Cold Calling Accountability Thread

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My "Dialing for Dollars" Accountability Journal

***Disclaimer***: Although I don't sell web/tech based stuff like many of you do, I figured sharing my successful experience cold calling and getting business with you would be motivational. Also, knowing my weaknesses, I need the accountability to work through the calls so I can actually make a success of this. I appreciate the free-flow of information, motivation, and positive attitude that's here, and want to participate in my own way.

(Also, if there's a forum dedicated to this, please feel free to direct this thread to it).

***What I Do: I sell burial insurance and Medicare Supplement insurance to folks 50+.

My primary method of marketing has relied upon direct mail with decent success; however, for various reasons, it has become less reliable and more frustrating of a medium to prospect in.

I gave cold calling a "try," meaning I did it for close to 5 hours, gave up, and now realized I quit way too early. I did generate a decent lead out of it - was COMPLETELY nervous about doing the whole thing, but actually quit because I was *bored* -- go figure!

However, after reading through several cold calling success threads in this forum, I've decided to truly commit to cold calling in order to fill my prospect funnel.

***My Plan - I will be targeting 67-78 year olds in search of a handful of Medicare Supplement holders who are fed up with price increases on their insurance and are emotionally motivated to save money (typically $300-$700 a year). So I will be leading with my MedSup product (although if it were possible to lead with both MedSup and life insurance, I would prefer that route).

***Goal For Each Call - Primary is to set an appointment with a pre-qualified client (defined as someone whose health qualifies for the product, who understands around how much they'll save, and I've "trial-closed" on moving forward within the next 30 days). My secondary goal is to build a database of prospects to work down the line when rates go up on their Insurance.

I am using a power dialer (Mojo) that dials 3 lines at a time. Conservatively, I should be able to average 30 people spoken to each hour.

I figure in a 10- to 12-hour time slot, I should be able to *talk* to 250-300 people per day. I plan on doing 2 prospecting days like this and meeting face-to-face with this fine folks 2 or 3 days a week, so my goal is to talk to at least 500 people weekly; more would be nice.

I am loosely modeling the prospecting activity approach based on the "500 Day War" at another forum (The 500 day war (for rookies) | WealthManagement.com) as well as the concepts espoused notable cold callers on this forum to just DO something, as opposed to worrying about whether or not it's perfect.

***My Expectations - My hope is to close 1 person out of every 100, on average AFTER talking to 500 people. Of course, I hope it's better than that, but I'm trying to be realistic. The reason I failed cold calling before is that my expectations were too rigid for a neophyte caller - I expected to close 1 out of 50 contacts. I probably only did about 125-150 before quitting, not nearly enough to establish an accurate expectation OR experience success.

That would net me 5 new clients a week, of which I might be able to cross sell burial insurance to 1, maybe 2, of them, to increase my commission.

***My Script - I'm keeping it very simple. If someone gives me resistance, they're canned. I just want clients who are sick and tired of paying so much money for their Medicare insurance. The script is as follows:

"Hi - Is Mr. or Mrs. Jones in? This is Hank Rearden with Mutual of Omaha; I'm calling because we recently sent you some information about a new, low-cost Medicare Supplement insurance program, as well as some information on burial insurance. Would you like to learn more about how these programs might benefit you?"

If they say "No," canned. They say "Yes," then I ask them what their current situation is like - are they on Medicare (always a yes), what MedSupp they have, what they're paying, how they feel about the price, mention fixed income. Basic fact-finding stuff.

Then I'll pose a question (my trial close), "Mrs. Jones, now that I understand your situation (reiterate her pain points), let me ask you a question, and PLEASE feel free to tell me NO. If you could get the same EXACT coverage, if not BETTER Medicare Insurance coverage, that gives you all the same benefits - see the same doctors, go to same hospitals, etc. - AND you could save $500 a year... this wouldn't be anything you'd be interested in, right?"

No, canned. Yes - qualify on health, then close for the appointment. Anything in between, push hard to clarify, and move quickly to dump them.

From my perspective, if they don't buy the concept (saving money on Medicare insurance while retaining same quality of coverage), there's no reason to pitch them.

A couple of questions:

1) I'd like to lead with both Medicare Supplements and Life Insurance on the opening call. General consensus is to lead with ONLY one product. What do you pros think? I could easily slide in "Life Insurance" into the introduction. I'm just thinking I could generate a little more interest if I mention both without sounding wordy.
2) I'm truly an insurance broker with many contracts - I am appointed with Mutual of Omaha and mention I'm with them because most seniors have heard of this company and have been pounded with their mail for years - there was somewhat of a credibility gap the last time I cold called (who are you with?), so I figure mentioning Mutual of Omaha will bridge that, and reminding them about all the mail they've gotten (and thrown away) should allow them to open up to more of a conversation.
3) Cold-callers - how have you/your team set up blocks of calling? Do you take a break every 50 minutes? How do you pace yourself to reach your contact goal?


First day of cold-calling will be Monday. Goal is a minimum of 250 contacts (people I actually speak to).

In addition to the questions I posed, I'm always open to any and all constructive criticism. Look forward to sharing my success with you.
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  • Profile picture of the author beeswarn
    Because you cannot manage what you cannot measure, every beginner should use an old-fashioned call sheet every day for at least his first 6 months. (Probably for a year, but no one ever sticks to it.)

    You can spend a great deal of time on this, laying it out in Photoshop or Word. You can also go searching for apps and automated CRM programs and waste absolutely phenomenal amounts of your time deciding which is the most difficult and expensive way to record simple notes during a day.

    But I recommend that you keep it simple and keep track of these key things on paper.

    Number of dials you made:
    Number of people you spoke to:
    Number of people you qualified in
    Number of people you qualified out
    Number of presentations you made:

    You should save this as a template or form and print a new one to use each day. You should use a pen to place a tick in the corresponding field when you have completed one of these tasks above. At the end of each day, you should tally all your totals and file this form for later review. You should start a fresh new one the next day.

    Week by week and month by month all the secrets of professional salesmanship will begin to materialize and reveal themselves to you on this form.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Thanks BEEs -- I will do that -- I was eye-balling a notebook for some reason trying to figure out why I would want that. Now I know.

    I did the very same thing when starting door-to-door with lead cards to sell burial insurance. Definitely need to pick it back up.

