WSO Idea - Would You Invest?

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I have two reasons for writing this post.


1. I have an idea for a unique WSO and before I invest time and money into creating it I want to make sure that there's a market for it.


2. Some people have described my techniques as unethical. I don't think that they are, but I would like to give you the opportunity to give me your opinion.


For the last twenty five years, on and off, I have been employed as a Recruitment and Training Manager for various national companies. I specialised in recruiting 'Commission Only', or 'Paid By Performance' sales personnel (which includes telesales, door-to-door and face-to-face sales representatives).


As you can imagine (or as you may know), it is extremely difficult trying to convince people to work on a performance only basis, especially, when they know absolutely nothing about your market or products. Prospective candidates are required to take a leap of faith by believing what a interviewer/recruiter tells them about the position/job on offer, such as; what their could earn, opportunities for promotion and career advancement, etc.



As with most skills, such as recruiting, there are often tricks of the trade that can be employed that may turn potential failure into success. If you've ever attempted to recruit commission only sales staff you would be aware that there are basically two strategies that you can employ when placing job advertisements.


Approach One:
Non Descriptive Ad Copy: "Self Motivated People Needed By A National Company. Guaranteed On Target Earnings of £1000.00 per Week. Call: 0800 888 8888 for more details".


Approach Two:
Detailed Job Description Ad: "Sales Representatives Required To Sell A Unique Product with No Competition..."


Sometimes, the first approach will attract a massive response from lots of unsuitable respondents who only inquire out of curiosity, just to find out what the job is about without any intention of doing it. In some instances, this numbers game approach works and in others cases, approach two works better using a more detailed description of the position, you often won't get the same volume of responses but the responses that do get are often better quality.



However, approach two has a major downside because if you receive, let's say, two responses to your job ad. You need at least a 50% conversion rate to get a result. And believe me that's not easy to do without the right tools.



Like any other profession, recruiting 'Commission Only' sales personnel has its own extremely powerful tricks of the trade. I use a process that I call, "Conversational Linguistics and Behavioural Profiling", which basically allowed me to covertly produce accurate personality and influence profiles by simply having a short casual conversation with anyone. In plain English, these simple techniques allows me to very quickly and easily know what words, phrases and information with immediately influence and motivate that person to start working for my company. This technique is based on cognitive science and has been verified by numerous Neuro-Psychological research studies.



Using this technique, I can quickly establish and use the exact words and phrases that will hit the prospective candidates' hot buttons every single time like a heat seeking missile, without guesswork.
I can also establish the prospective candidates 'direction of motivation'. If you are familiar with Neuro-linguistic Programming, in short NLP, you've probably come across the 'direction of motivation' concept before. But I imagine that the majority of people reading this post would not be familiar with this concept, so I will quickly explain what it is and what it means with regards to influencing someone.
Let's imagine that your prospective candidate is motivated by money (and by the way, you'll be surprise how often, this is NOT the case, contrary to popular belief most people are not motivated by money). But in order to use money as an effective motivator, you also need to establish the direction of motivation. Basically, they are two directions: 'Towards' or 'Away From' motivation.



Towards motivation simply mean that someone draw towards a goal or target. For example, they aim to buy a new house.



Away From motivation means that the person gets motivated by avoiding something, for example, they motivation is driven by the avoiding the pain of not paying their bills, as opposed to gaining something.



If you know what motivates someone and which way there are motivated, you can really crank up and leverage the perceive benefits of a job.

Therefore, you would never try to influence an Away From motivated individual by saying something like, "You could buy a beautiful new car with all the money you will make". This statement would just fall literally on deaf ears, and worse, it could turn them off the job.

With this technique you can easily establish a person preferred channel of influence, in other words, they will clearly spell out, how they get convinced about something. For example, some people prefer facts and figures, while others prefer illustrations, or demonstrations, etc.


But it can get complicated because some people only get convinced, if the right information is presented in the right way, in the right format and in the right sequence or order. So, now you are probably really beginning to understand why it is so difficult to persuade some prospective candidates or potential clients about the stone-wall facts.
Knowing exactly how many times or how long that individual will need to be exposed to your information before they are convinced and buy is extremely valuable information. So, instead of fumbling around in the dark, not knowing how to present your job, product or services, etc, you will know exactly what to say to instantly press their hot buttons, and how often you'd need to say it, in order convince them.



