First round of cold calls was a fail

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Finished my first round of cold calls and called 20 businesses before I gave up. I am trying to sell mobile marketing solutions. One problem I ran into is that businesses think I am trying to sell them a whole new site not a mobile site.

I think my problem is the fact that I was explaining to much about my services and confusing them. I looked at WarriorBen's script for cold calling and I will try that tomorrow.


What other suggestions do you guys have?

Thanks,
adam
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  • Profile picture of the author David Miller
    Call another 20 businesses! That's the best advice there is. Oh yea....and don't give up!
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  • Profile picture of the author dancorkill
    Talk less about "your services" and more about how you can help them.

    Once you build some TRUST start to ask more probing questions around the problems of not having a mobile site.

    Sounds like you might be trying to explain your solution without establishing trust and what the problem is first.

    Yes I suggest using a proven script and keep hammering away.
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    • Profile picture of the author imnumberone28
      #1 Answer DONT GIVE UP!!!!! KEEP CALLING
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  • Profile picture of the author Seantrepreneur
    Ya it really is a numbers game.

    Having a proven script is really going to help you too. There will be less stumble and fumbles that way.

    Second piece of advice is don't give up because you got 20 nos. Every no is closer to a yes!! What if everyone could close a few sales for every 20 calls they made? Wouldn't that be nice! haha

    But seriously keep at it and its going to feel GREAT the first sale you make!

    Hope that helps

    Sean
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  • Profile picture of the author Voasi
    20 calls? really? That should've only taken like 45min. Do 8 hours of calling and call 4-500 businesses. Then tell us how it went.

    As Sean said above, it's a numbers game. You have to dial through all the No's to get to the Yes's. Make it a game: if you know your numbers, for instance, every 100 calls gets you a Yes, then just keep dialing till you hit your numbers

    Plus, you're only going to get better with time - more confident, more ways to get past gatekeepers, better scripts, more rebuttals, etc... So the longer you stay on the phone, it will have a compounding effect of your success rate.
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    • I am glad you failed.
      it is the way it's done.

      here is a true story :

      When I was selling investments over the phone in the 80's.

      A young, new guy started.

      1st day, 1st calls, got an investment for 100K.
      commissions was appx. 15%

      if it was easy with no failure everybody would be doing it and it would be paying min. wage.

      he lasted 2 weeks and quit.

      failure is good.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Have you checked out my free training (in sig)?

    A typical dial rate is 12 in an hour without stressing.

    No's are good! They are feedback, and the sooner you realize this the better (my videos will help you with this).

    Remember to divide "pay time" from "no-pay time", and do your research in "no-pay time".
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Morris
    perhaps try getting a meeting instead of trying to talk about your product...... you can briefly mention what you do.. but you really want to explain it to them in a meeting...

    You will get a much higher success rate if you are just trying to get the meeting.... and the meetings are easy to close because you can show them a mobile site right in front of them.. and they basically pay for what they see!
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  • Profile picture of the author Amy5
    warrioradam, what script did you use? What did you say?

    I recently purchased the WSO from Josh/drummer05 (his comment is above, and his wso is in his signature) - it's all about cold calling technique and I recommend it - especially if you find yourself trying to sell a solution over the phone instead of getting an appointment.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brendan Vraibel
    20 calls should be your warm up, not your entire effort.

    Practice your pitch until you are saying it in your sleep. Dial 25 or so calls until you start getting in a groove and go from there. Good things will come.

    You need thick skin and persistence to succeed in telemarketing. Best of luck to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Seth Bias
    20 calls is weak. But I will give you props of actually getting out there and calling. There are many people on the forum that can't even get to that step. TAKE ACTION! Everytime you hear a no just keep on pushing till you hear a yes then your morale will boost instantly. Also try to say a little bit about your product and try and get a appointment ..

    example - (after talking about what you do yadda yadda)
    Ok mr (there name) how bout we set up a meeting so I can show you more in person and answer any and all questions you may have. I know your a busy man so I am not going to take up a lot of your phone time. How is monday at 12pm? Or Tuesday at 3pm. Remember to take control and tell them the day and time don't ask them when is a good time tell them when you want to meet and the times.

