Newsletters, eh? Questions...

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So, I've been inspired by someone else's post regarding offering newsletter content to offline businesses. That is a great idea! I want to try that.

I haven't chosen a niche yet, but I'd most likely be focusing on businesses related to health, home improvement or adult education in a field where I have qualifications.

What about these services and prices?

Two white-label (PLR) articles a month-- $20/mo (No two in the same city/ZIP code, of course)
Two unique articles a month -- $100
Short report opt-in incentive (white label) -- Free with sign-up
Short report opt-in incentive (unique) -- $250
List management using ConstantContact (two mailings/mo) -- $50/mo (plus content and possibly a set-up fee if they need website integration)

This would be based on a six-month membership with maybe a 10% discount for 12 months. I could charge more for less time, but I can't imagine anyone would bother with a newsletter for two or three months. That said, I think offering some kind of trial would be a good idea.

Now, $20/mo for seems suspiciously low and I wonder if that might be off-putting. With list management, though, it would come to $70/mo, which is a little more than what I've see some companies charging for content and list management.

Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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  • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
    Done that for years in chiropractic. Stopped doing it about 2 years ago to concentrate on another venture with a new partner (which I now know was a big mistake).

    About 6-7 months ago, after seperating from said partner, I decided to go back to DRM because it's "what I know" and restarted the Chiropractic newsletter, as well as 2 others.

    On the very basic level of service, we offer a "PLR" newsletter to clients that they can then print themselves and distribute to their past and present patients. This newsletter arrives via email, once monthly.

    No more than one practitioner in the SAME local area may join. That way we have no "over laps" and the service stays clean.

    The cost for this is $37.00 a month and it's almost "to easy" to fill the service.

    We're thinking of raising the fee to $47.00 a month but the jury is still out on that.

    Prety easy to run. I've hired a medical journalist and then insert those articles into a professional Word template (I have custom made) and email it out to all members once a month.

    4 articles per issue, each month.

    THEY print and distribute.

    I have an OTO where WE handle everything.

    In this scenerio, the members upload their list into their account and WE handle everything above, as well as print/mail.

    The price point on this lever varies depending on volume... though i don't heavily promote this OTO because I have no desire to be in the "printing" business.

    If you want to see the service, please go to my BLOG at benpedersen dot com, and click on "Newsletters".
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    • Profile picture of the author AmarieP
      Nice Business Model XponentSYS,

      I am curious to know how many businesses do you work with now? (if you don't mind me asking) and how do you pitch this? is it a hard pitch or pretty easy?

      Thanks!

      Amanda
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      • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
        Originally Posted by Luvfoxy7 View Post

        Nice Business Model XponentSYS,

        I am curious to know how many businesses do you work with now? (if you don't mind me asking) and how do you pitch this? is it a hard pitch or pretty easy?

        Thanks!

        Amanda
        For the "Chiro" one, it was a "walk in the park" to pitch that because I had a list of about 3000 chiropractors who have previously worked with me. I filled that one within days.

        The others were a little more work to pitch but not much.

        I get a lot of members with Linkedin.

        Otherwise, I direct mail postcards leading to a sales letter like this one: EyeDoctorStickLetters dot Com.

        It converts well (because the S/L is good) and since the membership is "capped" (yes, it REALLY is) they don't take long to fill up.

        Once they fill up, I keep doing mailings and promotions but instead of going to the S/L, they get a squeeze page where I generate leads for a free report about (you guessed it) promoting your practice with monthly newsletters.

