, and Faster ways to get clients.

      In addition, their is No "real sense of urgency" for prospect to talk to you.

      Others may try to debate me, but trust me, I'm correct. Been in sales for many, many, years. Can't think of anything I haven't tried yet.

      The way I get Cold Prospects to listen is to "find a sense of Urgency" for them to use YOU. Then you can pitch via email, direct mail, phone, or my favorite which has an extremely high rate of closing is Face to Face meeting. I can get a check in less than 24 hours.

      There is a right way to meet the prospect Cold and a wrong way. Most people barge into a place of business (I own 2 brick and mortar business, see this all the time) and start pitching. I developed a method that gets COLD business owners to call me, some almost Begging me to come to their place of business.

      That's how you get a check first contact.

      P.S. When they say "call me back", say what time is convenient for you, morning or afternoon?
      am I the only one waiting with bated breath to find out what "the method" is????

      great tips High Horsepower, I've been cold calling via phone and in person lately and appreciate any new twists to add to my techniques and if you care to share more about finding their sense of urgency....

      Thanks,
      Heidi
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  • Profile picture of the author warrior realm
    Hi Chris,

    Personally I hate cold calling but I have to give you kudos for doing it. I did it for few years (back in the 80's) in the investment business and real estate. I even tried it a few times in the SEO biz, but again, hated it. I was always finding a reason not to pick up the phone.

    Something I did recently as an experiment while on vacation: I was with a friend and about to go into a restaurant for lunch. As we pulled into the parking lot he noticed I had about a dozen business cards on the console. "Cool cards ... you should pass out a couple to the businesses here!". Ahhhh, "NO Thanks" was my response. I hate cold calls. So my friend (being the smart-azz he is) said, "I'll pass a couple out and if you get a new customer from it, I get a commission". I agreed to that and within about 5 minutes he had walked in and out of 4 shops/businesses next to the restaurant. Before we finished eating I had a call from one of the four shops he walked into. I'll probably sign the guy up as a client in the next few days. Just goes to show you, sometimes you're just in the right place at the right time (and sometimes your friends are)! By the way, the business that called me? A "coin dealer".

    Cheers!
    Mojo Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
    wHere are some tips that can help you;

    1. Instead of talking about websites and traffic, talk about new customers. After all, isn't that what they're after?

    2. Determine whether or not you're talking to a decision maker. If not, get off the phone, or see if you can talk to him/her.

    3. Jacer is right, certain things, like the seat number, are not relevant.

    4. Get more specific about the type of businesses you're talking to. If you call a dentist, talk about patients etc.

    I'm not a cold calling expert, but I have had quite a bit of success approaching business owners "cold". That includes talking to people on the street or on the tube.

    Which makes me wonder, why did you choose cold calling?

    Why are you charging £47?

    Won't you make more money from a free seminar?
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    • Profile picture of the author internetPro
      hello my name is scott i am looking for a "you fill in the blank" that could use more business. Who would I need to speak to in order to get you phones ringing?

      hey this is Scott I am a local business owner her in the area and i just wanted to introduce myself along with the services that i am offering to help other business like yours to bring in more business.

      hello my name is scott and i know you probably get a ton of sales calls a day i know i do. So i will make this short and painless i hate making these calls just like you hate getting them. so lets help each other out here to stop both of our pains lol. listen all i need is the email to the person that makes the decisoin of who you use for your advertising needs. and i will shoot them over a short video that will explain how i can help you guys generate more business.

      hello is your web designer available? oh you dont have one?


      here are a few that may work for some bend them tweek them do what you will hope it may help somebody
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      • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
        Originally Posted by internetPro View Post

        hello my name is scott and i know you probably get a ton of sales calls a day i know i do. So i will make this short and painless i hate making these calls just like you hate getting them. so lets help each other out here to stop both of our pains lol. listen all i need is the email to the person that makes the decisoin of who you use for your advertising needs. and i will shoot them over a short video that will explain how i can help you guys generate more business.
        I like that. What do you put in your video?
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    • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
      Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

      Which makes me wonder, why did you choose cold calling?

      Why are you charging £47?

      Won't you make more money from a free seminar?
      Cold calling is just part of the 'mix' of what I do.

      With the seminar cost, i've been doing the seminars for 18 months for free, so we decided to test out what difference charging would make.
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      • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
        Originally Posted by iamchrisgreen View Post

        Cold calling is just part of the 'mix' of what I do.

