Single site vs Multiple Sites when targeting multiple local keywords?

by zahavi
9 replies
Hi,

Just trying to help out a friend though I am unfamiliar with the niche and not that familiar with offline peculiarities either.

She runs a clothes shop, it is well established in its locality and has been consistently at number one on Google for its main keyword, let's call it "prom dresses" though this is not the main term.

Lately she is noticing that more and more people are looking for specific designers and obviously more targeted searches usually mean better conversions. So she is considering abandoning altogether the SEO effort for main keyword and concentrating on the various designers. For me this does not make sense as I'd rather not lose that number one spot for the niche and I would develop either separate sites or sub-sites to target the more specific terms. (Plus being within the fashion industry I would expect that designers come and go which is another reason why developing the main niche keywords seems more reasonable in terms of developing the business overall long term).

But there are budget constraints and the issue is really about most efficiently allocating the available funds.

So my question is - What is the best approach in above situation? That is, how to capture the traffic and sales from the smaller but more specific keywords while maintaining and further building the overall business?

Also - in case some professional SEO guys are reading this - How would you deal with a situation in which your client comes to you and says, "Look, my return does not justify my current expense on SEO even though we have held onto the number one spot in Google for years. What can we do? What can you advise me?" .... She is currently paying around $750 per month for SEO (which for me is way too high but as I said I do not know that niche at all).

One thing I have noticed is that they have no Social Media, so that's an obvious one to develop. Is it reasonable to expect/ask her SEO team to "throw in" Social Media services within above package? If it is, how long before any results show up?

Many thanks for any feedback,
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelParsons
    You speak of long-tail SEO, unless I am mistaken.

    If it ain't broke don't fix it. Leave the #1 position stuff in place.

    Think about making a page for each designer with your town name in it.

    sitename.com/city-designer or /designer-city then showcase the designer on that page. a page for each designer or keyword . Sitename.com/city/designer1 sitename.com/city/designer2 might work as well. Good to have the city and KW in the URL as well as 2-3 times in the copy of the page, but don't overdo it.

    Good luck!

    BTW use your existing site, it already ranks for a related topic, use that to your advantage. why try to rank a NEW site? not cost-effective.

    Re:social media. If there is no one to interact with the fans/followers, there is no point to a social media profile. You need to have someone monitoring it, responding, creating content. So, NO- don't do social media just to say "we are on FB". waste and may hurt her rep.

    None is better than poorly done.
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    • Profile picture of the author zahavi
      Originally Posted by MichaelParsons View Post

      You speak of long-tail SEO, unless I am mistaken.

      If it ain't broke don't fix it. Leave the #1 position stuff in place.

      Think about making a page for each designer with your town name in it.

      sitename.com/city-designer or /designer-city then showcase the designer on that page. a page for each designer or keyword . Sitename.com/city/designer1 sitename.com/city/designer2 might work as well. Good to have the city and KW in the URL as well as 2-3 times in the copy of the page, but don't overdo it.

      Good luck!

      BTW use your existing site, it already ranks for a related topic, use that to your advantage. why try to rank a NEW site? not cost-effective.

      Re:social media. If there is no one to interact with the fans/followers, there is no point to a social media profile. You need to have someone monitoring it, responding, creating content. So, NO- don't do social media just to say "we are on FB". waste and may hurt her rep.

      None is better than poorly done.
      Thanks, Michael.

      I really appreciate you taking the time for this detailed reply. I knew there was a way to build on the already achieved but was not sure of the details.
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    • Profile picture of the author zahavi
      Originally Posted by MichaelParsons View Post


      Re:social media. If there is no one to interact with the fans/followers, there is no point to a social media profile. You need to have someone monitoring it, responding, creating content. So, NO- don't do social media just to say "we are on FB". waste and may hurt her rep.

      None is better than poorly done.

      Though regarding Social Media - Would it not be handy to have something purely for SEO, even if not perfectly maintained? Especially now since Google+ pages are starting to matter with Google ranking and related.

      Plus being within the fashion industry where trends and seasonality matter, I can definitely see potential. Though again, I have only very little experience with social media for offline (enough to show me that what I expected to work, did not, and what I was just putting in there for fun, actually worked!!!)
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    On the other hand, make a sub domain for each designer or dress manufacturer. verawang.herdomain.com, keyword.herdomain.com.

    Once it starts ranking just iframe in the main site. Its better in MOST cases to build upon the clients domain if at all possible and pull from its current age authority then to start the whole process over again with new domains.

    That's my 2 cents worth.
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    • Profile picture of the author zahavi
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      On the other hand, make a sub domain for each designer or dress manufacturer. verawang.herdomain.com, keyword.herdomain.com.

      Once it starts ranking just iframe in the main site. Its better in MOST cases to build upon the clients domain if at all possible and pull from its current age authority then to start the whole process over again with new domains.

      That's my 2 cents worth.
      ...

      Thank You, Rus for these extra ideas. Slightly more technically-intensive but I'd say very efficient in solving current problem.

      This opens new vistas for that local business and its web presence!
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelParsons
        Originally Posted by zahavi View Post

        Slightly more technically-intensive but I'd say very efficient in solving current problem.
        No offense, but for $750 a month these SEO people can throw in subdomain creation (subdomain.site.com) for your friend. Its really a 3 minute setup (if that) if you know how. Not challenging for most "SEO" people, or Warrior, worth their salt. They shouldn't charge for it, if they do it should be REALLY cheap.

        Of course putting optimized content on those subdomains (which act like websites-within-websites) might be a different story, subject to additional, but reasonable, charges.
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        • Profile picture of the author zahavi
          Originally Posted by MichaelParsons View Post

          No offense, but for $750 a month these SEO people can throw in subdomain creation (subdomain.site.com) for your friend. Its really a 3 minute setup (if that) if you know how. Not challenging for most "SEO" people, or Warrior, worth their salt. They shouldn't charge for it, if they do it should be REALLY cheap.

          Of course putting optimized content on those subdomains (which act like websites-within-websites) might be a different story, subject to additional, but reasonable, charges.

          Thanks again, Michael.

          The subdomain creation is not a problem. I am more concerned that it did not occur to me ... And I really do not know anything about their whole set up and relationship with their SEO and web-development crowd. I just heard how much they were spending (!!!) and that it was not paying for itself and they were thinking of pulling out.

          I am not really in a position to do anything directly but I am sure they'll hear my attempt to save them money.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelParsons
    OK, if someone uses social media to contact your business with an issue, and no one is there to respond, what happens then?

    Bad Rep, Bad Mojo, unhappy customer and EVERYONE can see it.

    If a complaint is sent via social media, and it is a monitored profile, then you can get on it and fix the issue and get ahead of the thing while you still have a chance to control it.

    I would recommend G Places spot, maybe LinkedIn, but not FB or Twit if you are not on it every day, 3-4 times a day.

    .02
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    • Profile picture of the author zahavi
      Of course, yes, social media used the right way. Obviously it is a general enough term in that use.

      But a useful reminder, Michael, thanks.
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