How are your local sites doing post Penguin?

12 years ago

Same problem as yours, as of now I'm on the process of discovering things that could probably help. Anyway I'm continuing forum commenting, blogging and of course posting quality articles.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by kayetaylor

Same problem as yours, as of now I'm on the process of discovering things that could probably help. Anyway I'm continuing forum commenting, blogging and of course posting quality articles.

I'm looking at alternate methods of getting traffic to my clients sites as well. These changes have caused me to look at other income streams as well "affiliate marketing" so that if my clients bail I won't suffer as much.

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grey38

12 years ago

Backlinking is definitely going to get weaker if nothing else. Social is up and running better than ever, so those signals are going to be a great part of the SEO. Such as setting up a FB and them getting a few hundred likes in the local area. Which would also be displayed on the website like a social sidebar. That would help immensely. Just having a mobile site is great for local seo, but if google hasn't already, they're probably going to take that one step further and will include the amount of likes coming from mobile phones or something to that extent.

I'm speaking strictly from reading on some top warriors' posts and critical thinking. I have however had no issues ranking locally with a few clients I've just picked up.

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mraffiliate

12 years ago

I haven't had any issues ranking locally except for this one site post penguin. We don't know if what we are doing now will be penalized later by Google. Even though Google says getting any backlinks that are not done "naturally" is gaming the system, well if a site doesn't receive these "unnatural links" it will never rank.

Originally Posted by grey38

I'm speaking strictly from reading on some top warriors' posts and critical thinking. I have however had no issues ranking locally with a few clients I've just picked up.

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awesummer

12 years ago

Google Penguin did a massive damage.
Link builders are going to lose their jobs, I tell you.

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grey38

12 years ago

Ya know this is something I just thought of, and any SEO experts correct me if i'm wrong (there is a good chance I am wrong), but sites that are doomed because of too many non-organic backlinks could just change the domain. At least then they would get a fresh start. There would need to be a decent deal of backend work as far as bringing over all content and configurations, but then you'd be good to go. no? If those backlinks don't go anywhere and stay linked to the current domain, they're just going to hurt you.

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Ricardoernestogonzalez

12 years ago

Social Bookmarking and Directory Submissions are gone worse in Link building methods, as directories getting De-indexed more often from Google and social bookmarking have done in very low quality sites. Article Creation and blog posting and Forum Posting as well community link building efforts seems good right now. Google webmaster tools offers information on bad link archeology method called link pruning that helps you remove the low quality sites links and bad sites linking to you by identifying them all at once.

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zoro

12 years ago

Lost rankings for several of my client's websites ... Big Time. They were all ranking 1 - 2 - 3 on Google for 12 months before the big bad Black & White Penguin knocked them out to pages 76 - 86 - 91 etc.
All sites had minimal backlinks (all white hat).
Several of my clients have now cancelled my SEO services for them.

I will not be relying on Google organic search for any websites ever again. Changing direction.

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grey38

12 years ago

Originally Posted by zoro

Lost rankings for several of my client's websites ... Big Time. They were all ranking 1 - 2 - 3 on Google for 12 months before the big bad Black & White Penguin knocked them out to pages 76 - 86 - 91 etc.
All sites had minimal backlinks (all white hat).
Several of my clients have now cancelled my SEO services for them.

I will not be relying on Google organic search for any websites ever again. Changing direction.

Wow all white hat and still knocked off. I haven't read this yet (haven't read too much though on penguin). That is true though. Backlinking was once a huge help to sites, now it's considered bad if overly used. What is considered good now, may be bad later. I can't actually think of any points, but their objective since the start of google was to provide quality information in their search engines. If it's not quality I could understand being knocked back, but pages 76+, something must've been done wrong?

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sodomojo

12 years ago

Originally Posted by grey38

Wow all white hat and still knocked off. I haven't read this yet (haven't read too much though on penguin). That is true though. Backlinking was once a huge help to sites, now it's considered bad if overly used. What is considered good now, may be bad later. I can't actually think of any points, but their objective since the start of google was to provide quality information in their search engines. If it's not quality I could understand being knocked back, but pages 76+, something must've been done wrong?

Why would they cancel? You got them to page one. They need you now more than ever.

