Free Audio Here- and Letter Of Apology to Offline Warriors.

by John Durham 109 replies
Below is the free audio, but if you would; please indulge this letter. If not then dont; "You arent my market" :

Dear Warriors,

I am writing this and offering this free gift as an apology to the Offline forum.

A few months back I issued the pro 90 xtreme offline challenge, and started out the first 30 days on fire , made a lot of progress...

Then I went to a court hearing regarding an intense custody battle that blew me out of the Water on December the 7th 2011, and it meant a lot of personal changes, and I got lost, went into an emotional abyss / tailspin for the first time in years that was just a real deep funk, got distracted from my goals, and my obligations... and ultimately I failed to meet the 90 day goals.

I reset the goal twice, and I promised things and didn’t deliver... I ended up getting like 30-40 refunds for the first time ever... I let my customer service go down the drain, and basically, even though it wasn’t my intention, I disrespected my customers by falling behind, continually promising to catch up and never did.

It was a shocker to a lot of people including myself, usually Im stronger than most people I know. In fact for years I have been a solid business and even spiritual counselor. I thought I could handle ANYTHING, and Im still standing here so I guess that’s still true.

Trust me , it takes a lot to knock me down, as some of you know. This was an intense blow.

During this season I had customers telling me they were tired of my “bukll$***, instead of the usual “Thanks I made a lot of money this week due to your advice”, and they started sending me hateful emails, which I knew were not hate, but rather hurt and disappointment, so I couldn’t blame them.

Other expressed that I had hurt and disappointed them, which is even harder than the hate mail, because I really love my customers.

Sooo....Anyway, on the ninety day program...

After years of offline success, building Million dollar companies, managing hundreds of telemarketing, promoting scores of programs offline, and generally just being the best in my field, I didn’t just fail this last season (90 days). I failed “miserably”.

I failed you, and I failed myself. There was no excuse... I just got lost. Something really shattered my personal world, and all of my reasons for being John Durham seemed pointless for awhile...

I have since bounced back on the legal end to some degree, and not all hope is lost, and I am going to live to fight another day.

In any event, I REALLLY REALLY disappointed my readers this last season, and you know what?

I reaped exactly what I sowed... Isnt that always the case?

The laws never fail, even though sometimes we do... it isn’t because there aren’t laws to assist us, because they always deliver ALWAYS....whatever we sow.

When you succeed you deserve it, because you are reaping what you sow, but when you fail and people are mad at you, you usually deserve that too, because you only reap what you sow, and for that failure and negligence, I apologize.

After years of being seemingly invincible, this season I was introduced to my own personal kryptonite.

In this season I was divorced, lost my family, left with huge bills, legal fees like CRAZY, tons of travel back and forth, going through a ton of emotional distress...My bills increased and I lost half my income due to the personal distractions, maintained a big 5 bedroom house by myself, feeling alone and not wanting to have anyone over or socialize, or go anywhere, fighting CPS for custody of my grandchildren, lost a TON of customers who I don’t blame...

Ultimately, Lost a lot of respect on the WF... which is very meaningful to me because for years this has been my online family and I have enjoyed a great rep for being a top Warrior mentor here.

In short, its been a rough season, the roughest of all my 42 years, in fact rough in a way that I never even knew life could be. Seriously.

I spent almost a month just staring at a ceiling praying for answers... I felt literally emotionally paralyzed for the first time in my life, and I knew what some people meant when they felt they just couldn’t get up.

Whew! Its hard to admit this stuff , and maybe even “not smart”, but I have always been real with you and will continue to be.

Some will say “We don’t want to hear this John... Well, then you aren’t my friend. Just because Im sharing vulnerability doesn’t mean I’m not a champion. Don’t read it then.

Even lions sometimes laydown and go in a corner and lick their wounds, when they are wounded, and as my friend Dan says “Does a Lion care what an Ant thinks”? Hardly.

Anyway, moving on...

Im sending out a letter to the 90 day list today, and Im going to do what great Warriors do... when they let you down, they come back and make it up 10 times harder.

My 90 day list has already received something like 6 audios from me and 6 or 8 reports that are easily worth hundreds of dollars...

My 90 day goal is going to be more like a 6 month one it seems... in the interim Im writing them a report that will out line the entire A-Z on how to do this from start to finish so they don’t have to wait on me to succeed... Some of them already have so that’s awesome!

I can say this because I shut the program down so this isn’t spam by any means.

The people who signed up for regular emails and reports for the 90 day durations will now get audios, videos and reports for another 90 days. The value is INSANE, despite my personal set backs in this season.

To the rest of the Warrior Forum... I offer thi9s gift.

To some this gift was just an other motivational audio... to me it was the BEST audio in the whole series... and regardless of the personal set backs I experienced following this recording,. Its still true and my own results are proof of everything I say on this audio.

And Dammit, Im still a LION, just one that got wounded in battle, if you tease a Lion when he’s down, have fun, but when he gets up I hope you know how to climb trees really fast! Lol

Anyhow, I love the Warriors and the Forum... and if you don’t like sincerity, then I guess you wont like this post, but Im always going to be that, so you may not like me either... and if you jest about it...have at it... Im not pretentious. Why? Because I don’t have to be.

Most people, don’t have the offline knowledge or experience at selling in their whole body that I have in my finger... So you are just making your own self feel better, but you aren’t affecting me.

I have sold literally 50 million dollars in offline business and Im still me...


Just have been in recovery from some serious battle wounds, and still have more success stories to my name than virtually any other offliner on this forum. Not bragging just stating a true fact, and next year just as many people will succeed off the models I share here.

Where do these models come from?

Well in the call center game you usually have 5 different programs being promoted at any given time and I have ran a few of them into millions of dollars... in that process I have also analyzed and tested a TON of models, programs, scripts....systems, you name it “successfully”.

And I don’t know where you come from but “I” come from the the Warrior forum, these are my roots, and we are made of some strong fibers... Even though at one time I was just as new and starry eyed as most of you, and probably even more ignorant! Lol

So anyway.

I love you guys, please enjoy this audio, because every word of it is true, and the ninety day goals are still happening it just aint gonna be 90 days!

Still my list will get a ton of Value, if they can see past the disappointment of the initial 90 days!

In the Bible it says that when you are trapped by your own words, go and admit your wrongs and "free yourself from the hand of the fowler", so you may run like a gazzelle again, and you can live to be an inspiration for another day.

That is wisdom.

That’s what this letter is about... owning up, and clearing the air.

Yes I realize there is a mess to clean up, but this is where Im starting, Iwill lose a lot of loyalty...and I know that... there will be a lot to rebuild, and I know that, and Im willing to do that...

Some will think this is a cop out, or emotionally irrational "drivel"...and I know that... the knowing of that makes it "rational". Still, if you think that, Im willing to deal with it...

Some customers will be lost FOREVER....and I know that, my apologies, I hope you got a lot of value, even though right now all you see is disappointment.

This letter is as long as it needs to be, and I think I have said all I can say here... If it gets deleted I understand, but I think its needed, because I represent the WF to a lot of people and they need to know we aren’t cop outs who don’t own up.

I could change my Warrior name, as many do, or try to game the system, start a new account and disappear then re appear under a different name... But thats what "Posers" do, not Warriors!

This guy is tried true and altruistic not only to money but to the Warrior CAUSE!

So moving on...

Check out my free gift to you here. Every word is true!

http://www.mediafire.com/?pkuzc8rmum7iq1a


Much love,

John Durham/ Bonifide Striped Warrior
Please enjoy the Audio.


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  • Profile picture of the author Learner4life
    Hi John, you don't know me but I feel like I know you. I latched onto you almost immediately upon my arrival here at the WF and have really held on to your every word ever since joining the warrior forum. Even though I don't post much, I read lots and can say without hesitation that I have learned more from your words than from any other warrior on this forum - period! You are a legend as far as I am concerned. If I ever got a chance, I would love to sit down with you and talk (I mean listen really) to you.

    I couldn't get into the P90x because I got there too late and could have kicked myself. I knew that I had missed the opportunity of a lifetime because I so wanted to be a member of that group. It appears that it has not all gone as planned but I know this is because of the challenges that you have faced during this difficult time. I would have been happy with what you said you have given to members already, it sounds like a lot for the price for membership.

    Your true fans will be able to see through what you describe as your own failings and I wouldn't worry too much about losing loyalty or about the naysayers either, the cream always rises to the top and you have come out on top again, nuff said. Keep up the good work and please keep posting your pearls of wisdom. For newbies like me, it's nothing but PURE GOLD!!!

    Enough ranting from me, I better get on as I try to navigate this offline jungle that I love so much. I haven't made any money yet but this was largely due to the fact that I was not taking action on what I had learned because I had a JOB that was killing me and I couldn't focus. I'm free now from the job having lost it and have to make my new life work so I am excited about the future. I am sure I can get there with your help and with the help of some of the other Warrior Soldiers here. Just keep on keeping on John, you know how many people you help so I don't have to remind you. Can I imagine the WF without John Durham? I don't think so!

    P.S Thanks for the free audio. I'm gonna listen to it right now.
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    • Profile picture of the author mikesdream
      John, this is another reason why I've always felt you were one of the most sincere, giving, and truly, truly caring warriors on the WF. I don't know if you remember, but, I made a post in this section of WF a few months ago about issuing a "challenge" to successful warriors to help me make some, much-needed, money because I'm the sole caregiver for my sick, elderly father and I was losing my job at christmastime and you gave me the advice (and a free report, that we all got here!) to call 100-200 small businesses with less than 5 employees and sell them on web design (this is the short version of what you advised). Well, due to the issues, I've been faced with in caring for my father (and other life-challenging things) I didn't get to put your advice into play until january and I havn't been able to consistently make 100 calls a day yet, but, I've made money EVERY time I've done it! From the very first day I pushed myself to follow your advice Ive succeeded in landing a meeting with at least 1 business owner within those 100 calls and my closing rate is like 70%! This "success" I've finally begun to achieve after my 3 years here would not be happenng right now, if not for you having the ability to light the fire that's been dying to be lit in me (in all of us!) that I'm now just beginning to run with!

      And now after reading this incredibly heart-wrenching "apology" (as far as I'm concerned there's no reason to apologize for being a vulnerable human with a heart!) and listening to what you've gone through these past few months and knowing what you must have been going through at the time I made my post in november, and yet you still took the time to offer sincere and doable help to this complete stranger to try and alleviate some of his own financial burdens makes me respect and admire you so much more! You, mr. Durham, are a truly wonderful human being and I, for one, cannot thank you nearly enough for what you've brought, and continue to bring, to this magnificent forum! This post couldn't have been easy for you, I'm sure. You're immense courage is commendable!