There are fourteen other influencing or persuading factors that this easy to use conversational technique will covertly extract from prospective candidates, existing staff or potential clients. But, believe it or not, I do not intend to make this post a mini sales letter, my aim is to provide a sufficiently detailed, yet persuasive overview of the kind of topics the WSO cover.



Hopefully, you have enough information to provide an informed decision to the following question.


Would you buy a WSO that provided this kind of information? YES or NO. Not essential, but i would appreciate an explanation of any reasons why.


Some people believe that using covert techniques like this to influence others is an unethical use of my skills because they see it as a form of manipulation? What do you think?



You see, these techniques where originally developed to be used in clinical and therapeutic environments.
#idea #influencing #invest #motivating #research #survey #wso
  • Profile picture of the author ginnysclub1
    Apologies but i think that I have set up the Poll incorrectly, I thought that it would appear at the bottom of the post.
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  • Profile picture of the author econnors
    I said no - only because your description is too long and complicated so I didn't want to read it. Other than the numbers at the top, there was no separation to make it easy to break this up into bite-sized chunks.

    In doing market research, your goal should be to make it easy for someone to digest your information. At this point, I'm not sure what you offer, but I do remember seeing some big words as I skimmed through.

    If you can summarize it (maybe in 5 sentences or less), I can take another look and manually let you know what my thoughts are. The way it's written right now, it takes up too much of my time to try and help you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
      Originally Posted by econnors View Post

      I said no - only because your description is too long and complicated so I didn't want to read it. Other than the numbers at the top, there was no separation to make it easy to break this up into bite-sized chunks.

      In doing market research, your goal should be to make it easy for someone to digest your information. At this point, I'm not sure what you offer, but I do remember seeing some big words as I skimmed through.

      If you can summarize it (maybe in 5 sentences or less), I can take another look and manually let you know what my thoughts are. The way it's written right now, it takes up too much of my time to try and help you.
      You may not have intended this way, but much can be learned from your response.

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    • Profile picture of the author ginnysclub1
      Originally Posted by econnors View Post

      I said no - only because your description is too long and complicated so I didn't want to read it. Other than the numbers at the top, there was no separation to make it easy to break this up into bite-sized chunks.

      In doing market research, your goal should be to make it easy for someone to digest your information. At this point, I'm not sure what you offer, but I do remember seeing some big words as I skimmed through.

      If you can summarize it (maybe in 5 sentences or less), I can take another look and manually let you know what my thoughts are. The way it's written right now, it takes up too much of my time to try and help you.
      Fair point! It's extremely difficult trying to come up with a concise description of what the technique can do for you. But I'll give it a try.

      By using the technique, you can have a short casual conversation with someone and covertly extract they influencing and motivational traits, so you will immediately know how to persuade and convince them. Basically this allows you to tailor what is said to each individual on the fly so that you will accurately hit their buy buttons 100% of the time.
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      • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
        Originally Posted by ginnysclub1 View Post

        Fair point! It's extremely difficult trying to come up with a concise description of what the technique can do for you. But I'll give it a try.

        By using the technique, you can have a short casual conversation with someone and covertly extract they influencing and motivational traits, so you will immediately know how to persuade and convince them. Basically this allows you to tailor what is said to each individual on the fly so that you will accurately hit their buy buttons 100% of the time.
        Dr. John Geier used to teach this kind of material here in the US of A. He has since deceased but his DISC model hasn't. The idea behind his model, and many others, is people can be categorized into one of 4 distinct personality types. If you can pinpoint which one of the 4 categories best describes them, you immediately know their hot buttons.

        Having said that, I personally wouldn't be interested in your WSO. No offense but to me it is far to easy to get the same info for free. Wish I had kept the material. I'd post it in the forum.

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        • Profile picture of the author ginnysclub1
          Originally Posted by sandalwood View Post

          Dr. John Geier used to teach this kind of material here in the US of A. He has since deceased but his DISC model hasn't. The idea behind his model, and many others, is people can be categorized into one of 4 distinct personality types. If you can pinpoint which one of the 4 categories best describes them, you immediately know their hot buttons.