    The dialer tracks total dials, total contacts, total leads. I will keep track of presentations, appointments, and leads in my journal. Thanks again for the tip.
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    • Profile picture of the author davidjessy
      cold calling takes a little bit high charges than on page advertisement.....
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Awesome reardon,

    I bet you will do at least one appointment per hour. With health leads a couple per hour is even reasonable. Give yourself a day to get in the groove.

    You can target good prospects by looking up the haines criss cross directory and even set all your appointments on the same streets each day with it. You will probably have to copy leads at the library though, but its the most effective.

    Love your plan. Beautiful; and ultra doable. Health leads are easy compared to selling websites. You should be able to do this with no prob after some practice.

    Sandalwood has an agency, Ill bet he has some good input too.

    Ps. 10-15 minutes every hour an a half to hour and forty five minutes is a good break schedule.Except the first quarter, make that 2 hours... Start at 8:30 and dont stop till 10:30, take 15 and dont stop till noon, then come back at 12L30 and dont stop till 2, then come back at 2:15 and dont stop till four.

    THATS a good day!
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  • Profile picture of the author beeswarn
    I hope you're talking about using a paper notebook, because that is even simpler than what I recommended.

    I forgot to add that you should record the number of sales you make on that sheet too. I am an idiot sometimes, but I always feel better when I point it out myself.

    Keep moving forward. The 500-day war for rookies is one of the best things I've ever seen online about beginning sales, and I'm delighted to read that you're buying in.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by beeswarn View Post

      I hope you're talking about using a paper notebook, because that is even simpler than what I recommended.

      I forgot to add that you should record the number of sales you make on that sheet too. I am an idiot sometimes, but I always feel better when I point it out myself.

      Keep moving forward. The 500-day war for rookies is one of the best things I've ever seen online about beginning sales, and I'm delighted to read that you're buying in.
      Yeah 500 a day rocks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    John -- are you saying I should start dialing residential at 8:30AM?

    Not that I doubt you... that just seems so EARLY for these retired folks!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Believe it or not it isnt that early for alot of folks, particularly seniors, they are more likely to get up at 5:30 am, and nap during the "afternoon"..

    Basically what I just quoted was a normal, kind of classic schedule for most call centers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rearden
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Believe it or not it isnt that early for alot of folks, particularly seniors, they are more likely to get up at 5:30 am, and nap during the "afternoon"..

      Basically what I just quoted was a normal, kind of classic schedule for most call centers.
      Will do, as well as the call schedule.

      I'm planning on buying data of 67-78 year olds without income filters.

      And, like I said, health qualifying on the phone is crucial PRIOR to running the appointment -- especially for Medicare insurance; I won't run the appointment without knowing ahead of time I can qualify them (by health).

      Point is -- even if I don't get one appointment per hour... I'm happy spending 3 hours to sift through names to find that 1 gold nugget -- I'm rationally expecting to talk to 100 to 150 people before setting a highly-qualified appointment.

      Life insurance qualifying for health isn't a concern; I've got something for everyone -- I just need to know ahead of time they have an open mind towards it and can afford a bare minimum premium.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Here I will give you a ""Quick Pitch" that works...: Hang a sec.


        Hey Bob?

        John Durham here with blue cross blue shield, don’t worry there aren’t any issues or anything, we are just shooting out free health quote comparisons designed for folks like yourself who have recently reached retirement age... You Are 65 arent you Bob?

        Okay I had to check because you sounded a little younger than that...

        ( Some will say "Son Im waaay past retirment age...." and that just gives you another chance to joke about and say NO WAY!!!)

        (If they say "How do you know my age? Say "I dont know where they get the info Bob its just here in my notes, all I know is that they wanted me to call you..." Note: THIS IS TRUE.)


        Anyway Bob, we just wanted to make sure we have your info correct to get that quote out to you, you folks still at 123 east bird street...?

        Okay great,

        Just to make sure I get you a good quote Bob,

        Is there anyone else in your home who would need to be covered under the policy? (start assuming he’s in and talking like it)

        Okay and any major health issues like heart attack, stroke, diabetes?

        Bob: "I do have a back problem..." (could be anything)

        Don’t worry Bob that doesn’t count we are only concerned with the major life or death stuff... (lol although when your ________ hurts it sure seems major enough doesnt it? lol)

        Now let me ask do you know what you are currently paying premium wise so I can try and do better fer you?

        Okay great and who is that with?

        Okay great, Bob it looks like from I have here that you pretty much qualify so that’s good, now we just need to get you the best price quote possible.

        Now I am going to be out your way talking to some folks down the street from you at 10 am tomorrow.... if I could shoot that by to you around 10:30 you think you would have a few minutes to meet with me and go over your quote around then ?

        Oh you have an appointment with the foot doctor?

        Ouch. When do you get out of that?

        Okay, well I better give you some time, because they may have you out picking up a prescription afterwards, you know how those doctors are...


        Oh you are just getting your toe nails clipped?


        Awe thats an easy one...Lucked out this time huh? lol


        How does 1 oclock sound?

        Great...

        (close it down and go pitch them your quote).

        Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Here's my one concern, not because I doubt the script (because I don't!), but more from what I would like to achieve.

    Before I run the appointment... I want to know not only are they medically qualified, but also that they're open-minded and have an emotional need to save money.

    Simply "saving money" in and of itself in my experience is not a sure-fire laydown. There's a lot of resistance towards change, especially towards Medicare Supplement coverage. They've talked to so many of their peers who end up with some type of coverage that screws them over financially.

    Of course, I'm not peddling it, but these people are fairly paranoid about that -- UNLESS they've just got a 25% premium increase notice in the mail and are PISSED at the increase on the coverage they are not using one iota. That's a hot prospect -- emotion creates motion.

    I guess I fear running an appointment who recognizes the LOGICAL sense of saving money but EMOTIONALLY does not care enough (yet) to make a change. Maybe it's just me, but I can only agitate a fear of wasting too much money on insurance, if it's already there.

    Any thoughts on this? Do you think I'd get that type of appointment with your script? Thanks for your help and assistance.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

      Here's my one concern, not because I doubt the script (because I don't!), but more from what I would like to achieve.

      Before I run the appointment... I want to know not only are they medically qualified, but also that they're open-minded and have an emotional need to save money.

