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Which is better.... Dr Dan's method or John Durham's method... please give pros and cons

by jercarbra
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I am planning to create a directory but have a question. Dr Dan says to create and rent a website to one business in a city, then duplicate in 100 cities. John Durham says to create one website in a city and get 100 same niche listings in the same city. Whose method is better for long term success? Please give pros and cons.
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  • Profile picture of the author sweetcrabhoney18
    I've been considering both as well... for me I like both but money wise the second one sounds much more affordable and easier to manage. Updating one site is easier than updating a hundred or so.. plus the cost of domains is growing weekly it seems.

    I think it's all about personal choice and how you plan to market and your goals for your business directory..

    Best of luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    You're asking us to compare blondes and brunettes. If they're hot, I like them both. If possible, I'd like to have both of them, why choose one?
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    • Profile picture of the author jercarbra
      I like both methods also but really don't know in which direction to go. It's true that you have to buy only one domain with John's method but Dr Dan's method makes your offer more exclusive... only one business in any particular city can have that site.
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  • Profile picture of the author FormerWageSlave
    The answers you seek can only be determined through an arm wrestling match between Dr. Dan and Mr. Durham.

    I say best out of three takes it.
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    • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
      Originally Posted by FormerWageSlave View Post

      The answers you seek can only be determined through an arm wrestling match between Dr. Dan and Mr. Durham.

      I say best out of three takes it.
      If they have to wear those wrestling tights you see on the WWE I don't want to watch...
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      • Profile picture of the author FormerWageSlave
        No, this is arm wrestling. They'll have to wear something other than their everyday clothes.

        Originally Posted by sandalwood View Post

        If they have to wear those wrestling tights you see on the WWE I don't want to watch...
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Originally Posted by jercarbra View Post

    I am planning to create a directory but have a question. Dr Dan says to create and rent a website to one business in a city, then duplicate in 100 cities. John Durham says to create one website in a city and get 100 same niche listings in the same city. Whose method is better for long term success? Please give pros and cons.
    I think you are taking m e out of context here, 100 is a suggestion for the sake of example, and I think whether you have ten sites with ten clients apiece on them or one with 100 or one with 1,000 customers... its all good. Alot of it depends on the geography you are targeting as to the size of the prospect pool in your niche.

    Originally Posted by FormerWageSlave View Post

    The answers you seek can only be determined through an arm wrestling match between Dr. Dan and Mr. Durham.

    I say best out of three takes it.

    Ive arm wrestled enough to last a lifetime at WF, what is this the roman coliseum? lol

    Seriously there is nothing to defend. Either route you take is good. Its really as matter of what seems most appropriate for you personally, and I guess this thread is helping you decide that.

    As far as competition...?

    Child's play. I share experience, thats it. I've mangled so many debaters that I have nightmares about it now...so no more battle. You are either right or wrong, and I dont talk about stuff I dont know, so ...

    Edit: I will say this though...you will have a lot easier time explaining how directory sites work than trying to explain to a business owner why he should rent someone elses website instead of own his own.

    They understand "advertising listings"... but they dont understand paying you full price for something they could own but not really owning it. You can sell it, but its not as easy a sale. I certainly dont see you closing two per day at it thats for sure.
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    • Profile picture of the author jercarbra
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      I think you are taking m e out of context here, 100 is a suggestion for the sake of example, and I think whether you have ten sites with ten clients apiece on them or one with 100 or one with 1,000 customers... its all good. Alot of it depends on the geography you are targeting as to the size of your niche.
      Yes, John, 100 was only a suggestion or an example. There seems to be a lot of competition in a city niche directory in most larger cities. Atlanta has several directories for attroneys, doctors and dentists. Same goes for Houston, Chicago, Denver, Seattle and many cities. How can a new directory compete with these and get the same businesses to ante up for my directory? I know i could target smaller cities but the number of potential customers is greatly reduced.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by jercarbra View Post

        Yes, John, 100 was only a suggestion or an example. There seems to be a lot of competition in a city niche directory in most larger cities. Atlanta has several directories for attroneys, doctors and dentists. Same goes for Houston, Chicago, Denver, Seattle and many cities. How can a new directory compete with these and get the same businesses to ante up for my directory? I know i could target smaller cities but the number of potential customers is greatly reduced.
        Question: How do they compete with each OTHER?

        How do any of these sites exist in the others shadow?

        How can YP and yellow book and att and intuit all exist in the same town and all have customers and thriving businesses?

        Here's how:

        A: By starting a website
        B: Calling people to find out who wants to become a customer.

        By doing that, each day each of them gets another piece of the market, despite the others pounding the pavment just as hard...

        They dont think about what the other companies are doing, they only think about meeting their daily sales quota.