      Welcome back! Thanks for this latest gift (and not just the audio)!) Hope to have you back for good!

      Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Much Love my friend. Thank you. I hope you enjoy the audio and your words are humbling. I know that teaching here is a great responsibility, not just a glory; and a glory it IS, and honor, because this is the greatest marketing forum on the entire planet earth!
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  • Profile picture of the author globalpro
    John,

    It's like the old saying, 'life is what happens when you are busy making plans'.

    I appreciate you taking the time to post here. Goes a long way to being real and transparent. In the end I think whatever trust has been lost on behalf of those that feel you failed them can be regained by making every effort you can to do the right thing.

    Having followed you here on the forum, I feel you will come through fine.

    I do empathize with what you posted about the cause for falling down. Somehow when it hits right at home, it's always the toughest. Having lost my wife of 31 years last August, it can make life very tough, but like the Hebrew saying, 'life is for the living'.

    All the best my friend as you rebuild.

    Thanks,

    John

    PS I forget where I read it originally at, but I always think of the phrase 'fall down six times, get up seven'.

    PPS I guess it shows I am fond of sayings.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheCG
    John, some people have been where you were and understand that sometimes things happen.

    I have never really understood people that become so hateful and just plain mean over a product. There are channels to go through if you do not get what you feel like you paid for so use those and keep some measure of civility because you never know, one day you might be the one in need of a little compassion.

    In just the last few months I have also emerged from the darkest place of my life and I, like you, have come out of it all stronger and much wiser.

    Good to have you back.

    Now let's get to work!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    John, thank you for the understanding. I know all wont but I appreciate that you do... I hope you are doing better now, and will hold you in the light.

    Your post reminds me of what someone said on the forum the other day quoting the great philosopher "Mike Tyson" -

    "Everybody has a plan...- till they get punched in the mouth"!lol

    Move over Plato!

    Thanks CG, and I hope you have found your way out of the abyss and back to shore. If I can be there for you let me know. Im out of "Thanks for the day unfortunately but I will come back when I have some again ... Thanks friend.

    Its a sob story I know, but its all I have to offer - The truth.

    I have worked through dark times before but this one was REALLY harsh, and I lost it and went into a tail spin.

    Ps. I have to also add guys that "Failure is just a road sign on the way to success". Its not my first. Show me a man who is afraid to fail, and I show you one who will never succeed.

    I have endured as much failure as success in my life, its a part of the equation, just like in telemarketing. Just that this is the first time doing it publicly.
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    • Profile picture of the author globalpro
      John

      John, thank you for the understanding. In know all wont but I appreciate that you do... I hope you are doing better now, and will hold you in the light.
      Thank you, am doing fine now. Every once in a while I think back, but am saying focused and moving ahead. For what it's worth, I know she's with the Lord, is happy and doing fine. Is what consoles me the most.

      Your post reminds me of what someone said on the forum the other day quoting the great philosopher "Mike Tyson" -

      "Everybody has a plan...- till they get punched in the mouth"!lol

      Move over Plato!
      Good one John, Mike has a way with words.

      I think by posting here, some will understand, others won't, be it sounds like you are well on your way to getting back on top of things.

      All the best, and look forward to having you around again.

      Thanks,

      John
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      • Profile picture of the author ryanmckinney
        Originally Posted by globalpro View Post

        John



        Thank you, am doing fine now. Every once in a while I think back, but am saying focused and moving ahead. For what it's worth, I know she's with the Lord, is happy and doing fine. Is what consoles me the most.



        Good one John, Mike has a way with words.

        I think by posting here, some will understand, others won't, be it sounds like you are well on your way to getting back on top of things.

        All the best, and look forward to having you around again.

        Thanks,

        John
        That was this guy (quoting the plan and the punch.. and.. the mouth etc etc)

        Ryan
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by ryanmckinney View Post

          That was this guy (quoting the plan and the punch.. and.. the mouth etc etc)

          Ryan
          DUH??!!! That was John? My bad.... Well John I guess you reminded me of yourself! Way to be consistently You! lol

          Sorry about your wife I know that has got to be tough after all those years. Its amazing how even the most successful people or the ones who you would never guess still have to go through the pains of being human.

          Sometimes we think we are invincible, but then something comes along that ... Well...Is like getting punched in the mouth by Mike Tyson, and we are down for the count...You can take alot of punches but when a Tyson punch comes, you are going to be on the ground for a few minutes no matter who you are.

          I watched my friend David make tens of millions of dollars and still go through deep pain from other things in life... I guess none of us can escape that from time to time.

          Kahlil Gibran says that while joy sleeps with you on your pillow, sadness sleeps at the foot of your bed...and that we can only contain as much joy as the hole carved by sadness can hold... and that we can hardly know the depths of one without the other... Maybe thats true or maybe not, but Im sure even Bill Gates has issues from time to time.

          In either event, I dont see a whole lot of gain coming from these things... It honestly looks ,like alot of loss...However, Im sure as time passes there must be some, and perhaps its carving out a bigger hole that can hold even more joy.

          In truth, when I have my grandsons next to me, it will be more joy than ever after all of this.

          Ryan, thanks for sharing... I hate it that you had those times, but its good to know that it happens even to the best of us. I appreciate you guys putting yourselves out there and sharing... You are a champ in my book.

          Yeah I think of warrior comrads like men in arms together, in the trenches, fighting the good fight together. This place has been somewhat of a "Pool of Bethesda" for those who understand, for me alot of times, and people like you are the reason.

          At the rug man - You are the best man! Cant say enough about you and your consistent encouragement. Much love to you brother. For real.

          At Mikes dream - THAT IS AWESOME TO HEAR!!

          Man thats great. Im glad this stuff is working for you. It really will if you work it. This isnt theory its the real stuff, it isnt rehash, its stuff that has been tested and proven- however, you are in the top 5% in that you actually put things into action and found out for yourself.

          Someone once told me Mike "If you will learn to pick up that phone then you will always have what you need and you will never have to bow or be a slave to another man again", and he was right! so glad you have found that for yourself through these teachings! Awesome man. How encouraging!

          At MassiveRay - Wow, thats awesome! Once you start doing this stuff $1,000 or $10,000 or $30,000 is just a matter of how much you want to duplicate what works. Good going on your goals! I guess it goes without saying that you have surpassed myself in the last ninety days on this stuff, and thats a joy to hear!


          Not to be sappy, but I love you guys! Thanks for the Nods. And again, I hope you enjoy the audio.

          Lots more to come in the future!

          On another note:

          Thanks guys for bein so cool about this. I honest expected haters to come out of the woodwork halfway... but you guys beat them to the punch! That is really awesome, although I am open to understanding haters on this too, because in truth I did not deliver, but in the future and present I will always strive to deliver as much value as I can muster!

          I know a simple apology only appeals to those whome it appeals to, and the damage is not totally fixed, but its where Im starting.

          Ps. The project isnt over, just way delayed in some areas, still it wasnt what was promised or intended, for that I apologize.
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          • Profile picture of the author writer2009
            Hello John,

            I was not a part of that program so I was not directly affected. But after reading your post, I completely understand how those events would impact you.

            I've only read good things about you on this forum. In my opinion, this post is a sign of a true professional.
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          • Profile picture of the author ryanmckinney
            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

            Sorry about your wife I know that has got to be tough after all those years. Its amazing how even the most successful people or the ones who you would never guess still have to go through the pains of being human.

            I use to always joke post divorce: "Life's a bit** then you marry one and die, well, hell, all I got left is to die - I am half way there!" (and for the love of all that is loveable for the softies: I am being facetious)

            Coping mechanism? I am sure. Joke a lot, kid a lot etc. This was years ago. The wounds since then have healed, and in some twisted sick way , it was for the better. Why? I found IM. (oh and my current main squeeze lol)

            Glad a bunch of people didn't come flame you (yet).

            I am still looking to get fired, whenever you get the time, and being forced into cold calling.

            Ryan
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            • Profile picture of the author David Miller
              I'm also very glad you're back John, and sorry to say that I am one of the people that got refunded.....although I know that there is NO way I would have sent a nasty email to you....I thought there had to be a reason but nothing that would require words to make whatever was happening to you worse.

              I haven't listened to the audio yet, but I will. But about your letter:

              I'm not going to explain what I'm going to say here. Just that for my own very personal reasons, what you wrote is of far more value to me than any of your other posts.

              Thanks!
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              • Profile picture of the author globalpro
                Originally Posted by David Miller View Post

                I'm not going to explain what I'm going to say here. Just that for my own very personal reasons, what you wrote is of far more value to me than any of your other posts.
                Well said David. I guess we can consider this the premier of John Durham v2.0.

                Thanks,

                John
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                • Profile picture of the author mikesdream
                  Wow, Mojo, thanks for that tip! I've had a free warriorplus account for awhile now and hadn't really explored it, so I didn't know I could retrieve some of my past wso purchases. I found John's telemarketing war report vol. 3 in there too and to my delight realized that a free upgrade ($97 value-priceless IMO!) to gold member status came with it, but I had never emailed admin to get my upgrade. Just emailed!

                  John, I just emailed Nicole at the specified email address to get my upgrade and now thoroughly combing through the report again!

                  Thanks a mil, Mojo!

                  Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author believemarketing
    I listened.... it's good, especially if you feel like you are heavy laden and down....

    John Durham: Sow magical seeds and reap magical harvest....
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  • Profile picture of the author rugman
    OK John - The Rugman Speaks! You DID NOT let us down! Anybody that did not stick by you let YOU down! My post the other day was - "anybody hear from John?" - concern - not anger. No refund request from me my friend - ever. You give more than most on the WF. I am going through much the same - maybe worse (I may PM you the details cause it really sux!). I have a saying - one that I pass on to my kids (explained if I do PM you why I use this). "That what does not kill you makes you stronger" - yep - I didn't come up with it but lately I have had to live by it - trust me.
    I do not know you personally - I will tell you this my friend - call me (I will give you all my numbers) and you can yell - vent and call me names all day - you can video skype me and we can drink beer together and swap notes - that is what IT is all about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Sometimes it ain't about business and making money!
    Keep that faith brother!
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanmckinney
    JD,

    I know exactly where you are coming from brother, I too, while on active duty in 2008, went through the same struggles. The only difference was, an E-4, broke, wife left me, no kids, damn "dog ran away", the "car broke down" all of that crap. I had to fight CPS as well, and not because of my doing. I was double tapped. CPS and The Marines, if CPS put me through something, the Marines put me through the same crap!

