One great Thing about offline marketing....

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If SOPA "did" hit....we would still be in business.
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  • Profile picture of the author dminorfmajor
    I don't think it ever will. It's reminiscent of legalizing marijuana or having a playoff system for college football. Valid points but they'll never happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author aceofsaves
    That is true. What I like about offline marketing is that the base principals are the same whether its online or offline. So I feel it's healthy to be well versed in both. I have actually taken things I have learned from offline, applied them to online and have had good results.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Miller
      John I very rarely disagree with what you have to say in the forum, however, on this point I have to use the expression "agree to disagree"....Although in it's purest sense of offline marketing you are correct, SOPA and PIPA would not have an impact.

      However, since most of what offine marketers are marketing is online services, there could easily be an impact in relation to what we would be placing online for them.

      On another note, I hope that others did what I did yesterday, which was to call, and email my congressman (worthless pos) and both US Senators (beyond worthless pos the both of em...but I digress). Regardless of what the details of any bill may be, in my opionion any action by the government relative to the internet can only serve to inhibit free speech and free enterprise.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I dont argue with people who arent posers, or mistreating the forum David. We are probably both right to a degree. After having spoken with you on the phone, there is no doubt that you are a true offline salesman. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author seomoney
    When SOPA gets approved anybody can accuse you of violating copyright and have all your domains and websites shutdown. Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by seomoney View Post

      When SOPA gets approved anybody can accuse you of violating copyright and have all your domains and websites shutdown. Good luck.
      Especially if its true and you dont write your own content, and you make your living off ripping people off... , and you dont exercise the creative ability that God gives us all which eliminates the need to steal.

      I see what you are saying though. It would be yet another example of EVERYONE, even good people suffering over the selfishness of a few bad apples, which is why I encourage everyone not to patronize sites that make a mockery of real product creators and publicly build businesses off the premise of stealing others content.

      Its really not funny at all, its very immature and greed driven, and it causes even good people to suffer.

      Furthermore it insults its own patrons who blissfully allow their lack of moral fiber to be exploited, to the point of praising the people who exploit it.

      Im sure they could change ALOT of this behavior just by making people own up to it by using own real names in their marketing. People would think twice about stealing publicly if they had to do it with their own name. And if there isnt anything wrong with it, then why not?

      As a former professional songwriter, I personally dont like the idea of people helping themselves to others art work without paying. However I cant support sopa because of the very thing you point out that even good guys would be hit because of the misdeeds of the blue fart people.

      If you know any sites like that I would boycott them personally and do. What they stand for is wrong IMHO.

      Understandably my view may not be very popular, because alot of people who agree are afraid to agree publicly due to monopolies in which they have become intertwined or interdependent, or even co dependent upon.

      I have built my own forum and offline business on my own merit, with some help from the WF only... so I dont personally care, other than to say that now we have to protect the bad guys to save our own asses which I think is a crime in itself.

      Am I proud of being original? Heck yes I am. Sorry if that offends anyone. There was a time when being original was a given, but now its a badge of honor!
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      • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
        We sure would be in business, but with less places to exchange ideas. Most of forums would be gone, with WF possibly being one of them...


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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by SirThomas View Post

          We sure would be in business, but with less places to exchange ideas. Most of forums would be gone, with WF possibly being one of them...


          Thomas
          Correct, and that would be the saddest day in internet marketing ever.
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          • Profile picture of the author ShayB
            If SOPA passed, then the true business people - the ones that have a genuine business, that know how to think "outside of the box" and deliver value to clients, and the ones who can adapt and change - will continue on. Those who cannot/will not adapt will fall by the wayside.

            Nothing new about that. It's the way business works.
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            • Profile picture of the author seomoney
              This bill turns us all into criminals. If it passes, then you either stop using the Internet, or you simply hope that you never end up in the crosshairs, because if you're targeted, you will be destroyed by this bill. You don't have to be a big, mean, nasty criminal -- common Internet usage is effectively criminalized under this law. This bill will kill American innovation and development of the Internet, as it will become too risky to do anything of value. It is toxic and dangerous, and should not, under any circumstances, be supported.
              Why SOPA Is Dangerous - Yahoo! News

              SOPA is not dead and will never die. Giant corporations with billions of dollars are waiting for a good time to get the bill passed.
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          • Profile picture of the author Missionmarketer
            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

            Correct, and that would be the saddest day in internet marketing ever.
            I cannot fathom this bill being passed anyway so I am not going to worry about it. There would be such an OUTCRY from millions of people, the economy would be at stake more than ever and right now is not the time to mess with it.
            I just can't see it happening.
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            • Profile picture of the author David Miller
              "I cannot fathom this bill being passed anyway so I am not going to worry about it. There would be such an OUTCRY from millions of people, the economy would be at stake more than ever and right now is not the time to mess with it.
              I just can't see it happening."

