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Stranger Danger

12 years ago

I've seen the advertisements, but I've never used them...so I can't say. I guess it depends on how much control and customization you have with them - that, and loading times etc.

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Chronic IM

12 years ago

Hello! No, it's not SEO friendly.

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Jonathan Branson 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Chronic IM

Hello! No, it's not SEO friendly.

How do you know?
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ertweryt

12 years ago

SEO friendly or not is not the key to the business, i prefer social media traffic~ Put the energy on man better than machine~

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prismkuet

12 years ago

I never heard the name. From my experience in Internet Marketing, I learned that it's better to go with popular one though it's tough than selecting a new one.

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keyideas

12 years ago

Such type of website are not SEO friendly basically such type of websites are providing nofollow back link.

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daddykool

12 years ago

Voted NOT SEO anything!

All of the instant site builders, even some of the high end paid ones, with hosts tend to have "who" or "what" they are, all over the code and leave footprints, in some ways this is good but for SEO it sucks.

Simply search the big G for any website builder sites, built with one of the many builders out there, you will see they all have the same foootprint / coding / listings etc etc.

A better way to prove this, is, try and find a "naturally" listed website, built with one of the builders... Oh you can't!

Stick to WP/HTML/PHP and do you own Thannnnnnnnnngggggggggg!

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12 years ago

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No, its not SEO friendly, they come with lot of limitations and backup criteria.
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priya sinha 12 years ago

I simply agree with you
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12 years ago

A better question would be: what is SEO-friendly? I used to work with a company that offered a proprietary web builder program that was free, and yes, the code could get "junky," but I have seen sites do very well with those programs - this especially applies to sites who have a local presence.

For example, if you go to Google and type "in house dog sitting belleville," you will find a freewebs site in the bottom spot of page one. And the site is not that great...so, how do we explain this?

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mojo1

12 years ago

Originally Posted by econnors

A better question would be: what is SEO-friendly? I used to work with a company that offered a proprietary web builder program that was free, and yes, the code could get "junky," but I have seen sites do very well with those programs - this especially applies to sites who have a local presence.

For example, if you go to Google and type "in house dog sitting belleville," you will find a freewebs site in the bottom spot of page one. And the site is not that great...so, how do we explain this?

I agree with you. There are many websites built with free website builders that do perform well in the serps that I've come across after doing a review source.

Although I wouldn't want to necessarily use them long term for building client sites, they can be effective for local business owner who just want a simple online presence at an affordable price. Nothing really is the end all and be all with software. To each their own preference.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by econnors

A better question would be: what is SEO-friendly? I used to work with a company that offered a proprietary web builder program that was free, and yes, the code could get "junky," but I have seen sites do very well with those programs - this especially applies to sites who have a local presence.

For example, if you go to Google and type "in house dog sitting belleville," you will find a freewebs site in the bottom spot of page one. And the site is not that great...so, how do we explain this?

How do we explain it? Low competition... extreme long tailed keyword...

Simple press releases or a case study will out rank that website... and I'll prove it.

Are you from belleville? Funny you give that example.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

How do we explain it? Low competition... extreme long tailed keyword...

Simple press releases or a case study will out rank that website... and I'll prove it.

Are you from belleville? Funny you give that example.

What better way of finding out, than testing it?

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DianaHeuser 12 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

What better way of finding out, than testing it?

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This will be interesting to watch

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econnors 12 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

What better way of finding out, than testing it?

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Interesting approach...and I believe you will outrank it...those folks don't even update their site anymore. How easy is it to pass a turtle in a race? Come on now!

You have the advantage of a domain that already has several pages listed in Google. I didn't check the PR, but I'd imagine there's something there. I also didn't check your IBL, but I'm sure there's something there as well. Stagnant site vs. indexed and updated site is no competition. It's a given you will come out on top.

It would be more "true" if you built something from scratch. As a matter of fact - if you're feeling particularly up to a true test - you can build a site on your host (maybe setting up a new directory pointer) and I will put one on some free website builder. Up for that kind of challenge?
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

How do we explain it? Low competition... extreme long tailed keyword...

Simple press releases or a case study will out rank that website... and I'll prove it.

Are you from belleville? Funny you give that example.

I agree with you.

Correct me if I'm wrong - going for the long tail is the best way to rank - and low competition is key. This is the basic element of keyword research. Even with that crappy site (and it's terrible with a capital "T"), it can be ranked - even using the freewebs domain.