        With the seminar cost, i've been doing the seminars for 18 months for free, so we decided to test out what difference charging would make.
        You see Chris, personally, I think you're paying more with your time than what you'll get from this.

        The only justification I see for cold calling, is when you have no other resources (like money) to promote your work.

        The thing is, you are trying to make a call, and get 50 quid at the end of it. If this was a purely lead generation campaign, you may have had it easier.

        I don't care what anyone says, you're destroying potential leads.

        if you call, it needs to be to get permission to send more info, or an exciting "widget" that makes them interested in you.

        I believe most of the people who are good with cold calling did it on someone else's budget. They were simply doing their job.

        Well, if you have the time, and there is no other, more profitable thing you can do with your time, just go on.

        Otherwise, you may want to focus on your real goal. Which, I presume, is to attract long-term paying clients.
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        • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
          Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

          You see Chris, personally, I think you're paying more with your time than what you'll get from this.

          The only justification I see for cold calling, is when you have no other resources (like money) to promote your work.

          The thing is, you are trying to make a call, and get 50 quid at the end of it. If this was a purely lead generation campaign, you may have had it easier.

          I don't care what anyone says, you're destroying potential leads.

          if you call, it needs to be to get permission to send more info, or an exciting "widget" that makes them interested in you.

          I believe most of the people who are good with cold calling did it on someone else's budget. They were simply doing their job.

          Well, if you have the time, and there is no other, more profitable thing you can do with your time, just go on.

          Otherwise, you may want to focus on your real goal. Which, I presume, is to attract long-term paying clients.

          Thanks for your input.

          I would much rather be calling people that have been warmed up or show an interest.

          What would you do to get more people to the seminars. Bear in mind that the seminars are really a time to pitch our offering.

          Cheers

          Chris
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          • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
            Chris

            I was just reading the graduate advantage website you did and notice that they are placing graduates on 12 month placements into local companies to you.

            Some of those palcements are in IT and Marketing.

            Any way you could work something out with them?

            I think there is but as I just looked now my brain would need to think it over for a couple of days.

            Dan
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            • Profile picture of the author ZachWaldman
              Two things.

              First, why charge for a seminar, especially when you found you could get people to go when it was free? The seminar should be you telling your target market what they need to do to get results.

              However, if they want to know how to get those results, they have to buy your product.

              Second, I use cold-calling in my business but I don't make the calls. I provide the leads and outsource the calls. When they get a lead, they tell me and I do the closing. This is sometimes called fronting and it's worked quite well for me.

              Hope this helps!
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              • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
                Originally Posted by ZachWaldman View Post

                Two things.

                First, why charge for a seminar, especially when you found you could get people to go when it was free? The seminar should be you telling your target market what they need to do to get results.
                When it was free we had loads of crazy people in the room that just wanted the free stuff. They were a bit disruptive and never committed at the end. The people that became clients said that they would have paid to be there. So that's what i'm basing it on.

                I could be wrong tho.


                Originally Posted by ZachWaldman View Post

                Second, I use cold-calling in my business but I don't make the calls. I provide the leads and outsource the calls. When they get a lead, they tell me and I do the closing. This is sometimes called fronting and it's worked quite well for me.

                Hope this helps!
                I tried this in the past and it went really wrong. Could you tell me how you've gone about this. Thanks.
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                • Profile picture of the author ZachWaldman
                  Originally Posted by iamchrisgreen View Post

                  I tried this in the past and it went really wrong. Could you tell me how you've gone about this. Thanks.
                  Well, explaining how to get reps to cold call for you could be a course all by itself. However, here's a few things that may help you get started.

                  First, I use Craig's List and put up an ad looking for sales reps. I tell them right in the ad that it's a straight commission job.

                  Second, when I did this in the past, I didn't provide the leads, which really hurt my ability to find anybody to do the job. Provide the leads, and you'll have a better shot.

                  Third, I hire about 12 people each time I run my Craig's list ad. All but one or two usually do nothing.

                  Lastly, I'm very generous with the one or two people that actually make the calls and do a good job. For instance, I pay a large commission and I give them an opportunity to manage the news reps for an override.

                  There is one other point I'd like to make. You will have much better results if you give the reps everything they need. Not only the leads, but a script, continued training and support, and anything else that will make it so they can focus on doing nothing but making as many calls as possible.
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              • Profile picture of the author High Horsepower
                I could give you many reasons why you WANT to charge money.

