More Cold Calling Advice... From a... NOOB!?!

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Hello fellow Warriors,

Let me start by saying I quit my job a few months ago because I was so convinced that I would easily just pick up the phone the following morning and start banging out phone calls until I had some clients!

Well, I was wrong because I was sooo scared to make phone calls - I`d sit in a room with a phone and no TV for hours just trying to psyche myself up for a phone call...

If somebody put a gun and a phone in front of me - and told me to put one to my ear.. I`m not even sure which one I would have picked

This trend continued from August 1st, 2011 - October 4th, 2011. Yep, I finally bit the bullet and started making phone calls today.

So, what happened?

I think a few things kind of just clicked at the same time.

First, putting things into perspective - can you believe there are people signing up to go fight in a war in the Middle East - yet you're too scared to pick up a phone and talk to somebody?!?!

Secondly, I think a lot of people are hung up on selling things right over the phone - simply because you only have a very short time on the phone and you're expected to spew all this information over your prospect and hope to sway them.. when you already know they're pretty much waiting to say NO anyways...

The solution? Try coming at these people with a different approach.. don't sell them over the phone - find out a reason to meet with them, there's a thread on here where a guy just called up businesses and said he was building a website profiling local companies on how they're doing in the current economy.

This is what worked for me.. I picked up the phone today and started calling companies - telling them I was creating an online directory and to get the ball rolling I would be offering free life-time listings to the first 25 companies...

The beautiful part of this method is that you don't even have to worry about the gatekeeper. Whoever picked up the phone I just started tellin' em what I was doing - and they'd pass me right over to the boss!!

Honestly with this method - you have so much confidence since you're giving something so valuable for free - you can just laugh (on the inside) at the people that reject your offer. A guy told me today that advertising doesn't benefit his type of business... despite the fact there are over 100 local searches for his services on a monthly basis.. These are the people we are scared of getting on the phone??!?!?

So what type of success did I have today?? My first day of not being a wank and hiding in the depths wondering when I'll finally take the plunge??

I landed two meetings on 16 phone calls...

Could you stand to make 16 phone calls a day?? It's so friggen laughable that this is something I've been scared of for the past two months!!

I know I am no expert in this area since today was my first day - but maybe this will help the guys that are still in their heads about calling.

For some reason when you read about a seasoned veteran talking about cold calling you often think they have some sort of edge over you... hopefully my noob status in this arena will give confidence to others.

Lastly, let me say how much more confident I feel after just 16 phone calls - by next week I'll have no qualms about walking into businesses.. the only thing holding me back right now is that I'd like to refine my approach a little bit first!!
#advice #calling #cold #noob
  • Profile picture of the author wally247
    Thank you for this post!

    I am sitting here freaking out because very, very soon, I will have to start making calls and I don't want to. No matter how many cool ideas I try, and how many WSO's I buy that are supposed to teach me how to get a billion clients without cold-calling, they just don't work.

    I like your approach, and I thank you for writing it out because I needed some motivation today to pick up the phone.

    Cheers,

    w

    Edit: Do you have the link to the post you referred to? I am searching with no luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author wilder1047
      Originally Posted by wally247 View Post

      Thank you for this post!

      I am sitting here freaking out because very, very soon, I will have to start making calls and I don't want to. No matter how many cool ideas I try, and how many WSO's I buy that are supposed to teach me how to get a billion clients without cold-calling, they just don't work.

      I like your approach, and I thank you for writing it out because I needed some motivation today to pick up the phone.

      Cheers,

      w

      Edit: Do you have the link to the post you referred to? I am searching with no luck.
      Don't be.. just jump in.. What do you have to lose?!?!

      Here's the link to that other thread - > http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...st-3years.html


      Thanks for the replies guys. I love the story about the football player. It just shows you how much of it is mental - it's the anticipation of the unknown that kills you.. so make it known and you'll have no problem!!
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  • Profile picture of the author P1
    Great advice.

    I was exactly the same way but I go out but it is very discouraging to get rejected and not called back so you start to not do it as much.

    But I agree you need to change your mindset and say "hey, I'm doing these people a service that is going to benefit them way more" that's what I think at least when heading out.

    Originally Posted by wally247 View Post

    Thank you for this post!

    I am sitting here freaking out because very, very soon, I will have to start making calls and I don't want to. No matter how many cool ideas I try, and how many WSO's I buy that are supposed to teach me how to get a billion clients without cold-calling, they just don't work.