    Take Action
    Take Control
    SELL

    Hope this helps! Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author cnwoke24
      Im starting tomorrow. the key is to never give up
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  • Profile picture of the author JToneyUK
    At least you've started making calls, it's a great first step. As people have alluded to, you're gonna get many rejections, you just gotta not let them get to you. There will be people out there who want and need your service and you will eventually come across them.

    I am one of those people sbias talks about above. Two weeks ago I looked up local businesses through Google and YellowPages and other advertising avenues and created a list of 40 businesses. Yet I've not even started to call them yet!!

    That's because I'm a worrier and I'm getting the background things set up to be perfect like my website and sorting out business cards etc.

    Anyway, keep on going mate.
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  • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
    Adam,

    How can you give up after only 20 calls?! Like other Warriors have said, It's a numbers game. Make 100 calls per day and see how it goes.

    My sales team makes a few hundred calls per day which generate us enough hot leads to keep our sales pipeline full.

    Stay consistent with your calling and you should start to see results!

    Thanks,
    Ahmad
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    Originally Posted by warrioradam View Post

    I think my problem is the fact that I was explaining to much about my services and confusing them.
    I think the problem is you haven't generated enough emotions within them to demand YOU to sell a solution to them.

    ~Dexx
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  • Profile picture of the author RySpencer
    My suggestion is that you drop the "what we do" and bring in more "how we can help you" lines.

    Alos, keep track of what scripts are working, and what aren't. It's all about conversion rates. If you have used Google adwords or Facebook ads, you always track your conversions on each ad you post. Bad conversions get scrapped, good ones get bumped.

    Good luck and get back on the phone!
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  • Profile picture of the author RS3RS
    You'll have little results calling and trying to pitch them something. Instead, listen to what they need and go from there. Offer to put something together for free - try to meet up in person and set down with them. When you've sketched something on paper together, it's hard for them to say no.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bobster0007
      When you make your call, your main concerns are to:

      ./ Create a conversation, not make a pitch or close a sale
      ./ Help your prospect relate to the problem statement and
      enter into a conversation about their particular issues and concerns
      ./ Avoid any sales pressure
      ./ Discern whether there's a fit between their problem and your solution


      ACTION STEPS
      1. Begin with: "Hi, my name is Marie...[optional: "you and I haven't met yet"], and I'm hoping you
      can help me out for a moment?"

      2. Wait until they say, "How can I help you?"

      3. Then reply with one of the openings below, and use a bridging phrase below to plug in one of
      their problems or issues. Your problem statement should be general enough that they respond with
      "what do you mean?" or "tell me more?"
      Examples of openings:
      "I'm just calling to see if you'd be open to a different perspective (or avenue)..." "I'm just
      calling to see if you're open to some different ideas..."
      "I'm just calling to see if you're grappling with issues..."
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      • Profile picture of the author IMguy123
        Originally Posted by Bobster0007 View Post

        When you make your call, your main concerns are to:

        ./ Create a conversation, not make a pitch or close a sale
        ./ Help your prospect relate to the problem statement and
        enter into a conversation about their particular issues and concerns
        ./ Avoid any sales pressure
        ./ Discern whether there's a fit between their problem and your solution


        ACTION STEPS
        1. Begin with: "Hi, my name is Marie...[optional: "you and I haven't met yet"], and I'm hoping you
        can help me out for a moment?"

        2. Wait until they say, "How can I help you?"

        3. Then reply with one of the openings below, and use a bridging phrase below to plug in one of
        their problems or issues. Your problem statement should be general enough that they respond with
        "what do you mean?" or "tell me more?"
        Examples of openings:
        "I'm just calling to see if you'd be open to a different perspective (or avenue)..." "I'm just
        calling to see if you're open to some different ideas..."
        "I'm just calling to see if you're grappling with issues..."
        hmmm definitely an Unlock the Game Ari Galper follower...sounds good
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        • Profile picture of the author Bobster0007
          Originally Posted by IMguy123 View Post

          hmmm definitely an Unlock the Game Ari Galper follower...sounds good
          you got it...verbatim...lol
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          • Profile picture of the author Ben_R
            20 calls is good for your first day -

            remember dont let your confidence get shaken too much -- you have to build your confidence - steadily

            dont sell - just have a chat with them - the main concept of selling sho9uldnt be apparent at all -- think from their perspective - would you buy a site from a first call - or even show interest --