                1. It rids you of the timewasters and tirekickers.

                2. You have their business info up front, you can do market research up front and use it at your seminar. Have a Hotseat and pick a member from the audience to give an analysis of their niche. You have already done the Research on them and their Competition, you look like the expert. Instant Credibility.

                3. You normally need to tell the Hotel how many people will be attending to plan coffee, drinks, food, amount of tables, chairs, etc... It's a SCIENCE to do a great seminar. I've done many.

                4. You can plan how many manuals, packets or giveaways you'll need upfront.

                With Free seminars you have way Higher cancellations, no shows, etc... sometimes Free is good, but mostly bad.



                Originally Posted by ZachWaldman View Post

                Two things.

                First, why charge for a seminar, especially when you found you could get people to go when it was free? The seminar should be you telling your target market what they need to do to get results.

                However, if they want to know how to get those results, they have to buy your product.

                Second, I use cold-calling in my business but I don't make the calls. I provide the leads and outsource the calls. When they get a lead, they tell me and I do the closing. This is sometimes called fronting and it's worked quite well for me.

                Hope this helps!
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                • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
                  Originally Posted by High Horsepower View Post

                  I could give you many reasons why you WANT to charge money.

                  1. It rids you of the timewasters and tirekickers.

                  2. You have their business info up front, you can do market research up front and use it at your seminar. Have a Hotseat and pick a member from the audience to give an analysis of their niche. You have already done the Research on them and their Competition, you look like the expert. Instant Credibility.

                  3. You normally need to tell the Hotel how many people will be attending to plan coffee, drinks, food, amount of tables, chairs, etc... It's a SCIENCE to do a great seminar. I've done many.

                  4. You can plan how many manuals, packets or giveaways you'll need upfront.

                  With Free seminars you have way Higher cancellations, no shows, etc... sometimes Free is good, but mostly bad.

                  PHEW ... I was getting way too many people saying do it free. Thanks for bringing my confidence back in this.
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                  • Profile picture of the author High Horsepower
                    Originally Posted by iamchrisgreen View Post

                    PHEW ... I was getting way too many people saying do it free. Thanks for bringing my confidence back in this.

                    If you want to PM your Skype name I'll add you to my contacts. I've done many Seminars, purchased programs that cost me thousand of dollars on how to do great seminars. I've been taught by some of the best.

                    I can give you 10-15 minutes today if you want to chat.

                    Richard
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                    • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
                      Originally Posted by High Horsepower View Post

                      If you want to PM your Skype name I'll add you to my contacts. I've done many Seminars, purchased programs that cost me thousand of dollars on how to do great seminars. I've been taught by some of the best.

                      I can give you 10-15 minutes today if you want to chat.

                      Richard
                      Did you get my skype mate?
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                • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
                  Originally Posted by High Horsepower View Post

                  I could give you many reasons why you WANT to charge money.

                  1. It rids you of the timewasters and tirekickers.

                  2. You have their business info up front, you can do market research up front and use it at your seminar. Have a Hotseat and pick a member from the audience to give an analysis of their niche. You have already done the Research on them and their Competition, you look like the expert. Instant Credibility.

                  3. You normally need to tell the Hotel how many people will be attending to plan coffee, drinks, food, amount of tables, chairs, etc... It's a SCIENCE to do a great seminar. I've done many.

                  4. You can plan how many manuals, packets or giveaways you'll need upfront.

                  With Free seminars you have way Higher cancellations, no shows, etc... sometimes Free is good, but mostly bad.
                  You have point, but you're not absolutely right.

                  No-one is saying he shouldn't charge. The thing is he is introducing a new product - a paid seminar.

                  He has another product, which is making a profit.

                  Now, he may choose to kill the old product entirely, even though in his case it might not be the best idea.

                  You don't just jump on a wagon - it's OK to move to a new product BUT you must plan ahead of time.

                  And, you must spend some dough. You need a budget. You need to be on top of your game, to fill your first paid seminar, and thereafter.

                  Now, we can go into how you can make money without money, etc. and we'll only waste electrons.

                  The OP seems not to have planned this ahead of time. Plus, we all know 60 cold calls doesn't even start the game.

                  Yes, he can charge. Can you look the OP in the eye and say he will fill 50 seats by calling 60 people a day?

                  Or, what if he used the cold calls to build his list? And later hit them with the seminar? You think it might work better?

                  What about his old clients? Would they be interested?

                  Of course, he should create a paid seminar and sell tickets. But then, he needs to plan for it.