      Simply "saving money" in and of itself in my experience is not a sure-fire laydown. There's a lot of resistance towards change, especially towards Medicare Supplement coverage. They've talked to so many of their peers who end up with some type of coverage that screws them over financially.

      Of course, I'm not peddling it, but these people are fairly paranoid about that -- UNLESS they've just got a 25% premium increase notice in the mail and are PISSED at the increase on the coverage they are not using one iota. That's a hot prospect -- emotion creates motion.

      I guess I fear running an appointment who recognizes the LOGICAL sense of saving money but EMOTIONALLY does not care enough (yet) to make a change. Maybe it's just me, but I can only agitate a fear of wasting too much money on insurance, if it's already there.

      Any thoughts on this? Do you think I'd get that type of appointment with your script? Thanks for your help and assistance.
      I understand. No prob.

      Like I said, this is what we call a "quick pitch" Insurance agents use to buy these all day long and close at least one of three usually.... - If you sell them anymore than that why not just close it on the phone, is that possible?

      In any event the assumptive greeting will open some doors for you to do your thing if you ever need it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    I want the opportunity to cross-sell final expense (burial) insurance with the savings. Or cross-sell a cancer policy, or dental/vision/hearing insurance to compliment their current insurance program.

    I would LOVE to do everything over the phone without stepping out of the door; I'm just worried about it (a) not sticking over time or people dragging their feet, getting the application signed and sent back to me, and (b), seniors getting cold feet by not meeting me in person, with scam artist issues all the rage these days.

    But if there was a way... I'd do it all day long.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Thoughts on this script? I think it serves my goal rather well and straight to the point:

    Rearden: "Hi, is Mr. or Mrs. Jones in? Hi, This is Dave Duford. Real quick, this is a sales call, do you want to hang up?"

    Prospect: What are you selling?

    Rearden: Before I get into a long winded, boring pitch, do you mind if I ask you a question?

    Prospect: Ok

    Rearden: Let's say that you and I had spent 15 minutes together, and I could show you how you can save $300 to $500 a year on your Medicare Insurance AND keep the same high quality of coverage you have right now, starting as soon as next month. What would you do?

    Cut right to the point to see if their mind is open to it -- can them if they're wiener leads.

    I might try to transition to a burial insurance trial close concept if they aren't biting regarding Medicare insurance.

    Thoughts?
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

      Thoughts on this script? I think it serves my goal rather well and straight to the point:

      Rearden: "Hi, is Mr. or Mrs. Jones in? Hi, This is Dave Duford. Real quick, this is a sales call, do you want to hang up?"

      Prospect: What are you selling?

      Rearden: Before I get into a long winded, boring pitch, do you mind if I ask you a question?

      Prospect: Ok

      Rearden: Let's say that you and I had spent 15 minutes together, and I could show you how you can save $300 to $500 a year on your Medicare Insurance AND keep the same high quality of coverage you have right now, starting as soon as next month. What would you do?

      Cut right to the point to see if their mind is open to it -- can them if they're wiener leads.

      I might try to transition to a burial insurance trial close concept if they aren't biting regarding Medicare insurance.

      Thoughts?
      I am pretty sure in another thread you said your target market is the elderly...

      the elderly LOVE to talk, some of them are down right lonely.

      So, just talk to them, warm them up with a nice friendly conversation.
      and qualify them in or out based on the convo, and if you qualify them
      out, ask if any of there friends just got hit with a premium hike
      and can use your help.

      From what i see, your making this waaaay to complicated.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    The above pitch is too abrupt, it will put people on their guard. You need to be a little more covert.

    Also, how can they respect you, when your pitch reflects that even you yourself look down your nose at what you are doing?

    I wont even go into details about the 5 other reasons this is not a good pitch.

    Thanks for reminding me why my pitches are valuable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Thanks guys -- I have a tendency to tinker and make things more complicated than they need to be. A big weakness of mine (...just ask my wife!), which is why I started this post to begin with.

    I'll stick to my original script and not deviate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Update:

    Scared as sh*t all morning, and slept horribly last night.

    Started right at 9AM -- after 10 calls I was back in rhythm -- can't believe how stupid it is to get all scared of calling people...

    Just starting my 15 minute break and got off the phone with a real hot lead. Lady's 73 and might have terminating life insurance -- could be a $1000-$1500 commission if it goes through -- will take some callbacks, but I'm hoping for the best.

    Was on the phone for an hour with her (these old people really love talking!), so only got ahold of 21 people.
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    • Profile picture of the author consult4u
      Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

      Update:

      Scared as sh*t all morning, and slept horribly last night.

      Started right at 9AM -- after 10 calls I was back in rhythm -- can't believe how stupid it is to get all scared of calling people...

      Just starting my 15 minute break and got off the phone with a real hot lead. Lady's 73 and might have terminating life insurance -- could be a $1000-$1500 commission if it goes through -- will take some callbacks, but I'm hoping for the best.

      Was on the phone for an hour with her (these old people really love talking!), so only got ahold of 21 people.
      Thanks for the update Rearden!!
      Your are well on your way.
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      • maybe do up a report for them on Obamacare.
        they are worried like everyone else.

        Also, put a referral strategy in place, for you to build your business faster.

        can open the call with "have information for your regarding your medical and obamascare"
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        • Profile picture of the author Rearden
          LOL -- Probably would work with most people here in the South -- but as the old adage says, "Don't talk about religion and politics on sales calls."

          Just got done with my 2nd 2-hour block; developed 1 lead for down the road, have another that's interested but is a call-back.

          Sounding more and more confident on the phone. Nobody's been an a$$hole, probably because I sound cheerful and nice.

          Also am starting to talk through some initial rebuttals -- not hardcore, but enough to keep the conversation moving forward.

          ...One guy not interested did sound like spoke Japanese before I hung up on him -- maybe some Ninjitsu Telemarketer Curse?

          Originally Posted by kirbymarketingconcierge View Post

          maybe do up a report for them on Obamacare.
          they are worried like everyone else.

          Also, put a referral strategy in place, for you to build your business faster.

          can open the call with "have information for your regarding your medical and obamascare"
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Just got done about 15 minutes early at 2:35 EST -- seems people aren't picking their phones up as much as in the morning.

    Nobody's biting this past 90 minutes. Still got 3-4 hours to go!