              Many bills have been passed and laws changed or imposed because people thought it wouldn't happen....and OUTCRYS after the fact can be of little use once the new law or regulation has already imbedded itself in the marketplace. If you feel strongly about a bill before lawmakers, you MUST pick up the phone, send an email, and do something to have your outcry heard BEFORE something becomes law.
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              • Profile picture of the author ShayB
                Stupid laws are passed all the time. Luckily, enough awareness was spread about this so that it has been shelved for a while.

                It hasn't disappeared.

                I'm sure it will rear its ugly head again and again until it is met with apathy because people are tired of hearing about it and they simply assume that it will never pass. Then it will be passed.

                Or it will be renamed. And then passed.

                While I think that would be a tragedy, I also think that this is a wake-up call for businesses.

                There are things that are going to happen - weather events, legislation, economic events, technological advances, etc. - that you have no control over. These events will affect your business.

                Like I said before - if you have a true business, you will sit down, regroup, and figure out a way to survive it.

                If you are simply following the latest Bright Shiny Object business model, then you probably won't.

                How many businesses do you see producing wagon wheels? Not a whole lot.

                Those businesses that created fortunes out of supplying wagon wheels had a few choices when technology became obsolete - they either adapted or they went out of business. It's that simple.

                How about the wakeup call that people got when they found out that the Warrior Forum was down for a day? How many people scrambled in panic because their entire business model is based on the WF? I'm sorry, but I don't consider that business model to be a true business. If something were to happen to the WF, some people would have their "businesses" wiped out overnight.

                I guess the point I'm trying to make is that while I oppose SOPA and think that it is a horrible piece of legislation, I think that:

                1. People who have a true business will be able to figure out how to survive if it passes.

                2. We, as businesspeople, should take this opportunity to examine our businesses and come up with a few alternate game plans. You never know when something like this might happen.

                JMHO and YMMV
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              • Profile picture of the author Missionmarketer
                Originally Posted by David Miller View Post

                Many bills have been passed and laws changed or imposed because people thought it wouldn't happen....and OUTCRYS after the fact can be of little use once the new law or regulation has already imbedded itself in the marketplace. If you feel strongly about a bill before lawmakers, you MUST pick up the phone, send an email, and do something to have your outcry heard BEFORE something becomes law.
                Oh I agree many ridiculous and damaging bills have been passed!
                I am just saying I won't stay up at night and worry to death about it as I used to worry about things I cannot control.
                I am taking "action" regarding this.
                Anything can happen I realize, and I can't see it considering the State of the economy and all.
                I mean how would Facebook for example police 700 million members?
                They can't.
                It would be madness. They would get shut down.
                Lets just hope it doesn't happen!
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  • Profile picture of the author Missionmarketer
    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

    If SOPA "did" hit....we would still be in business.

    Amen to that!

    We would all be forced to go back to the basics and have live interaction with people face to face!

    Having said that I LOVE the internet and I do not want to lose it. I live on the internet and depend on it for my income. I have made literally hundreds of friends all over the world too.

    But, I could definitely make it work OFFLINE if anything were to happen with my online way of marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author seomoney
    When SOPA/PIPA passes the economy suffers. Good luck competing against 4 million hard working college educated individuals with business and engineering degrees.


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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by seomoney View Post

      When SOPA/PIPA passes the economy suffers. Good luck competing against 4 million hard working college educated individuals with business and engineering degrees.
      I'll bet my experience and creative thinking against a degree any day of the week.
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      • Profile picture of the author seomoney
        Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

        I'll bet my experience and creative thinking against a degree any day of the week.
        Me too! But do you make more money than a google engineer?
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        • Profile picture of the author ShayB
          Originally Posted by seomoney View Post

          Me too! But do you make more money than a google engineer?
          Not sure. I might make more than some.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

        I'll bet my experience and creative thinking against a degree any day of the week.
        Not to be re dun dun dun dant, but as an 8th grade drop out I have given at least 50 8 dollar per hour jobs to guys with marketing degrees.

        Lol. The nerve.

        Ever heard the story of the harvard lawyer who works for the 50 million dollar entrepreneur who "CANT EVEN READ or Write"?

        Cases like this are not exceptional.

        ROTFLMAO at the ignorance of that statement you are responding to here Shay..

        Thats like saying "Im a web designer, so I can sell more websites than a salesman".


        uh............ Sure you can.

        Or thats like saying "I have a marketing degree so I can write better ad copy than Steven Waggenheim...".

        Lol. Get in the trenches a bit and learn some real world truths. If you dont know how to do anything but SEO, sure you might be sunk, but a salesman will still sell and doesnt need any fake copy on their site to do it.

        Not very likely that SOPA is going to shut down "Bobs Jewelry and Pawn".... or "Williams Lawn Care Specialists"...

        Forums? Yes they might be affected, but..."Bob" is who we are selling to. It would still be a healthy market for offliners. Maybe even more so.
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        • Profile picture of the author ShayB
          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          Not to be re dun dun dun dant, but as an 8th grade drop out I have given at least 50 8 dollar per hour jobs to guys with marketing degrees.

          Lol. The nerve.