                  Every method has it's downsides. So, once again, it comes down to the OP's business model.

                  You also forgetting something else. What credibility does he have, in the eyes of the people he calls, to give him more than 60 seconds of their time, let alone 50 quid?
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          • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
            Originally Posted by iamchrisgreen View Post

            Thanks for your input.

            I would much rather be calling people that have been warmed up or show an interest.

            What would you do to get more people to the seminars. Bear in mind that the seminars are really a time to pitch our offering.

            Cheers

            Chris
            Zach virtually took words out of my mouth.

            You see, I've been in your shoes, so it seems I know what you're going through.

            It's good to have people paying because then they are better qualified to buy, but...

            One of the first things I ask my clients is "What's working well for you right now?". You want to keep doing that!

            Then you work on an alternative solution.

            I have a feeling that the root of the issue is from your business model. You don't seem to have a well defined system for marketing your services.

            So you have to face that reality.

            Then, you haven't put yourself in your customer's shoes.

            I'm sure you get dudes calling you up as well. Why should you trust some dude you don't know from Adam?

            Let's say they are interested. They can't just give you £50!

            At best, they can go to your website first, to
            - immediately find out more,
            -see testimonials,
            -highlights from past events (including videos of happy local business owners)
            - or can they?

            Let's say they can. But they can't because, they are on the way to a meeting. Or the cat is pulling their leg for some milk.

            Or whatever distraction there is.

            You ask what I would do...

            Honestly, I made the same mistake you did - it was my biggest business failure.

            Now, I'm setting things up completely differently, but I had to redefine everything.

            For now, don't destroy what's working.

            P.S. Take a break and read Robert Ringer's "To Be Or Not To Be Intimidated". You'll find a lot of answers to your questions.
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          • Profile picture of the author omurchu
            Originally Posted by iamchrisgreen View Post




            What would you do to get more people to the seminars.



            Chris
            Chris:

            how about contacting your CoC or enterprise board? They will be looking to help business in this economy so should be willing to get you a venue and email their list of members - more business owners for you to "educate".

            Frank
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            • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
              Originally Posted by omurchu View Post

              Chris:

              how about contacting your CoC or enterprise board? They will be looking to help business in this economy so should be willing to get you a venue and email their list of members - more business owners for you to "educate".

              Frank

              They wanted to charge me £500 and they also only get a few people coming to their events.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amanda Murdoch
    hey, good luck with your arduous task _ I used to run and script call centres -
    What is your script like?
    Are you grabbing their attention in an immediate way?

    ie - Hi xyz, I'm just calling you up to let you know you have a couple of spaces left on the increase your web traffic seminar this week -
    or
    I know you subscribe to my list because you want to increase your traffic right?
    Well I have just two spaces left ...
    or
    If someone were to give you some (free information) that would increase your profits / traffic / business / sales - would you clear an hour in your busy schedule to hear the info? Great - well, I know you are busy now, but all I need is (whatever details you want and I'll send you the info), then I'll call you back tomorrow to ( whatever you want to do)
    Or
    gat their email - go to fiverr - get a funny video ade and send it to them - then follow up with call ...
    ideas are endless - but I'd need to know more of your objectives
    Good luck - all the best
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  • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
    Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

    Zach virtually took words out of my mouth.

    You see, I've been in your shoes, so it seems I know what you're going through.

    It's good to have people paying because then they are better qualified to buy, but...

    One of the first things I ask my clients is "What's working well for you right now?". You want to keep doing that!

    Then you work on an alternative solution.

    I have a feeling that the root of the issue is from your business model. You don't seem to have a well defined system for marketing your services.

    So you have to face that reality.

    Then, you haven't put yourself in your customer's shoes.

    I'm sure you get dudes calling you up as well. Why should you trust some dude you don't know from Adam?

    Let's say they are interested. They can't just give you £50!

    At best, they can go to your website first, to
    - immediately find out more,
    -see testimonials,
    -highlights from past events (including videos of happy local business owners)
    - or can they?

    Let's say they can. But they can't because, they are on the way to a meeting. Or the cat is pulling their leg for some milk.

    Or whatever distraction there is.

    You ask what I would do...

    Honestly, I made the same mistake you did - it was my biggest business failure.

    Now, I'm setting things up completely differently, but I had to redefine everything.

    For now, don't destroy what's working.

    P.S. Take a break and read Robert Ringer's "To Be Or Not To Be Intimidated". You'll find a lot of answers to your questions.
    This is a really interesting observation.

