I beg for no more email marketing

oh, so it`s only your opinion that is right, then:confused:

fair enough...carry on. Just remember, arrogance does NOT win you friends.

And I was simply trying to smooth over the rude comment you made to someone telling him that his 5 clients per month were nothing. Really! It is certainly possible that someone could have only 5 clients per month and that that was all they needed to provide a decent monthly income. For example: Let`s say I offered a course where I taught one-on-one and the price was $399. Five clients per month is $2000 per month: enough for most people to quit their day jobs.

anyway...I have personally never cold-emailed, but I have cold called. In my humble opinion, neither method is necessary to make money online. Not if you use social media and other traffic resources properly to promote your offers.

I appreciate the attack and the attention, thank you very much. Now, let me just break down your post and show you how in the first two paragraphs you just made your essay entirely useless and pointless.

If you were following the thread we're talking about cold emailing.

If you read your post, you are NOT talking about cold emailing, these are people you have spoke with before.

The inconsistencies already, are insane. You say cold emailing works, but then say you don't cold email since you have already talked to the clients and qualified them in the past, but then you say cold emailing works again and it is what you do. Obviously, you either do not understand what cold emailing is.


Sigh I promised not to get into this with you, but I suppose I will. I am talking about cold emailing, sometimes it's people I may have talked with before, but quoting exactly what you pasted, it says: "We qualify leads before emailing them to make sure they need what we're offering," and in the previous sentence, "EITHER called in the past, OR decided need our help"

The second one IS cold emailing. So you're welcome.

No.. for a real, legitimate business, sales are not generated through email. You said this already that you have talked to the clients in the past, not cold emailing.

Sigh, I told you, and in your ranting heat you didn't read the sentence clearly I suppose. There are many of those businesses we've NEVER talked to, I would say upwards of 85% of them, and I should have made that more clear.

And you're telling me that no major corporations or businesses make sales through email? In fact, we offer email marketing campaigns to the businesses we sign up, and they're operating, with licenses, paying us to offer those, and they make sales through email. Note: You didn't specify cold emailing here. It just says "sales are not generated through email".

Then you brought in the fact that my clients aren't cold, but I should have said, upwards of 85% of them are. Those are two entire different topics in one paragraph, so that should be two paragraphs. One per topic... thx.

I could care less if you have a "triple bachelor's degree in college". Of course a degree would come from college, and I don't see the point of mentioning you have a triple bachelor's degree. Not sure how that makes you an expert in sales.

Anyway, your statistics are likely self made while you were typing this angry rant towards me. Trying to tell me you're converting better by email than face to face sales is ludicrous. Who ever said anything about going to the business in person? Not necessary, there is a thing called the telephone that works wonders, which you have already stated you have talked to these clients in the past.


I'm not angry at you at all. Some of us can have a legitimate conversation while still pointing out other people's flaws and insecurities. It felt much less like you were helping people, than hurting people and being condescending to those less skilled. It's obvious we're having a dick measuring contest here, so I'll leave that at that.

K..

It's hard to laugh at real life psychology principles, I know... especially when they affect everybody in the entire world, since we're all human, and humans are predictable.

Yes... like I said before. It also happens even if you're sending a few gmail, yahoo, aol emails in a row.

Not true - I can mail merge about 85 emails from my gmail account through Outlook/Word and send them off to a list of real estate agents and get an over 95% delivery rate. Some may bounce, but only because the emails aren't valid I got off the real estate website.

You said these weren't cold emails, either stop exaggerating the truth or make your statements clear. Even email marketers with an OPT IN list don't have those conversions, and I don't believe you do either.

Lol, AGAIN, just because a few of the people I email are previous contacts, doens't mean that they ALL are. I, once again, should have made this more clear.

Highly doubt it.. I have got sales through emails, I, unlike some of you, test out many different tools and tactics to generate sales. Real business, is not done through email. Can you honestly disagree with that? If so... then your opinion loses a lot of value.

If you note, you've condescendingly pointed out a flaw in other people, instead of constructively doing so. It really gets annoying, quoting you, "I, unlike some of you."

I agree that email is not a reasonable business plan for the life-span of a business, but in the short-term, or slow times, it's an effective tool, even if you're emailing a few businesses you've never spoken with. Using the right subject lines, it'll get opened, and using the right message style, you will get responded to.


Let's come back to this, when you get to the point of putting me down, by calling me names, and saying ... (cut for length) We're talking about building a business here, not freelancing and soliciting services, there is a HUGE difference.

I can appreciate with what you've said. But I honestly felt like your whole point to responding to some of the people that said it's worked for them (and they wouldn't be defending it if it hadn't, flat out) was because you wanted to show exactly how premium and above it all you really were. I'm a humble person, and if I were to lose everything, I would have no problem walking my butt to the bus station to catch a ride to where I needed to be in order to make a sale.