    I like your approach, and I thank you for writing it out because I needed some motivation today to pick up the phone.

    Cheers,

    w
    I cold call for referrals and I can get a lot on board (yes it's different) but it is all how you phrase stuff. You also must know everything you are talking about so if they ask you about it you don't sound dumb.

    Confidence and not studdering help extremely so you should practice your pitch and any replies you think they will throw at you.

    No WSO is going to help sadly they are great for getting new idea but your pitch is all up to how confident you are in your service at the end of the day the business owners or anyone can hear it in your voice.
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  • Good Job. and brave of you to post this.

    Have you noticed the more you say the same thing on your calls the stronger your conviction and confidence gets? getting Smoothhhh!?

    speaking of bravery, if you like football. here is a true story.

    Insurance industry. Agents had to pick up the phone and make calls. most failed.

    1 guy was a professional cornerback (will never mention the name).
    retired and got into selling insurance.

    the day came for him to get on the phone and all he could do was stare at his desk, in total fear.

    the manager was amazed.

    a big guy, taking big hits, pounding people on the field....but could not pick up a phone and talk.

    The hardest hit was in his mind. He couldn't do it.

    You Can.
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  • Profile picture of the author AngryBird141
    Hey, great thread. I used to have the same fear when I was starting out in sales and marketing but I've gotten over it after a weeks. You just have to face your fears and keep doing it until it becomes as natural as talking to a friend.
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  • Profile picture of the author dtaylor
    Way to go! I love hearing stories like this.

    DTaylor
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  • Profile picture of the author Deidra Renee
    Thank you for this thread..I just started cold calling (with success) with lead generation, but tried giving away websites today and I SUCKED!! lol I stopped after only 10 calls...I laughed when I read you not being able to choose the gun or the phone..after today I would probably pick the gun lol I am going to try again tomorrow and see how it goes.
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    • Profile picture of the author imnumberone28
      NOOB Question
      Your Advice is great, but when you say your gonna offer them free listings on an online directory i dont understand how your able to set the meeting with the business owner. Could you explain that for me?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jordan J Caron
        Originally Posted by imnumberone28 View Post

        NOOB Question
        Your Advice is great, but when you say your gonna offer them free listings on an online directory i dont understand how your able to set the meeting with the business owner. Could you explain that for me?
        I am wondering about this as well. Are you actually creating a directory or is this your technique to get the conversation going with a owner/manager? Myself I wouldn't want to perceive people just to get them talking, doesn't seem very transparent.

        I do however like your mentality though. Don't try to sell over the phone but rather ask them how their business is doing and if they say "slow", ask them they're doing for generating new clients. Sell them once you book a face to face chat.
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        • Profile picture of the author wally247
          Originally Posted by Golf Instruction Guy View Post

          I am wondering about this as well. Are you actually creating a directory or is this your technique to get the conversation going with a owner/manager? Myself I wouldn't want to perceive people just to get them talking, doesn't seem very transparent.

          I do however like your mentality though. Don't try to sell over the phone but rather ask them how their business is doing and if they say "slow", ask them they're doing for generating new clients. Sell them once you book a face to face chat.
          I think maybe he is following a bit of what he found in the thread that he posted above. I can't post it because I'm new here, but it's up there...

          If you haven't read that thread yet, it's really good and there are some things to help you with ideas. I think maybe the idea is to find a reason to start a conversation with the business owners, and the "sale" will come naturally.

          It was also suggested in the link above to maybe do a little something for the business owners for free too to provide value to them (like show them how to optimize their H1 tags...etc).

          Overall, it seems like just really wanting to help people is what gets you in the door, and the rest takes care of itself.

          W
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        • Profile picture of the author wilder1047
          Originally Posted by Golf Instruction Guy View Post

          I am wondering about this as well. Are you actually creating a directory or is this your technique to get the conversation going with a owner/manager? Myself I wouldn't want to perceive people just to get them talking, doesn't seem very transparent.

          I do however like your mentality though. Don't try to sell over the phone but rather ask them how their business is doing and if they say "slow", ask them they're doing for generating new clients. Sell them once you book a face to face chat.
          What I tell them is I am creating an online directory - and that I will be doing around a 100-200 word write up for each company so I need to meet with them for a 15-20 minute interview, where I have around 10 questions to ask them.

