What ever happened to "AP"

I don't know, sometimes people come and post then get busy and stay away.

Lets also add to this list, that renegade seo dude who's site was full of nothing but affiliate links from which he hoped to make money on from unsuspecting forum members. He didn't really have anything real he was offering in the forum anyways.

In short: He put out a much-hyped WSO ($297) and didn't fully deliver. He made off with, I'd say, $60k.

I got my WF account banned because I called him out in his WSO thread. He was selling the WSO based on the very business model he was looking to get out of (it being such a "headache" and other ways were simpler). He was pushing this method here on WF, but singing a different tune on another forum. I questioned the contradictions and why he was doing this, but he never answered. However, quite a few of his loyalists didn't believe me and the bashing ensued.

Gotta say, "I told ya so."

I'm sure he's still on the WF, just under a different name.

~Dexx

ok so who is AP?

I understood the initials 'AP' was "Andrew Patrick" "something"....and he was actually a former plumbing contractor, in western suburbs of Chicago.
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Bruce

Its sad what he did..... However, his posts changed the way I operated my business and improved my mindset and profits!

.... P.S..... He probably is around here lurking around and laughing at this thread.

It's funny as how I'm with a few other good folks on here that are not mad at him because what he did deliver was amazing. The (free) advice in the gigantic thread alone is VERY valuable IMO.

AP rocks and inspires me to succeed.

I think he is hanging out with Evie (local) and devising plans to rule the world (insert evil laugh here) after they scale their business to 5.2 trillion.

That was mean. Sorry.

I'm highly suspicious of TWO people on this forum. One person is always posting crazy threads with ridiculous made up income claims. This person was banned in the past but now they are back. I don't understand why the moderators let him come back.

The second person is like his mini-me or something.

Okay, got that off my chest - sort of. Back to eating my tortillas.

And for those who didn't know... I believe AP and MacFreddie (also banned) were the same person.

I'm surprised people took him seriously when said he landed a $1,000,000/yr groos income customer on a $30,000 a year package.

As someone pointed out in that thread $100,000 is 10% which would be a good profit margin. Many businesses make less than that. As a guy on the other side I could smell the BS.

He says he went after high margin businesses but still I doubt the $1,000,000 was getting above $250k in profit. And likely a lot less. He would have to be delivery crazy results for me to consider it. Though it does sound like some of these businesses he claims to be working with needed some people.

I mean having a real person answer the phone is an easy though expensive thing to suggest as it likely means a new employee or two for the company.

Overall I can't say his numbers are not possible but some of them seem silly. I guess being on the other side(ie the manager you would be pitching to) I see this more than a lot of others do since I am used to dealing with the number side of a business.

Of course I have never been in the medical field so maybe they do have crazy margins but medical is labor intensive and anything labor intensive sucks up profits in my experience. I just can't imagine that guys who bring in 1 to 4 million gross(which isn't really hard) would be willing to pay a guy $30 to $60k a year for a consultant.

He, along with a few others in the offline forum, are complete BS artists.

In fact, it's that level of BS-artistry, and the steady demand for such, that sufficiently annoys me to the point of wanting to spend my forum time elsewhere (LinkedIn groups for example).

Say what you will.....

That thread with Dexx and AP changed my life... My yearly profits more than doubled..... He may have been a B.S'er but the content in that thread and gems shared by AP were top notch....

Too bad he went to the Dark side.

He had a sex change operation and started going as 'Evie'. Dude/dudette could pull down some major business though. Those were great times.

Feel the pain too! "If you can't say amen, say ouch!" as a close friend would say. I keep telling myself that I need to make better use of LinkedIn. I have been searching for forums that discuss marketing beyond internet marketing and having no such luck.

I have to agree with this. That thread changed my life in so many positive ways. Yea, his number were sometimes over the top and he contradicted himself, but the core information was solid. And it led me to "true" experts, especially Jay Abraham and the HMA system.

Yes, I'm definitely interested! PM on it's way.

AP and Evie the same?
Maybe not the same person, certainly the same mindset. "Evie" or (Local)'s storyline on her success had me hook line and sinker on a WSO thread back last winter.

Then she was called out a month ago and it made sense when you look back upon her claims.

When she went from 10 clients to setting up offices around the US within a couple of months... that's when the train derailed for me.

I do remember the AP thread and I like many were sucked into what he was preaching. I do know that to post the information he did, he must have had some experience with Jay Abraham's stuff, and some others. Not to say you couldn't learn from the thread, but the numbers he put up were questionable at best.

I do remember that the thread went on for pages and pages, which goes to show you that even the most popular threads on the WF should be taken with a grain of salt. Once you go out and test the waters yourself, you will probably soon learn that much of what is listed here as "easy" is anything but that. That goes for many WSO claims too.

I guess the moral of the story is to learn from others, pick their brains for sure, but ultimately it will be up to each individual to decide whether or not a strategy or tactic is worthwhile and profitable for them.

I go with a simple rule of thumb: do 10X the amount of effort that any reasonable person would expect to make to achieve results, and if that fails, move onto another strategy.