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mraffiliate

12 years ago

Originally Posted by zoro

Lost rankings for several of my client's websites ... Big Time. They were all ranking 1 - 2 - 3 on Google for 12 months before the big bad Black & White Penguin knocked them out to pages 76 - 86 - 91 etc.
All sites had minimal backlinks (all white hat).
Several of my clients have now cancelled my SEO services for them.

I will not be relying on Google organic search for any websites ever again. Changing direction.

Sorry to hear that. I've been lurking around the Google help forums and there are a lot of sites that practiced only white hat techniques and got hit hard and a lot of spam sites floated to the top.

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rolltide

12 years ago

Jeff,
Use the $20 source I have mentioned to you numerous times. That source was golden before the Google changes and is still golden today. I have given them over 40 orders. Every single one of them is on the first page . None of the sites had any previous SEO. Some are in very competitive niches with 2K monthly searches. You will thank me in 2 weeks when your clients are sitting on top of page 1. The rankings don't drop off either. They stay at the top.

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AussieT

12 years ago

Originally Posted by rolltide

Jeff,
Use the $20 source I have mentioned to you numerous times. That source was golden before the Google changes and is still golden today. I have given them over 40 orders. Every single one of them is on the first page . None of the sites had any previous SEO. Some are in very competitive niches with 2K monthly searches. You will thank me in 2 weeks when your clients are sitting on top of page 1. The rankings don't drop off either. They stay at the top.

Would love to know that $20 source. Did you mention in a thread or privately?

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mraffiliate 12 years ago

Originally Posted by AussieT

Would love to know that $20 source. Did you mention in a thread or privately?

Rolltide has been very gracious on helping me with ranking videos. The information he gave me wasn't free. We worked out a deal.
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mraffiliate

12 years ago

Originally Posted by rolltide

Jeff,
Use the $20 source I have mentioned to you numerous times. That source was golden before the Google changes and is still golden today. I have given them over 40 orders. Every single one of them is on the first page . None of the sites had any previous SEO. Some are in very competitive niches with 2K monthly searches. You will thank me in 2 weeks when your clients are sitting on top of page 1. The rankings don't drop off either. They stay at the top.

I've been very cautious of using backlink services for my clients sites for fear of getting them banned later down the road. This is one of the reasons I'm getting into video marketing and some other stuff. I'm using the information you gave me for video right now but I'm not sure about using it on clients site just yet.

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Mister Natural

12 years ago

Originally Posted by rolltide

Jeff,
Use the $20 source I have mentioned to you numerous times. That source was golden before the Google changes and is still golden today. I have given them over 40 orders. Every single one of them is on the first page . None of the sites had any previous SEO. Some are in very competitive niches with 2K monthly searches. You will thank me in 2 weeks when your clients are sitting on top of page 1. The rankings don't drop off either. They stay at the top.

This sounds very interesting. Is it by PM only?

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rolltide

12 years ago

I have been using this for months. Try it with 1 site. You will be extremely impressed!

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mraffiliate 12 years ago

Originally Posted by rolltide

I have been using this for months. Try it with 1 site. You will be extremely impressed!

I will have to think about it today while at work. I might try it on the client's site that I talked to on the phone last night. Really I have nothing to lose and everything to gain since I suspended his auto payments through PayPal for this month since his rankings significantly dropped last month.
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rolltide

12 years ago

Jeff,
You are going to do great in video marketing. Just follow the simple step by step system I laid out and you will make money. Email me back with answers to those questions as well. I will give you even more pointers that could get you ranked quicker. I want to see you on page 1 soon!

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rolltide

12 years ago

Seriously, place an order tonight and you will be on page 1 by the end of the month. If not, I will give you $20.

Now, you don't have anything to lose

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Trent Brownrigg

12 years ago

I am with the others in that I would love to know this source you are speaking of rolltide! Care to share?

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12 years ago

Yeah Rolltide, who is the provider? I will say him you recomended me and you might get some discount from him or whatever.

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rolltide

12 years ago

That gig is one of the many in my arsenal . The majority of my top outsourcers aren't even on this forum. I rank sites and videos in sites all across the USA. Never spending over $50 to rank any keyword. Even keywords with 10-25K searches a month. I am helping Mr Affiliate and one other member of this forum right now. By following my blueprint, they will rank on page 1 for any site or video they want within reason. I can't rank yet for sex or credit repair

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JohnnyBattles

12 years ago

I think he is referring to this $20 service...

http://www.warriorforum.com/warriors...only-19-a.html

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AussieT 12 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnnyBattles

I think he is referring to this $20 service...

http://www.warriorforum.com/warriors...only-19-a.html

Its only one of many he uses, so it may not be the main one.
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Trent Brownrigg

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Nathan Robinson

Sooo your not gonna tell us? haha Sounds like an upcoming WSO

Exactly! Being very secretive about it while giving just enough information to peek our interest. Looks like a presell for an upcoming product or service to me!