I can take a webs.com or wix.com site and rank it. It's all about knowing what you're doing. Nothing on these sites limits your ability to rank in the search engines...nothing. I've seen sites built in Word (yeah, it's like that) do well. I've seen site built in...wait for it...Excel do well. So, a WYSIWYG drag and drop web builder can make it.

P.S. - I used to live right outside of Belleville. Grew up in Southern IL. Now living in MO.

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danb12

12 years ago

If you want free quick and simple, use blogger.com to start. Its Google owned and with new the new updates to it, its very seo friendly. Im currently ranking #1 using a blogger with my own domain for a nice keyword too!

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by danb12

If you want free quick and simple, use blogger.com to start. Its Google owned and with new the new updates to it, its very seo friendly. Im currently ranking #1 using a blogger with my own domain for a nice keyword too!

I've caught a lot of flack about Blogger, too.

For some reason - folks feel that if you aren't paying something for it, it's not worth anything. In many cases, that's true, but not when it comes to the internet. Almost anything you can pay to do, I can do -- for no cost! :-)

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by econnors

I agree with you.

Correct me if I'm wrong - going for the long tail is the best way to rank - and low competition is key. This is the basic element of keyword research. Even with that crappy site (and it's terrible with a capital "T"), it can be ranked - even using the freewebs domain.

I can take a webs.com or wix.com site and rank it. It's all about knowing what you're doing. Nothing on these sites limits your ability to rank in the search engines...nothing. I've seen sites built in Word (yeah, it's like that) do well. I've seen site built in...wait for it...Excel do well. So, a WYSIWYG drag and drop web builder can make it.

P.S. - I used to live right outside of Belleville. Grew up in Southern IL. Now living in MO.

Well I guess you're right if you aren't good at SEO. Long tailed keywords bring less traffic... the search you mentioned, the most is gets in a month is probably from us just searching it. SEO isn't about finding low competition, or finding something easy to rank for... having a #1 ranking website is useless if you aren't getting results from it.

Also... YES... there is a LOT of things on those sites that limit your ranking ability. Google even says so! Show me a wix website that is ranking for a competitive term...

Properly coded websites are a BIG deal and these self build it sites are not properly coded...google hates that.

If you've really seen a site in excel do well, prove it. Show us the website.

Originally Posted by econnors

Interesting approach...and I believe you will outrank it...those folks don't even update their site anymore. How easy is it to pass a turtle in a race? Come on now!

You have the advantage of a domain that already has several pages listed in Google. I didn't check the PR, but I'd imagine there's something there. I also didn't check your IBL, but I'm sure there's something there as well. Stagnant site vs. indexed and updated site is no competition. It's a given you will come out on top.

It would be more "true" if you built something from scratch. As a matter of fact - if you're feeling particularly up to a true test - you can build a site on your host (maybe setting up a new directory pointer) and I will put one on some free website builder. Up for that kind of challenge?

PR1 home page... never linked to it from anywhere but here really..Also the home page PR has nothing to do with a newly created page that is not linked from anywhere else but this thread, so literally no juice is being passed. IBL has nothing to do with a newly created page as well.

If you really wanted to have a challenge, make it worth my time and put some money on it lol.

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No you can't.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

Well I guess you're right if you aren't good at SEO. Long tailed keywords bring less traffic... the search you mentioned, the most is gets in a month is probably from us just searching it. SEO isn't about finding low competition, or finding something easy to rank for... having a #1 ranking website is useless if you aren't getting results from it.

I agree, but only an idiot would try to optimize for "toys". Long tail keywords with a decent flow of traffic is an SEO goldmine. Keyword Effectiveness Index (KEI) - that's in Keyword Research 101 - and it's important for a reason. You have to not only look at search volume but also competition for that keyword. Someone who is good at SEO already knows this, though.

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

Also... YES... there is a LOT of things on those sites that limit your ranking ability. Google even says so! Show me a wix website that is ranking for a competitive term...

What do you define as competitive? How many other search results have to show? Are we talking about local keywords? Elaborate, and I'll show you. And, if I can't find one - I'll make one and show you that way.

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

Properly coded websites are a BIG deal and these self build it sites are not properly coded...google hates that.

Who made you the expert on Google? That's a serious question...people are quick to say what "Google hates" or "Google doesn't like." BS - unless you built the search algorithm, you don't know what they hate. Let me ask you this, though - have you tried and failed to optimize a site using a free website builder? If not, how can you even call it?

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

If you've really seen a site in excel do well, prove it. Show us the website.