    My marketing system isn't fully systemised. I couldn't pass it to someone to run for me as it is...

    I try a LOT of stuff (well, it feels like a lot) and it seems to work. For example, I get a lot of people from networking on LinkedIn coming to the events. I send out flyers that bring people to the event. I have a few strategic partners that refer people to the seminars.

    We do well, we have a nice amount of clients, but it's now taking it to the next level that I need.
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    • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
      Originally Posted by iamchrisgreen View Post

      ...

      We do well, we have a nice amount of clients, but it's now taking it to the next level that I need.
      That's why you need a system. Otherwise, you'll constantly be all over the place.

      Anyway, I'm going to check out your LinkedIn eBook, on your site.
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      • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
        Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

        That's why you need a system. Otherwise, you'll constantly be all over the place.

        Anyway, I'm going to check out your LinkedIn eBook, on your site.
        Can I connect to you on skype for a quick chat?
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  • Profile picture of the author jaredblake
    You'll never run into more liars than when you're cold calling. There are 3 major roadblocks that you run into when you're trying to make the sale.

    1. Initial Sales Resistance.
    Sounds like: "We're not interested", "Send me some information", "Call me after the holidays","We already have somebody that takes care of that for us"

    2. Stalling for time
    Sounds like: "Let me think about it", "I need to talk to my partner", "Let me shop around", etc.

    3. Trust issues.
    Sounds like: "I forgot my wallet at home", "I don't give out my credit card information over the phone", etc.

    Just remember that all of these are simply excuses that are born out of the fear of making a bad decision. You can handle these with a combination of building rapport, establishing credibility, and building curiosity by alluding to the benefits of your product before you go into your pitch.

    The average small business owner gets cold called multiple times a day, so chances are that they're more skilled at this game than you are. Luckily, cold calling is the quickest, cheapest way to make sales and gain new clients, and you will find some people who are looking for your services.
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    • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
      Originally Posted by jaredblake View Post

      You'll never run into more liars than when you're cold calling. There are 3 major roadblocks that you run into when you're trying to make the sale.

      1. Initial Sales Resistance.
      Sounds like: "We're not interested", "Send me some information", "Call me after the holidays","We already have somebody that takes care of that for us"

      2. Stalling for time
      Sounds like: "Let me think about it", "I need to talk to my partner", "Let me shop around", etc.

      3. Trust issues.
      Sounds like: "I forgot my wallet at home", "I don't give out my credit card information over the phone", etc.

      Just remember that all of these are simply excuses that are born out of the fear of making a bad decision. You can handle these with a combination of building rapport, establishing credibility, and building curiosity by alluding to the benefits of your product before you go into your pitch.

      The average small business owner gets cold called multiple times a day, so chances are that they're more skilled at this game than you are. Luckily, cold calling is the quickest, cheapest way to make sales and gain new clients, and you will find some people who are looking for your services.
      Really well put.

      How successful has your cold calling been? What do you say to people when you call?
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  • Profile picture of the author ResearchDiva
    Hey Chris - cold calls are tough!

    Here's a few suggestions:

    Have someplace online for them to go to. I would suggest a killer Video Sales Page that gives them enough information to pique interest, and leave them wanting for more.

    Follow up every call with a postcard in the mail - or an email - or both with the information again.

    If they say that they want more information - ask them what kind of information they would be interested in...this will help you with the content for your seminar.

    If you find the same 10 questions coming up (of if you already know the most commonly asked questions) put that content together in a PDF that they go to the video sales page (mentioned earlier) and can receive.

    When you cold call - they don't know you from the next guy - you have to close that "trust" gap...and you don't have very long to do it!

    I highly recommend James Wedmore - his site is JamesWedmore dot com. He is "the" Video Sales Copy Pro and offers webinars on the subject and lots of free informaiton that you can get from his site. He's the real deal - no Oz hiding behind the curtain!

    Also - you may consider a webinar rather than a seminar...if people are crunched for time that could be a good alternative - you have to meet your customer where they are at, and then bring them to where you want them to be. If what you have it what they really need, and you do a good job of marketing, then everything will click.

    Hope that helps - Dawn
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    • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
      Originally Posted by ResearchDiva View Post

      Hey Chris - cold calls are tough!

      Here's a few suggestions:

      Have someplace online for them to go to....
      Hope that helps - Dawn
      YourResearchDiva
      Yeah, that's some good stuff. If you gotta do it, do it right!
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