    I'm finding that having positive, cheerful voice really does a number on the people I speak to. Barely anyone's rude, and if they are, they're the miserable ones, not me! And actually there are plenty of people that actually enjoy speaking with me. It's rather surprising given the general consensus is that telemarketers suck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Just got done from 3:00-4:15 -- breaking until 6:30 to spend time with son and to put him to bed.

    Nothing much this block of calling; perhaps a faintly-warm lead down the line.

    Will finish up strong until 9:30 to wrap up the evening.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    If it helps Reardon I can tell you that the business IS there, and your prospects ARE there, and cold calling DOES work.

    So you are on the right path...dont know about the hours, but otherwise, yes. Good for you going a straight hour and 15. and developing a warm lead. -3 of those is a sale usually.

    2-3 hours of calling per day is enough to make several sales per week if one stays at tit....again, if someone told me I could dial 2-3 hours per day and make $5000 in a week.... like payoman, I would have started a loooong time ago... Thats almost as good as getting a record contract out of high school and a heck of alot less work hours.

    Is 20 hours a week for that kind of cash hard?

    Telemarketing is a sure bet.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Results for today:

    Total Dials: 566
    Total Contacts: 201
    Total A Leads: 2
    Total B Leads: 1
    Total Warm Leads Over the Long Run: Numerous

    Pretty good day -- hit 200+ people and, as I expected, nailed 2 quality leads out of it.

    First lady is interested in a life insurance program which could net between $900-$1800 commission; however, it's dependent upon what she has presently, though she made it out like she was a definite buyer.

    The second lady has no insurance and has a need; wanted to discuss with her son -- went through the presentation OK so it might be up in the air; would be a $500 commission if it were to go through.

    Had another maybe a go in August, and numerous follow ups when seniors switch their Medicare Supplements around in October, as well as some potential long-term prospects once their Supplements go up in price and they want to save a buck or two.

    All in all, a fantastic calling evening! Wish I would have hit 250 contacts, but was a little rusty getting the system back and running -- I should be able to do it starting tomorrow.

    Plus I hit my 1/100 number -- if these deals go through, I'll be happy with $2000+ commission for introducing myself over the phone.

    Oddly enough, all the interest I garnered really was over the alternate choice product, not what I lead with. If I get in a conversation with a prospect and they have something I can't replace or wouldn't be to her benefit, I segue into life/burial insurance. That's how I saved 3 of those leads that otherwise I would have passed on.

    See y'all tomorrow morning.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Alright, just about to fire up the old power dialer.

    I'm making a slight modification to my script, so that's more to the point and allows me to mention burial insurance in the lead.

    Here's the old opener:
    "Hi – Is Mr. or Mrs. Jones in? This is Hank Rearden with Mutual of Omaha; I’m calling because we recently sent you some information about a new, low-cost Medicare Supplement insurance program. Would you like to learn more about how these programs might benefit you?”

    Now the new opener:
    "Hi, Mrs. Jones? This is Hank Rearden with Mutual of Omaha; I’m calling to see if you'd be interested in learning more about our new, low-cost Medicare insurance program or our budget-friendly burial insurance program?"

    I basically deleted the line about the information we sent because I don't think it's not necessarily necessary. When I open with Mutual of Omaha, most know about the company, and I think it's enough to keep them on the line without creating a credibility gap.

    But, if someone thinks I'm making a mistake, feel free to comment.

    My goal today is to hit 250 names, or, more desirably, 2-3 HOT leads after about 8-10 hours total dialing.

    I'll give my regular updates like I did as I go through the day. Wish me luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    63 Contacts reached, 1 distant warm lead, so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Just called a nice old lady in the country who was like literally ready to do business when I called her.

    I'm sending her a burial insurance application in the mail today for her to complete and send back on her own.

    If returned, should net me a $625-$650 commission.

    Nice! So I'm halting the phone calls and getting this application ready and sent right now.

    ...But I'll DEFINITELY be back cold calling after I finish up at the post office! LOL.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Rock on Reardon!

    Also remember: "The best time to make a sale is right after you just made one..."

    Thats an ole pro's saying...

    I know it feels great. Happy for you!

    In other words, you just found that person in the pile who says "Hey Reardon, Im so glad you called. I was just thinking about this the other day..."

    Or whatever.

    There is one in every pile; if you keep dialing you uncover it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rearden
      Thanks John.

      Here's a funny observation -- the area I'm calling into is under a severe thunderstorm watch right now -- 8/10 contacts use that to get off the phone before I do my pitch.

      I figure I'll break for 30 minutes or so and get back to it. I live in East TN where we lived through all those tornadoes a year ago so everyone seems a little sketchy about it.

      Is it an excuse to get off the phone, or would you continue to dial through anyway?

      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Rock on Reardon!

      Also remember: "The best time to make a sale is right after you just made one..."

      Thats an ole pro's saying...

      I know it feels great. Happy for you!

      In other words, you just found that person in the pile who says "Hey Reardon, Im so glad you called. I was just thinking about this the other day..."

      Or whatever.

      There is one in every pile; if you keep dialing you uncover it.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Well put it this way...If I was in a booth my manager would tell me to dial anyway, and he would be right, Id end up getting a sale anyway...

    If I were the manager I would tell my people "We are still here till four o'clock so you may as well make the most of it..." and they would hit quota anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Cool -- got back on the dialer and talked to 25 people -- got a lady interested in switching MedSupps (has to talk to husband unfortunately) -- would save her $650 a year and give me a $269 commission each year for 6 years (assuming it stays on the books). That's nice.

    I took the "Need to talk to husband" objection as a condition and let it stand -- didn't work hard to close and set an appointment -- what do you do when you run into a situation like that, where you call B2C to set an appointment up? Hard close or wait for mutual agreement?

    Be back on the dialer at 6:30 until 8:30/9:00
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I'd say, is he around? I'd be glad to run it by him...?

    If not

    Whats a good time to call back when you think you will have had a chance to talk to him ?

    50/50 chance it a wont work out reardon, thats how call backs work, but there is only a 2% chance that a "cold call" will work, so you are funneling them down.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Thanks John.

    Someone was right how just doing it will teach you more lessons than reading ABOUT sales from a book.

    "Never do a 1-legger" when selling life insurance, as they say.