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Angela V. Edwards

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Trent Brownrigg

Exactly! Being very secretive about it while giving just enough information to peek our interest. Looks like a presell for an upcoming product or service to me!

That's what I thought. I haven't ranked very many "local" sites, but my doctor's site is still in the number one spot for his keyword and has remained through Panda AND Penguin. Over three full years. I suspect that although Google mentioned "over optimization", having an Authority Site is a much bigger factor. What kinds of sites has everyone been ranking for their clients?

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sarlat

12 years ago

I had a horse racing site which was ranking really well on page 1 in a tough niche and had used back linkers. Now its nowhere

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rolltide

12 years ago

no wso in the works for me

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Bruce99

12 years ago

Its interesting what people think penguin has done, a lot of people seem to think over optimising keyword anchor text of link pointing to your site is bad. Does that mean that just leaving your name as the anchor text to your site is better? How will Google know what that link is really voting for?

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zoro

12 years ago

Lets face it, no one knows what Google is up to. Whether it's a Panda, Penguin or a Zebra, who cares? Google can give you traffic and take it away again when it feels like it. The big boys (authority sites) are the ones Google likes, to hell with the rest, Google wants us to buy their adwords advertising.

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Angela V. Edwards

12 years ago

Originally Posted by zoro

Lets face it, no one knows what Google is up to. Whether it's a Panda, Penguin or a Zebra, who cares? Google can give you traffic and take it away again when it feels like it. The big boys (authority sites) are the ones Google likes, to hell with the rest, Google wants us to buy their adwords advertising.

I know that marketers don't like it (I got some flak when I mentioned it Post-Penguin) but you're right; Google prefers the Authority Sites. If you think about it, though, it's the Authority Sites who DON'T do things like use some sort of software to place a boatload of links and then ping all the links and use things like "Build My Rank" and stuff like that. Home Depot, Costco, and Sears aren't doing that type of linkbuilding. Therefore it makes sense that Google would give preference to Authority Sites; they are coming a bit closer to "following the rules" than many other sites are, although I know they also have SEO folks who are doing work for their sites, too.

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AussieT

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

I know that marketers don't like it (I got some flak when I mentioned it Post-Penguin) but you're right; Google prefers the Authority Sites. If you think about it, though, it's the Authority Sites who DON'T do things like use some sort of software to place a boatload of links and then ping all the links and use things like "Build My Rank" and stuff like that. Home Depot, Costco, and Sears aren't doing that type of linkbuilding. Therefore it makes sense that Google would give preference to Authority Sites; they are coming a bit closer to "following the rules" than many other sites are, although I know they also have SEO folks who are doing work for their sites, too.

Hi Angela
How are people faring now using your previously popular profile links packages?

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Angela V. Edwards 12 years ago

Originally Posted by AussieT

Hi Angela
How are people faring now using your previously popular profile links packages?

"People" are faring just like they always have. Those who believe everything they hear without actually testing it for themselves get scared off of links really quickly. Long term successful Internet Marketers use the links very successfully now, just like they always did. Keep in mind that *I* have never advocated stuff like Build My Rank or using software to place hundreds of links or gaining links across one platform only or any of the rest of that stuff that's now being penalized. (And it's a myth that "profile" type links or forum links or signature links or what have you are less effective now than they were before.) So those who place the links correctly do just fine and those who are spooked by thinking that Google is behind every bush just waiting to jump out and "get" them move on to whatever the next "flavor of the week" happens to be. :rolleyes:
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

I know that marketers don't like it (I got some flak when I mentioned it Post-Penguin) but you're right; Google prefers the Authority Sites. If you think about it, though, it's the Authority Sites who DON'T do things like use some sort of software to place a boatload of links and then ping all the links and use things like "Build My Rank" and stuff like that. Home Depot, Costco, and Sears aren't doing that type of linkbuilding. Therefore it makes sense that Google would give preference to Authority Sites; they are coming a bit closer to "following the rules" than many other sites are, although I know they also have SEO folks who are doing work for their sites, too.

