Launched my offline biz last week here's what I got so far.

by P1
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I personally went to 15 businesses and dropped off flyers: 0 calls or emails

Went to some shops where business owners would go and asked owner to refer me for a cut: 1 mayor of a city contacted me but never returned my calls after.

Went on Craigslist and set 50 emails to people wanting web design done one responded but didn't want to pay 50% up front.

Today I did Craigslist and emailed some local businesses.

Does my response back seem low or normal?
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  • Profile picture of the author driven247
    Response is normal with no follow ups.

    Dropping off flyers is great if you follow up with a phone call in a day or 2.

    When you drop off flyers make sure you get the name of the business owner or person that handles their marketing. That way you can ask for them by name when you call. Rarely will a gate keeper question you when you have a name to ask for. And if they ask you what it's about simply say it's about their website or whatever your service is.

    If you drop off 15 flyers a day and make the follow up calls you will make sales every week.

    Hope that helps.

    Also don't get too hung up on someone not responding to your call backs. People get busy. If you think there is potential there continue to follow up. If it goes on roll back you calling to once a week then once a month then just try and get ahold of them once every 3 months. Don't stop calling until they tell you no. Not calling you back is not a no.

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  • Profile picture of the author P1
    driven247, great advice!

    Seems like I was just expecting them to see the flyer and come to me but its more I have to chase them.

    I will definitely start doing this from now on.

    Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    First, you should be proud you went out and did things...that's a big deal!

    As far as responses, you did or didn't get, my reply is: It depends, It depends, it all depends..

    What did the flyer say? How well was it put together? What kind of businesses did you drop it at? What did the Craigslist email say? what time of day? who saw the flyers? ...all these things affect response.

    I'll tell you, in general, lead generation is about TESTING.
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    • Profile picture of the author P1
      Originally Posted by brucerby View Post

      First, you should be proud you went out and did things...that's a big deal!

      As far as responses, you did or didn't get, my reply is: It depends, It depends, it all depends..

      What did the flyer say? How well was it put together? What kind of businesses did you drop it at? What did the Craigslist email say? what time of day? who saw the flyers? ...all these things affect response.

      I'll tell you, in general, lead generation is about TESTING.
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      Bruce
      What did the flyer say?

      The flyers we just a about what we have to offer web design wise and offering a free mobile website since I just started my business.

      How well was it put together?

      It was put together quite well, I started the benefits of a website and all

      What kind of businesses did you drop it at?

      It was dropped off at local businesses without websites.

      What did the Craigslist email say?

      The Craigslist emails where just to people needing help building their websites etc.

      what time of day? who saw the flyers?


      Time was early afternoon mostly.

      who saw the flyers?

      I left it with the workers since the owners are not usually there.
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    • Profile picture of the author ZachWaldman
      Originally Posted by brucerby View Post

      I'll tell you, in general, lead generation is about TESTING.
      This seems to be the one point you didn't acknowledge in your response, but Bruce is making a very important one here.

      By the way, not only is lead generation about testing, but everything we do as direct marketers is about testing.

      This is the thing that separates the marketers doing well from the ones that can't seem to get off the ground.

      For instance, most people will throw up a sales letter, or in your case, make a flyer, use it, and call it a day.

      On the other hand, somebody that understands the importance of testing would make two sets of flyers with different headlines, and he would track which set of flyers got a better response.

      Once he knows that one is working better, that becomes the control. He will then try to beat the better performing flyer by testing something else, like the color.

      Remember to only test one element at a time. Otherwise, you won't know which change made the flyer perform better.

      Successful marketers spend much of their time testing and tweaking whereas most people just do something once and that's the end of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author IdeaFool
    I think what you're doing is fantastic. No matter what, you're learning what works and what doesn't. Don't be too quick to give up on any single method. In marketing, we use a term called "The Pipeline." You have to shove a whole lotta marketing and sales tactics in one end of the pipeline before the sales start trickling out the other end.

    I think what driven said is spot on and should be noted.

    Good job, and keep it up. Don't get discouraged and test, test, test!
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  • Profile picture of the author bobbobson
    Congratulations for getting as far as you have done. You've already done more than most people will!