    Will be firing it back up to finish up for a few.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrentDotCom
    Read Rhinoceros Success and attack the phones. Each time they say no, just raise your voice another level in intensity and volume. Upon the 10th no, tell the guy to stand up, put his left hand in his pocket, feel around, and tell you if they are big enough?

    It won't be no time before you are driving an Aston Martin.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Today's Results:

    Total Dials: 629
    Total Contacts: 208
    Total A Leads: 1
    Total B Leads: 2
    Total C Leads: 1

    Another pretty good day! First lead came in and was DEFINITELY interested in buying burial insurance -- sent the app in the mail for her to sign and return: Once approved and submitted = $650 commission

    The other was a GOOD lead, but has to talk to hubby, so we'll call this a "B" lead -- would save her $600+ on her Medicare Supplement and net a first year commission of $240ish dollars (then the same amount each year for 5 years).

    C lead is a follow-up for Annual Enrollment Period when certain folks can do the switcheroo on their Medicare programs in October.

    Hey Guys, Thoughts On This? -- My new script... posted here:

    "“Hi – Is Mr. or Mrs. Jones in? This is Hank Rearden with Mutual of Omaha; I’m calling to see if you'd like to learn more about a new, money-saving Medicare insurance and burial insurance program we're rolling out?"

    I'm getting SOME people who respond with more than a "Not interested" saying they have their burial insurance taken care of. I'm wondering if I might be confusing them by stuffing both "Medicare" and "Burial" in there. I did that to condense the original lead and to include both products. Any thoughts on this approach possible dissuading prospects?

    Thanks again,
    Dave
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Goal today is to hit another 200-250 contacts. Then Thursday and Friday (hopefully) run some of these appointments, although I get the feeling I'll start running the lion's share of them next week as my pipeline fills.

    Another question: I'm working a list with close to 2200 names. I've reached about half of them or so. What's the process of reworking the numbers that you may have missed the first time around? After one round through, would you work a new list? Or is it more prudent to run through the list once again?

    Thanks!

    PS: Any idea on how to work off referrals from people you maybe talk to on the phone but aren't interested/qualified? What do you guys do if anything in garnering referrals from cold calls?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    LOL -- funny, funny, funny...

    Dialed for just under 2 hours so far... I have 3 REALLY good leads for burial insurance.

    All are callbacks BUT... all are really interested.

    1 lady is interested in adding a small policy on to what she has, another might have a 2-year waiting period program, then another has NO insurance, and agreed on price and coverage range, and I'm sending him the program in the mail to look at today.

    And I've only talked to 25 people so far this morning, too.

    Hopefully you guys are getting the point that cold calling actually WORKS.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    OK -- just got done talking to 25 more contacts over the past hour and forty-five minutes -- 1 distant warm lead, rest were not interested.

    I'm seemingly doing better getting into a conversation with people who put up the "I have too much insurance anyway" argument -- I usually make a joke about being "insurance poor," and go on to explain how I MAY be able to help them free up some money while keeping the same quality of coverage they have now. No success in getting conversions, but it should certainly help down the road.

    I plan on doing one more 2 hour block of cold calling till 5:00 or 5:30 to get 75-90 contacts for the day, for my goal of 500 contacts for the week.
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  • Profile picture of the author beeswarn
    Hey Readen, keep up the good work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Results for Today:

    Total Dials: 275
    Total Contacts: 90
    Total A Leads: 4!
    Total B Leads: 1

    A fantastic cold call session today -- here's my A lead results:

    1) A call back on a small burial insurance policy -- needs to talk to son first, but extremely interested -- would be a $400-$425 commission.
    2) A prospect sounds like he has a 2-year waiting period insurance product, where I could qualify him for immediate coverage at a better price -- could be a $400-$450+ commission.
    3) Called a dude with no burial insurance and wants to take a look at a $6000 policy -- could be a $600-$700 commission
    4) THE WHALE -- talked to a super-nice guy who talked HIMSELF into going forward with a 15-year term policy through me -- if approved and he takes, could be $1200-$1500 policy.


    So, let's take a summary of this week's cold calling results:

    Total dials: 566 + 629 + 275 = 1470
    Total Contacts 201 + 208 + 90 = 499 (rounds up to 500 goal... )
    Total A Leads: 6 to 7
    Total B Leads: 4
    Total Call Time = MON 9AM to 8:30PM with 3 hours total breaks, TU 9AM to 8:30PM with 4-5 hours of breaks, WED 9AM to 4PM, with 2 hours of breaks.

    My goal NOW for Thursday and Friday (maybe Saturday, too) this week is to door-knock these people, and see if I can drop off the information, ie, try to get in the door and pitch them on the program, at least for the ones that committed to my idea in concept, but needed to ask a spouse/kid for final approval.

    I'm sure not all of these will formulate, but some will. If I can make $2000+ in commissions, which in my opinion is EASILY doable with the leads I have the ability to work, I'll call it a GREAT week -- although I should be able to hit $3000 in commissions IMO.

    So... does cold calling work? YES -- but please, don't bother trying! I don't need any competition in my neck of the woods. So PLEASE -- keep spending money on that new shiny marketing program some copywriting "guru" convinced you was worth several thousands of dollars.

    I'll update my closed deals results on Friday or Saturday, then begin updating only once per day what my total dials, contacts, and leads are.

    Hope this helps someone out there in Internet land to grow the balls to make the calls.

    And if I can do it... TRUST ME... YOU most certainly CAN do it, too!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Okay so you have 20 hours of dialing in..., you have around 10 decent leads, and you see the possibility of at least 2 grand. Not bad.

      If you were doing web sales it would be more like 5 grand probably, but thats cool. $100 per hour. Crossing my fingers that you get the 3 grand. Good stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    You really think I could pull down 5 g's weekly on web site sales over the phone, and outsource the whole bit without having to do the handy work myself?

    What can you cross sell with selling websites? Seems like a good lead into other web-based lead gen/marketing opportunities after you develop a relationship.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Other people do, thats all I can say. What one man can do so can another.
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  • Profile picture of the author HAdrian1239
    At this stage of the game, it's more like what can you NOT cross sell with selling websites... LOL... there's a ton of stuff.... I'll come back to this in a bit.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rearden
      Yes, please do share when you get a chance. Thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author abelamorales
        Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

        Yes, please do share when you get a chance. Thanks.
        There are so many things that you can cross-sell a website with... graphic design work, SEO, newsletter, SMM, blogging, video marketing, etc.