          Ever heard the story of the harvard lawyer who works for the 50 million dollar entrepreneur who "CANT EVEN READ or Write"?

          Cases like this are not exceptional.

          ROTFLMAO at the ignorance of that statement you are responding to here Shay..

          Thats like saying "Im a web designer, so I can sell more websites than a salesman".


          uh............ Sure you can.

          Or thats like saying "I have a marketing degree so I can write better ad copy than Steven Waggenheim...".

          Lol. Get in the trenches a bit and learn some real world truths. If you dont know how to do anything but SEO, sure you might be sunk, but a salesman will still sell and doesnt need any fake copy on their site to do it.

          Not very likely that SOPA is going to shut down "Bobs Jewelry and Pawn".... or "Williams Lawn Care Specialists"...

          Forums? Yes they might be affected, but..."Bob" is who we are selling to. It would still be a healthy market for offliners. Maybe even more so.
          I agree. I think that there would still be plenty of opportunities for offliners. Not the "one trick ponies" - people who really know how to work with biz owners and help them with their business.

          I'm a salesperson. A d*mn good one. I've been a telemarketer and was d*mned good at that, too. If I had to drum up business, I could always hop on the phones. Not a problem.

          A good businessman/woman sees opportunity everywhere. They think differently. They don't throw their hands up when a curve ball comes their way and start applying for jobs at the Burger Shack. They say, "How can I adapt to this?" Or better yet, "How can I use this to my advantage?"

          For my main business, I offer a unique service to biz owners. My packages start at $1499 and go up from there.

          However, I can offer websites, SEO, Social Media Campaigns, press releases, PR campaigns, JV deals, and a whole helluva lot more. I'm always reading and researching to learn new things, too. Not because I plan on offering the services, but because I like to have it in my arsenal, just in case.

          I can also come up with a unique plan if I see that's what a client needs.

          I don't worry about staying in business.
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          • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
            Simple truth of the matter is , i am a sales man period.

            i will always have something to sell.

            Even if every thing goes to hell in a hand basket,

            Even if every thing we now know goes bad, i will have something to sell ,
            maybe food, maybe water, maybe bullets....

            who knows, but i will always be in business, regardless of SOPA, PIPA
            or any kind of disaster ... ( assuming i made it through the disaster alive )
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  • Profile picture of the author Tousen
    SOPA will never hit, although i still like the offline marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Missionmarketer
      Originally Posted by Tousen View Post

      SOPA will never hit, although i still like the offline marketing.
      I just read an update on this on Google and the decision is leaning towards internet freedom as I suspected it would.

      Another poster here mentioned that OUTCRY'S have happened "after the fact" of stupid, damaging laws being passed BUT there are outcrys and there are revolutions!

      The outcry would be SO deafening if our internet freedom was taken away from us I believe it would start a Revolution.

      We need not fear the government but the government needs to fear the people. Billions of people.
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  • Profile picture of the author cadoutsource
    I don't understand how the Hollywood community can up with this,
    True, people steal their content and movies but on the other side they are somewhat like online marketers if the content is good enough to steal you know that they are people out there that enjoy the content just like the people who steal our content.

    In every industry there are crooks, can you say Enron. Also there are a lot of crooks in Hollywood with all the bad movies coming out the public are not going to spend their hard earned money to see junk. So there you have it the Hollywood community are no different than us.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Ps. We could call them "SOPA COMPLIANT SITES" and make a USP out of it.


    Thats how sam walton sold ten cent combs for $1.00, by calling them "super detangler" combs.

    Promise you he had the same kind of marketing degree me and shay have.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Ps. We could call them "SOPA COMPLIANT SITES" and make a USP out of it.


      Thats how sam walton sold ten cent combs for $1.00, by calling them "super detangler" combs.

      Promise you he had the same kind of marketing degree me and shay have.
      Why not offer businesses a seminar/webinar on how to make sure that their sites are SOPA compliant? The upsell, of course, is to offer to do it for them.

      I see an opportunity here, personally.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

        I agree. I think that there would still be plenty of opportunities for offliners. Not the "one trick ponies" - people who really know how to work with biz owners and help them with their business.

        I'm a salesperson. A d*mn good one. I've been a telemarketer and was d*mned good at that, too. If I had to drum up business, I could always hop on the phones. Not a problem.

        A good businessman/woman sees opportunity everywhere. They think differently. They don't throw their hands up when a curve ball comes their way and start applying for jobs at the Burger Shack. They say, "How can I adapt to this?" Or better yet, "How can I use this to my advantage?"

        For my main business, I offer a unique service to biz owners. My packages start at $1499 and go up from there.

        However, I can offer websites, SEO, Social Media Campaigns, press releases, PR campaigns, JV deals, and a whole helluva lot more. I'm always reading and researching to learn new things, too. Not because I plan on offering the services, but because I like to have it in my arsenal, just in case.

        I can also come up with a unique plan if I see that's what a client needs.

        I don't worry about staying in business.
        That is What I am Talking about! You go!
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