Problem getting Google Places to rank higher - Help? Advice? Suggestions?

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I have a local dance studio that is showing in the top 7 on Google Places/plus for "dance studio fort myers" - The Dance Warehouse. I'm trying to get them to rank above Miss Kelly's which is a competitor of theirs.

https://www.google.com/search?q=danc...ient=firefox-a

We have bumped up their reviews and done optimization to their google places/plus and they still are showing below - this is a low competition keyword.. and some of the sites that show above both of them don't even have any reviews..

A little help please? Hoping some of your great local seo minds could see something I'm missing?
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug Slaton
    Might just need more 'address' umph.

    First make sure the Google Places info is filled in to the max with all pics, vids and add some coupons.

    Make sure the meta data on the pics & description on vids has the address included.

    Consider loading up more pics with addy on Panoramio.

    Getlisted.org shows some sites that Dance Warehouse needs accounts/profiles on.

    And finally when all is said and done ... location, location, location. The competition may just be closer to what Google considers the center of town.
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    • Profile picture of the author wiseweblady
      Thx Doug - I have the listing 100% filled in - and the photos are keyword named, etc. - but I haven't ever added the address to the photos - just the keywords.. I've done several google places and have never had a problem getting them to move up for my clients, but this one is baffling me.. and I do see a few on getlisted.org that I can add them to - I will try that, but when I did a report on them, they have over 30 citations that were found..

      This one is being a bit stubborn.. any suggestions are appreciated!
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  • Profile picture of the author kcom
    According to a citations search the top 3 competitors have over 70 citations, your site has only 40. That alone could be the difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author kcom
    Sure, I used Whitespark dot ca, I have used several tools, and this one shows the citations (if you pay) but still lists the # of citations for the 7 pack. The free version allows you to do 3 searches a day (not a lot), but it is good to know your competition. Give it a try see what you think.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    I hate to say this, but buy scrapebox and blast your google listing to oblivion.

    Why do I recommend this? Because 2 of my top competitors used ONLY this technique, got both their listings on page 1, and all their backlinks to the listing are spam.

    I hate recommending stuff like this, but it seems obvious google is not penalizing listings for this, since they've been raking in traffic for many years now. Their sites have NO backlinks, just SEO optimized, neither of them has more than 2 reviews on each listing, but both rank first page for a fairly competitive search phrase.

    Needless to say I'm trying it out right now. Will have better results as times goes by.

    Good luck - Red
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    • Profile picture of the author wiseweblady
      Hi Red - that's seems like some 'out-of-the-box' thinking there ;-) -- on the surface it seems it would be in a grey area.. I would hate to try a strategy that gives them short-term results but end up getting them banned -- I'd sure like to know more about how it works for you though! Can you keep me posted?
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    • Profile picture of the author kcom
      RedShifted,
      Why would you recommend it, when you know it is wrong? Even if it works sometimes. I am sure that by adding citations to match or exceed the top listings, the site will jump in rankings, provided that everything else is in order. If that doesn't work then some natural backlinks will, please don't resort to spamming backlinks.



      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      I hate to say this, but buy scrapebox and blast your google listing to oblivion.

      Why do I recommend this? Because 2 of my top competitors used ONLY this technique, got both their listings on page 1, and all their backlinks to the listing are spam.

      I hate recommending stuff like this, but it seems obvious google is not penalizing listings for this, since they've been raking in traffic for many years now. Their sites have NO backlinks, just SEO optimized, neither of them has more than 2 reviews on each listing, but both rank first page for a fairly competitive search phrase.

      Needless to say I'm trying it out right now. Will have better results as times goes by.

      Good luck - Red
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      • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
        Originally Posted by kcom View Post

        RedShifted,
        Why would you recommend it, when you know it is wrong? Even if it works sometimes. I am sure that by adding citations to match or exceed the top listings, the site will jump in rankings, provided that everything else is in order. If that doesn't work then some natural backlinks will, please don't resort to spamming backlinks.
        Thank you and you are absolutely right. Sometimes I have problems deciding which side of my conscience to listen to. Mostly because I'm new and in recent weeks went through a bout of feeling "beaten up" by google.

        Building backlinks, optimizing my site, and watching nothing happen day after day. Chances are I'm just too impatient.

        When I do all this whitehat work, then I see my competitors not even bothering, and their making a ton of money when I'm stressing out about how to pay my bills, it can definitely put a persons morals to the test.

        I've also seen their listings ranking for years now. I figured google will eventually start cracking down on this, but if they're not right now (from what I can tell) it makes me feel like WHY am I trying to be the "nice guy", when I feel like google is the one with too many backlinks.

        All their backlinks allow them to do whatever the hell they want. They make billions, **** on small businesses, then I have marketers telling me "you should just do everything whitehat".