          I don't want to give too much away because the real money making idea is from a WSO I bought - which I HIGHLY recommend -> http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...000-weeks.html

          No affiliate link...

          Once I have enough businesses I'm going to create an online directory with a WordPress theme. (there are some really nice ones for $79.00)

          The original idea with the directory was to offer it for free for the first 10-25 businesses - and then start to offer it as a paid service to clients in the future.

          But, considering how amazingly effective it is - I think I might just keep it free, as a foot in the door method.. maybe give some prime advertising spots on the directory for my newest clients for a month.. something to sweeten the deal.

          I wish I could tell you guys more about how to properly utilize these meetings.. but it's all in that WSO I linked to above!!

          BTW - success update: Called two businesses today, and landed 1 meeting...

          Which is one more thing I've learned - before you start cold calling you think since it's a number game you're going to hear 100 "Nos" before a "Yes".. while you might still only land 2 out of 20... one of those 2 might be one of your first calls.. giving you confidence to blast through the rest of your phone calls for that 2nd YES!!
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          • Profile picture of the author Jordan J Caron
            My mis-understanding as I thought you were trying to meet with the clients to consult for them.

            To play devils advocate, if you were to charge for placement on your directory, what do you offer your clients? I can see a question like "How much traffic does your directory generate?" arising.

            I just read Tom Hopkins "The Art of Selling" and it has a lot of useful tips on adjusting your mindset and adopting a positive outlook when out in the field or on the phone. It's all about action now for me and you've motivated me just to go out and do it!
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  • Profile picture of the author lewistrio2
    Good Post. It's nice to read something from a newbee, and not one of the "self proclaimed" know-it-alls that always post.
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  • Profile picture of the author wilder1047
    Originally Posted by Golf Instruction Guy View Post

    My mis-understanding as I thought you were trying to meet with the clients to consult for them.

    To play devils advocate, if you were to charge for placement on your directory, what do you offer your clients? I can see a question like "How much traffic does your directory generate?" arising.

    I just read Tom Hopkins "The Art of Selling" and it has a lot of useful tips on adjusting your mindset and adopting a positive outlook when out in the field or on the phone. It's all about action now for me and you've motivated me just to go out and do it!
    I'd offer my clients regular services - the directory would be the foot in the door/sweeten the deal method. If the traffic question arises - which won't happen yet simply because it isn't created and I haven't told anybody that it is. I'm still working out the kinks in my head - I think I'll slowly just keep working at it with SEO, social media maybe even some PPC if I start charging for placement as you say. We're marketers - driving traffic is the least of our worries!!

    I just finished another P90X workout it's 1 AM so it's pretty late to be working out, I can only hope that I'll fall asleep now...

    Not sure if you guys have done it or not - but it's a very intense workout that is supposed to transform your body over a 90 day period. I've had this workout DVD for over 2 years and I have yet to go past week 3 - needless to say there hasn't been any transformation whatsoever.

    Well, I've started it again - but this time I'm pacing myself, I'm not throwing myself in the deep end, expecting crazy results and getting discouraged when I don't lose weight or complete more reps than I did the previous week. I've now been at it for about a month and still going strong. In fact the reason I did it so late tonight is because I was so busy today I just didn't have time to squeeze it in - but, I'm in such a zone, such a craving for results I just can't stop.. Because I know if I keep at it - I'm going to be where I want to be.

    I'm quickly starting to realize it's the exact same with cold calling.. DUH!

    First off, we constantly look around for methods to prospect within WSO's hoping there is a magic button that will make it so we won't have to call anybody, or walk into any businesses. Perhaps there's a method in which 100% of our e-mails get opened and all the recipients will come crawling to us begging for our services...

    Very similar to working out - so many people are scanning the internet for a pill that will shed that fat away.. the only thing these methods relieve us of is our money...

    Secondly - the true killer of all of our success is playing Devil's advocate, with ourselves. We over analyze everything to the point that we just write it off and look for another tactic that is 'seamless'.

    I have one of my first meetings with a business owner tomorrow, and there's a very good chance I'll be asked some questions that catch me off guard and I lose the prospect..

    But, am I going to find out what these questions are by sitting on Warrior Forum, No.

    Am I going to find out how I react to these questions by sitting on the forum, No.

    Am I going to gain the confidence required to rebuttal any tough questions that come my way by sitting on the forum, No.

