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Are there any people not from US or Canada making good money from selling to offline businesses?

by Sonny Am
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Hi,

I have noticed that most of the people making a killing from selling marketing services (websites, seo, social media) to offline businesses seem to be from the US.

I also read someone mention in a post on here, that the US has a really mature market (people understand the importance of a site and seo) and that the general prosperousness of the country enables people to make greater money from selling to offline businesses than other countries, not to mention the size of America in comparison to countries in europe.

Do you think there is anything in what im saying?
#businesses #canada #good #making #money #offline #people #selling
  • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
    Originally Posted by Sonny Am View Post

    Do you think there is anything in what im saying?
    No.

    Vast majority on this forum happen to be American that's all. Wake up in the morning new threads are pretty thin on the ground.

    Come 15:00 they start to appear quickly as US get going.

    As for wealth, you are in London.

    More money goes through the Square Mile than any other place on earth.

    Also, more British companies as a % have websites than US.

    I could go on forever actually but I wont.

    Fact is if you wish to just have a nice comfortable life, £45k puts you in top 15% of earners.

    So 12 clients at £500pm will do that less costs. Or 24 at £250. You will be just under VAT as well if that bothers you.

    Can you find 12 to 24 people in the whole of the UK?

    Pretty sure you can.

    Then decide if you want to grow larger.

    Dan
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    • Profile picture of the author Sonny Am
      Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

      No.

      Vast majority on this forum happen to be American that's all. Wake up in the morning new threads are pretty thin on the ground.

      Come 15:00 they start to appear quickly as US get going.

      As for wealth, you are in London.

      More money goes through the Square Mile than any other place on earth.

      Also, more British companies as a % have websites than US.

      I could go on forever actually but I wont.

      Fact is if you wish to just have a nice comfortable life, £45k puts you in top 15% of earners.

      So 12 clients at £500pm will do that less costs. Or 24 at £250. You will be just under VAT as well if that bothers you.

      Can you find 12 to 24 people in the whole of the UK?

      Pretty sure you can.

      Then decide if you want to grow larger.

      Dan
      Hi.

      Thanks ever so much for this post. It was really inspiration, even if you didn't mean it to be.


      Do you think there really are clients out there willing to pay £500 every single month, and what what services could you sell a recurring figure of that much?I can imagine some would pay £500 as a one off fee for you to create a professional site for them, and then a small maintenance fee, but getting a client to spend £500 recurring would be quite a challenge would it not?

      Also 12 clients at 500 a month, comes to 72,000 a year, quite a bit more than the 45,000 comfortable living standard, which I think you are just about right about.

      I'm guessing for a client to pay £500 recurring every month, you must have to show them some real value, and give them some real ROI very quickly or they will want to cancel.

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      • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
        A few people around here from Oversea's seem to be doing good. Not sure where their target customers are located. but this poster came to mind as soon as I thought of some one View Profile: Chris Cho

        Also look up these two people, not sure how involved they are in Offline. They post here in this Offline Section http://www.warriorforum.com/members/iamchrisgreen.html

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      • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
        1st things 1st eh.

        12 customers x £500pm = £6000pm x 12 months = £72,000 (Just under VAT threshold if you don't wish to register)

        But you would have costs so I am knocking off about 40% leaving you with approx £45k taxable.

        And that is also the clue for you.

        You charge me £500pm (£6k pa) and I deduct it from my Gross Income thereby saving Tax & NI on that £6k which will be approx 50% for me so the real cost is not £6k but £3k.

        You never filled in a Tax return? Keep every receipt you get. Petrol, Restaurant, Phone bills, etc etc and deduct it at end of year.

        Also, you may charge £6K for a superdooper something or other and offer '12 months Interest Free' at £500 pm.

        You only need to get 1 customer in that bracket a month and in month 13 just look for the next one as you still have 11 paying.

        Do companies pay £6k for things?

        My friend paid £22k for a Tax Audit last year.

        So do you think £6k to a Tax Auditor is much when they have 100 clients paying that sort of money.