            good luck amigo -- and also learn tom hopkins - get his audio stuff - its good he is a sales legend -the kind of salesman who can sell you your own computer back to you - probably - ;d
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  • Profile picture of the author SamirRastogi
    Cold calling is tough. If you're dealing with local businesses, you may be better off just walking in un-announced. In my business, I deal with bakeries so I just go there during off-peak hours and talk to them about how I can help them earn more and increase their customer satisfaction without increasing their cost. That usually gets their attention pretty fast.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheLocalCoach
      Some good advice here, but respectfully, I disagree with the comments about it just being a numbers game. Certainly, in order to make adjustments, learn and refine, it takes statistically significant numbers to know what works better, and you shouldn't judge results on only 20 calls. But in terms of the "keep trying until you succeed mentality"... if what you're trying is bad, then continuing and expecting different results is...insanity?

      I've owned and built a call center in the past, and I fully understand the value of living by the numbers. Making thousands of completed calls daily gives you the luxury of making lots of mistakes and still doing well. But in this environment, where mostly it's just you, in your local community, a bad phone approach could really hurt you. So look for advice and solutions and some training to help you improve your chances and then definitely keep trying, so you take something good (a script outline) and personalize it to make it better.

      The last thing you want to sound like is a telemarketer; you'll have much better results being real, friendly and most importantly helpful. Offer something of value, offer to teach the business owner or give them some free advice, and let them know you're a local business owner, just like them, and that you can help them get more customers and make more money.

      There are some good practical tips in this thread to follow, and you have successfully taken the plunge, so keep tweaking and learning. Your instinct, and advice from others, is correct, you don't want to talk about your services on a first cold call, you want to focus on building rapport, and getting the business owner intrigued that you just might be able to help them with RESULTS. That should get you to your appointment or a second scheduled call. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    If you're still struggling with picking up the phone, try this: Go For The No.

    No's are hard to get!! Half the time you call, the person you want to speak with won't be available. Half the time you get to talk to them, they won't have time or want to talk to you right then. So only 1/4 of your calls will ever even get to a receptive ear!

    Since those are the realities of the game, accept that and move on. The solution IS to make more calls, but of course skill will help you be more effective when that 1 in 4 outcomes happens and you're ON THE LINE WITH A LIVE, INTERESTED PROSPECT! (OMG)

    So deliver your "pitch" (I hate this word, but everyone seems to understand what it means), and if they aren't responding positively, say:

    "Sounds like this just isn't for you. Should I hang up now and cross you off my list?"

    You'll get one of two responses. Either the prospect will confirm that they're not interested (fine) and you won't waste further time & energy, or they'll jump at the takeaway and blurt out that they are, actually, in fact interested.

    Go For The No. No's are hard to get--and when you get one, you should be proud. You got feedback! Mark it down. Make it a goal to get 10 or 15 No's during a session of cold calling--and not stop until you get them. Be proud that you earned them. They're not failure. You cannot convert 100% of the people you talk to into customers; nor do you want to.

    Finally, make sure that you only prospect when you're upbeat, feeling a '10'. Remember that nobody can prospect effectively for 8 hours straight. I've done 6 continuously and it wore me out. I do 1.5-2 hours at a time, take a break for an hour, and then another 1.5-2 hours. Then it's not so overwhelming. And I'm very, very effective.
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  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
    Hey Adam kudos to you for a) taking action and more importantly b) coming back here and admitting to not finding it easy, you'll go far with that sort of focus

    Ok when people say 'no' on the phone , theyre only saying 'no' there and then . Ring them again in 2 weeks ,even with the same approach though a change is advised, and they could say 'yes' or at least not 'no' .

    Seriously , the timing may not be right, you may have rung them just after theyve had a bad conversation with staff/ supplier/ accountant/ bank manager etc , theyre not going to say yes to anything in that mood.
    If they say no on the phone, send them a follow up letter, email, social media connect etc.
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    • Originally Posted by mjbmedia View Post

      Hey Adam kudos to you for a) taking action and more importantly b) coming back here and admitting to not finding it easy, you'll go far with that sort of focus

      Ok when people say 'no' on the phone , theyre only saying 'no' there and then . Ring them again in 2 weeks ,even with the same approach though a change is advised, and they could say 'yes' or at least not 'no' .