    I went into a down ward spiral, and fast. I couldn't sleep if 12 beers were not in me, I couldn't function. On top of that, I was still expected to maintain this 'high' performance that of a U.S. Marine, of which was in a slow decline.

    I was lost, confused, angry, all of that. If it wasn't for the Marines on my right and left , I am not sure where I would be right now. Maybe in a gutter with a needle in my arm, maybe not. So leaning on Warriors, is something we both can relate on, just different "kinds".

    While the bond between Marines may be slightly different, than "Warriors" on the WF, there is a bond none-the-less, and both can be called Warriors.

    I have only have been hear a short time, and I have learned a lot from you in your very informative posts.

    Glad you are back in action (as I am sure many are), and good for you to admitting what was "wronged" and trying to make it "right". I am sure 98% of those people will understand. (I do remember some post asking where you were, etc).

    Welcome back, ready to get some more "free learnin'" from your posts!

    Ryan
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  • Profile picture of the author massiveray
    Yo John,

    First off, I'm on the 90 day list so looking forward to the training manuals when you get around to them.

    Second, the content so far has been awesome, I have started a business that this month is on target to make me £9,000 + my residuals, I am doing a lot of the sales myself as I have no idea how to train people to do this. I was already on my way before I bought your program, but it really did give me some focus and changed my mindset on how to go about things and overall has made my business a massive success.

    I guess the point of this message is to say, don't worry about letting people down, you have helped me to make over 30k in the past couple of months and I know I wouldn't have reached this level this quickly without your course.

    I also got the telemarketing report with gold membership wso, and downloaded a free copy of the bower formula from your forum, my telesales guys have no problem selling this model and it's raking in £££££

    Good to see you back on track, if you need anything you know where I am.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Alexander
    Hey John,

    First, I have no idea about most of what you were talking about (your product challenge?) but I wanted to say something quick (I haven't listened to your audio either).

    It takes a real man to say and share what you said. (I'm not a fan of cowards—although I still struggle with being one on occasion...)

    A real man finds a way, a loser finds excuses. So whatever the other stuff was (warrior related) good for you for taking care of it.

    What made me want to comment was your personal stress. You're not alone brother. Not alone. Take heart. You may not know why, or understand how it's even possible that all this could happen, but you will (and are) coming out something bigger and stronger.

    More people have been there than I suspect most would guess.

    Now, I'm off to go put down my Hallmark coffee-table book.
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  • Profile picture of the author Qamar
    Being divorced is really painful and can be paralyzing. Only the strongest mind can withstand the sufferings of losing their once happy family, most people will crumble.....

    I am glad you are OK John and hopefully your story will be a motivational factor to those Warriors who are undergoing similar experience like yours. Good luck!


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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
    Hello John:

    I don't spend a whole lot of time on the forum and am not on your list.

    However, from what you have written here, I certainly hope that we connect at some point.

    It is clear that you care about your clients and your students. I will take some time to listen to your audio, even though I was not in your course.

    May God richly bless you,
    CT
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    • Profile picture of the author mikesdream
      We love you too, John!

      So, John, now that you're back maybe you can help me put together what I want to sell next utelizing your cold-calling method you taught me.

      Here's what's going on with dad and I. We live in the beautiful city of San Francisco, CA, pop. 750,000+. My sister lives in a little place called Burley, ID, pop. 9,000+. Now, the reason I bring this up is that my sister just remarried in Idaho and she and my 6 nieces and nephews are moving into her new husband's house a couple town's over from Burley. She offered her house to dad and I, if we wanted to relocate to Burley, ID, and after discussing it in depth and weighing all the pros and cons, we've decided to make the move (dad's really excited to be near his grandkids again!)). It's gonna be tough leaving my beloved San Francisco (especially with baseball season getting ready to start!), but the move is just too right from a purely fiscal sense, not to mention it'll be nice to be so close to my sister and my nieces and nephews too.

      So, as of a week from tomorrow I will be moving from a city of 750,000+ to a town of 9,000+, so the opportunity to sell web design locally is going to change dramatcally. Not to mention, I've really wanted to expand my services repertoire anyhow.

      What I'd really like to do is exactly what Marc V. is doing, btw I, too, am a member of your telemarketing forum (mikesdream-same as here), and get into the lead gen biz for insurance agents. About a year or so ago I bought a wso of yours that detailed exactly how to generate and sell these leads to insurance agents and also how to close the insurance agents on buying my leads from me on a monthly basis. I'm not sure if it was the same wso bought, but I remember you also went into detail as to how best to hire top-knotch telemarketers from sites like career builder and monster (just like you mentioned in Marc's thread tonight-that's what triggered the memory of this or these wso(s) I bought from you in the past). Unfortunately, I don't have any of these awesome wso's I purchased from you in the past anymore because I lost most everything I had stored in my harddrive a few months ago when I got frigging virus! I had to take my computer to a repair guy and he did what he could to save what he could, but most everything was lost.

      Anyway, I would love it if you could help me put this biz together, so that I can hit the phones in Burley, ID and kick butt with this inurance agent lead gen biz!

      Please, let me know, John. Thanks.

      SO GREAT TO HAVE YOU BACK!!!)

      Mike
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      • Profile picture of the author mojo1
        Originally Posted by mikesdream View Post

        Unfortunately, I don't have any of these awesome wso's I purchased from you in the past anymore because I lost most everything I had stored in my harddrive a few months ago when I got frigging virus! I had to take my computer to a repair guy and he did what he could to save what he could, but most everything was lost.

        Mike
        Hi Mike and other Warriors,

        To retrieve your previous WSO purchases made via Paypal, create a free account at warriorplus.com and you will be able to see all of your past WSO purchases. Only those purchases made via Paypal will show up on this list though.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ray Erdmann
            John,

            I've been away from WF for some time and like it was mentioned, didn't know about your 'challenge' and/or that you had fallen behind on whatever promises you made regarding that challenge!

            HOWEVER

            After reading your OP, I can see that what ever it was that knocked you down, you've managed to overcome adversity and are now moving forward with rebuilding (if that's the right word to use in this situation?) and I applaud you for that!

            I know what it's like to have your world rocked upside-down, as something similar hit me back in 02'...and how I managed to live through it...even with a loaded 9MM in my hand at one point in time and not really caring about life or ANYONE for that matter...I give all my praise and "thank you's" to the Big Man Upstairs for allowing me to get through that dark time in my life and still being able to take a breath today!

            While my internet business is still far from being where I want it to be, I'm just thankful for the woman I now have in my life, the support of an 'adoptive family/in-laws' and everything else I can't think of right now!

            If there was ever someone who could rebound from such an unfortunate turn of events, and completely turn things around, it's YOU!

            I'm downloading the audio file now as I type this and my ears look forward to hearing everything and anything!

            To your continued success!
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            • Profile picture of the author John Durham
              Originally Posted by Ray Erdmann View Post

              John,

              I've been away from WF for some time and like it was mentioned, didn't know about your 'challenge' and/or that you had fallen behind on whatever promises you made regarding that challenge!

              HOWEVER

              After reading your OP, I can see that what ever it was that knocked you down, you've managed to overcome adversity and are now moving forward with rebuilding (if that's the right word to use in this situation?) and I applaud you for that!

              I know what it's like to have your world rocked upside-down, as something similar hit me back in 02'...and how I managed to live through it...even with a loaded 9MM in my hand at one point in time and not really caring about life or ANYONE for that matter...I give all my praise and "thank you's" to the Big Man Upstairs for allowing me to get through that dark time in my life and still being able to take a breath today!

              While my internet business is still far from being where I want it to be, I'm just thankful for the woman I now have in my life, the support of an 'adoptive family/in-laws' and everything else I can't think of right now!

              If there was ever someone who could rebound from such an unfortunate turn of events, and completely turn things around, it's YOU!

              I'm downloading the audio file now as I type this and my ears look forward to hearing everything and anything!

              To your continued success!
              Ah, Ray, My ole friend,

              Your story reminds me of Og Mandino's. He was staring at a gun the same way not long before he became one of the most successful people, then motivators in history.

              My grandmother taught me something... "Hope". No matter how many times you fall, if you are always hoping for the next thing, then your life is passionate , and that is what its all about. Staying excited and passionate. Success can always lie just around the next bend, or even the next, but you never know whats around the next bend unless you turn it!
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              • Profile picture of the author Ray Erdmann
                Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

                Ah, Ray, My ole friend,

                Your story reminds me of Og Mandino's. He was staring at a gun the same way not long before he became one of the most successful people, then motivators in history.

                My grandmother taught me something... "Hope". No matter how many times you fall, if you are always hoping for the next thing, then your life is passionate , and that is what its all about. Staying excited and passionate. Success can always lie just around the next bend, or even the next, but you never know whats around the next bend unless you turn it!
                Johh,
                I've never given up "hope"...thankfully!

                But at the same time, I've not gone looking for the 'success' I know I can obtain! Guess that's the 'fear of failure' which resides in all of us to a certain degree! ;-)

                Tried going back to the TMF and could neither remember my user-name/password, nor the email I used to originally sign up with...What should I do?

                PS: Reading your thread about "directory listings" and can't wait to see how much more info you and the others share! WOW...is all I can say about that topic at the moment! ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author racso316
    Hey John, sorry to hear. I'm glad you're feeling better. Downloading the audio. Thanks so much
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  • Profile picture of the author StevieJK
    John,

    Wow, what an emotional post. I am sorry you had to go through all of that. I understand.

    Don't worry, I think I speak for most of the fellow warriors in saying that will always be one of the big players in the WF and have provided so much value in your posts - we are ever grateful!

    Steve.
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  • Profile picture of the author payoman
    Thanks for sharing John, this post was great and I have downloaded the audio, but I want to share something else for the readers too...

    This is for ALL men who are considering marriage.

    I will not judge John for what has happened, but it is obvious he did not opt for a pre-nuptial agreement in his marriage.

    Although I have never been married, I HAVE been heavily involved in the dating and seduction niche for many years and have seen many men suffer the same financial problems brought on by divorce.

    I would advise ALL men to check out this blog on relationships, marriage, dating and being a succesful entrepreneur too :

    The Blackdragon Blog

    The writer of that blog went through the same thing, and has sworn it his mission to help guys avoid the MASSIVE potential losses of a marriage without a pre-nup.

    Again, no offense intended to John in his situation, it simply reminded me of this blog which I wanted to share.
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  • Profile picture of the author LasseKohau
    Great to have you back in the old JD style attitude.

    I have known John, not as a friend - but as a contributor and teacher at offline world issues and especially, telemarketing.