        I then mail these LEADS with stuff over and over again to keep 'em hot so when I DO have an opening, because someone cancels, i can almost immediately fill their spot.
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        • Profile picture of the author AmarieP
          Man that's great. It's good to see someone else doing something different then selling websites, seo, mobile, etc. I had something similar to yours I was thinking about doing (booklets) but I kinda like the recurring income aspect.
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          • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
            Originally Posted by Luvfoxy7 View Post

            Man that's great. It's good to see someone else doing something different then selling websites, seo, mobile, etc. I had something similar to yours I was thinking about doing (booklets) but I kinda like the recurring income aspect.
            Recurring income is where's its at my friend. Can't beat continuity. Care to discuss the booklets?
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            • Profile picture of the author AmarieP
              Yeah I was just thinking about writing tip booklets so business owners can hand out to their customers to educate the customer on what the services And help the business promote their business. I'm still trying to develop this a little more but that's basically it. So it's like your newsletter in a form of a booklet
              (example; "101 ways to prevent back pain")
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        • Profile picture of the author Endo
          Amazing. You could create an ebook product out of that explanation alone. Very short concise but COMPLETELY helpful. Thanks!

          Although I understand how the post card marketing works since it's self explanatory. I have no clue how you approach people on linkedin since the messaging has limited characters when sending to people. If you can be kind enough to explain i would appreciate that.

          by the way, im following your blog too
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  • Profile picture of the author Yogini
    XponentSYS,

    Thank you for such a great summary. Do you find that most business owners know how to add their logo or company name and customize the newsletters? Do they physically mail them or do some of them use e-mail delivery? Also, how far do you define the same area- do you use a certain number of miles?

    I actually have a stress reduction booklet that I sold to some massage therapists and schools but haven't reached out to chiropractors outside-the-box.net .

    Debbie
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    • Profile picture of the author AmarieP
      Originally Posted by Yogini View Post

      XponentSYS,

      Thank you for such a great summary. Do you find that most business owners know how to add their logo or company name and customize the newsletters? Do they physically mail them or do some of them use e-mail delivery? Also, how far do you define the same area- do you use a certain number of miles?

      I actually have a stress reduction booklet that I sold to some massage therapists and schools but haven't reached out to chiropractors outside-the-box.net .

      Debbie
      How did your booklet do?
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      • Profile picture of the author Yogini
        Originally Posted by Luvfoxy7 View Post

        How did your booklet do?
        Amanda,

        I have gotten some orders and re-orders from massage therapists and schools that use them as holiday gifts and educational tools, but I haven't done a lot of marketing. I know one massage therapist sent them to clients she hadn't seen in a while and had a nice response for getting additional appointments.

        Were you thinking of business owners using them in mailings? I think that would work well, plus they can be in waiting rooms and given out at expos etc. I do like the newsletter idea too, but wasn't sure if owners would know how to add in their logo and a personal touch or if they might be adverse to printing and dealing with mailings. Booklet printing I found goes down if you order 2000 or over 5000 at a time and actually can be less than ordering cards and mailing those.

        Debbie

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  • Profile picture of the author A.Green
    XponentSYS,

    Wow! Thank you so much for such a detailed explanation. Actually, $37/mo for four articles is right around where I was with $20/mo for two articles. The thing is $37 sounds like a serious price, whereas $20 just sounds silly.

    I love the idea for continued promotion when your spots are filled, too.

    Luvfoxy,

    I was thinking about something similar, but with ebooks/reports to use as list opt-in incentives. I've noticed a lot of businesses have some kind of mailing list opt-in form, but few offer their visitors any incentive to hand over their email address. (I'm one to talk. My site's opt-in incentive is still in draft form on my hard drive.) So you could offer your tips books in both ebook format and as or ready-to-print text. Just a thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author bob ross
    Ben (XponentSYS) is the real deal. He needs to make a WSO out of this.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmarieP
    I have a quick question. Since your newsletter is meant for the member to print out. Do you make your template in color or do you just use black ink?
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  • Profile picture of the author TheArticlePros
    Before I ask my question, I just want to say I only do online work, but this sounds like too good of an opportunity to pass up with some of my SEO clients. I haven't done offline work since I was a teenager (pre-Internet), so I'm not sure where to go with this.

    When you're making out the newsletters, do you use stories from say, the AP, Google News, Yahoo News, etc? or do you custom write your own articles? Are there certain themes that you've found that work best? I'm doing up something right now in MS-Publisher, but I'm not sure what to do for the content...