        The most important thing about a business is to continuously bring in a monthly cash flow... there are two specific services I like to cross-sell:
        • Hosting
        • Seo
        You can go to Web Hosting Services, Reseller Hosting, VPS Hosting, and Dedicated Servers by HostGator and sign-up for a reseller hosting account (not an affiliate link) For 50GB of storage and 500 GB of bandwidth, it cost $24.95 a month... You can easily get 10 clients on this (contingent upon their site) at $35 a month generating you $350 a month "hosting". As you grow your client base, your monthly hosting revenue will increase.


        SEO is another big hitter. The way I put it to my client is this way, "We are creating a website that will be your online marketing billboard... however we need to help your website rank on search engines for certain keywords in order for your clients to find you, there is no use of having a website if your potential clients cannot find you, don't you agree?"


        Now that you have gotten into the groove of Cold Calling, I think you would do great with selling websites. Start reading some more threads and learn how others and what others are doing with their Internet Marketing business. Then, create a team that you can outsource those services, create a website, and start cold calling.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Thanks abel.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    A couple other observations, specifically geared at the person who's eternally thought about cold calling, but frankly hasn't had the balls to take action.

    1) As I sit here Thursday morning after talking to nearly 500 people this week, I can HONESTLY tell you NO BODY was abrasive, abusive, or mean-spirited. In fact, I'm only thinking of the positive outcomes -- not just the great leads I generated, but also that several of the people I spoke to -- again, completely cold without ever meeting them before -- were actually HAPPY that I called. Can you believe that? I even had one dude who said, "It's been a pleasure to speak with you; you're how telemarketers should be, asking the right questions and being conversational."

    2) I can guarantee you, I was probably one of many telemarketers who called each person on my list that day. As soon as they said "Not Interested," I'm sure not even 5 seconds later they forgot who I was and any annoyance they may have felt. Trust me, you're not nearly of a pest as you've been brainwashed by negative hype over telemarketer-haters.

    3) Truthfully, all it takes is getting through 10 calls on the phone to experience how EASY it is to make phone calls. 10 calls! By number 11th, you'll be laughing at yourself for how stupid it was to lose sleep and be afraid of talking to people over the phone (that's how I felt). After that, it's easy as pie.

    4) Cold calling really develops your conversational abilities, your rebuttal-handling skills, and closing skills. Plus I think it's easier to say the more controversial rebuttals over the phone while pre-qualifying than it is in person during a face-to-face presentation.

    So, there you have it. If I think of any more positive reasons why you should be cold calling, I'll include them later.

    PS: Guys. IT'S TRUE. The people ARE out there, waiting to GIVE YOU their MONEY! Are you going to pick up the phone and take it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Battrick
      Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

      A couple other observations, specifically geared at the person who's eternally thought about cold calling, but frankly hasn't had the balls to take action.

      1) As I sit here Thursday morning after talking to nearly 500 people this week, I can HONESTLY tell you NO BODY was abrasive, abusive, or mean-spirited. In fact, I'm only thinking of the positive outcomes -- not just the great leads I generated, but also that several of the people I spoke to -- again, completely cold without ever meeting them before -- were actually HAPPY that I called. Can you believe that? I even had one dude who said, "It's been a pleasure to speak with you; you're how telemarketers should be, asking the right questions and being conversational."

      2) I can guarantee you, I was probably one of many telemarketers who called each person on my list that day. As soon as they said "Not Interested," I'm sure not even 5 seconds later they forgot who I was and any annoyance they may have felt. Trust me, you're not nearly of a pest as you've been brainwashed by negative hype over telemarketer-haters.

      3) Truthfully, all it takes is getting through 10 calls on the phone to experience how EASY it is to make phone calls. 10 calls! By number 11th, you'll be laughing at yourself for how stupid it was to lose sleep and be afraid of talking to people over the phone (that's how I felt). After that, it's easy as pie.

      4) Cold calling really develops your conversational abilities, your rebuttal-handling skills, and closing skills. Plus I think it's easier to say the more controversial rebuttals over the phone while pre-qualifying than it is in person during a face-to-face presentation.

      So, there you have it. If I think of any more positive reasons why you should be cold calling, I'll include them later.

      PS: Guys. IT'S TRUE. The people ARE out there, waiting to GIVE YOU their MONEY! Are you going to pick up the phone and take it?
      What a great post!

      Kudos to you Rearden. You're so right analysis paralysis or good old fear can hold us back from achieving our goals.

      The fact is that you will get people who say "No" .. Heck I've had plenty who have told me to "do one" (Brits can be ruder I guess!!), but I' not gonna cry about it, in fact I embrace it as I'm sure you do!

      It should inspire you to work harder and make you pitch even better!

      Theres alot of great info on this forum and some awesome products that will tell you you don't need to cold call. But personally I'd say that if you don't cold call and "toughen up" a little and put in some hard miles ... Well you might find it hard to make even the most incredible system work for you.

      Like Rearden says, go make some calls someone WILL say YES!
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    It is amazing what a few days and a few phone calls will do.

    Perspective is everything

    Good to see you gave up the crazy action plans, that were leading nowhere fast
    and just picked up the phone. I bet you feel like a different person now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Y'all have to understand.

    What's remarkable is that I've BOUGHT into the marketing guru stuff for 6 years.

    I've spent and wasted tens of thousands of dollars on ads, direct mail, etc.

    Some of it pulled GREAT, while most went south quick.

    The IRONY of it all is that I have "de-volved" into the very thing that's such a "waste of time," "inefficient," blah, blah, blah -- cold calling! Freakin' actually SPEAKING to a real live person, as opposed to sending direct mail pieces hoping it'll pull a decent response.

    Oh well. I'm thankful to have survived selling this long to realize the folly of some of the hype I've bought over the years, to justify my past FEAR of just ASKING if someone's interested in learning more about my wares.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

      Y'all have to understand.

      What's remarkable is that I've BOUGHT into the marketing guru stuff for 6 years.

      I've spent and wasted tens of thousands of dollars on ads, direct mail, etc.

      Some of it pulled GREAT, while most went south quick.