    Zero calls from 15 flyer drops is not unusual. In the early days, exploiting your network is crucial. Who do you know who has friends/relatives who could benefit from your services? You need that third party testimonial that you get from an introduction.
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  • Profile picture of the author Casper C
    Well, I mean no disrespect but 15 flyers is a very tiny amount of advertising. 50 emails is small too. Even my smallest test adverts have been a lot more than that. Instead, try 150 businesses to start with... and follow-up with phone calls after a few days.

    Hopefully you will find your ground and get an idea of how many businesses you can turn into clients.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    One question: how do they know you? Any previous work to show up your skills? Any recommendations?

    Hint: You need that part of the game to cutshort your way through.
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    • Profile picture of the author bobbobson
      Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

      One question: how do they know you? Any previous work to show up your skills? Any recommendations?

      Hint: You need that part of the game to cutshort your way through.
      Very true. Testimonials are worth their weight in gold in this industry!
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  • Profile picture of the author MWGrubb58
    Bravo on getting your name out there! You are off to a good start!

    One thing to think about... You are going after business owners who don't know you or your services... They are going to have to make a judgement about you simply by looking at your flyer or email. In this case, conversions can be pretty small because you are hoping to find someone, anyone, who is ready to hire you. You CAN find someone with this method, but it is SLOW and you get a lot of wasted effort.

    Have you thought about making a list of everyone who KNOWS you, likes you, trusts you, and saying," I am going into a new phase of my business and wondering if you knew anyone who is interested in mobile marketing or website design?"

    Additionally, take out your checkbook.... Who do you write checks for on an ongoing basis? (No, not the water company) If you go to a certain butcher or bakery or hair salon, then these owners already know you and more importantly, you spend money with them.... ask these folks if they need your services. You'll find a much more friendly crowd with these people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    Originally Posted by P1 View Post

    I personally went to 15 businesses and dropped off flyers: 0 calls or emails
    This was a complete waste of your time. If you took the time to walk in you should have just asked to speak with the owner on the spot. How long did it take you to walk into 15 businesses?

    Assuming you did not drive all over town, ( which would be another waste of time) to do this and just went down the street it couldn't have taken you more then an hour at most to just drop off a flyer.

    If you take the time to walk into a business you might as well do all you can while your there to try and pitch the owner.
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  • Profile picture of the author GalenaEd
    Originally Posted by P1 View Post

    I personally went to 15 businesses and dropped off flyers: 0 calls or emails

    Went to some shops where business owners would go and asked owner to refer me for a cut: 1 mayor of a city contacted me but never returned my calls after.

    Went on Craigslist and set 50 emails to people wanting web design done one responded but didn't want to pay 50% up front.

    Today I did Craigslist and emailed some local businesses.

    Does my response back seem low or normal?
    Congratulations on doing Something. Many don't. There is a good possibility that the business owner never saw the flyer. One thing I did in my days of business brokerage, I would put a flyer in an envelope, marked "to the owner", put under the door, after closing hours. In most instances, the owner opens the door in the morning and will at least see it. I got great results and many listings. Try it. Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author P1
      Originally Posted by GalenaEd View Post

      Congratulations on doing Something. Many don't. There is a good possibility that the business owner never saw the flyer. One thing I did in my days of business brokerage, I would put a flyer in an envelope, marked "to the owner", put under the door, after closing hours. In most instances, the owner opens the door in the morning and will at least see it. I got great results and many listings. Try it. Good luck.
      I talked to a few biz owners but most aren't there so I leave it with a manager or worker.

      I will keep your tips in mind.
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      • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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        I'm sorry P1....I give you an "A" for ACTION". At least you made an "ATTEMPT at DOING SOMETHING!.....but.....going down the street and dropping off flyers" was a TOTAL WASTE...in Time and Money!

        You could've received the same results by going to Mickie D's (what my granddaughters call McDonald's)....buy and enjoy a burger, coke & fries and....when picking up the "refuse" to toss into the garbage after your meal....include your flyers!

        Excuse my "frankness" but....nowadays (even the "Old" days")....ya gotsta, "Grab Em by the throat....Turn em upside down and shake em untill cash falls outa their pockets!"

        When I first read the "Cavanaugh Guy's"..."OffLine Report" where he says, "Go into a business...start up a conversation....ask dee owner How Long dey ben dere....what have dey ben doin' to git biz...etc!"