I don't remember the site, but if you are still doubting it, I'll build one - throw it on a free host - use a free subdomain and show you.

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

PR1 home page... never linked to it from anywhere but here really..Also the home page PR has nothing to do with a newly created page that is not linked from anywhere else but this thread, so literally no juice is being passed. IBL has nothing to do with a newly created page as well.

What? IBL to the site can definitely affect your results. Why do you think page rank sculpting and other black hat tactics have been used to secure links for a site? Regardless of that - your site is established with a presence in Google already. Your site (I would imagine, anyway, not 100% sure) is updated regularly. Not a fair shake. This site is getting no new update activity.

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

No you can't.

Ha! There's a recurring theme here. I say try me.

My whole point here is that it is possible for a site to rank even with a free website builder. It is possible for sites to rank even if they don't have their own domain. Do you have to know what you're doing? Yes. There are a lot of things I don't know about offline marketing, cold calling, etc., but when it comes to online marketing, I'm far from a green pea...I know how to rank these sites - I've helped business owners do it. It's real.

Don't believe it, though, and be just like the folks who believe cold calling doesn't work just because naysayers say so. *drops mic and exits stage left*

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by econnors

I agree, but only an idiot would try to optimize for "toys". Long tail keywords with a decent flow of traffic is an SEO goldmine. Keyword Effectiveness Index (KEI) - that's in Keyword Research 101 - and it's important for a reason. You have to not only look at search volume but also competition for that keyword. Someone who is good at SEO already knows this, though.

What do you define as competitive? How many other search results have to show? Are we talking about local keywords? Elaborate, and I'll show you. And, if I can't find one - I'll make one and show you that way.

Who made you the expert on Google? That's a serious question...people are quick to say what "Google hates" or "Google doesn't like." BS - unless you built the search algorithm, you don't know what they hate. Let me ask you this, though - have you tried and failed to optimize a site using a free website builder? If not, how can you even call it?

I don't remember the site, but if you are still doubting it, I'll build one - throw it on a free host - use a free subdomain and show you.

What? IBL to the site can definitely affect your results. Why do you think page rank sculpting and other black hat tactics have been used to secure links for a site? Regardless of that - your site is established with a presence in Google already. Your site (I would imagine, anyway, not 100% sure) is updated regularly. Not a fair shake. This site is getting no new update activity.

Ha! There's a recurring theme here. I say try me.

My whole point here is that it is possible for a site to rank even with a free website builder. It is possible for sites to rank even if they don't have their own domain. Do you have to know what you're doing? Yes. There are a lot of things I don't know about offline marketing, cold calling, etc., but when it comes to online marketing, I'm far from a green pea...I know how to rank these sites - I've helped business owners do it. It's real.

Don't believe it, though, and be just like the folks who believe cold calling doesn't work just because naysayers say so. *drops mic and exits stage left*

I have ranked thousands and thousands of keywords..... How many have you ranked? Long tailed keywords that no one is dumb enough to target? "Toys" is a keyword that isn't dumb to shoot for, if you're skilled enough. We had 3 of the top 10 spots for just "web design". We owned 2 of the top 10 spots for "SEO". What have you done? Ranked a site in the 10th spot for "in house dog sitting belleville"?

You say it's BS saying what google likes and doesn't like... unlike you and many others, I don't GUESS, I test... and it also helps that Google TELLS YOU WHAT IT LIKES AND DISLIKES!!!!!

And good lord.... IBL mean nothing by itself... PR sculpting went out of date well over a year ago, it means nothing. Also, like I said, the only link to that page is in this thread, where now the OBL is going to be too high for it to really matter.

Enough talk though... show me a wix site that will rank for anything semi competitive. Major market major occupation or semi competitive national keywords.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

I have ranked thousands and thousands of keywords..... How many have you ranked? Long tailed keywords that no one is dumb enough to target? "Toys" is a keyword that isn't dumb to shoot for, if you're skilled enough. We had 3 of the top 10 spots for just "web design". We owned 2 of the top 10 spots for "SEO". What have you done? Ranked a site in the 10th spot for "in house dog sitting belleville"?

So you're saying long tail keywords are a bad thing? Maybe that's the case for the ignorant few among us who optimize for a long tail keyword that no one is searching for. Never mind, though, I'm sure you're not saying that...that was a hypothetical question...

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

You say it's BS saying what google likes and doesn't like... unlike you and many others, I don't GUESS, I test... and it also helps that Google TELLS YOU WHAT IT LIKES AND DISLIKES!!!!!