    No matter how many people you hear from on the WF that are out there getting it done - you will never know how it really works until you go do it yourself. Simply because the person who posted his/her results on here does not have the same personality you do.. so, how will you guys bring about the same interactions? It's like taking somebodies cold calling script and reading it verbatim - I don't know about you guys but I trip and stumble through it and get so discouraged. Yet it's not even the same type of vocab that I'd normally use so why would I expect it to work for me?! (This is back when I'd make one phone call a month)

    For example, my experience is in hotels - I've been raised in hotels since I was 6 years old. So, if I came on here and started threads every single day for a year on how to run a hotel, would you then be ready to walk into a hotel management position? Nope. You wouldn't really know what's going on until you started answering phones, running around when fuses are blowing, checking in 20 customers at a time, dealing with complaints in the middle of the night. But, you'd certainly catch on very quickly on how you react in those situations and adjust accordingly for how YOU would best deal with it all.

    Same if you were to start a column on how to golf - I could read that every day.. But, it doesn't mean I'd be out there smacking balls on the green after a year of sitting on the couch reading how to do it.

    Just like in anything you gotta start at the bottom and allow true experience be your teacher.

    A few months ago I walked into my very first prospects office - and the meeting went from bad to worse. Going in there I was CONVINCED I'd be walking out with a $1000.00 SEO contract for 3 months up front. Result.. I walked out with no money - with a promise of delivering a 30 second video for $50.00. Not only that, he dissected me to the point he knew my entire situation and that I had no track record for providing results in this industry since I was brand new.

    Over that entire time, I dealt with him so much going back and forth about this bloody video - trying to get payment after he accepted the final version.

    I finally mustered up the strength to walk in their after 3 months of being avoided and spoke with him - got my cheque.. found out he had signed with ANOTHER marketing company in the mean time even though I had provided a great service at a very good rate... as I walked out I told him once he's finished messing around with the other guys to give me a call so we can start getting some real results for his business.. He chuckled and told me to keep in touch.

    That's just confidence that has grown over time from dealing purely with him - it's insane that our skills are in such an infant state that they will grow from the slightest of interaction with business owners.

    Just like your muscles. You work at it and they will grow!!

    So, am I going to fail tomorrow? Absolutely not.

    I might not get anywhere with the prospect - but that's certainly no failure - I've failed everyday for the past 3 months, staring at phones and checking my inbox hoping on a reply.

    I'm just working my muscles. Start at the low end of the rack and keep at it.. soon you'll be able to break down walls!!

    As Tony from P90X says.

    "Get out of your own head, man. Just show up!!"
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    • Profile picture of the author IMguy123
      Originally Posted by wilder1047 View Post

      I'd offer my clients regular services - the directory would be the foot in the door/sweeten the deal method. If the traffic question arises - which won't happen yet simply because it isn't created and I haven't told anybody that it is. I'm still working out the kinks in my head - I think I'll slowly just keep working at it with SEO, social media maybe even some PPC if I start charging for placement as you say. We're marketers - driving traffic is the least of our worries!!

      I just finished another P90X workout it's 1 AM so it's pretty late to be working out, I can only hope that I'll fall asleep now...

      Not sure if you guys have done it or not - but it's a very intense workout that is supposed to transform your body over a 90 day period. I've had this workout DVD for over 2 years and I have yet to go past week 3 - needless to say there hasn't been any transformation whatsoever.

      Well, I've started it again - but this time I'm pacing myself, I'm not throwing myself in the deep end, expecting crazy results and getting discouraged when I don't lose weight or complete more reps than I did the previous week. I've now been at it for about a month and still going strong. In fact the reason I did it so late tonight is because I was so busy today I just didn't have time to squeeze it in - but, I'm in such a zone, such a craving for results I just can't stop.. Because I know if I keep at it - I'm going to be where I want to be.

      I'm quickly starting to realize it's the exact same with cold calling.. DUH!

      First off, we constantly look around for methods to prospect within WSO's hoping there is a magic button that will make it so we won't have to call anybody, or walk into any businesses. Perhaps there's a method in which 100% of our e-mails get opened and all the recipients will come crawling to us begging for our services...

      Very similar to working out - so many people are scanning the internet for a pill that will shed that fat away.. the only thing these methods relieve us of is our money...