      Seriously , the timing may not be right, you may have rung them just after theyve had a bad conversation with staff/ supplier/ accountant/ bank manager etc , theyre not going to say yes to anything in that mood.
      If they say no on the phone, send them a follow up letter, email, social media connect etc.
      True Story :

      called a pharmacist for some advertising around 2007.
      He was very mean and within 30 45 seconds he said angrily, "is this a sales call!?

      I said no and hung up.

      I decided to call back (the following week!) just for fun and to see what would happen if I assumed it was my 1st call.

      he appeared nicer or not busy, he acted like he didn't remember, and I sold him.
      was appx. a 600.00 sale.
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    • Originally Posted by Battlespeed View Post

      Is "cold calling" really the approach you want to take?

      1. It's the classic form of "interruption marketing", which is so inefficient that you would only use it when you cannot reach prospects any other way.

      2. "Cold (phone) calling" is generally perceived as an old-fashioned and even obnoxious sales tool, and yet you're putting yourself forward as a marketing expert who can tell me how to use modern technologies that my clients and prospects will appreciate. Think about it. You're coming across to me as exactly the opposite of what you're selling, aren't you?

      3. "Mobile website" still means nothing to many business owners even in the year 2011 - even if they surf the Web on their own iPhone or Android (they don't realize the sites they visit have been optimized for mobile, or what's involved). So, you often find yourself in the position of a man trying to explain astrophysics to his cat - in a few words.

      What if you took a different approach so you're doing "warm calling" instead of "cold calling"? With "warm calling", both parties are much more comfortable (context!) and you're making fewer contacts, but they're much higher conversion rates.

      Here are some ideas:

      1. You might start with business owners and/or professionals (dentist, etc.) with whom you already do business. After the toofie cleaning, you say "By the way, Doc, I was on your website looking up the number to make this appointment and I noticed that it wasn't very easy to navigate on my iPhone (or I think that your Places page could probably do a lot more for you, etc), and this stuff is right in my wheelhouse. Take a look at this when you get a minute and if you're interested in optimizing your site/page for mobile surfers, I'll take care of everything for you and give you a very special rate."

      What you hand him is a 2-page mini-presentation. The first page is similar to a "squeeze page", but not as verbose (or as hard-sell). You simply provide him with some information about the massive shift to mobile surfing, mobile local search, etc. (you do have these statistics, right?) - so that by the time he turns to the the second page, he wants to know how he can get in on the "trend".

      The second page is "before-and-after" selling. You show how his current website (or Google Places page, etc.) looks inside a mockup of a cell phone, and how it would look after it's optimized. (You can set up templates that will let you create these things in a few minutes.)

      Your closing paragraph:

      "I know we're both busy but I believe I'll have some open time this month when I could take care of all of this for you. I'll give you a ring as soon as my schedule firms up - or you can call me at 555-5555."

      Of course, your "schedule firms up" in a couple of days and you call him.

      This idea can be made as sophisticated as you like if you use a CD or put it on a USB stick instead of paper...and the stick makes a nice "bonus" giveaway so get some from a promo distributor, screen-printed with your info, of course. 2 GB sticks are cheap.

      2. Along the same lines: After you do business with someone, ask them if they'd mind if you created a video testimonial for them because you're so happy with what they did for you.

      You do the testimonial and when you're handing them the USB stick/CD, you say "I did this in a format so you could put it up on your mobile site - or, you can also put it on your YouTube channel or your Google page...oh, you don't have one? You know, we should do everyone out there surfing the Web on their phones a favor, and help them find you! I do all that mobile stuff for my clients, blah-blah - and to show my appreciation for the great (whatever) you gave me, I'd be honored to take care of everything for you at a very special rate". You get it.

      3. When you're finishing up a transaction: "Could I get your personal (never say "private"!) email address? I was thinking about the great business you run here and I had an idea that might be very interesting to you...but I don't want to say what it is exactly until I've had a chance to think about how it might work for you. I promise that I'll shoot you an email tomorrow or the next day at the latest..."

      You "shoot them" a mini-presentation, of course - or, when you get more sophisticated at this, a simple link to their customized presentation.