        GIVE ME A COTTON PICKIN' BREAK!

        When I read this stuff...."go in an start up a conversation" or....go in da restaurant an sit down an order sumpin"...den...when da owner comes over an sees dat YOU is an actual customer...he's gonna sit down an Pay Attention to your Sales Pitch!" Yeah! Right!

        Holy Schamoly! GET REAL! I'm SORRY folks...but this "Garble" is only used to "SELL YOU ON BUYIN' DERE STUFF!"

        When I read this "Crapola" (my opinion) I want to firstly...run to the potty and toss up my lunch....and 2ndly .....it makes me feel good that....NOT ONE of the people who go out and TRY (as YOU have) what they suggest...is gonna sell anything!....meaning....if the "Basic Idea" they espouse is good....and I'D like to give it a try....I KNOW FOR SURE THAT I WILL HAVE NO COMPETITION....because I KNOW HOW TO "GET THE ORDERS" and it ain't by goin' into a biz an doin' what they say to do!

        But...3rdly...it makes me SAD...that so many people have been "Bamboozled" into giving this "How To Sell Crap" a try!

        So....with MY Opinions known....I will now....since I've been so critical....give you a system that has worked for ME over MANY YEARS of Successful Selling.

        1) I call it "PRE-Conditioned Controlled Mailing - I sit down at my phone with a List of "Suspects" (they aren't "Prospects" yet) I phone and tell them; "Hi Mr Jones....My Name is ______. I'm in the "...." business. I can do the follwing for you (benefits)______ _______however, it's too hard to explain on the phone so...if you will give me your Mailing Address....I will send you my "Info Pack"!

        So....I thank him for his time....and send him my "Flyer" or whatever "Info" I have that gives more Benefits....with MY Name on the stuff.

        I then phone him AGAIN (this is the 3rd Time he has seen or heard MY NAME)....I assume he's received my stuff...and I go into the Benfits of what I can do for him....and "Sell The Appointment!"

        2) I mail a Card or Run an Ad or place a SIGN in businesses where they will be seen....that says;
        "FREE Recorded Message Reveals ______(Big Benefit) Dial 555-1234 ex: 123 anytime"
        ("Suspects" are NOT ready to buy...yet. I'm looking for PROSPECTS. These are people who phone the number...listen to my 2-Min recording of my "Sales/Benefits" and WHY....they should leave their "Phone # or Mailing Address" to receive more info.

        Those who leave their Info...are GOOD prospects (NOT Suspects! They have 'Raised their Hands, indicating THEY ARE INTERESTED in what I can give them!)

        Actually...the project I'm working on now has to do with making "Mobile Websites for businesses. I place signs where "Business Owners will SEE them! And....my "Signs" make an Offer of "FREE Mobile Website MockUp of your website"! Those who respond are....Prospects....not Suspects! (Your "Job" as a Sales Person is to separate the Prospects from the Suspects!)

        I also PHONE biz owners offering "FREE Mobile Website MockUp of their site)

        So....P1....maybe I have given you some "food for thought" and some Ideas.....so the next time you try to "Find Prospects" from the "Suspects"...you'll get a better response and not just toss your time and money...into the garbage basket.

        Don Alm....Sales Guy who has "Paid His Dues"
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  • Profile picture of the author drmfitz
    one thing is for sure-you are in the right place! what i mean is, by going to small business owners for whatever product/service you are selling is a wise choice. in the late 90's, more than broke, (had to make $200K just to get broke, that did not include a house) i would go into the yellow pages and leave messages on the phones of the doctors and business owners i was seeking. i think the only difference between myself who made over 7 figures in that venture, and those who made less or nothing, was about 10,000 phone calls. btw, that IS the shortcut to making money offline, make a quick ten thousand phone calls and you will get good at it, not waste a bunch of time talking, learn to "sort, not sell", and the money will show up big time when you believe in what you are promoting and who you are as a leader.

    take a more assertive approach. business owners will make a quick decision for you, my mentor used to say often, "it is better to get a quick no, than a low no". your results are typical as you have not completed the sale process yet. come up with a "buying process" you want to put your future clients on, and stay off theirs. conquer your fears of asking for the sale too. if you are just putting out info, then start leaving post it notes with recorded calls or website everywhere you go. Dr. Mike
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