      Secondly - the true killer of all of our success is playing Devil's advocate, with ourselves. We over analyze everything to the point that we just write it off and look for another tactic that is 'seamless'.

      I have one of my first meetings with a business owner tomorrow, and there's a very good chance I'll be asked some questions that catch me off guard and I lose the prospect..

      But, am I going to find out what these questions are by sitting on Warrior Forum, No.

      Am I going to find out how I react to these questions by sitting on the forum, No.

      Am I going to gain the confidence required to rebuttal any tough questions that come my way by sitting on the forum, No.

      No matter how many people you hear from on the WF that are out there getting it done - you will never know how it really works until you go do it yourself. Simply because the person who posted his/her results on here does not have the same personality you do.. so, how will you guys bring about the same interactions? It's like taking somebodies cold calling script and reading it verbatim - I don't know about you guys but I trip and stumble through it and get so discouraged. Yet it's not even the same type of vocab that I'd normally use so why would I expect it to work for me?! (This is back when I'd make one phone call a month)

      For example, my experience is in hotels - I've been raised in hotels since I was 6 years old. So, if I came on here and started threads every single day for a year on how to run a hotel, would you then be ready to walk into a hotel management position? Nope. You wouldn't really know what's going on until you started answering phones, running around when fuses are blowing, checking in 20 customers at a time, dealing with complaints in the middle of the night. But, you'd certainly catch on very quickly on how you react in those situations and adjust accordingly for how YOU would best deal with it all.

      Same if you were to start a column on how to golf - I could read that every day.. But, it doesn't mean I'd be out there smacking balls on the green after a year of sitting on the couch reading how to do it.

      Just like in anything you gotta start at the bottom and allow true experience be your teacher.

      A few months ago I walked into my very first prospects office - and the meeting went from bad to worse. Going in there I was CONVINCED I'd be walking out with a $1000.00 SEO contract for 3 months up front. Result.. I walked out with no money - with a promise of delivering a 30 second video for $50.00. Not only that, he dissected me to the point he knew my entire situation and that I had no track record for providing results in this industry since I was brand new.

      Over that entire time, I dealt with him so much going back and forth about this bloody video - trying to get payment after he accepted the final version.

      I finally mustered up the strength to walk in their after 3 months of being avoided and spoke with him - got my cheque.. found out he had signed with ANOTHER marketing company in the mean time even though I had provided a great service at a very good rate... as I walked out I told him once he's finished messing around with the other guys to give me a call so we can start getting some real results for his business.. He chuckled and told me to keep in touch.

      That's just confidence that has grown over time from dealing purely with him - it's insane that our skills are in such an infant state that they will grow from the slightest of interaction with business owners.

      Just like your muscles. You work at it and they will grow!!

      So, am I going to fail tomorrow? Absolutely not.

      I might not get anywhere with the prospect - but that's certainly no failure - I've failed everyday for the past 3 months, staring at phones and checking my inbox hoping on a reply.

      I'm just working my muscles. Start at the low end of the rack and keep at it.. soon you'll be able to break down walls!!

      As Tony from P90X says.

      "Get out of your own head, man. Just show up!!"

      So how did the meeting go?
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  • Profile picture of the author wilder1047
    BTW Golf Instruction Guy,

    The previous post wasn't directed at you - simply worked off of your to put the post together..

    Thanks,

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author piazorayarevelo
    That's an inspiring post. I can't help but laugh about the gun and phone thing. Congratulations! Keep it up!
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  • Profile picture of the author oogyboogawa
    How are your meetings going so far?
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  • Profile picture of the author wilder1047
    Hey guys,

    So the meetings went semi-decent. I sort of shot myself in the foot by not having business cards - and what I was trying to accomplish with the meeting always ended in a business card request.

    Today was by far my best meeting. I met with a kitchen cabinet company, I asked him the questions about the directory.

    One of my questions I've put in there is "how is most of your business acquired, what type of marketing do you do?" This never raises any flags as to why this matters for a directory listing - 2 out of 4 have said internet marketing.

    Well, today I told the guy - I've actually got an e-book I put together on SEO if you'd be interested I could e-mail it to you.

    And it went from there... he's wanting to leave the current marketing company he is with and have me manage the entire thing -> I've asked what to charge HERE..

    Just so you can get an idea of how well the meeting went!!

    I was getting a little discourage that I wasn't navigating the meeting the way I was hoping to in the first 3 - but today I just bit the bullet and threw something out there.