      The IRONY of it all is that I have "de-volved" into the very thing that's such a "waste of time," "inefficient," blah, blah, blah -- cold calling! Freakin' actually SPEAKING to a real live person, as opposed to sending direct mail pieces hoping it'll pull a decent response.

      Oh well. I'm thankful to have survived selling this long to realize the folly of some of the hype I've bought over the years, to justify my past FEAR of just ASKING if someone's interested in learning more about my wares.

      You must feel very liberated as Ken kind of said. Once you learn to cold call you never have to be a slave to any other man again, nor do you ever need anyone elses marketing advice again.

      You are DONE Reardon! Stick a fork in you! lol You wont need my help anymore for one, . the light bulb came on!

      You can create a million business models from what you just learned.

      Congrats.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Call me crazy, but now I know I can do cold calling, I'm thinking of how I can talk to 1000 people weekly, and transition to 100% phone-based sales, where I mail/email/fax the app as opposed to running appointments after selling the "concept" over the phone.

    The BIG hurdles (in my opinion) are:
    -Getting clients to include banking information and Social Security information
    -To mail it back in a timely fashion

    I might have to qualify REALLY heavily closing the deal down on the phone to make it happen, and possibly doing another phone follow-up once they get the app in the mail, to go over it line-by-line, making sure they filled everything out correctly. That shouldn't be too hard if I qualify them well and lay out the step-by-step process of what to expect prior.

    I also figure I could include a copy of my license, a picture of my family, and (real cool idea), I could burn a DVD-R for the client to play after receiving the packet to confirm I'm actually a real person and I appreciate their business, and firming up the sale. You know, some way to create a synthetic version of an appointment without me being there. All of which is cheap to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author beeswarn
    Rearden, you are doing great but you're not quite done, yet. The next step in your development is to teach yourself to stick to it. You will have slumps and hitting streaks that will tempt you to get off the phone and do something else.

    Resist these temptations and continue exactly as you're doing for six full months, Then start thinking about ways to make it more efficient. When you're there you'll have made enough sales and retained enough earnings to make sensible investments, as in an assistant to chase paper for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Thanks Bees -- you're right. It's like exercise; it's uncomfortable, but once you're in the motion of it, you feel great.

    Take this morning; I irrationally felt like NOT cold calling, but pushed through. In 2 hours, I garnered 1 lead for a husband and wife that's VERY interested, and got off the phone with a B-type lead for life insurance.

    I guess it all comes down to self-discipline regardless of positive or negative circumstances. Thanks Bees.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

      Thanks Bees...
      This cracks me up. You guys are buds! Its joy, not laughing in a neg way.

      Reardon, I would still go with the assumptive opening I gave you, but try it any way you like, Im telling you that one works...

      You start out saying "this is reardon, calling to day on behalf of _____, Hope you are doing well.

      Briefly Im calling today because, we are shooting free quotes out to all the ___like yourself who _________, and I just wanted to make sure I still have your info correct here... ....you folks are at 123 main right? Okay great.

      Hey real quickly just to make sure I get you an accurate comparison...Do you know who your current policy is with offhand? Okay great and...."

      Then go into your questionnaire, and qualify them.

      I promise if you do 20 calls like that you are going to notice a vast improvement in getting through pitches, if you do it verbatim.

      Verbatim, is for a reason, because I tested it on a whole room till it worked.

      Jes sayin... I gave my advice.

      Dont "ask" your way in- Rather "Assume", its all psychology just like copy writing... lead the conversation where you want it to go...by being assumptive.

      I dont have any pride about being creative when it comes to telemarketing scripts- I just do what works, but first you have to KNOW what works, and this works.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Some Updates:

    Starting tomorrow from 9AM to 9PM to try to hit 200-250 contacts before ending the day.

    Since the lion's share of the business I've contacted is EXCLUSIVELY interested in life and burial insurance, I'm going to change my script up to just pitch life insurance.

    I'm changing my list to hit people ages 45-79.

    Also, my script will read:

    "Hi Mrs. Smith? This is Hank Rearden calling out of Chattanooga with Mutual of Omaha. I'm calling to see if you'd like to learn more about a new, low-cost final expense life insurance program we're rolling out."

    I was also thinking about this script -- thoughts?

    "Hi Mrs. Smith? This is Hank Rearden, I'm a professional life insurance agent from Mutual of Omaha; and I help people like yourself who want free their families from worrying about paying for any debts or final expenses. With that in mind, would you object to me asking you a few questions to see how my programs might be of benefit to you?"

    See y'all tomorrow,
    Dave
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Thanks as always, John.

    Led with my revised one-product approach; set an appointment for tomorrow evening for a replacement on a couple; have some warm leads to follow up later, and another good lead who's budget-qualified and health-qualified.

    Don't think I've even hit 100 contacts today, either.

    I've also dropped the list to 45-79 year olds versus the 66-78 year old list I used. I'm finding my dial-to-contact ratio is less, as I'm hitting more voice mails and parents' kids who are home for the summer.

    I'll do a wrap up later tonight.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Rearden View Post


      Don't think I've even hit 100 contacts today, either.
      You will require less and less call every day . Good stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    To leave a voice message or not?

    I have a 1500 person list, many of which work 9-5.

    I typically don't leave messages, BUT -- I have a function on my power dialer that can automatically leave a VM when the VM is detected, and, on top of that, it doesn't clog the phone line to leave the message.

    Have any of you power dialers ever leave messages with success? Success defined as THEM calling YOU back.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

    To leave a voice message or not?

    I have a 1500 person list, many of which work 9-5.

    I typically don't leave messages, BUT -- I have a function on my power dialer that can automatically leave a VM when the VM is detected, and, on top of that, it doesn't clog the phone line to leave the message.

    Have any of you power dialers ever leave messages with success? Success defined as THEM calling YOU back.

    I dont have a problem with leaving messages or not either way myself, I just judge by the call from how I feel, because even if they dont call back it plants a seed and if you dont call them back till two days later...it can cause them to say "Yeah I remember that call...hey I was thinking yesterday...can you....?"

    Many times after the seed grows you have a better "in" because they had time to settle on it a bit. If they dont call back, who cares they wouldnt have probably bought anyway, you qualified them out..

    On another note , your predictive dialer should have a place to list a "call back" number.