          Having said that, I personally wouldn't be interested in your WSO. No offense but to me it is far to easy to get the same info for free. Wish I had kept the material. I'd post it in the forum.

          Tom
          Thanks for your reply.

          But I quickly googled "Dr Geier" because I have not heard about him before and from what I've read he provides a standard scientific kind of psychometric personality profiling, which is often very expensive to analyze potential candidates.

          My process is completely different because it is focused on influencing and motivation traits ONLY and it can be done by simply having a brief short casual conversation with someone, so there's no need fill in forms, etc
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          • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
            Originally Posted by ginnysclub1 View Post

            Thanks for your reply.

            But I quickly googled "Dr Geier" because I have not heard about him before and from what I've read he provides a standard scientific kind of psychometric personality profiling, which is often very expensive to analyze potential candidates.

            My process is completely different because it is focused on influencing and motivation traits ONLY and it can be done by simply having a brief short casual conversation with someone, so there's no need fill in forms, etc
            Ginny,

            You are correct about Geier's material being a psychometric personality profile. I don't use the word profile anymore because here in the US it has become the new "n" word. I prefer to use words like charactieristics and personality types. Since I took his program back in the 80's and tossed out a lot of material when we moved from CA to NV I am speaking from memory.

            When one studied his material one found it too focused on influencining and motivation traits. The idea was that if I know more about you than you know about yourself, I could own you. At least one of the proposals he put forth.

            It sounds like you and G are saying the same thing. You simply went about it in more depth. I also don't believe, not to be ornery, you have a "completely different" process. The simple truth in the process is people can be segregated into 4 categories.

            Most of us don't like to be told that because we think we are individuals. You are and you aren't. That can be proved by using certain words around the so called individuals. If you do, watch and see how they interpret and/or act. Bingo! you have their personality trait and it WILL be one of the four.

            Having said all that, you indeed may be on to a brand new never been discovered or used before process that works like a charm. I don't know because you didn't expound. And, you don't have to expound.

            I believe the people who have replied are pretty much in agreement unless you put some clothes on this lady, nobody's gonna buy it. By that I mean you have to elaborate.

            No, you don't have to give away the store. One way to do it would be to offer a pre-wso review copy to some of us who populate this forum. We all have had sales experience which means we have all dealt with almost every known personality trait and (probably) personality disorder known to man.

            None of us are afraid to give you an honest review. We won't spew our comments over the forum, we will send them to you so you can do with them as you please.

            Getting too wordy and it is past my nap time so I'll close this pontification w/a simple, do as you see fit w/the advice given. You are trying too hard to defend a position that isn't quite clear to the rest of us.
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      • Profile picture of the author econnors
        Originally Posted by ginnysclub1 View Post

        Fair point! It's extremely difficult trying to come up with a concise description of what the technique can do for you. But I'll give it a try.

        By using the technique, you can have a short casual conversation with someone and covertly extract they influencing and motivational traits, so you will immediately know how to persuade and convince them. Basically this allows you to tailor what is said to each individual on the fly so that you will accurately hit their buy buttons 100% of the time.
        So what separates this from any other product? Why is this unique? I'm still not sold. And you're still using big words. When I say that, I'm not saying that I don't understand the words, but you're trying too hard to dress this thing up instead of making it "dirty". Tell us why it rocks in the simplest language possible.

        I still stand behind my original No.
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  • Profile picture of the author ginnysclub1
    Please note, the first thought when I wrote this post was to aim it offline marketers who need or want to recruit 'paid by performance only' sales reps because only used the techniques for recruiting.

    However, they could also be used to motivate existing members of staff and to persuade potential clients to buy.
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  • Profile picture of the author beeswarn
    Are you polling us or trying to convince us?
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    • Profile picture of the author ginnysclub1
      Originally Posted by beeswarn View Post

      Are you polling us or trying to convince us?
      I am trying to clarify the difference between standard psychometric and conversational profiling.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    I voted no... because I just woke up and fell back asleep reading this.

    It bores me.