    The reason I was nervous was simply because I did not want to look like I had an ulterior motive for the meeting. But, I think if you're in there and are generally just being a nice guy and are looking to help them out then nothing you say is going to raise any red flags.

    Good luck guys!!

    I'll let you know how it works out with this guy and anything in the future!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Amy5
      Thank You for this thread wilder1047! Your experience inspires - and hopefully inspires me into real action. I've been wanting to make some prospecting calls/telemarket since the end of July and I'm shocked at how I'll stare at the phone and feel ill and frozen. There's no real reason to be afraid to make a call, but for some reason it's a massive fear. I know there's no chance of succeeding if I don't make some appointments. I guess I fear 2 things (1) getting all the no thanks and (2) what if they say yes and although I've studied tons on WSO's what if I can't deliver. But success isn't for the timid, like you I must find the inner oomph to just make the darn phone calls.

      Thank you for sharing your experience.
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      • Profile picture of the author wilder1047
        Originally Posted by Amy5 View Post

        Thank You for this thread wilder1047! Your experience inspires - and hopefully inspires me into real action. I've been wanting to make some prospecting calls/telemarket since the end of July and I'm shocked at how I'll stare at the phone and feel ill and frozen. There's no real reason to be afraid to make a call, but for some reason it's a massive fear. I know there's no chance of succeeding if I don't make some appointments. I guess I fear 2 things (1) getting all the no thanks and (2) what if they say yes and although I've studied tons on WSO's what if I can't deliver. But success isn't for the timid, like you I must find the inner oomph to just make the darn phone calls.

        Thank you for sharing your experience.
        Thanks Amy,

        Just get out there and do it - remember you're a consultant, you're not going to be doing the labor - you outsource it.

        Aslong as you understand the general concept of what you're selling your going to be fine. It's not like you need to know the inner-workings of a SEO link-wheel (if you do, good on ya!!) to provide benefit to a biz owner!!

        It'd be great if all the noobs that finally took action started posting in this thread.. get it stickied - and have a massive "WF NOOB MOVEMENT!!"
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        • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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          Here's MY "Secret" to "Group" programs;

          Your Directory is a "Group" program where you try to get MANY participants....PAYING.

          My very first "Group" program was selling 12 Ads on a Restaurant Placemat. I made up a Sample to show the restaurant...showed it to him and he accepted (Why not? It was Free to him)

          Then.....I called on my first biz owner and told him I was putting together a Placemat over at X Restaurant and he could have ANY space for X$. And I handed him a Sample Mat with 12 BLANK SPACES on it.

          He rubbed his chin and said...."I'll THINK about it! Get back to me when you have some spaces filled!"

          I then went next door and...same response!

          I then realized that..."No One Likes to be FIRST!"

          So....I ran back to my Home Office and made up 2 Ads...1 for each of the biz owners I had just visited. (I used info from their Yellow Page Ads)

          I then went to another biz...showed him my Mat with 12 spaces and.... with Ads in TWO of the spaces.

          He BOUGHT!

          Same with the next biz. I filled the 10 spots in the next 3 days. THEN, I made up a Sample Mat with 10 Spaces FILLED and 2 blank spots (I removed the 2 spaces I started with)...and...called back on the 2 who had turned me down.

          And....guess what? Yup! The 2 who had turned me down....BOUGHT!

          So....with EVERY "Group" program I've done ever since....I always do something I call...."SALTING"!

          So....with the program you are trying to start....instead of trying to "Sell" prospects with a Free deal....don't "waste your time"....put in some Freebies yourself! Hey! YOU are "In Charge"! YOU can put in anyone you want....for Free!

          It's called "Salting"! So...rather than try to "sell" a bunch of "Freebies", initially...... put them in BEFORE you go out to SELL!

          Use them to help you sell others. Then, when you've got most of your spaces filled....take out the Freebies you had initially and....contact them and....Sell them!

          So...some of you might look upon my "Salting" as being somewhat "UNethical"....but....I remind you of 2 things;
          1) It's VERY easy to sell a "Group" program when some of the spaces are ALREADY FILLED!
          2) It's YOUR business! YOU are the Owner! YOU can decide WHO gets in for Freebies and who doesn't! Thus...in the beginning of any of my "Group" programs....I decide (as owner) to put in 2 or more participants... then...after I've sold most of the spaces....I remove the Freebies that I, as Owner, chose to put in...initially. I...as owner...NOW choose to remove them and see if they'd like to now....PAY to participate!