Show me where Google says they "don't like" code from website builders. I have a hard time believing that Google has told you or anyone else what they "like and dislike." I'm open to reviewing any proof that says otherwise.

As far as testing - I ask again, have you ever tried to rank a free website builder site? If not, you're not testing. You're doing what you think works - which is fine, but don't speculate one what doesn't work. Stick to what you know to be true...stop spreading false knowledge and/or speculation.

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

And good lord.... IBL mean nothing by itself... PR sculpting went out of date well over a year ago, it means nothing. Also, like I said, the only link to that page is in this thread, where now the OBL is going to be too high for it to really matter.

I never said it meant anything by itself. Did you actually read before you went off on a tangent?

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

Enough talk though... show me a wix site that will rank for anything semi competitive. Major market major occupation or semi competitive national keywords.

Here's an example (it's not Wix - actually it's worse in terms of sitebuilders...)

Go to Google and search for this term:

car wash st. louis

Once you search look for "Sho-Off Car Wash" - they aren't quite at the bottom of the page (there are actually three other results behind them).

This site is (A) terrible (B) built using the Web.com sitebuilder. The references are all over the code on the page - yet they are still on the first page of Google for a term that yields 4.4 million results. It gets 2,400 monthly searches.

Still believe a sitebuilder-type site can't rank because of clunkiness in the code?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by econnors

This site is (A) terrible (B) built using the Web.com sitebuilder. The references are all over the code on the page - yet they are still on the first page of Google for a term that yields 4.4 million results. It gets 2,400 monthly searches.

4.4 million results is not the actual results, it's more like 100-150. It doesn't get 2,400 monthly searches, you need to learn how to evaluate keywords I guess, it gets under 150. That is not competitive... It is clear you are not in the game of competitive SEO and can't even gauge the traffic.

Show me something in the web design, SEO, weight loss, or make money online, legal, medical niche...show me something competitive, not low traffic low competition... I don't get clients that are in low competition niches and a lot of people here don't go for them.

Google has said multiple times they don't like a lot of javascript in the code... site builders have validation problems because of how they are set up to build. I know this because I have developed one and it is impossible to code it properly to allow modifcations in favor of being search engine friendly. Google doesn't crawl the javascript, google doesn't like code that is not validated and up to standard. It also gives preference to faster websites, and these sites are not as fast as they should be with the little content on there.

As an offline marketer, you should not be recommending these because not only is it not standard and validated code, but it is bad for conversions. A #1 ranking will get less results than a website I'd build and put at #3. That really is the bigger issue, but I guess the niches you are going for it doesn't matter.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

We had 3 of the top 10 spots for just "web design". We owned 2 of the top 10 spots for "SEO".

My question is, where are you now? Ranking for a day doesn't count...or maybe all of the "extras" you do when trying to rank a site don't mean anything anymore...if those things were truly as important as you say they are, why are you no longer there? Old stuff is unverifiable and doesn't matter today...

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by econnors

My question is, where are you now? Ranking for a day doesn't count...or maybe all of the "extras" you do when trying to rank a site don't mean anything anymore...if those things were truly as important as you say they are, why are you no longer there? Old stuff is unverifiable and doesn't matter today...

You are a fool... You provided nothing of value in a thread where someone is asking for a response to a question regarding SEO.

Did you come here to learn, or make yourself look like a fool?

Where are you now? Why are you even questioning him? What have you done? Maybe, he quit caring and is focusing on his REAL business.

To the OP's question... No, 1 & 1 isn't as SEO friendly as some of the alternatives.

Update: He is still on the first page
See for yourself....

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=In+House+Dog+Si...lleville%2C+IL

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by vndnbrgj

You are a fool... You provided nothing of value in a thread where someone is asking for a response to a question regarding SEO.

Did you come here to learn, or make yourself look like a fool?

Where are you now? Why are you even questioning him? What have you done? Maybe, he quit caring and is focusing on his REAL business.

To the OP's question... No, 1 & 1 isn't as SEO friendly as some of the alternatives.

Update: He is still on the first page
See for yourself....

Let me google that for you

What?! :confused: Obviously you missed the discussion so we'll do you a favor and forget you ever said it...

To clarify - this was not a post to ask him where he was "physically"

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Nathan Robinson

Just get a wordpress theme and toy around with it, watch tutorials. Very easy to learn how to use them

Same here...

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masterjani

12 years ago

Two platforms most liked by google are wordpress and blogspot. As for as the forum side mybb and vbulletin.