        Or to my friend who does £3m with a H&S Consultancy? (20 staff)

        Does this help you?

        In the UK, sections 382 and 465 of the Companies Act 2006 define a SME for the purpose of accounting requirements. According to this a small company is one that has a turnover of not more than £6.5 million, a balance sheet total of not more than £3.26 million and not more than 50 employees. A medium-sized company has a turnover of not more than £25.9 million, a balance sheet total of not more than £12.9 million and not more than 250 employees.

        What many here target are in fact micro-companies. ie they are not really companies just 1 man or 2 man bands doing something they are good at which is really what you are or a plumber etc.

        Next time you walk down the street just look at the offices above the shops. You would be surprised at what they are pulling in and earning and spending.

        Dan
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        • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
          Running a dating Service John?

          Dan
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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

            Running a dating Service John?

            Dan
            No, she IS pretty though.
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        • Profile picture of the author Sonny Am
          Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

          1st things 1st eh.

          12 customers x £500pm = £6000pm x 12 months = £72,000 (Just under VAT threshold if you don't wish to register)

          But you would have costs so I am knocking off about 40% leaving you with approx £45k taxable.

          And that is also the clue for you.

          You charge me £500pm (£6k pa) and I deduct it from my Gross Income thereby saving Tax & NI on that £6k which will be approx 50% for me so the real cost is not £6k but £3k.

          You never filled in a Tax return? Keep every receipt you get. Petrol, Restaurant, Phone bills, etc etc and deduct it at end of year.

          Also, you may charge £6K for a superdooper something or other and offer '12 months Interest Free' at £500 pm.

          You only need to get 1 customer in that bracket a month and in month 13 just look for the next one as you still have 11 paying.

          Do companies pay £6k for things?

          My friend paid £22k for a Tax Audit last year.

          So do you think £6k to a Tax Auditor is much when they have 100 clients paying that sort of money.

          Or to my friend who does £3m with a H&S Consultancy? (20 staff)

          Does this help you?

          In the UK, sections 382 and 465 of the Companies Act 2006 define a SME for the purpose of accounting requirements. According to this a small company is one that has a turnover of not more than £6.5 million, a balance sheet total of not more than £3.26 million and not more than 50 employees. A medium-sized company has a turnover of not more than £25.9 million, a balance sheet total of not more than £12.9 million and not more than 250 employees.

          What many here target are in fact micro-companies. ie they are not really companies just 1 man or 2 man bands doing something they are good at which is really what you are or a plumber etc.

          Next time you walk down the street just look at the offices above the shops. You would be surprised at what they are pulling in and earning and spending.

          Dan
          Again, thanks for the really informative post. I truly am grateful.

          Amongst all the useful info, i've gathered two things

          1. target bigger actual businesses.

          2. maybe seo/marketing services do not carry the biggest revenue when selling services to offline "real" businesses..... you mentioned tax audit and H&S consultancy. However these business models carry a greater barrier to entry. You cannot simply acquire clients and then outsource the work to reliable parties with as much ease as you can for web design and SEO. And prospecting and getting leads must be considerably harder for the services you mentioned..?
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          • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
            I am implying that if you contacted and presented well to my friend (No, don't ask) he would not think £6k was much if you had a site that generated calls.

            He would only need 1 sale a year from it. Not too much pressure on you. Almost risk free from his point of view.

            There are many companies in this category.

            In the field of SEO and Web Design there are plenty that make $$$s.

            These people for example are just one of WPPs companies and Martin Sorrell is a Billionaire so I don't think he bought these guys if they only made a couple of hundred thousand.

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            Dan
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  • Profile picture of the author BenStevens
    There's no reason you could not do offline marketing in Europe. Of course it will be harder in some third world countries but the UK is ripe for this kind of marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    If there is anyone here who DOES make me a little jealous of being British, its Dan.

    There is a girl here "newbiesdiary" from Aussi with a FABULOUS story. You may look her up
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  • Profile picture of the author spesialis
    Few of my clients are British, one of them make >£10k per month just selling web design.
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