    There is no doubt, that John has had a very rough time, during the last year, but that doesnt make him a fall back !

    I personally dont know of many people in the offline world, that has Johns skills for teacing, guiding and sharing awesome programs and giving high exceptional feedback, worth 1000 of dollars in the offline for free in this forum.

    He has contributed to grow this offline subforum in WF and has shared advice and businessmodels, which can keep you busy for the rest of your life, and of course - make you financial independent.

    Dear John, Its great to have you back - and looking forward to seeing you at the top of the mountain again, where you have been so many times.

    All my respect,
    Lasse
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  • Profile picture of the author reactiontm
    While the wound is still fresh, I would strongly encourage you to document the last few months in EXCRUCIATING detail.

    Take note of what stopped you, what shut you down, the soul-searching, the self-doubt/questioning, how you recovered, the little victories, basically- the way through, and out, of the woods...

    This is the true gold.

    Think about how strong you were BEFORE you went through this. You mentioned it yourself. Now, realize that most of the people you deal with are substantially weaker than you.

    And remember that in your dealings with them.

    One of the fundamental problems with most experts is that they forget their trials and tribulations. And that lack of empathy makes them less effective as teachers and leaders.

    And take note of the subtle but vast difference betwen empathy and commiseration.

    Most of the people you work with wouldnever have made it back, so to speak.

    Many would fall to much less serious setbacks.

    Certainly, most would not have recovered as quickly as you.

    Remembering this situation will make you a dramatically better teacher than you were just a few months ago, if you'll let it.

    Looks like you've already begun.

    Best to you in the days ahead.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hugh
    Welcome back, John. I know of what you speak.
    Happened to me 20 some years ago. After that,
    the only way was up. Prayer doesn't make it
    easy, but it does make it possible.

    Hugh
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Hugh View Post

      Welcome back, John. I know of what you speak.
      Happened to me 20 some years ago. After that,
      the only way was up. Prayer doesn't make it
      easy, but it does make it possible.

      Hugh
      Prayer may not change the way the world goes round, but when I pray it changes "me". Thats what your post reminded me of. Thanks.

      Wow guys, thanks for all the great posts. Im going to go grab a coffee and come back and respond to everyone in kind.

      Yes , coming through a funk like this does open your eyes more to your customers in the strangest ways...and the way you have done things... Im absolutely going to be alot better marketer this year for sure.

      Going from being a strictly offliner to having over 3,000 customers ONLINE within a year or two, alot of things go by so fast that they get hazy... and you dont really see that coming, and you make ALOT of mistakes along the way, speaking from a strictly marketing perspective...

      BUt...

      Losing it, getting into a tail spin, and having to really look closely at what you have done over that time, in that haze of online success flying by at warp speed... Really opens your eyes.

      I feel that looking over my customer service issues in the past few days has been a real epiphany. I have had a hard look at how I have done things, and they werent all bad, but now a couple of years later... Im wiser, and I would have done alot of things alot differently if I could take this experience back in time, ie; becoming a WF mentor, and not just tried and true participant, for lack of a better term.

      I almost wish I could start my telemarketing forum completely over as a matter of fact...

      Anyway, to be an inspiration here: I must tell you that, its amazing what you see from this vantage point that you didnt see at first.

      I was actually a member here since 98 or 99... even though its says I joined in 2007. I lost my password after a year hiatus and forgot it... and they had moved the forum to a new format and URL, so I just started a new account.

      It was only after a short bann a couple of years ago that I even USED a sig at all. In fact I was idealistic about being "against" having them.

      I was completely ignorant of what a sig or online sales could mean for a mere telemarketing trainer, or the people he shared with... Plus I saw no personal need. I was successful offline, and didnt see why I should need to make sales at the place where I came to relax and learn and read...

      Now that I see how many lives it has affected for the positive it blows me away still every day...

      In any event though I did it all from scratch and forum marketing ignorance...

      Even after my first 500 customers I still didnt see the big picture, and now I do, alot more clearly...but the foundation I laid wasnt laid with all this knowledge.

      Yes guys, its been a huge epiphany taking a hiatus and looking at things.

      What I meant to say about getting banned for a month a couple of years ago was that I was forced to read the WF for a month without participating and things started coming together.

      Prior to that people were asking me to write reports and I remember distinctly saying to myself "Its not worth it, I may as well just share in my posts"...

      Didnt have a clue... I still share in posts obviously, and try to do that more than write reports, in fact in the last two days I have written more than a 20 page report here in the forum just giving advice probably...

      Despite that lack of forsight in laying this foundation, it has been a phenomenal thing doing this, and again it has went by fast and furious and almost blinding...

      This time away has been a bit like that 30 day bann (for complaining about the mods) a couple of years ago, again I have looked at the body of what I have done here, and though there is a ton of good...MAN I WISH I WOULD HAVE SEEN THINGS MORE$ CLEARLY two years ago when I started doing these reports off the cuff...

      I have to wonder if other experienced marketers have been through a similar epiphany.

      Yes, we are really going to quantum leap this stuff this year.

      There is alot I will do differently for sure. There is alot of untapped potential and alot of ways I could better serve my customers more efficiently that I hadnt seen before.

      Lol. Hindsight is 20/20 huh.

      Will come back in a few and spend an hours or two on this thread today. Posting with you guys has been great over the past day or so...

      Maybe its weird to hear an experienced marketer (primarily offline) say these things, but in two years, again success at report writing and menotring, based on my offline experiences, has just flown by at lightening speed...

      Stopping, even though due to unfortunate circumstances, and really looking at things , as opposed to constantly having a ball of fire in your hands like a hot potato (seriously juggling 3000 regular, repeat customers with an ignorant foundation laid is like always having a hot potato in your hand and it grows more that way exponentially, depending on how you laid the foundation), has really opened my eyes to some things, so in contrast to the funk, the polarity is amazing this afternoon... I am even having trouble assimilating all I have noted here.

      Actually its more like 5,000. Im only counting TMF forum members.

      BRB Fellas and felletes!

      Ps. No need to be pretentious, I share EVERYTHING, all along the way... even at the risk of exposing some of my ignorance here and there, because whatever enlightens me I want to use to enlighten you all as well, because you, in my mind, as the report buyers are just as important in the equation as me..., and the purpose of writing is to help people achieve what I achieve or even more. I want to share these things.

      I will call this my "cathartic" thread! Very much personally cleansing, and yet still relevant I believe.
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      • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
        John you’re amazing to come back to the forum and post this thread. Lesser people would of disappeared and never be heard from again. You are an inspiration to so many around here. I could really care less about the detractors in the forum. Most of those people will never make it, on or offline looking for the magic formula. Any Detractors should remember one thing “ People in glass houses should not cast the first stone.”
        You are strong and will be back. You have turned the lives around for many people on both forums. I have seen people here put your information into practice and today they are successful. One day I hope to join them and you.

        The information in the first email was worth the price IMHO. Life tests every one of us in the strangest ways. Back in August after a storm everything I owned was ruined by a Hurricane. Take heart you still have a roof over your head. The people in the Mid West lost everything to the Tornados’ recently. I’m glad to see that did not happen to you. I know you will pass the test and become even a better person.

        Welcome back to the warrior forum and wishing you all the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author Magman
    John -

    I've dropped you a couple PMs in the telemarketing forum, and some note somewhere else, and all of those notes were before I read this thread.

    I'm one of your Pro90xtreme customers. I've also bought and used your other products.

    Let me tell you, I'm one of those four or five percent that you preach about who doesn't need to have my hand held to get things done. I don't need your complete program. I don't care (well, I do care a little) whether you're totally on top of things. I don't care whether you ever complete the Pro90 program. It would help, of course, but you've already given me all I need to accomplish what I want to accomplish.

    I also totally understand how you've been devastated in your personal life. And I understand what it takes to pull yourself up from the depths of depression and press on.

    I will also say this from my own experience. Once you catch on to some hook (and it's different for each of us) and get back on track, I think you'll experience what I've experienced. It's almost like you're a different person ... like what you experienced in terms of how debilitating it has been is almost unreal ... like it happened, but it really didn't happen like you experienced it.

    All that being said, I hope you take the time to read my PMs and get in touch with me. Here's why:

    If you're ready (and you may not be ... who knows what's going on between your ears or where you are emotionally) I can give you an avenue to take all your knowledge and begin to apply it from an entirely different angle.

    I am taking your info and applying it offline in my own way. I don't need anything more from you to make what I'm doing successful, but taking what I've learned from you and applying it is like taking a middle school education to master's level implementation. It can be done, but its waaaay inefficient.

    Do you want to get out of your funk? Do you want something to inspire you to come back from your depression? Do you want something that will let you move from where you are to a position of new growth and perhaps launch an entirely innovative inspiring direction?

    Then follow my PM from the telemarketing forum and call me.

    You may not be there yet. I understand. It takes a while to pull oneself up from the overwhelming depths of depression. But if you're ready, this may be it.

    I'm going to get a little grandiose now, but I think it's appropriate. And for those reading this, take note.

    The stuff you teach is exactly the kind of things necessary to make America great again, and create jobs. All the politicians have it wrong. It's not the big companies that will pull us out. It's the little guys, who seek out the needs and desires of those who have the ability to pay (value), and need to hire people to deliver that value.

    Okay. Enough said. What I've written will either resonate with you or it won't. It's not my responsibility to persuade you about anything. All I can do is lay it out there.

    If you want to contact me, check your PMs on the telemarketing forum. I've given you my phone number. If not. If' you're in a different place, that's okay.

    I give you my thanks for what I've received from you already. It's all I need.

    Scott Collins
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  • Profile picture of the author Magman
    Just one more word on this ...

    John, you may not realize this, but you are the kind of person most people want in their lives.

    After 50 years, I realize I am better at choosing my friends than I have ever been. I may be wrong about you, because all I know about you is what I've learned online.

    But it seems to me that you are the kind of person I want to be around as I go through the next (and perhaps final) phase of my life.

    You seem to have a great deal of personal integrity.

    You appear to be kind and considerate.

    You portray a spiritual side that seems to transcend the "what's in it for me" mentality that pervades much of our culture.

    I have reached a point in my life where I have accumulated a lot of "been there, done that" experiences. Now I am seeking experiences that I can look back to in my twilight years and say to myself, "that was worthwhile." Mostly, I have grown to understand, the "worthwhile" aspect revolves around the individuals involved.

    Without knowing more about you, you do appear to be one of those individuals who would contribute to those "worthwhile" experiences, because you appear to be a "worthwhile" person.