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12 years ago

I'm not d familiar with that site but it really a great discussion here.

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HatKing

12 years ago

Agreed, they are not really SEO friendly. Its better if you purchase the domain, host it elsewhere (cheaper), install wordpress and SEO the site yourself. That way, your site will be more SEO friendly.

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gauravgaur

12 years ago

No, its not SEO friendly. Its useless. If you want to promote your business on Internet thn try to build a quality website...

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

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Originally Posted by econnors

This site is (A) terrible (B) built using the Web.com sitebuilder. The references are all over the code on the page - yet they are still on the first page of Google for a term that yields 4.4 million results. It gets 2,400 monthly searches.

4.4 million results is not the actual results, it's more like 100-150. It doesn't get 2,400 monthly searches, you need to learn how to evaluate keywords I guess, it gets under 150. That is not competitive... It is clear you are not in the game of competitive SEO and can't even gauge the traffic.

Show me something in the web design, SEO, weight loss, or make money online, legal, medical niche...show me something competitive, not low traffic low competition... I don't get clients that are in low competition niches and a lot of people here don't go for them.

Google has said multiple times they don't like a lot of javascript in the code... site builders have validation problems because of how they are set up to build. I know this because I have developed one and it is impossible to code it properly to allow modifcations in favor of being search engine friendly. Google doesn't crawl the javascript, google doesn't like code that is not validated and up to standard. It also gives preference to faster websites, and these sites are not as fast as they should be with the little content on there.

As an offline marketer, you should not be recommending these because not only is it not standard and validated code, but it is bad for conversions. A #1 ranking will get less results than a website I'd build and put at #3. That really is the bigger issue, but I guess the niches you are going for it doesn't matter.

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For someone who always cries for proof, you don't do a good job of providing proof. You say what Google likes and doesn't like...yet you provide no proof...save the hype for one of your clients that dont know any better...show some real proof here...

At any rate when you type that term in Google with no quotes, 4.4 million results come up...not talking exact match here because folks aren't searching for exact match on these terms...when I search for car wash st. louis, I am most likely ready to wash my car in that moment.

Also, for the keyword search traffic, I just ran a quick search in the Adwords Keyword Tool. Sounds like you are referring to an estimated traffic figure not search volume...

At any rate...this post isn't for you because you will never understand or admit when you're wrong...no matter what I show you in the way of proof...all you will do is try to make cheap cracks and unsubstantiated claims...what a waste...

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by econnors

For someone who always cries for proof, you don't do a good job of providing proof. You say what Google likes and doesn't like...yet you provide no proof...save the hype for one of your clients that dont know any better...show some real proof here...

At any rate when you type that term in Google with no quotes, 4.4 million results come up...not talking exact match here because folks aren't searching for exact match on these terms...when I search for car wash st. louis, I am most likely ready to wash my car in that moment.

Also, for the keyword search traffic, I just ran a quick search in the Adwords Keyword Tool. Sounds like you are referring to an estimated traffic figure not search volume...

At any rate...this post isn't for you because you will never understand or admit when you're wrong...no matter what I show you in the way of proof...all you will do is try to make cheap cracks and unsubstantiated claims...what a waste...

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1.) 4.4 million results is not REAL... Go through each page, you won't even get to 1,000 results. Out of those 4.4 million results, it includes pages that are indexed with the words, "st." "louis" "car" "wash".... if any of those are mentioned on a website, they are included in that number. The actual results that are not omitted is 513... anyone else can duplicate these results and see that I am right, and you are wrong... it isn't 4.4 million... it's 513 ACTUAL results

2.) 2,400 searches is not accurate, if you knew how to conduct proper keyword research, you would of course know the difference between broad match and exact match. The search query car wash st. louis brings 170 searches a month according to the adword keyword tool which by itself is already inflated for the purpose of increasing advertiser budgets and range of keywords.

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3.) If you could read my previous post and click on the link that shows the best practices, and had ANY idea what you were talking about you would put the two together. Show me a site builder that will allow you to modify the robots tag, show me a site builder that will allow you to optimize javascript so it isn't loaded first... show me a site builder that allows you to optimize the CSS and call it in instead of having it all on the same file of source code... show me a site builder that allows you to create CSS sprites....show me a site builder that allows you to GZIP... show me a site builder that allows you full control of optimizing speed, and the site for SEO purposes! You can't... you might find one that can not include javascript, but you will not find one that can do all these things,. How is this RELEVANT? According to Google, and the best practices they recommend, these things are important. Why are they important? Because they directly effect user experience, that is what Google cares about most, the experience of the users when they visit your website.