        How can ford and chevy exist when toyota is the number one selling car with the most dependable rep?

        Whats more...

        How can new companies like saturn and hyundai break in with all these major competitors?

        How can four different car lots all exist on the same street corner competing with each other for twenty years and all the owners be millionaires?

        Here's how:

        Go get your customers and dont worry about other peoples. If they say someone else just called them "Sorry about the extra call , thanks..." move on to the next call.

        How could the construction company where I started telemarketing 25 years ago have been operating in the same small town, dialing the same phone book that 20 other construction companies were dialing...yet I was still able to make sales daily, and 25 years later...they are still in business today making as many sales as they did twenty years ago or even 40 years ago, still having mostly the same competitors?

        Here's why, because loser theory is BS...go out and get some customers. You will hear that from any experienced person here, only philosophers will tell you its too saturated...

        Customers are there for everyone. Theoretically some markets should burn out or be too competitive, but in reality...the guys workin it are still hitting their quota. Just work it and dont worry about competitors.

        Hope this helps. The thing to do is keep your eyes on what you are creating and make that happen every day.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Here's a "real question" (competitors are easy- just keep your eyes on your own prize):

    "How is it that if people have been living and dying for millions of years that the whole world isnt covered in tombstones? How is there any room for houses or anything else...? How are millions of people buried every year and the whole world isnt one big cemetary?"

    Thats an interesting question.
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    • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Here's a "real question" (competitors are easy- just keep your eyes on your own prize):

      "How is it that if people have been living and dying for millions of years that the whole world isnt covered in tombstones? How is there any room for houses or anything else...? How are millions of people buried every year and the whole world isnt one big cemetary?"

      Thats an interesting question.
      I think after 100 years or so the graves don't exist anymore.

      The tombstones break down, the human remains break down, the coffin itself gets covered by dirt and weathered masses of decomposing leaves that winds up turning to more and more dirt.

      By my old house right down the road there was a cemetary from the late 1800s. I walked through the cemetary and you could barely even see the tombstones anymore. The concrete was breaking, everything was getting buried down deeper and deeper into the earth.

      I've actually wondered about this question myself and my theory is that the earth slowly "swallows" all these dead bodies and tombstones as they break down over time.

      However, one would think as the population expoentially gets larger and larger, that there is no possible way we'd be able to deal with all the people dying everyday. Imagine when we have a population of 30billion people in this world. Thats going to be A LOT of dead bodies everyday to deal with.

      The good news being that I won't be here to deal with it. =]
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      • Profile picture of the author princewally
        Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

        I think after 100 years or so the graves don't exist anymore.

        The tombstones break down, the human remains break down, the coffin itself gets covered by dirt and weathered masses of decomposing leaves that winds up turning to more and more dirt.

        By my old house right down the road there was a cemetary from the late 1800s. I walked through the cemetary and you could barely even see the tombstones anymore. The concrete was breaking, everything was getting buried down deeper and deeper into the earth.

        I've actually wondered about this question myself and my theory is that the earth slowly "swallows" all these dead bodies and tombstones as they break down over time.

        However, one would think as the population expoentially gets larger and larger, that there is no possible way we'd be able to deal with all the people dying everyday. Imagine when we have a population of 30billion people in this world. Thats going to be A LOT of dead bodies everyday to deal with.

        The good news being that I won't be here to deal with it. =]
        For most of the developed world, a cemetery isn't your final resting place. You get it for about 50 years, then the whole thing gets dug up. The bodies are transferred to crypts and the cemetery starts from scratch.

        Mausoleums are the same thing, but with less digging.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roger Mayne
    I've been working on site rentals for the past couple of months, and am finetuning my system so I can sell more. I have 2 sold on a trial basis, but then I have some directories that have sat dormant for a while. I'm now thinking of reviving the directories and using those to promote my own rental sites as well as other local businesses so I can combine the 2 business models. that way I still own the online properties.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adwizard
    Okay... this thread just took the cake. It has gone from hot blondes and brunettes to excretion. WOW!!!
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    Oh really?
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  • Profile picture of the author want2knowhow
    Originally Posted by jercarbra View Post

    I am planning to create a directory but have a question. Dr Dan says to create and rent a website to one business in a city, then duplicate in 100 cities. John Durham says to create one website in a city and get 100 same niche listings in the same city. Whose method is better for long term success? Please give pros and cons.
    I want to create a forum or directory as well. Who are you going with? I was planning on using Simple Scripts for a PhpBB install, but Go Daddy insists on me going through them (for support issues) and not use them (S.S).

    I'll have to check out J.D *Powerhouse* (lol) and Dr. (I don't know) Dan to see what their offering's are. Maybe they have something I'm looking for....
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