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  • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
    Okay everyone, here's some asnwers to questions posted here...

    Originally Posted by Yogini View Post

    XponentSYS,

    Thank you for such a great summary. Do you find that most business owners know how to add their logo or company name and customize the newsletters? Do they physically mail them or do some of them use e-mail delivery? Also, how far do you define the same area- do you use a certain number of miles?

    I actually have a stress reduction booklet that I sold to some massage therapists and schools but haven't reached out to chiropractors outside-the-box.net .

    Debbie
    Hi Debbie,

    1. Surprisingly (at least in my market) newsletter custimization doesn't generate that mane support queries. I'd venture to guess that 99 percent of my market knows how to edit their newsletters.

    To that end, this is why I insisted on creating them with MS Word and anyone else who runs with this should also use word... the reason being that it's "mainstream" and most know how to use it. Also, in the small business world, 99 percent of people have it.

    Sure, i personally HATE Word and would much perfer creating a newsletter with Adobe Suite, or at the very least, MS publisher. But the fact is, even though the newsletters can't be as "sexy" when made with MS Word, the market has it and knows how to use it.

    2. As far as what members do with their newsletters, we advise them to MAIL (snail mail) the newsletters to their past and present patients. We also advise them to start an email list and send the newsletters out as an Ezine.

    Our members are furnished with a "print" version, as well as an "email" version.

    3. Client Area Exclusivity - this is important and is done "case-by-case". My policy is one doctor per town - that's it. The exceptions are extremely large cities like Chicago or New York, in which case, we go by ZIP.


    Originally Posted by bob ross View Post

    Ben (XponentSYS) is the real deal. He needs to make a WSO out of this.
    Well, thanks. Means alot coming from a fellow Warrior of your stature.


    Originally Posted by Luvfoxy7 View Post

    I have a quick question. Since your newsletter is meant for the member to print out. Do you make your template in color or do you just use black ink?
    We offer 2 versions - BW and color. The member can chose.



    Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

    Before I ask my question, I just want to say I only do online work, but this sounds like too good of an opportunity to pass up with some of my SEO clients. I haven't done offline work since I was a teenager (pre-Internet), so I'm not sure where to go with this.

    When you're making out the newsletters, do you use stories from say, the AP, Google News, Yahoo News, etc? or do you custom write your own articles? Are there certain themes that you've found that work best? I'm doing up something right now in MS-Publisher, but I'm not sure what to do for the content...

    -- j
    I hired a freelancer to create the templates we now use. I haven't much experience with the themes that exist in MS Office online, though I do know they exist.

    As for articles, I hired a writer from this forum to write them exclusively. It's important to note that PLR won't fly with this method.

    As for you using MS Publisher goes, I revommend MS word instead. See my answer to Debbie's question above as to why.
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    • Profile picture of the author sagamore
      Hi Ben,

      Could you expand on the comment above about how PLR does not work with this method as I Brian is using it in his method?

      Patrick
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  • Profile picture of the author avandrunen
    I would think that if the PLR is sufficiently rewritten that it should work just fine...I wouldn't want to just use the PLR as is.
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  • Profile picture of the author HAdrian1239
    Patrick, yea, it's a quality issue, for the most part. If you're getting highly specialized quality PLR then that's a bit different... but in general PLR wouldn't fly for this if you wanted to do it the "right way" and the profit margin you have if you sell all of your slots should be sufficient to hire an expert writer, AND pay him/her well
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    • Profile picture of the author sagamore
      Originally Posted by avandrunen View Post

      I would think that if the PLR is sufficiently rewritten that it should work just fine...I wouldn't want to just use the PLR as is.
      Originally Posted by HAdrian1239 View Post

      Patrick, yea, it's a quality issue, for the most part. If you're getting highly specialized quality PLR then that's a bit different... but in general PLR wouldn't fly for this if you wanted to do it the "right way" and the profit margin you have if you sell all of your slots should be sufficient to hire an expert writer, AND pay him/her well
      Thanks guys, that makes sense! There are some writers with good reps over at the Warriors for Hire forum that I will try out. Just another piece of the puzzle!
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Hower
        Hi,

        as good as it sounds I am asking myself if it would really work.