4.) I have proof of ranking THOUSANDS of keywords... I have used case studies ON THIS FORUM and just using threads to rank for competitive keywords. For example... search killer guide to SEO and see who comes up as #1... using this forum... I have plenty REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE on top of documented proof... where's your proof of ranking anything close to being competitive? You've already shown your "proof" of knowledge with keyword research...

Anyway... I will admit you're right about one thing.... I won't admit I'm wrong, because I'm not wrong.

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12 years ago

econners-

The fact that you have chosen a keyword phrase that could rank with on-site SEO, alone, has caused this argument to mutate in to worthlessness. Also, there is no reason to make these matters personal.

It's not so much that people disagree with you - poorly coded sites can still rank - it's just easier if you approach things the correct way...with sites that load quickly, don't leave an obvious footprint and are optimized properly with on-site (and off-site) SEO.

We don't have to know what google prefers...we simply have to test things. It is easy to realize these things when you have thousands of online marketers constantly documenting and sharing their results with the online community. Sure, some of it is hearsay...but some of it isn't. It is not hard to test these things for yourself to confirm. To make matters worse...the algo is always changing - so what works today may not work tomorrow. So, there is no point in splitting hairs here.

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For someone who always cries for proof, you don't do a good job of providing proof. You say what Google likes and doesn't like...yet you provide no proof...save the hype for one of your clients that dont know any better...show some real proof here...

At any rate when you type that term in Google with no quotes, 4.4 million results come up...not talking exact match here because folks aren't searching for exact match on these terms...when I search for car wash st. louis, I am most likely ready to wash my car in that moment.

Also, for the keyword search traffic, I just ran a quick search in the Adwords Keyword Tool. Sounds like you are referring to an estimated traffic figure not search volume...

At any rate...this post isn't for you because you will never understand or admit when you're wrong...no matter what I show you in the way of proof...all you will do is try to make cheap cracks and unsubstantiated claims...what a waste...

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1.) 4.4 million results is not REAL... Go through each page, you won't even get to 1,000 results. Out of those 4.4 million results, it includes pages that are indexed with the words, "st." "louis" "car" "wash".... if any of those are mentioned on a website, they are included in that number. The actual results that are not omitted is 513... anyone else can duplicate these results and see that I am right, and you are wrong... it isn't 4.4 million... it's 513 ACTUAL results

2.) 2,400 searches is not accurate, if you knew how to conduct proper keyword research, you would of course know the difference between broad match and exact match. The search query car wash st. louis brings 170 searches a month according to the adword keyword tool which by itself is already inflated for the purpose of increasing advertiser budgets and range of keywords.

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3.) If you could read my previous post and click on the link that shows the best practices, and had ANY idea what you were talking about you would put the two together. Show me a site builder that will allow you to modify the robots tag, show me a site builder that will allow you to optimize javascript so it isn't loaded first... show me a site builder that allows you to optimize the CSS and call it in instead of having it all on the same file of source code... show me a site builder that allows you to create CSS sprites....show me a site builder that allows you to GZIP... show me a site builder that allows you full control of optimizing speed, and the site for SEO purposes! You can't... you might find one that can not include javascript, but you will not find one that can do all these things,. How is this RELEVANT? According to Google, and the best practices they recommend, these things are important. Why are they important? Because they directly effect user experience, that is what Google cares about most, the experience of the users when they visit your website.

4.) I have proof of ranking THOUSANDS of keywords... I have used case studies ON THIS FORUM and just using threads to rank for competitive keywords. For example... search killer guide to SEO and see who comes up as #1... using this forum... I have plenty REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE on top of documented proof... where's your proof of ranking anything close to being competitive? You've already shown your "proof" of knowledge with keyword research...

Anyway... I will admit you're right about one thing.... I won't admit I'm wrong, because I'm not wrong.

If you actually read instead of just going off on a tangent, you would know that I said this wasn't exact match. Exact match is pointless at the end of the day. Why? Because people dont always search using exact match. We are talking about real customers here not SEOs...

With that said, there is proof that even a horrible sitebuilder site can rank. It is a lie to say anything different. Believe it or not...at the end of the day, the most important this is content. Coding a site properly may be a "best practice," but a site can rank without those things you mention...especially if it is a site in the offline marketing space...like car washes in st. louis. If you know what you're doing, you can run a successful site without those things. This is the offline marketing forum, right? No need to answer that question though you probably aren't able to comprehend it anyway.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Stranger Danger

econners-

The fact that you have chosen a keyword phrase that could rank with on-site SEO, alone, has caused this argument to mutate in to worthlessness. Also, there is no reason to make these matters personal.