    That's all I have to say.
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    That's my boy. Good on you John.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy James
    John, been trying to skype/email/PM you for a while. I know we don't know each other well, but, I have felt a connection to you since we had some good chats last year. We shared heart to heart on a few matters.

    I fell like I personally owe you, and want to be your FRIEND, not just some internet guy that talks to you occasionally.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Jeremy James View Post

      John, been trying to skype/email/PM you for a while. I know we don't know each other well, but, I have felt a connection to you since we had some good chats last year. We shared heart to heart on a few matters.

      I fell like I personally owe you, and want to be your FRIEND, not just some internet guy that talks to you occasionally.
      If you guys really dont mind this... honestly its for my offline family more than off topic. I will go on here... Dont make fun of me or I will write some blind copy thats irresistible and sell you a report thats secretly designed to make you go bankrupt! Lol -JK

      If you would rather read some good start up business advice check here: http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...ml#post5823493

      @JJ

      Same here Jeremy, I got tons of appreciation for you too bro, seriously and have enjoyed our interactions immensely... The thing is...I dont even call my own Grandmother as much as I should. lol In my offline life, half the people I know and even Love, feel cheated because I dont call enough... and that IS a shame, because I have some good people in my life. I just dont like people seeing me down emotionally, because I feel a spiritual duty to be what I love being, an inspiration wherever possible.

      Really need to work on that. Especially going through times like in recent times... You have friends that want to be there for you and they are all frustrated because you dont reach out when all they want is to be a help to you... they dont want to take anything, they only want to keep in touch.

      I really need to let go and reach out to my friends more, because its truly an honor for ANYONE to want to be your friend.

      Im so used to my employees being my only friends outside of family for the last ten years, that I often jest and say "I have to pay people to be my friend" lol.

      Its hard to talk on an interpersonal level in a season when you feel like you dont have much good to say... and recently thats been the case here.

      In fact, the last time we chatted, was right at the beginning of this ordeal... Its been going on for that long.

      Even with David Weinberg, my best Bud of twenty years, our main conversations are about business and motivation... because I cant seem to get connected to the personal part of myself lately , and so I focus on making money, teaching offline business models, and helping my Kids... which is business of sorts.

      Anyway,

      Please dont take that to mean I dont think of you the same way bro... Will get on skype some in coming days. Sorry if I have been taking your friendship for granted,

      Michael Hiles is another person who has been a truly huge quality friend to me and I should stay in touch with him more too... He has even been a mentor to me both personally and in business... Even prayed for me and spiritually counseled me... and enlightened me. I have just been so locked up that for months all I could do was business to keep from going insane, until that even broke recently.

      But Im bouncin back! Got to!

      This is Kind of a "come to Jesus" meeting for me here in this thread I guess, and there are still lots of people to respond to. I hope it doesnt get on you guy's nerves if I really do respond to everyone here with so many great thoughts they have inspired, and what they have been generous enough to share in response to this thread... You may get sick of seeing it at the top of the board for the next day or so, but I will try to wind it up in the next couple of days.

      Thanks for indulging this guys...

      Such is the "True. Non Pretentious Journey of An Alleged Offline Warrior Guru..." or 'The boy who flew too high'...". Having a knack for Offline isnt everything.

      We are just gonna keep flyin though and get some fire proof wings! .lol:p

      I have too much good experience not to share it passionately.

      Another quote from Kahlil here which seems appropriate:

      On Reason and Passion

      " ...Your reason and your passion are the rudder and the sails of your seafaring soul. If either your sails or your rudder be broken, you can but toss and drift, or else be held at a standstill in mid-seas.
      For reason, ruling alone, is a force confining; and passion, unattended, is a flame that burns to its own destruction.

      Therefore let your soul exalt your reason to the height of passion, that it may sing;
      And let it direct your passion with reason, that your passion may live through its own daily resurrection, and like the phoenix rise above its own ashes...."





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      • Profile picture of the author mikesdream
        Hey, John, after redownloading your war report vol. 3 (awesome btw!)) that I originally purchased when it first came out, I saw that I get a free upgrade to TMF gold member as a bonus, all I had to do was email Nicole, so I did that early this morning and still havn't heard back yet. I'd really like to get in there and download some leads and really go to town tomorrow, armed with the knowledge I received from vol. 3 (not to mention the confidence I've been empowered with in selling the web design stuff recently, thanks to your teachings!)).

        I have NO doubt in my mind that I'm going to have even more success with this than I've had with selling the web design!

        Could you please look into it for me. My TMF username is also mikesdream. If you need my email addy let me know.

        Thanks a mil!

        Mike
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by mikesdream View Post

          Hey, John, after redownloading your war report vol. 3 (awesome btw!)) that I originally purchased when it first came out, I saw that I get a free upgrade to TMF gold member as a bonus, all I had to do was email Nicole, so I did that early this morning and still havn't heard back yet. I'd really like to get in there and download some leads and really go to town tomorrow, armed with the knowledge I received from vol. 3 (not to mention the confidence I've been empowered with in selling the web design stuff recently, thanks to your teachings!)).

          I have NO doubt in my mind that I'm going to have even more success with this than I've had with selling the web design!

          Could you please look into it for me. My TMF username is also mikesdream. If you need my email addy let me know.

          Thanks a mil!

          Mike
          Already got you this afternoon Mike! You should be good!

          Ps. Insurance Leads should be a fun no brainer by comparison. You got this!

          I feel like Im still in a call center managing five different programs lol.
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          • Profile picture of the author mikesdream
            Awesome, brotha John!) Yes, I do believe it will be a fun no-brainer! And you're right, sensei, I do got this!)

            Thanks a mil!!!

            Mike

            p.s. The offline forum just hasn't been the same without ya!
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          • Profile picture of the author chrishonda
            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

            Already got you this afternoon Mike! You should be good!
            Could you do mine too? Purchased upgrade 3/2. TMF username chrishonda. Thanks!
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            • Profile picture of the author John Durham
              Originally Posted by chrishonda View Post

              Could you do mine too? Purchased upgrade 3/2. TMF username chrishonda. Thanks!

              Got it Chrishonda.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Thanks. Maybe I should be a mod, because I love bein here.

    Nite guys!
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  • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

    And Dammit, Im still a LION, just one that got wounded in battle, if you tease a Lion when he’s down, have fun, but when he gets up I hope you know how to climb trees really fast! Lol
    Yay!!! He's back

    Welcome back John. All those challenges will make you a better man. Life has a really nasty habit of smashing you in the face with a baseball bat. Your character is determined by how you react to that.

    You have emerged, with a few battle scars, but victorious. A true Warrior!

    Di
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Okay, one more... Di, you know very well the struggles Im talking about here ... and the battle is far from over, unbelievably, but they havent won yet so Im keeping on fighting, and will never stop til the victory is here...Who knows how much more that's going to require, but we dont count the cost, only keep our eyes on the prize... Even though we may fall along the way.

    BTW, you are true a Warrior if I ever saw one. Not that Im the official Warrior "dubber" or anything, but it takes one to know one!

    Nite my friend!
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  • Profile picture of the author WriterWahm
    Hi John, I've stumbled across a few posts of yours here on the WF; I am ashamed I didn't pay more notice. Any man can do great, but it takes a real man to get down to his lowest and still reach for great things. I am proud to have come across someone like you. Your integrity shines through and it's inspiring to know that someone so tremendously human could have achieved what you have.

    Thank you so much for sharing. And for the free audio. You haven't lost much loyalty - not from the truly loyal anyway. I will be charting my next 90 days and will be following you closely as a result.
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  • Profile picture of the author ikan_sith
    i made my first $$$$$'s of of one of your free advice threads. i respect the fact that you were big enough to admit your mistakes and attempt to re-establish your relationships in teh community and repair your reputation (although for me this was not neccassary.)

    somehow we have gotten to a time where we only stand by our friends when they don't have a problems or make mistakes. its when someone is having issue that we should be that much more understanding. life will eventually strike us all.

    i commend you for being as much of a leader in humility as you have been in teaching/sharing/instructing us in IM.
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    • Profile picture of the author mikesdream
      John, question for you. I'm re-reading, studying, and practicing the pitches from vol. 3 so I will be good and ready to start the cold-calling process on monday (my goal is keep callin and pitchin till I land my first agent on monday!)) So, should my focus be on calling individual agents within the insurance agencies or the agency itself and speak with the owner/manager?

      Thanks again!

      Mike
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by mikesdream View Post

        John, question for you. I'm re-reading, studying, and practicing the pitches from vol. 3 so I will be good and ready to start the cold-calling process on monday (my goal is keep callin and pitchin till I land my first agent on monday!)) So, should my focus be on calling individual agents within the insurance agencies or the agency itself and speak with the owner/manager?

        Thanks again!

        Mike
        I would focus on small agencies with a few agents. Independently owned...

        They usually use the owners name in the title like "Thomas Reimer Allstate"...

        Some indies will buy, but owners who want to keep their agents busy do it as a routine and usually even if they have other sources they will still try yours as long as you have a reasonable replacement policy for unqualifieds or dead leads....

        Dont go for major corporate offices at first, even though you will eventually run into a big contract doing this, because alot of them are corporate and provide their own lead generation rooms... You would spin your wheels alot doing that.

        Not to be a broken record but focus on agencies with ten employees or less. You are a gold member at tmf so , you can easily create a targeted list.

        Yes you want to speak with owners.

        Ps. Dont be afraid to close em, and get the card on the phone, they are used to that. They buy leads all the time. Its their life blood. Its not unusual for them to cut a $500-$1,000 credit card or check over the phone.

        Also, dont forget "Insurance Agent Forums". Big one there. You can pick up alot of business.
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        • Profile picture of the author mikesdream
          Beautiful, John! Thanks again!

          Your're the best!

          Mike
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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Originally Posted by mikesdream View Post

            Beautiful, John! Thanks again!

            Your're the best!

            Mike
            I can only give the direction from my experience, YOU are the one who has the sales hat on... Just dont get discouraged too quickly if it takes a minute to get people responding to your pitch...Mike. You'll smooth it out!

            Good luck!
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            • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
              John,

              Welcome back. I started reading your post and too many memories flooded my otherwise spectacularly open minded :-) organ. So I skimmed most of it. I realize some of the other posters have also been there and done that and my story and your story aren't original.

              BUT, they sure do suck when it happens to us. I don't know what will right your ship because I only know you from this forum (and TMF). However I can guarantee you know what will do the trick.

              It sounds like you've already started applying the ointment to soothe the pain and I'm hoping you won't need the ointment much longer. I also know only you can decide when to finally throw away the jar.