        I have made a quick survey and called chiropractors, dentists and so on and asked about an appointment. For all I would have to wait weeks if not months.

        So what is the point of selling them a newsletter to find more patients if they are already struggling to find time for the many patients they have already?

        Wouldn't they answer: OMG, please not any more people in my waiting room?

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        • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
          I understand what you're saying but offer the point of view that for every BUSY one.... there's 3 slow practices.

          Those are your targets.

          Find them either with a lead gen campaign.... or through a practice building buyers list.... available through a list broker.


          Originally Posted by Dan Hower View Post

          Hi,

          as good as it sounds I am asking myself if it would really work.

          I have made a quick survey and called chiropractors, dentists and so on and asked about an appointment. For all I would have to wait weeks if not months.

          So what is the point of selling them a newsletter to find more patients if they are already struggling to find time for the many patients they have already?

          Wouldn't they answer: OMG, please not any more people in my waiting room?

          Cheers
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      Originally Posted by cshilling22 View Post

      What format do you send the "email version" in?
      Email version is a TEXT ONLY email.... linked to an online web page of the NL. When I get home, I'll post a link.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Bennett
        Ben,
        Thanks for outlining this method and answering all these questions.

        I've successfully taken this method on board with a few of my own tweaks, and have just finished my first month with $2,750 in the bank from one medical discipline.

        Thanks again mate!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    @ XponentSYS,

    Thanks.

    I was just saying this the other day on a thread, that I know someone who has a similar business model, have considered it myself...it should be easier than ever now with auto response programs that dont require optins, you can just ask people if they want to be on your list, without requiring them to do anything on their own.

    She goes to trade sites , where thousands of bulk buyers gather from all over the world, and collect emails of people who submit buyer requests... So now she has an email list with a few thousand home decor buyers on it that she has gathered over time...

    Every week she cold calls different home decor manufacturers, looking for inventories of distressed merchandise offering to broker it off...and then she emails her list, saying "I have a load of this or that available"... imagine sending an offer like that out to 1,000 known bulk buyers every week. She makes a full time living at it, and even sold me a few loads for my friends retail store, so I KNOW people buy.

    Im going to read more on your blog when I get a chance, this is a great business model.

    EDIT:

    Here is an example of an email I received from her (funny that she says "guys and gals" like I do, that may be where I got it from...lol):

    Guys and Gals,

    Have a couple of loads of overstock merchandise from Home Decorators Collection. This merchandise is coming from Monticello, AR 71655. The manifest is attached.

    I'm selling this load at 10% of retail - heck of a deal for merchandise that was not damaged nor customer returns. The load amounts to two full loads - 24 pallets each load. It can be split into two separate loads if need be. However, they need this merchandise moved very quickly.

    Payment is due prior to shipping. If you need quotes on shipping costs, I can provide that for you as well or you can provide/arrange for your own shipping.

    If you are interested, please contact me as soon as possible. Would like to see these loads moved before the end of the week.

    Thanks so much,

    Becky

    She sends out emails like this every week, or at least whenever she finds a new stocklot to broker off...
    Alot of them come from the same place ("Home Decorators Collection" is a brand), so I guess they do it frequently and she has some kind of deal with them.

    Notice how she says "They" need to move the loads quickly, as opposed to "I". She is a broker.

    -John
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  • Profile picture of the author jgant
    I run a newsletter, but don't charge much for it. I break even, but outsource the content which I publish first on my consumer-oriented blog.

    I could certainly do better, but for now the free content basically makes the blog autopilot. I pay good money for the content so it's worth publishing.

    I'm in a not very lucrative market, hence the low cost each month. I haven't sold many subscriptions either ... but it's entirely on autopilot so I don't mind.
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