It's not so much that people disagree with you - poorly coded sites can still rank - it's just easier if you approach things the correct way...with sites that load quickly, don't leave an obvious footprint and are optimized properly with on-site (and off-site) SEO.

We don't have to know what google prefers...we simply have to test things. It is easy to realize these things when you have thousands of online marketers constantly documenting and sharing their results with the online community. Sure, some of it is hearsay...but some of it isn't. It is not hard to test these things for yourself to confirm. To make matters worse...the algo is always changing - so what works today may not work tomorrow. So, there is no point in splitting hairs here.

Agreed. My whole point is that they can rank. No one has tested to prove otherwise and it's irresponsible to suggest that they can't. No one has tested the inability to rank...yet I have provided two examples of sites that are ranking. If there is a person among us who has really tested it and can provide proof, they are the ones qualifed to state their inability to rank as fact. Everyone else is just assuming...and you know what they say about assuming...

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12 years ago

You need to have your own domain so that you can build backlinks that matter and so that you can perform "on site" SEO.

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12 years ago

Just for ****s and giggles, here's another example...again proving that sitebuilder sites can rank - even for more competitive terms.

Search for "mobile detailing". It gets 2400 global and 1900 local monthly searches on Google (according to the Adwords tool) and this is exact match since you like that so well...

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It's also "high" competition according to the Google Adwords Keyword Tool (proof shown above).

If you look at "Exclusive Mobile Detailing" - that is a Homestead™ site - with the tell-tale evidence at the bottom.

Like with the others, the site is terrible, but it's ranked...how did that happen?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by econnors

It's also "high" competition according to the Google Adwords Keyword Tool (proof shown above).

If you look at "Exclusive Mobile Detailing" - that is a Homestead™ site - with the tell-tale evidence at the bottom.

Like with the others, the site is terrible, but it's ranked...how did that happen?

GEEZE.... "High" Competition with Google Adwords is an ADVERTISING METRIC not a SERP metric. It isn't competitive, in the SERPs or in PPC... with a starting avg of $1.50 CPC this would be easy to own in adwords, and there are only 3 main advertisers. I'm glad we're going back and forth here because you allowed me to find a couple hot qualified leads that can get almost immediate results.

It ranks because the niche is non competitive and that is an exact match domain.

I could rank the entire top 10 in a month or less.

That keyword gets 16 searches a month. Mobile detailing gets the 1,900 searches a month.

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econnors 12 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

That keyword gets 16 searches a month. Mobile detailing gets the 1,900 searches a month.

I think you're confused. Did you not see that I was referring to the term "Mobile Detailing?" That was the first part of my message. All of this back and forth may be because you're not digesting and comprehending what I say before you respond - which I'm fully convinced of based on the way you've responded several times on here... When I said "Extreme Mobile Detailing," I was referring to the name of the site.

Since this is so non-competitive, why not put a page up on your site and rank for this one? Mobile Detailing - go ahead - it'll be easy!
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12 years ago

well, any over night sites, like intuit, godaddy, 1on1 are not search engine friendly. If someone had website of these types and rank high, that means their competitions are weak.

I can beat any overnight website in probably a month so no..they're not search engine friendly because any wordpress site will outrank you

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Originally Posted by econnors

If you actually read instead of just going off on a tangent, you would know that I said this wasn't exact match. Exact match is pointless at the end of the day. Why? Because people dont always search using exact match. We are talking about real customers here not SEOs...

With that said, there is proof that even a horrible sitebuilder site can rank. It is a lie to say anything different. Believe it or not...at the end of the day, the most important this is content. Coding a site properly may be a "best practice," but a site can rank without those things you mention...especially if it is a site in the offline marketing space...like car washes in st. louis. If you know what you're doing, you can run a successful site without those things. This is the offline marketing forum, right? No need to answer that question though you probably aren't able to comprehend it anyway.

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Good lord you know nothing about keyword research.

Broad match is not just typing those keywords in... car wash st. louis would be broad match for, st. louis car... wash cars...st. louis wash.. etc... that is BROAD MATCH... which is IRRELEVANT!

Exact match, is someone typing in EXACTLY, car wash st. louis.

Learn the basics before you want to argue about this.