      4. You notice a newspaper ad (or an ad in a shopper magazine, etc.) for a business where you do business. It doesn't have a QR code. You scan the ad and then, in Gimp or Photoshop, you insert a fake QR code (fake, of course), circled in red. You think of two or three ideas about how the QR code could help this business, and you get this revised ad in the owner's hands ("Why is he showing me my own ad?" will get his attention, I promise!) - either by simply dropping it off, etc. You could even mail it, marked "Personal", with a short cover letter which, of course, closes with your promise to call and "share some other ideas with you". Your letter naturally emphasizes that you're a customer and that's why you happened to be thinking about him.

      5. And, if you must make unexpected phone calls, make them "warm calls", not "cold calls". By this, I mean that there is rarely any reason to be completely ignorant about any business that you're calling. At the very least, you can rapidly review their website before you call. You should be able to (1) identify who owns this business, (2) learn what this business is "about" - how do they see themselves competitively? and (3) be able to say something complementary and relevant to their competitive position.

      For instance, a retailer is proud of his product selection, so you say "I was really impressed by your product line..."

      Or, a plumber emphasizes his 24-hour availability, so you say "You can bet that I've bookmarked your website for when I need a plumber at 3 AM..."

      Or, a guard company is proud of their guard training so you say "You do seem to train your guards really well..."

      Or - whatever they're proud of.

      Just some ideas, but I'd work on ploughing the field a bit before you try to throw seeds in the ground. Think about "warm calling".


      looks like you put some time and thought with this long reply. good you put up some Ideas



      some of your ideas - like reviewing the website is good



      you can do it while your dialing the phone, and when they answer you say "I'm looking at your website and ______?

      Is this the most supportive thing?*

      "disruption marketing" ?????????

      some drawn out, and fabricated tactics IMO


      I would rather disrupt and politely get off the phone, than lie.

      bottomline when your cold-calling, there may not be the funds or time to do other types of marketing.
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        • Originally Posted by Battlespeed View Post

          Wow, what a strange reaction. There isn't a single "lie" or "fabricated" tactic in the list, unless you'd also consider learning where and when the deer run, or taking a hunting rifle with you instead of a popgun, to be a hunter's "fabricated tactics".

          Perhaps you meant to say that the methods seem "contrived" - and if so, you're absolutely right. Give the man a cigar or kewpie doll, his choice. "Contrived" means "obviously planned or calculated", and ALL strategy is "contrived". Or, it had better be.

          And you can't possibly review the website in the manner I suggest "while you're dialing". It takes at least a few minutes. (Wow! Review some sites, plan your approach and THEN make your calls.) So, I guess if you were a farmer you'd consider ploughing the field to be a "drawn out" procedure too. Just run out and throw seeds around. Good thinking!

          And frankly, I consider any one of these methods to be 1000% more considerate (or "polite") than yours.

          One thing you need to learn - real quick or you're going to get run over. The field of "mobile marketing" is already attracting so many new "experts" (yesterday-I-couldn't-spell-mobile-marketer-and-today-I-are-one)that you'd better become more sophisticated in your own marketing. Every day, the chances are dwindling that you're going to be the first one who calls. You need to be developing other marketing channels - meaning channels that approach new business from a different direction.

          But hey, bud - you just keep on dialing, dialing, dialing. Hell, get yourself a robodialer if you want. I might even be there talking to the owner when you call, and he and I can have a good laugh together.

          Before you call yourself a "mobile marketer", you need to learn something about marketing. There's a lot more savvy ways to go hunting than simply jumping out of the weeds. The deer don't like it, and when they don't like something, they tend to - what? See if you can tell me. That's right - they tend to run away.


          just because someone dosen't like something or are in fear ( "phone fear" has been around longer than you and I)...
          you can still do other types of marketing without denegrating it, and not supporting an effort a warrior just said he was doing isn't the best thing IMO.

          the farmer : so your prospects are Dirt?

          I hope neither of us takes this personal, but a means to some constructive help for people on this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
    Im a firm believer in saying something within the first few sentences to show the owner that you know a little about their business, to me thats still cold calling as Ive not been invited to phone them , but lets not split hairs over terminology.

    The more you know and show them you know about their business and industry, the better standing you'll have within their minds, the better you can communicate with them on their level, whats the industry terminology for tables in a restaurant (tops), know it, use it, be a bit different from everyone else calling them tables
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