I'm not sure how you feel about this, but humility is necessary in this business. Extremely necessary.

I agree, people need to build their business, and they definitely need to learnt he industry. Emailing is part of marketing but not solely the entire marketing plan.

If you think I'm harsh, bring in a business plan to a bank that says your marketing consists of emails, and they will laugh you out of there.


I worked in a bank for a year as a consultant actually along with an accounting firm that I interned with. They were brought in to deal with issues within the loan department at the bank not giving out enough loans and how they could identify the better high risk loans to give.

I've never seen a loan office laugh anybody out of their office, or for that matter, laugh at anybody. That's extremely unprofessional, and could cost the bank much more than that one customer if it ever got out they treated people like that.

I disagree here, and agree to disagree, as it might just be a figure of speech you're using. I've shown banks my business plans where email marketing was a primary traffic source, and actually gotten loans to launch websites where that is the case. Loans upwards of $25k, so... I can't say I agree at all. It just depends on what you know about accounting, GAAP standards, and your ability to convey the plan in an understandable and relatable fashion.

Loans are hard to get from banks for any online venture, unless you know exactly what you want, and I suppose my consultancy gave me that. Post dot-com-bubble, it's tough out here in the streets.

Ummm... LOL. I had a dry spell back in december where I didn't land a client for a week, and I was freaking out. You can ask fellow warriors, like kanijang. You saying you don't believe that claim, just tells me that you obviously aren't where you need to be yet if you find that far fetched at all.

If I don't get 20 a month, I'm pissed off. I typically shoot for more than that. We're talking basic offline services, b2b sales where I actively sell and put forth real effort.

I wasn't even referring to numerous websites of mine that are service based and bringing in over 30K hits a month collectively.


Alright, I took it too far by calling you a liar. I just have a hard time believing that by some of the personality traits you've shown me that you can run a business like that without doing something to accidentally run it into the ground.

It isn't personal, it's just the way you're coming off to me. And I call it like I see it. I could be 100% wrong.

If you're SO bent on attacking me, my business and my knowledge, I'd suggest you...


Cut out some for length... but I don't think 20 is far fetched. I do it, and I'm sure you have, and others do. But to say that you shouldn't do something simply because it only brings in 8 clients instead of 20, is near sighted and on the wrong end of the business expansion spectrum all together.

I don't want to attack you, I may have made it too personal, I suppose.


read the offline forum more often and see the countless threads and advice I have given to have my results.


Too busy running a business to spent five hours a day keyboard jockeying on the forum. Thus is why I had my doubts about your being honest about your results and business itself. Anybody with a thriving business simply has not enough time in the day, and unless you have a serious procrastination issue, I'm not sure how you're managing that many clients with the time you're spending on here.

I get a few for $500... but to give you an idea on my SUCCESS, just using PPC, every $1,000 I spend in PPC brings me $10,000 minimum

Any less and it would be stupid to continue doing PPC, as the same money could go to commercials locally that are going to bring you way more than that in revenue.

It was a little unnecessary, especially considering the amount of emails, PMs, posts, and phone calls I take every day from some warriors, offering advice and guiding some of them.

Didn't say you weren't a good guy, just in this case, you were a little over the line with some novice Warriors who might have been looking for a bit more guidance rather than harsh criticism.

I don't care about what a bank would say, I care that we all treat each other like adults, and don't bicker like 7th grade girls

Okay.. I hope you realize that you have resorted to name calling here. Perhaps you should get over yourself. I think maybe it is a matter of relativity in what you believe helpful may be. I think there are many fellow warriors who can attest to how willing I have been to help people. I'm not here to be friends with everyone, I'm here to help people go in the right direction and build a thriving business. I don't have to be kind, I get the job done. If you are too thin skinned to hear someone criticize your marketing online when you ask for a critique, then perhaps this is the wrong business for you.

Meh, maybe you're right. I never claim to be 100% right, I'm just expressing my opinions, and until SOPA passes, I'll continue doing so.

I never said, once again, you haven't been helpful in the past or in other cases, I'm talking about THIS case. And in this case, it seemed really out of line.

Criticize away, I might learn something, and by criticizing me, you only make me criticize myself, and in turn, make more money. Doesn't hurt my feelings at all


I'm pretty sure I didn't pick the fight. Thank you for your insight though.

Also, fair enough... and I did expect you to defend yourself, as you should.


Cliffnotes: Let's just agree to disagree, but in the future, maybe think how others will take what you're saying and if you would honestly sit in front of someone's face and say it to their face, because some of it came off blatantly arrogant and rude.

I apologize for what I said that hurt your feelings or persona, ego, etc... I'm a big boy, you're a big boy. Should never have gone this far.