        All I'm saying is I'm just having a hard time dealing with that, and I do ASPIRE to be 100% legitimate in my approach... but right now I guess I'm just kinda bitter.
        I'm also likely compensating for a lack of genuine skills, that I continue to work on everyday. So maybe one day I can stay away from this stuff.

        Thanks for the guidance though I definitely appreciate it.

        -Red
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        • Profile picture of the author mmiys
          Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

          Thank you and you are absolutely right. Sometimes I have problems deciding which side of my conscience to listen to. Mostly because I'm new and in recent weeks went through a bout of feeling "beaten up" by google.

          Building backlinks, optimizing my site, and watching nothing happen day after day. Chances are I'm just too impatient.

          When I do all this whitehat work, then I see my competitors not even bothering, and their making a ton of money when I'm stressing out about how to pay my bills, it can definitely put a persons morals to the test.

          I've also seen their listings ranking for years now. I figured google will eventually start cracking down on this, but if they're not right now (from what I can tell) it makes me feel like WHY am I trying to be the "nice guy", when I feel like google is the one with too many backlinks.

          All their backlinks allow them to do whatever the hell they want. They make billions, **** on small businesses, then I have marketers telling me "you should just do everything whitehat".

          All I'm saying is I'm just having a hard time dealing with that, and I do ASPIRE to be 100% legitimate in my approach... but right now I guess I'm just kinda bitter.
          I'm also likely compensating for a lack of genuine skills, that I continue to work on everyday. So maybe one day I can stay away from this stuff.

          Thanks for the guidance though I definitely appreciate it.

          -Red
          What types of backlinks are you using? Make sure they are on sites with a PR1 or above. Quality currently ranks over quality..and that's the way it should be.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aemilia
    A number of suggestions.
    I checked and you are already ranking above miss kelly's
    but you can also check out this suggestions.

    1. Have their address wrapped in hcard format. you can generate it here. this helps google, bing and other search engine index addresses for local search.

    2. make sure their address, phone number and name is consistent across all the platform and directories they show up in.

    3. include their address, phone number and name in hcard format at the footer of the website.

    4. If they have multiple locations, ensure you have different landing pages for the locations but have them all listed in a main landing page listed in the Google listing page.
    Best,

    Aemilia


    Originally Posted by wiseweblady View Post

    I have a local dance studio that is showing in the top 7 on Google Places/plus for "dance studio fort myers" - The Dance Warehouse. I'm trying to get them to rank above Miss Kelly's which is a competitor of theirs.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=danc...ient=firefox-a

    We have bumped up their reviews and done optimization to their google places/plus and they still are showing below - this is a low competition keyword.. and some of the sites that show above both of them don't even have any reviews..

    A little help please? Hoping some of your great local seo minds could see something I'm missing?
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  • Profile picture of the author bizpro9000
    Do everything that you can related to Google...

    I see you have a Google+ profile, but you don't have their Google+ business page claimed...

    Maybe do this...
    1. Claim their Google+ business page with the same email address used to set up their Places and Google+ profile page.
    2. Link the Google+ biz page to their website.
    3. Put a Google+ badge on their website.
    4. Create 2 30-45 second videos introducing the dance studio. Use the owner and some images of the dance studio. Animoto works great!
    5. Post the youtube videos on your Google+ profile, business page, Places page and embed on the website.
    6. Create a Google Places Offer. This might not necessarily help with the rankings, but it will help when people do come to your places page they will see that you are offering them something your competition is not.

    Extra:
    Claim Facebook "Places" page for mobile check-ins...You probably have already
    Claim Foursquare page (also for mobile check-ins). You probably have already done this too

    Well, that's my 2 cents...Good Googling Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author kcom
    Red,
    Good on ya, takes a big man to admit that. In the end, I have to live with my conscience, so I would rather place 3rd legitimately then 1st knowing that I cheated. Maybe those guys don't ever get caught on those listings, but their willingness to do those kind of spammy, scammy things will catch up to theme eventually.
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  • Profile picture of the author scottgallagher
    How about a Google Place Best Practices Guide


    Some points to remember on profile pages...
    
    • Establish NAP format consistency
    • Use email matching domain to register account
    • Establish photo shoots with Google when possible
    • Use images and video, walk-through, testimonials
    • Establish Service area
    • Utilize QR Codes when possible
    • Real Address, No UPS or PO Boxes
    • Consider implications of Walk-in versus Service Based

    Stay Away from:
    • Violating Google’s Suggestions
    • Using 800 Numbers
    • Using Phone Number Tracking
    • P.O. / UPS Boxes
    • Multiple Place Pages / location
    • Duplicate Phone on Multiple Place Pages

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  • Profile picture of the author SteveFox
    May be the age of the sites playing a role in these rankings. Old sites some how out shy the new ones too much.
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  • Profile picture of the author SarahJane
    Try to rank with a video,,
    especially if your niche is dance, it good think then
    show them what you got (the dance), bring good keyword to snipe

    also you put them in local directories
    there are many that free listing
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