    Yes, there IS a need for this and I think it COULD benefit people. HOWEVER, if you can't convey your idea to the market you want to sell to, how can we be convinced what you have to offer even works?

    Also.. how do I know that the results are even that different than a regular john smith making an ad? Do you increase your conversions by 1%? 2%? 10%?

    I understand the importance of certain words and how you phrase things in order to trigger emotion, so I know there IS a market for this.

    My suggestion to you... ignore this thread... rewrite it in a more entertaining way that will captivate interest, and I'm sure your responses would be entirely different.

    I type long threads all the time.. if you don't make it entertaining then you get a bunch of people that look at the post, instead of really READING the post.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
    I have to be honest...I didn't read the OP - but that's mostly because I immediately went nuclear after reading the title of the thread and lost complete interest.

    Call me jaded.
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  • Profile picture of the author beeswarn
    I with Nameless. When you try to spam the forum and show us how smart you are, try to make it interesting.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Ok so this is coming from someone who actually knows a great deal about NLP. I got involved with NLP like 9 years ago when I was doing seduction/pickup in college.

    It is absolutely powerful stuff. Would I buy a WSO about NLP? Absolutely.

    Would I buy the WSO you're trying to make? Not right now how it reads no way.

    Why? It doesn't actually sound like you know how to teach NLP. NLP is VERY difficult to teach. It is a totally different vocabulary and throws a lot of people off like you saw in this thread.

    I also think some people in here need to learn how to read faster. I was able to skim your whole post in 15 seconds to see if it was worth reading. I decided "it has more value than most threads, so why not?" I read it. Didn't take too long either.

    My problem IS however the way you're describing the idea. Its not organized. It seems more like a random flow of thoughts, like this post lol.

    If you're going to teach NLP. First always make a list of all the words you're going to use and a short definition of each. NLP can read like a foriegn language to many. Then use bold, bullets, numbers etc and lists. Lots of the theories in NLP are fairly complex. So you need to practice it A LOT imo to really get a good grasp on the subject matter. Then to actually teach it you need to be that much more skilled at it.

    You should really write up the ACTUAL material you plan on selling, and post a short snippet here. That would account for a much better deciding factor.

    Good luck with your WSO either way. I suggest you just make a WSO on NLP in general, specific parts of it. Then specifically how it can be applied to marketing. Make it organized, clear, and direct. If you provide enough value in the WSO, and write it well enough, then provide some teaser copy, I don't see why it won't sell personally.

    All the bold in this post is for those who have a problem skimming things efficiently. =]

    gluck!
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  • Profile picture of the author GiveAndBeRich
    I liked your post and thought it was interesting and would like to read it when it is done.

    I read the whole thing and found it targeted a real problem of motivation and persuasion. It looked good to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Debtkiller
    As I read through this post, it reminded me of when I was an F&B Director. We were tested upon our hiring as well as all management staff. Many of the key hourly staff were tested too. These test included written versions of polygraph test, etc etc.

    The psychobabble everyone seems to be talking about here, like it or not...works.

    One test predicts how long an employee will work for the company, others test their traits for lying, theft, commitment etc. I personally found these written profile test to be pretty much spot on.

    Later on, as I moved to my own business, (Credit and Debt Counseling), I implemented these written test for "all" new hires. I found that new applicants, when I followed the testing and hired the correct applicant were almost always excellent...that is, at lease much better than trying to use my own "experience" to hire whom I thought were the correct new staff.

    I can see where if the right program was implemented in a wso for the purpose of improving say...click through rates or sales for a particular product on the web, or even implemented withing a wso would be very conducive to profiting from your wso!

    At the time of my vote, I am the only person voting "yes." Very interesting.
    I vote yes!
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  • Profile picture of the author af7850
    Yes, I'd certainly be open to it.

    I believe that some of the earlier replies hold quite a bit of value in helping craft your pitch; hell, they're basically telling you how to sell themselves.

    That said, I'm surprised at some of the reactions. After all, this is not a squeeze page, right? It's just a simple question about whether information on this topic would be of interest. I'm confident that a skilled nlp practitioner would develop a very compelling sales message before launching a wso.

    Personally, I appreciate the fact that a thread asking my opinion didn't read like a blatant sales pitch.


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