          When my initial Freebies see ALL the participants....they too...WANT to participate!

          So....sure beats trying to "spend a bunch of time TRYING to Sell participants a FREE space!"

          Don Alm....STILL putting in Freebies
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          • Profile picture of the author Amy5
            Awesome intention to have .... a massive "WF NOOB MOVEMENT!!"

            Updating the thread with Noob experiences of taking action and encouraging others to do so!

            I think I've been going about this the "wrong" way. I've been learning everything about seo, local search, content marketing, social media - the whole thing - studying it for a year because I felt I'd have to do the first few in order to make enough money to pay an outsourcer. Then I feared what if I couldn't find one - or couldn't find a good one. WOW just realized I've had way too many fears going on!

            Are you outsourcing through warriors for hire or elance or from all places
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            • Profile picture of the author wilder1047
              Originally Posted by Amy5 View Post

              Awesome intention to have .... a massive "WF NOOB MOVEMENT!!"

              Updating the thread with Noob experiences of taking action and encouraging others to do so!

              I think I've been going about this the "wrong" way. I've been learning everything about seo, local search, content marketing, social media - the whole thing - studying it for a year because I felt I'd have to do the first few in order to make enough money to pay an outsourcer. Then I feared what if I couldn't find one - or couldn't find a good one. WOW just realized I've had way too many fears going on!

              Are you outsourcing through warriors for hire or elance or from all places
              Google Places I found on Warriors for Hire just last night - but he's only accepting so many people at a time.

              The rest of the sources I have are from the business in a box WSO I linked to above - it's not an affiliate link. I just highly, highly recommend it!!

              Their sources are mixed between Warriors for Hire, Elance and random places on the web.
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  • Profile picture of the author piyushjeswani
    I would like to thank you for sharing your experience. I am very inspired from your thread and starting to think even I can do this.

    Will update with a new thread once I start making calls.

    Thanking you
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    I'm a sales trainer. The most common problem salespeople have is with cold calling, which we also call "prospecting." Here's why that phone weighs 1000 pounds for you:

    1. You don't know how long you're going to have to keep calling people
    2. You don't know what you're going to say and do, what process you'll follow
    3. **You think you have to convert everybody you call into a customer**.

    That third one's a biggee! And it's totally wrong thinking!!

    So you sit there, doing nothing, panicking inside, because you *know* you're going to fail!

    The problem is with the mental equation you set up about cold calling. If your thinking is:

    Premise: Everyone I call must become a customer

    Equation: If everyone I call does not become a customer = I fail

    then you're going to be afraid and miserable, aren't you!

    With prospecting, your approach needs to be to have genuine conversations with people, and find out if they have an urgent need for what you offer. Then, you can schedule a face-to-face appointment (unless they're too far away for that...then you'll have to continue with the sales process).

    Your equation should change to be:

    Premise: I am calling to have genuine conversations to find out if my prospects urgently need what I have to offer

    Equation: Whether I discover the prospect needs what I offer or not = Success

    then you're going to be much more relaxed, aren't you?

    The only failure in this situation is failure to make the calls. Finding out a "No" is not a failure at all! It's feedback, plain and simple.

    For more thoughts about offline sales, check out my blog at kanigan.ca. You'll even find a sample call script there, guaranteed to keep you out of trouble and not annoy anyone if you follow it correctly!
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  • Profile picture of the author asmartbuy
    I am enjoying the input from this thread, on different outlooks about Cold-calling. I personally hate that term, because the name alone puts you in a state of mental fright(subliminally). Technically, if anything Emailing is the cold prospecting. This week, I am really going to dig my heels in warm-contacting. lol. Much Success to everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    @amartbuy: totally agree that "cold calling" is a term that induces a negative emotional reaction. Anyone wanting a different perspective, check out this post!
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  • Profile picture of the author eguinan
    I know it's an old thread, but I just wanted you to know I really enjoyed reading this!

    I could really relate to the pep talk you had to give yourself. I've been in phone sales for 20 years. It was much tougher to get myself motivated and disciplined to make my calls after I struck out on my own.
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  • Profile picture of the author reddemon1204
    Throoe particularly a ,
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  • Profile picture of the author sniger
    thanks OP!
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