Originally Posted by econnors

Agreed. My whole point is that they can rank. No one has tested to prove otherwise and it's irresponsible to suggest that they can't. No one has tested the inability to rank...yet I have provided two examples of sites that are ranking. If there is a person among us who has really tested it and can provide proof, they are the ones qualifed to state their inability to rank as fact. Everyone else is just assuming...and you know what they say about assuming...

My point is they can't rank for competitive terms, and you have yet to show proof they can.

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My question is, where are you now? Ranking for a day doesn't count...or maybe all of the "extras" you do when trying to rank a site don't mean anything anymore...if those things were truly as important as you say they are, why are you no longer there? Old stuff is unverifiable and doesn't matter today...

I own entire niches... my clients own entire niches... Your little in house dog sitting keyword, all I did was create a page that isn't linked to anywhere but in this thread. Imagine if I wanted to dominate the first 3 pages? It would take me about 3-4 days.

One of my clients, is ranking for over 60,000 keywords... major corporation.

I have offered proof, I have given you links, I have already done case studies, I have shown enough proof of what I can do... The only thing you're showing is that you don't have the ability to rank for anything competitive. You keep talking about that these site builders can rank... but ever since I have been a member here, nobody has been able to show me one that ranks top 10 for anything competitive. If you think cash wash st. louis is a good example... or in house dog sitting belleville (which no longer ranks top 10) you have a clear misunderstanding of competition.

I own 8 top 3 rankings in the make money online niche... my own WSO thread on this forum ranks for killer guide to seo... I have ranked over 200 one work keywords.... I just took on a new client for ranking they keywords, bird seed, and have already broke into the top 10 within 6 weeks. What have you done?

My credentials aren't up for debate...

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Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

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Originally Posted by econnors

It's also "high" competition according to the Google Adwords Keyword Tool (proof shown above).

If you look at "Exclusive Mobile Detailing" - that is a Homesteadâ„¢ site - with the tell-tale evidence at the bottom.

Like with the others, the site is terrible, but it's ranked...how did that happen?

GEEZE.... "High" Competition with Google Adwords is an ADVERTISING METRIC not a SERP metric. It isn't competitive, in the SERPs or in PPC... with a starting avg of $1.50 CPC this would be easy to own in adwords, and there are only 3 main advertisers. I'm glad we're going back and forth here because you allowed me to find a couple hot qualified leads that can get almost immediate results.

It ranks because the niche is non competitive and that is an exact match domain.

I could rank the entire top 10 in a month or less.

That keyword gets 16 searches a month. Mobile detailing gets the 1,900 searches a month.

Lol...ok you define high competition in your terms and I will show you one that fits YOUR parameters...give me minimum competiton figures. Let's go and I will show you that it can be done. Point blank.

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VHSEOMike 12 years ago

Why don't you go for WordPress? You could make a site within a few minutes, and it would be SEO friendly.
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12 years ago

More proof...

Go to Google and search the term "beauty salon."

The listing for "Home - Kathie's Beauty Salon" is second from the bottom. It is built using webs.com (freewebs.com).

According to the Google Adwords Keyword Tool, it gets 27,100 global and 6,600 local monthly searches.

Alright, I'm officially letting this topic go - my point has been proven. Sitebuilder sites can rank just as well as any other site. Continue on to your regularly scheduled programming...

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Originally Posted by econnors

More proof...

Go to Google and search the term "beauty salon."

The listing for "Home - Kathie's Beauty Salon" is second from the bottom. It is built using webs.com (freewebs.com).

According to the Google Adwords Keyword Tool, it gets 27,100 global and 6,600 local monthly searches.

Alright, I'm officially letting this topic go - my point has been proven. Sitebuilder sites can rank just as well as any other site. Continue on to your regularly scheduled programming...

I don't know what rankings you see, but I don't see Kathy's beauty salon on the first page for those keywords. Bottom 2nd page for me..

What I consider high competition... is 30-40K + searches/month, pr4-5+ of first page rankings... average domain age of 4 years.

Instead of continuing the idiocy... why not just pick a keyword, and let's just do our thing and see who ranks better? Let's make it interesting and put some money up for it... You use a site builder, and I'll use a CMS. All the nonsensical psychobabble is boring me now... Choose a keyword and lets do it... we can go back and forth all day but let's make it real, with real proof... That way we can use real case studies and provide real value.

Also, your point wasn't proven. If sitebuilder websites could rank just as well, then why are all these examples on the bottom of the page, or on page 2, losing out to sites that didn't use site builders?

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