              On the other hand, if you need someone to help you feel miserable, call me. I don't mind helping you whichever you choose. I like you enough to be on any side you select. :-)

              God bless,

              Tom
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              • Profile picture of the author JohnD2000
                John,

                Thank you for the quality of work and ideas that you've put out over the past. The free recording is just another example of your unique skill and knowledge.

                And thank you for sharing the bumps in the road over the last few months. It makes the lack of communication easier to understand. Life happens. We all discover that at some point or another.

                Quick heads up: I'm John Davis, and I haven't received the updated emails that you've started sending out for the 90Xtreme folks. (PM me if you need an email address or receipt number).

                The first two lesson were OFF THE HOOK! I haven't gotten anything since, and I would LOVE to read/hear the rest of them.

                Thanks for hanging in there Bro and coming back strong!

                You've got a lot to teach and a gang of folks who appreciate what you're laying down.

                John
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          • Profile picture of the author mikesdream
            Hey, John, one more question for you. Can't seem to narrow down to "health insurance" in the lead generator. Do most agencies deal in a variety of insurance policies under one roof? I.e. health, auto, fire, casualty, etc? So, it's not really necessary for me to try and look specifically for health insurance agencies with 10 employees or less? Thanks once again!

            Mike
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            • Profile picture of the author John Durham
              Originally Posted by mikesdream View Post

              Hey, John, one more question for you. Can't seem to narrow down to "health insurance" in the lead generator. Do most agencies deal in a variety of insurance policies under one roof? I.e. health, auto, fire, casualty, etc? So, it's not really necessary for me to try and look specifically for health insurance agencies with 10 employees or less? Thanks once again!

              Mike
              Lemme check.... Brb

              Edit: Okay I guess it doesnt break down into specific types of insurance agencies... I think thats because 90% of them carry all of it , ie; life , health, annuity's ...

              I just did a few runs on different states using insurance/ownersonly/10employees... and got some great looking lists, but again I dont think it breaks them down like that because of the all encompassing nature of the majority of them...

              If you go with ten employees or less you will be fine.

              Another thing you will notice when you start calling is that a person might say, "do you also do auto insurance leads, or annuity's...?" They usually dont carry just health only, even if they specialize in it. The ones that do say it in the title.

              If you abandon the "suggestions..." and just type in "health Insurance" manually it reverts back to "insurance" automatically, it looks like.
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  • Profile picture of the author joecarson1
    Thank you for the post and the update John! I don't even remember what the price was for the 90 days challenge, but I know the info I did get was worth 5x the cost. The Pro90 challenge was/is so exciting b/c we know you are a pro. Rename it the "rest of your life" challenge and I would buy it again, because some of us will get it done in 90 days, six months, a year, five years, or never. Even the "never" people need something to hang their hat on.
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    Wow... really loved the honesty and wisdom pouring out from that post- thanks for all the value!
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    • Profile picture of the author mikesdream
      Hey, John. I just got done putting there my pitch to insurance agencies, based on your script in vol. 3. I'd love for you to take a look at it for me and tell me what you think. I'm going to start calling agencies tomorrow, so if you could look at it tonight for me and give me your feedback that would be great!

      Thanks,

      Mike

      p.s. What's the best way for me to shoot it over to you?
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      • Profile picture of the author StrategicCheetah
        John, I have barely been on this forum lately, didn't realise you'd fallen behind your deadline with the 90 day challenge! I wasn't part of that WSO simply because I've been way too busy but I am laughing about the people who refunded... Why? Because they doubted the master and now they won't get to benefit from seeing you smash the target in a slightly longer time frame

        Just wanted to say you have been like a 1 on 1 sales coach/mentor to me but without charging me any money for the privilege!

        What you have given on here and TMF for free is some of the best content I've ever seen offered anywhere at any price.

        Sometimes sh1t happens in life and it knocks you for six! It happens to everyone at one point or another. I'm glad to see you are bouncing back and I look forward to hearing good news about your 180 day challenge!
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  • Profile picture of the author ericthered
    What are you, one of those Human Beings?
    Thank You a truckload for your story and fessing up and taking responsibility for what happened (or didn't happen.)

    If you're a friend of Bill's, I hope you stayed in touch with those guys!

    I kind of wondered what happened with the WSO, but refrained from
    getting snippy about it, glad I did.

    Looking forward to the rest -

    Eric
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      So sorry to hear that things are difficult for you, John.

      *hugs*

      I know you'll get through this, stronger than ever.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

        So sorry to hear that things are difficult for you, John.

        *hugs*

        I know you'll get through this, stronger than ever.
        Hugs received! Much love Shay. Dig the new pic!
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        • Profile picture of the author ShayB
          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          Hugs received! Much love Shay. Dig the new pic!
          *blushes* Thank you. The other one was about 6 years old. I figured I should update it.

          (Don't mean to derail your thread. Back to the topic... )
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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

            *blushes* Thank you. The other one was about 6 years old. I figured I should update it.

            (Don't mean to derail your thread. Back to the topic... )
            Mine is only a year old... I pretty much look the same... Honestly you havent changed much in 6 years either! Cool! Isnt that nice? Everything else starts slowing down with age, why not aging itself?! :p

            I think the thing I have learned most at this particular age is about "Reserving Judgement". When we are younger we know everything, and make quick judgements, but at this age (42 almost 43) I have misjudged so many times that I understand the need to reserve my judgement...

            This is important so that we dont create filters that arent accurate, and that alienate people in our lives who were supposed to be placed there for our blessing.

            I have to say that Paul Myers report on "The Voice" was invaluable in assisting me with this understanding.

            To put it in "Offline Terms", we can easily lose sales by misjudging what we are reading in others, and not reserving our judgement until all the facts are in.

            Otherwise we see the facts and we judge them through filters that arent always accurate. We can lose sales. There now, its relevant!!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I ran out of thanks Eric and Nick But Thanks,

    Nick, most of them will still get to see it because I let them stay on the list for their trouble, except for one guy I asked him to unsubscribe because he hit me on the wrong day, in the wrong frame of mind... lol, but if he doesnt unsubscribe then I'll be fine with that.

    Og says "One day a man wont give you a penny for an apple made of solid gold, and on another he will sell you his whole home for a mere 'tree'..." I guess that guy caught me on the "former" kind of day.

    You are a good kid buddy, its a pleasure seeing you succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author sam m
    Hi John

    It has been said that what wont kill you will make you stronger,
    and judging by your post here you are definetly stronger.

    Life happens and what happen to you is a serious matter in fact divorce rates as 1 of the top 10 stresses a person can ever go thru in his life.

    Here is some of the order:

    loss of a spouse
    loss of a job
    divorce
    prison

    I really appreciated that despite all that you went thru
    you saw the need to post this and think about how this affected

    your fellow warriors as well.

    It is good to see that we are coming to understand more and more that
    are purpose in life is to help others and to serve God.

    Great singers have died Michael Jackson,Amy W, W, Houston and many
    of them had the same thing in common

    So will they be remember for what they did for others, I think we see the point and because there is always more than one side to the story.

    So keep doing what you do best by helping your fellow warriors by giving
    and you should receive more happiness in return.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    @ Sam

    Speaking of God, I had an amazing epiphany last night about sowing, of the financial seed kind... Amazing. One of these days I will share it.
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      And when you share it just tell how us how felt
      after the response from your fellow warriors
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  • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
    John, will post a PM I sent awhile back to you, not sure if you saw. I think it would help others because I know those big punches personally as they REALLY do test your belief in your own values...

    Hope you dont mind the repost of it.

    A couple pieces of advice and beliefs that helped me through some of the darkest times of my life, very similar to the ones you are describing:


    1. “As long as your kids make it to adulthood alive, you have done your job as a parent. Everything else in not really in your hands and the more you think it is, the more it slips away.” Had a family member that went thru the same thing tell me this not too long ago as one of my wife's three girls ended up becoming a completely manipulative and materialistic adult child (despite our years of trying to teach her otherwise), while her other two girls are somewhat on the correct path (but at times stray). His point was, you cannot be with your child 100% of the time to teach them about the mistakes they are going to make, just like you did. In other words, where ever they are, they are going to make those mistakes.
    2. People get what they deserve. Call it Karma. Call it whatever. If you are good and help people, good things happen to you – if you are bad and manipulate people, bad things happen to you. My wife and I actually had this issue with her ex and kids and believe me, the aggressor with bad intentions had bad things constantly happen to him while my wife and I had MANY good things happen to us.
    3. I also noticed one of your posts about thinking big. I know your pain on this one. I have found it hard to do this at times because of point #2 above. If I was an ahole, I would be an extremely RICH ahole...but I am not. But I am happy. I like to help people and know whatever I am doing, at the time I am doing it is what I need in my life...and it is what I deserve. My mother says I got this valuable lesson from my late father (help people no matter the return), which brings us to #1, he made sure we made it till adulthood (posthumously) and I got the lesson even though he was absent to teach it.


    Keep on your path. I know you will make it. I am following with great interest (as you were the one that REALLY jumped my income this year) and trying to emulate what is there despite my absence from your WSO that I somehow missed and cant sign up for now.


    Good luck, my friend.



    As well, I did not receive any emails from your 90 day list. Not sure if Im still on it.

    Anyway, fight on and keep following your values despite the sh!t.

    <EDIT>John, I forgot to mention, you were actually very very close to getting the machine running. I have built these cash machines for fortune 500 companies and I know the possibilities and the amount of work and that point where you are almost there, but think you are years away from it...you were not. Very close.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Hey John, I remember that and it meant alot. Thought I'd responded, but then sometimes I intend to respond and then later think I responded because i intended to... usually its because I want to take more time with a response than is available at that moment. You are an inspiration to all yourself.

    Ps. Will get the archives out to you this eve John.

    On # 3, thats part of the epiphany... being rich is about sowing, had a major realization on that last night. Its not about religion, its about a universal law that God (however you describe God) put in place.
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  • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
    Most people think if they go to work each day and collect a paycheck they are doing what they are supposed to do and if someone is doing something else it must be wrong. I do not look at life that way at all. If you invest your time in something or someone each day, there is a payoff in the end. If you build things with the intention of a MUCH larger return in the future, you get that return. Whether it be kids, businesses, relationships whatever.

    I dont know where that hours for paycheck comes from or buy your kids a video game each month instead of teaching them a value over a few years comes from. Maybe it's just programmed into our culture over too many years.

    I actually spoke to a VERY VERY rich guy a few days ago and had an epiphany as well. The guy did not have to put on airs whatsoever, he was comfortable, knew the "universal law" and could use it any time he wanted to "grow some cash" by sowing a seed. It was actually one of the most interesting conversations I have had with anyone about money in a LONG LONG time.