I would correct one thing... Google's USERS prefer the authority sites. This is what people don't get. They get all pissy with Google, but in actuality Google is trying to give its users what they want. They are not in business to cater to those trying to manipulate the algorithm. Their #1 source of income is AdWords. If people stop using the search bar, AdWords advertisers go away. They need to give users what they want so they continue Googling away.

For example, if I am searching for a new plasma TV and type in some search relating to that, I want to see what sites like Best Buy, Cnet, etc have to say about plasma TVs. I don't want to see bestsamsungplasmatvreviewsever-reallyIswear.org in the search results. I don't care what someone who has no credibility or brand recognition has to say about TVs.

And you are right, generally those big brands are not creating junky profile links, forum signature links, spinning articles and submitting them to 5000 directories, creating 700 Web 2.0 sites and posting the same 3 spun articles to each one (and still calling it quality), doing blog commenting, or buying blogroll links.

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Aaron Doud

12 years ago

I can tell you personally that I find the search results that google gives me now suck.

For example i just searched for a local realtor company by name and the main website didn't come up but pages and pages of the individual realtors and their videos and other crap did. Results like that piss me off and if enough people get crappy results like that they will leave google.

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mraffiliate

12 years ago

I have to agree with you. I'm getting a lot of sites that haven't been updated in years with crap outdated content. If I had the financial means I would like to start a search engine.

Originally Posted by Aaron Doud

I can tell you personally that I find the search results that google gives me now suck.

For example i just searched for a local realtor company by name and the main website didn't come up but pages and pages of the individual realtors and their videos and other crap did. Results like that piss me off and if enough people get crappy results like that they will leave google.

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Bottlenecker

12 years ago

Google Penguin did a massive damage.
All back-Link builders are facing problem and going to lose their jobs.

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zoro 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Bottlenecker

Google Penguin did a massive damage.
All back-Link builders are facing problem and going to lose their jobs.

I think we have a spammer?
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mayankgangwal

12 years ago

Just do what you are doing ever since and go for quality rather then quantity. Go for relevant and never purchase links as itz out of date

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William Maloney

12 years ago

I agree, quality is better, quantity is sometimes irrelevant. My websites are okay after Google Penguin, that's because I focused everything on the quality of the content and on the quality of the backlinks.

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prismkuet

12 years ago

Still not sure what to do. I am afraid of doing anything with back links now. Because something I feel is ok may be penalized by penguin after few days. It's a horrible situation. Need time to understand, what we really need to do.

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mraffiliate

12 years ago

Originally Posted by prismkuet

Still not sure what to do. I am afraid of doing anything with back links now. Because something I feel is ok may be penalized by penguin after few days. It's a horrible situation. Need time to understand, what we really need to do.

I listened to an audio interview yesterday of the guy that owns the website "ask the builder". He indicated that Google was systematically pushing affiliate's sites down the rankings so that Google will eventually be the lead generator for both offline and online businesses.

He stated that Google is seeing all these affiliates on the 1st page of Google organic making a lot of money and Google is getting nothing out of the deal, so they want that piece of the pie.

When I first got into IM a few years ago, I honestly thought that Google owned the web. I thought everything went through Google's search and I'm sure a lot of people think this way. Google is primarily people's first point of contact to the rest of the web.

So I'm looking into alternate traffic sources. I will still try and rank sites in Google organic but it is too unstable to rely solely on it.

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JohnnyBattles 12 years ago

Changes are inevitable but doing things the right way will never change. To keep things in perspective, when Walmart moves in an puts all the mom and pops out of business it wasn't the end of the world.

Advertising is just one part of Google's revenue stream. The big G is actually a good example of diversifying. They just bought Motorola and are competing against apple with their android OS. They have chrome, the search engine and have won many government contracts with secure email etc...

Then you have apple who wants to take over the world with their i products. Maybe apple is working on their own search engine to take over Google. Who knows

The point is that change can either energize you or destroy you. Its ok to be upset for a minute, but then you gotta raise your thought process and adapt.

Now get back to work!
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rolltide

12 years ago

Mr. Affiliate-I just sent you an important PM.

PM me back today when you get a chance.

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Hugh

12 years ago

Saw a mild decline in position for a number of sites. Now,
seems to be slowly creeping back. Fingers crossed.

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