    Anyway, continue on and let us know more of your realizations, John. Love to hear them.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Im afraid I would get banned for sharing them...although they really transcend religion.
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  • Profile picture of the author kimberly Aita
    I am sorry for your troubles John and I am nearly in tears for you. I have a lot of respect for everything you post here and this is no exception. We all live in the real world and sometimes bad things do happen to great people.

    Glad to see that you are ready to carry on and I love your analogy about the lion. Just wanted to let you know that I do feel for you and plan on checking out your gift even though we have never crossed paths personally.

    Thanks,
    Kim
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Thanks Kim. Appreciate that sincerely!

    @John

    This isnt a religious "topic" so maybe it will fly.

    Will try. If this gets deleted I understand.

    My pastor asked me to sing at church...and I was just going through the motions, didnt really want to but did... and mostly singing really to this baby in the audience that was smiling away.... then I had a realization that God said in the Bible that where two or more are gathered together in his name, he is in their midst...

    and it got serious for a moment...


    Then I realized another verse that came directly to my mind... "He is not a man that he should lie", and I came to be aware that he was present in that place, and it shook me to the core and I began to tear up and it turned into real worship, not just going through the motions...

    Please understand that I have been involved in so many philosophy's that I dont go to church out of ignorance these days, its out of growth and self development that finally brought me to this place... I know all the metaphysical theories like the back of my hand, and they lead me straight back to serving the biblical God after 20 years... not ignorant at all of other philosophies...

    At the end my pastor asked if anyone had any prayer requests... So I raised my hand and said I"I request that God gives everyone seed that they can sow...".

    Okay, so...

    My daughters lap top had broken down and she asked to borrow mine...so after ward I was unable to work last night , so I flipped on the tv right?

    And here was this preacher Mike Murdock, i normally wouldnt but I watched him, and I actually took notes...

    He said there were laws that God taught him...

    One of these laws he spoke of was:

    A: The law of relationships

    We arent 5 years away from our goals. We are one PERSON away from them. God has placed someone in our life that we are supposed to have a relationship with and that person will be the key to our prosperity, but we have to recognize them.

    B: The law of places

    God always told his servants to go to a certain place. A fish is the dumbest animal on earth when you look at them offland, but when you put them in the water they are the most BRILLAINT.... We all have a place that is Natural energy for our talents, and we have to be in the right place.

    C: The Law of Recognition

    A man saw a painting in a salvation army and he had a feeling and bought it for $2.50 then later a museum bought it from him for 11 million dollars. We have to recognize the things around us, and God has placed prosperity in them for us.

    D: The law of Sowing and Reaping

    You cannot just give, you must give into good ground... and you must complete the giving with "expectation of the return". A rolls royce is useless without a wheel, and sowing is useless without expectation. When we expect a return, we sow deliberately and our intent produces. We must not just give out of charity to recieve a return because God does not respond to pain, only faith. We must give in faith as an investment, and believe in our return. We are in business with God.

    He said that we can sow for more "seed to sow" (go figure), and increase our investments in the universal soil.

    E: The law of honor

    In your life you need hero's and who you give your honor to determines what you will become. When you look back at your success it will be because of someone or something you honored, and your failure will be because of someone or something you dishonored.

    F: Seeds are programmed. A Tomoato doesnt need to ask what its supposed to be, its programmed with a special kind of DNA that tells it how to become the perfect IT...and so do we if we truly listen to the voice inside. A square peg has to beat itself into a round hole, but put it in a round hole and it slips right into its natural place. We must find out what we are programmed for and we will excel.

    And at the end he said he needed 300 people to give a thousand dollars... and so I wanted to really badly, to sow... because my money is wasted in my hands, but when I put it into the kingdom of God it becomes more. I have tested this. Its a universal law.

    Now yes, it could be coincidence...but the whole sequence of events for the evening was too much coincidence prior to the show...

    I felt an urge to call in, but talked myself out of it...thinking it was just me...

    Then the preacher said on TV "God is not a man that he should lie".... The exact verse God had brought to my mind and made me cry earlier... and I said "okay God, thats all I need".

    So I rushed to the phone and made a 90 day 1,000 pledge.

    It was revealed to me that even in the case of rich people giving because they HAVE to for tax reasons...That is how riches happen, through investing in the universal soil by "Giving" in the places and to the people where God instructs you to give.

    This may get deleted, but thats my truth. I am going to learn to make money by giving alone, and increase my giving more and more every month, only in the places where Im lead to.

    Not where I am asked, but where God asks me. I am going to see if I can out give the universe.

    Money is nothing in my hands, but it multiplys in Gods.

    -John
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  • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
    I really feel you are headed down the correct path, John. It all makes sense.

    I was actually just working on a website of a guy I met when I was in some of my darkest hours...i was listening to your audio there and began to really really think of the seed analogy.

    Right before I met him, I sat and wrote my goals and one of them was to meet people that were like minded and able to help each other grow businesses. What is funny is it is actually EXACTLY how that relationship turned out. I learned so much about marketing from having something to work on that REALLY worked and his beliefs were very similar to mine.

    I have also met many others along this same "like minded" path.

    Where months previously I had had a constant string of people ripping me off or taking advantage of my willingness to help people (but they didnt want to return that favour). So the seed worked and worked well because since then, I have literally dumped 99% of the people that were taking advantage and am growing a good crow now so to speak.

    Now here is the part I learned myself about your analogy. That small crop can turn into a much larger one if you take some of the seed from the old crop and regrow it or even trade some to your neighbours for their seeds to test new crops.

    My wife and I actually have a lofty goal...I do not know if I should share but it is to build a Frank Lloyd Wright style home on a farm that will self sustain itself. So we have been taking walks together and getting tree seeds as we walk. We know that from these seeds we are going to make a place that in the future our children and childrens children will be amazed at. Our entire lives are geared towards this goal including me building a self-sustaining income..and all this is just part of this current crop...so sow on...cause it works.

    Very inspirational and I hope we work together in the future, John
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Awesome.

    My goal is to have a large property in Nashville and build myself a million dollar home, and about six 100k homes on it...to make sure my children and grandchildren all have a place near each other. maybe even with roads on it. There is a guy at my church who owns his own street with all of his family on it.

    Nashville is my "place".

    Hope I dont blow the 50 post rule on this. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author rugman
    "My wife and I actually have a lofty goal...I do not know if I should share but it is to build a Frank Lloyd Wright style home on a farm that will self sustain itself. So we have been taking walks together and getting tree seeds as we walk. We know that from these seeds we are going to make a place that in the future our children and childrens children will be amazed at. Our entire lives are geared towards this goal including me building a self-sustaining income..and all this is just part of this current crop...so sow on...cause it works."
    Great to share - makes it more real! That BTW is a great goal!
    My goal - to buy a really crappy trailer and live next to Mr Durham's property and wave through the fence! (only kiddin JD). Having a place for the family is a great goal - seems like today families spread out too much. Most of mine is in Scotland and I never get to see them - cousins and all.
    I want a place on the Outer Banks where the whole Clan can meet every summer at the beach and spend the rest of the year jsut traveling around. I was luck enough as a young lad to have a job with an oil company and traveled quite a bit - fun - fun! Gotta have the ongoing residual income for that for sure.
    As a member of the 90 day challenge I didn't give too much thought to the whole sow and reap thing but your original post on this thread has really got me thinking. Looking back I can see that the things I have done in my cleaning biz have been getting reaped for years - sometimes good and sometimes bad. Def not setting me up for an "outer banks lifestyle!" Yep - time to make a few changes!
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I don't do anything offline so I am late to the party,but John has been my friend a few years now and have known some of his trials and tribulations. John was the very core of getting my Mega WSO going back when times were very hard for me.He inspired me when I was ready to lose hope.
    I have always told John to call on me anytime for anything .
    Besides, he is the only one here that I know that can bring Gibran into IM.

    So glad your back,John.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      I don't do anything offline so I am late to the party,but John has been my friend a few years now and have known some of his trials and tribulations. John was the very core of getting my Mega WSO going back when times were very hard for me.He inspired me when I was ready to lose hope.
      I have always told John to call on me anytime for anything .
      Besides, he is the only one here that I know that can bring Gibran into IM.

      So glad your back,John.
      Kim

      Speaking about people who are a big part of my 2011 Journey!, and will continue to be...

      Great love to you Kim. Not the only one who "can" bring Gibran... Just usually the first to initiate him!

      And Why not?

      Once you have been a few places you know that these kinds of things are where the true success and failure lies. Kipling, Gibran , Mandino.. The timeless principles, not the technicalities nor the times. In your situation the greatest asset you had was that "You" are a survivor.
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      • Profile picture of the author JoeCool
        Hi John,

        I sent you a PM yesterday. Don't know if your box is full, or if you haven't had a chance to respond. Please let me know if it made it through or not. If not, I will resend it.

        Thanks,
        ~ JoeCool
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  • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
    Thanks Rugman. My wife and I actually visited fallingwater for our honeymoon and thought what the heck, let's build a house that will get the most beauty for the buck. Lots of natural materials and a simplistic design. Put most of the money into the land. We are lookin at 25 acres and yes it is all about the sowing and reaping. I did start a blog about it to meet up with others with the same goal at Usonian Dreams – Our Family's Frank Lloyd Wright Inspired Home Project | Beginning to end recording of building a Frank Lloyd Wright Usonian Style Home in Ontario CAN not selling anything there so I dont consider this spam.

    The sow and reap thing is so central to our efforts. I am still reaping content I had sown as far back as 95' so it does work. It is a mentality I was trying to most ineloquently describe before. I meant it is better to own the property and plant your crops then be the worker that plants the crops for the land owner. My family and immediate friends THINK they understand that concept...but do not.

    What I am building with the 90 day challenge will be a leader in marketing in the canadian market...I know this. I have worked on multimillion dollar projects as the worker before and I know what is possible when you sow the correct seeds in your own land.

    I just happened to sow the seed for our future home as well...all connected! Wink!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Gotcha Joe!
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  • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
    I love the concept of 'giving'. Everytime I have helped someone out at no charge, it has come back at me a hundred fold
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  • Profile picture of the author stayathome2earn
    Hey John,

    I came across this thread and I must tell you that I have not bought any of your products. But I read your whole post from top to bottom. We all have struggles one way or the other. But one said that Prayers can do some good. Surely, it will do lot of good!!! I am not here to advise you. But I am just confirming that persons views. Remember, people will always remembered for what they give to the community and not for what they take!!! Cheers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hobo82
    John, sorry for all the things you went through, but thank you for sharing it with us. It put's the things that we all forget about it in perspective. We all know you will break through the clouds and shine on. Be well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
    As I read both the apology from John and the comments from others I was torn on if I should say anything and if I did what should I say.

    You see I know this man very detailed on both a personal level and as much so, on a business level. I have single handedly seen him go through more than any other person. I have also seen him first hand build every business in his life. I have been a part of some of those businesses, lucky me.

    As his brother I told myself I cannot post on this thread, as a businessman who has been in business with John and have watched him make numerous others millions of dollars for others and myself over and over, I do feel the right to post.

    So like it or not Michael the brother has his hands on this keyboard, but Michael the businessman will be speaking. I don’t really care if John approves of this. I am quite sure he would be tackling me right now if he were in this room. However, as a man who he has made way too much money for, I will have my say.

    This man over the years I have seen fall more than any other person I know.

    This man over the years I have seen make more people financially independent than any other person I know.

    In my career I have seen only one other person that can do what this man does. I don’t care if john fell again this year the value he will bring to the table makes the failure as speck of sand.

    Any person who does not see this is a person of lack, no true prosperous mind will see anything but the value.

    In one of his darkest hours I saw this man build a business in Nashville, for another man, that later became so successful, it became an MTV program, and doing this while he was wounded. My fellow warriors I don’t have one or two examples like this. I have hundreds from what this man has done in his lifetime.

    My only question is how it was done in only 42 years of living. I watched it first hand and am still dazed.

    What he is capable of in a broken state most other cannot come close to in their strongest hour.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Dont know whether to hug you are kick your tail.

      ...Sheeesh..."White people!" :rolleyes: ... Sigh

      Pay no attention to the man behind the green curtain people.

      Originally Posted by Michael Bucker View Post

      As I read both the apology from John and the comments from others I was torn on if I should say anything and if I did what should I say.

      You see I know this man very detailed on both a personal level and as much so, on a business level. I have single handedly seen him go through more than any other person. I have also seen him first hand build every business in his life. I have been a part of some of those businesses, lucky me.

      As his brother I told myself I cannot post on this thread, as a businessman who has been in business with John and have watched him make numerous others millions of dollars for others and myself over and over, I do feel the right to post.

      So like it or not Michael the brother has his hands on this keyboard, but Michael the businessman will be speaking. I don’t really care if John approves of this. I am quite sure he would be tackling me right now if he were in this room. However, as a man who he has made way too much money for, I will have my say.

      This man over the years I have seen fall more than any other person I know.

      This man over the years I have seen make more people financially independent than any other person I know.

      In my career I have seen only one other person that can do what this man does. I don’t care if john fell again this year the value he will bring to the table makes the failure as speck of sand.

      Any person who does not see this is a person of lack, no true prosperous mind will see anything but the value.

      In one of his darkest hours I saw this man build a business in Nashville, for another man, that later became so successful, it became an MTV program, and doing this while he was wounded. My fellow warriors I don’t have one or two examples like this. I have hundreds from what this man has done in his lifetime.

      My only question is how it was done in only 42 years of living. I watched it first hand and am still dazed.

      What he is capable of in a broken state most other cannot come close to in their strongest hour.
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      • Profile picture of the author mikesdream
        Wow, Michael, thanks for the share! I can honestly say that mr. John Durham has helped this guy (me) out in more ways than he could possibly imagine. You are TRULY an inspiration to me, and my dad and I are eternally grateful for having you come into our lives at exactly the right time! Once again, John, the referee's gonna count to 9 and just when they all think you're down for the count, you're gonna rise to your feet and, feeding off the roar of the crowd, KNOCK your opponent out and become world champion once again! Reclaiming your rightful place...at the top!

        Look forward to letting you know of my results this week from my cold-calling sessions for the insurance leads biz! Already lookin good!

        Thanks for everything, champ!

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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    I just think things do all happen for a reason. I just hope you learnt you lesson and can move on no matter what. There is a lesson i think here for all of us. That no matter what, you can succeed, and life is just life.

    I mean if things just went right all the time, oh how boring that would be. So maybe we are meant to have ups and downs as a balance.

    I am sure you have the goods john, and on occasions I have been in here and found you to be good quality, but felt like you talked down to warriors sometimes. No offense to you, as you have alot of experience, and in the end you are really just trying to help...so I see that.

    For what it is worth, I just hope things work out. Time heals all wounds and you get back on track to making money. As marketers, that is what we all like doing right

    Good luck and god bless mate. Hope from now on all your wishes and dreams come true for 2012.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sardent
      When you reach the far side of the storm, you wipe the water from your eyes, turn your face to the wind, and count yourself fortunate for the crew that is still with you...and still believes in the destination.

      Good to have you back!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by celente View Post


      I am sure you have the goods john, and on occasions I have been in here and found you to be good quality, but felt like you talked down to warriors sometimes. No offense to you, as you have alot of experience, and in the end you are really just trying to help...so I see that.
      ...and frankly sometimes I was just being arrogant. Honestly. For that I also apologize. We grow and learn from our mistakes... Its a long perpetual journey becoming a warrior , and you go through alot of different phases along the way... The tides advance, the tides recede.
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      • Profile picture of the author mikesdream
        Hey, John, I'm gettin' hooked up with an agent that needs fire/casualty leads...lookin for some advice from the master. Just sent you a PM. Can you check it for me? Thanks!

        Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author Tracy411
    Hi John,

    I am very glad to see you back. I missed you round here on the offline forum. There are very few people whose posts I open immediately upon noticing them, but yours are among them. As others have said, I felt an immediate connection to you when I first started here in the offline section of WF and began reading your posts. You have an innate ability to inspire, encourage, tell it like it is, and explain it in such an uncomplicated way that people can't help feeling like they can do it too I said this to you months ago, but it bears repeating.

    Reading this post today doesn't diminish my admiration of you. In fact, it only elevates it. It takes a strong, caring, honest person to say what you've said in this thread. I, for one, have no issues with you, and I am part of your 90 day challenge. I noticed your reports were sporadic and then dropped off, but I had faith and confidence that you'd follow through. No refund wanted on my part, my friend.

    I've had my own personal struggles the last several years. I understand completely what you are describing...well, as near as I can without being in your shoes. I won't go through all of my own personal trials as it would rival 'War and Peace' , but let's say that I've run the gamut of emotional responses and am still trying to work through it all. I'm making progress, and so have you...and will some more

    John, I don't know if you are at all into mindset (actually, I recall you mentioning you were), but reading from Wayne Dyer's works, as well as those of John Edward and James Van Praagh, among others, have helped me greatly. If you're curious what I read, I'd be happy to pm you. Please let me know.

    John, as others have said, I'd love to sit down and chat sometime. Feel free to connect via Skype. My info is on my profile here. You're a good person and a very capable man who has given so much, and will undoubtedly, only give more...and you'll do it, not out of any sense of obligation, but because you can't help it. You love to help and thrive on contributing. Even when I was most down, there were days where the best I felt was helping someone else. Love lifts us up.

    It is my philosophy that we are all going to need help at some point(s) in life. It is just a matter of when and in what way. I also believe we are here in this life together, rather than living on islands unto ourselves, to help each other to grow and thrive. You have taken responsibility for where you felt you fell short. All you can do is carry on with those lessons. It's all anyone can do really.

    OK, I could go on, but I'll pause here Just know, speaking for me, you haven't let me down.

    Much love, my friend. I'll keep you in my prayers.

    Have a great day!

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    Thanks for sharing. very helpful info.
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  • Profile picture of the author s62731
    Hi John,

    Good to see your getting back on your feet and overcoming everything thrown your way.

    I was just wondering when the us Pro 90 X'treme guys would be getting that document you were putting together? Is it a couple of months away or a couple of weeks?

    Cheers,

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by s62731 View Post

      Hi John,

      Good to see your getting back on your feet and overcoming everything thrown your way.

      I was just wondering when the us Pro 90 X'treme guys would be getting that document you were putting together? Is it a couple of months away or a couple of weeks?

      Cheers,

      James
      Honestly I will answer in a PM. I wanted to address this with the forum, but dont to encourage this to become a customer service thread. Thanks.

      I do understand why you felt it was okay to ask here though.
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      • Profile picture of the author s62731
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Honestly I will answer in a PM. I wanted to address this with the forum, but dont to encourage this to become a customer service thread. Thanks.

        I do understand why you felt it was okay to ask here though.
        No worries, I look forward to it
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Update to this thread.

    Although in the last season of sowing I lost the clarity of my business vision and reaped that, I DID (simultaneously) plant some clear seeds in my personal life which lead to a very important personal victory yesterday, which I am thankful for.

    So, the laws do work perfectly. We are constantly reaping different harvests in different fields that we plant in.
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  • Profile picture of the author CiberEmprendedor
    Hi John I came across your material just recently and Im eager to study your 4 hours telemarketing audio, but offlineoncrack.com is down and I cannot find the audios anywhere...
    I admire your generosity, and I thank you alot for sharing openly your expertise and knowledge.
    Im in the offline bizness with a 1 year experience with a handful of recurring clients, but now Im serious about growing and I KNOW Telemarketing is key.
    Again Id really appreciate if you reupload the 4 hours telemarketing audio.
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  • Profile picture of the author CiberEmprendedor
    I really liked the audio you shared here John , it has very similar concepts related with the LOA (Abraham hicks) which Im sure you are aware of. Is always a pleasure to listen to someone who is tunned in, tapped in turned on with prosperity, courage and a higher energy...keep focus on that, keep focus on that Saludos!
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  • Profile picture of the author shelh39
    Hi John,

    No it's not easy going through divorce, especially with kids involved, I share your experience. I commend you for telling us how you feel and admitting how down you were, that's not easy to admitt, well it wasn't for me and I think it would be even harder for a bloke.

    So well done and if you are like I was you will feel like a weight has lifted off your shoulders since you have shared your experience.

    So keep your chin up, and keep doing what your doing. You will get there.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Thanks for sharing. Its amazing how often I see divorce etc on here. whatever happened to truly maintaining vows taken in marriage? *SIGH* well, it just means that something better is coming your way.
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  • Profile picture of the author keepsongoing
    Glad to see you're back John. I can really identify with what's happened to you! I ended up losing all my possessions but more importantly my children. That was the most painful part of it, losing my kids. This happened shortly after losing my job so I ended up living in my car for two years off and on. So yeah, divorce can be a real killer. Anyways, glad you're back and on the road to recovery so quickly.
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