    Whatever number that is directed to should be getting calls all day and ringing off the hook from dropped calls ie; people seeing the number on the id and calling it back....you should have a sales message on the machine for the phone line that your call back number is directed to. At least thats how it works with safe sift and a few other. You will get probably 50 call ins per day or more especially if you set your drop rate a little higher on the dialer.

    If one were to use a callback line, and just got on a dialer and let the calls drop all day, just dis-positioning everything as a redial, your phone would ring off the hook with call ins, although I dont suggest that approach, but you should take advantage of the NATURAL call ins that occur from dropped calls by preparing an answering machine with a sales message. There will be alot of them in any event.Even though they arent calling in for a website, it still gives you a bit more leverage to pitch because on an emotional level "They called you".
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Calls today:

    Total Dials: 723
    Total Contacts: 188 (will make 12 calls tomorrow AM before running appointments)
    Total Appointments: 2
    Total A leads: 2
    Total B leads: 1 or 2
    Time on Dialer: 6 hours, 20 minutes (wow..., lot less than I thought?)

    Set 2 appointments, one for tomorrow to replace some coverage, and another for Saturday to do the same.

    Got lady pre-qual'ed who's gonna "think about it" and give me an answer tomorrow -- has enough cash to pay for the funeral -- so probably a no.

    Another is pre-qual'ed on price and health, and somewhat on need, too. But she had a worker in her house, so I'll either (a) door-knock her, or (b), call her tomorrow.

    Have a few others I developed today to put in the pipeline for next month.

    A couple of the leads I worked from last week ended up as being duds -- they're the one who needed to "talk to son" about it. I usually don't buy that bull$hit, and I try to qualify that garbage out upfront as much as I can, but I need to work on that, admittedly.

    Not too shabby of a day -- I have a ride-along to do Wednesday, so I'll probably be working the phone definitely Thursday evening, as well as some time on Friday, too.

    ...Oh ya, this $hit works..!

    JOHN -- yes, I have my office line as the display that pops up on Caller-ID -- they call me back on that and they listen to my voice mail pitch. I need to update it now that I'm exclusively asking for life business; getting a call to that line every 5 to 10 minutes I'm dialing.

    Thanks RNR.
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    • Profile picture of the author beeswarn
      Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

      Calls today:

      Total Dials: 723
      Total Contacts: 188 (will make 12 calls tomorrow AM before running appointments)
      Total Appointments: 2
      Total A leads: 2
      Total B leads: 1 or 2
      Time on Dialer: 6 hours, 20 minutes (wow..., lot less than I thought?)
      That is an absolute sh*tload of dials in a day. Are you dialing manually?
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by beeswarn View Post

        That is an absolute sh*tload of dials in a day. Are you dialing manually?

        When you are on a dialer half of those numbers are dropped calls so you only take about half of them. You dont even kn ow they are being dialed because the are stacked up behind your current call and most of them drop...also it drops all "no answers..."

        He got 188 "contacts" so thats about right.

        If you only dial 100 numbers though you only talk to 20 or 30 generally.

        The way a dialer dials isnt the same as a manual dialer.

        So he set two appointments today out of 188 "Hello's"

        A hello generally lasts about 30 second and if yuou are lucky you get to actually pitch 25% of thjose.

        In the end though the goal is to write a couple of $3500 appointments in that six hours.

        He actually had a slow appointment setting day, I would have expected more like 6-8 appointments from this day, but we sometimes have better days. as they say, sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you.

        In short if a person books themselves 6-8 appointments per week it can lead to serious income.

        On another note, he is in an industry where many people are on medicaid and so he gets higher "no's" than a webdesigner would.

        Its all logical.

        In the end, if you worked for someone else you would work 8-10 hours per day and make alot less than you would doing it for yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    For all you cold-feet cold callers out there, this stuff is JUST like exercising.

    You dread doing it -- you think about other things you can do -- you think about busting your a$$ running laps and how miserable it'll feel. Then you start doing it... start warming up... getting into the GROOVE -- and REALLY start to enjoy it.

    ...The funny thing is it doesn't change.

    I've heard it before from folks -- it's not necessarily that the FEAR or NERVES disappears... you just become MASTER over it. You simply ignore it and not give it strength. Neuter it, if you will.

    It's even there a little beneath the surface while you call -- I think the worst time is actually BETWEEN calls for me, NOT while I'm talking shop. But you MASTER that irrational fear and gut its pointlessness.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Yeah, it's pretty neat -- Mojo Dialer calls three lines simultaneously -- if I'm on the line with one and another picks up, it plays a pre-recorded message about "How I can't hear you... I'll call you back in a sec." Then the dialer dials them again after I'm done with the other line.

    It auto-detects VMs too and doesn't play them 90%-95% of the time; just hangs up at that point.

    If I do one good pitch an hour -- which lasts 15 minutes or so typically -- I can talk to 30-40 people every hour still, and still dial around 100-120 dials per hour.

    Don't know why anyone would be crazy NOT to power dial the residential markets these days; most people have voice mails to screen calls these days, and it takes about 3.5 dials for every contact during prime times and 5 dials to 1 contact during off times.
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  • Profile picture of the author beeswarn
    Rearden, I believe everything you're reporting because all your numbers look right. Just wondered if you were using a dialer or working 12 hour shifts. Keep up the good work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    I do need to talk to more people -- I WANT 250 contacts per calling day and somewhere around 600 contacts a week -- it can easily be done with running appointments to collect checks 2.5 days a week.

    I will say that I did do some follow-up calls on older leads and connected with maybe 1 of them this morning, too.

    At this point it'll take 2 or 3 days of dialing to do that -- I'll probably be slamming it hard Thursday evening and part of the day Friday to make that happen, so I can run appointments Friday and Saturday.

    Looks like I'm going to have to pass on Batman until Sunday when everyone's in church...
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Thursday's Results:

    Total Dials: 492
    Total Contacts: 149
    Total A Leads: 2
    Total B Leads 7 or 8
    Total Cold Call Dial Time: 5 hours, 11 minutes. (ugh.)

    Set an appointment for tomorrow, and have a definite strong appointment for later this week, or if I door knock on Saturday.

    Had a BUNCH of good leads to follow up with for a conversation for tomorrow or Saturday.

    Set a few appointments I had called on for tomorrow. Submitted my whale app from a couple of weeks ago. A few of the leads from last week didn't pan through.

    Didn't hit my numbers like I wanted. BUT, I am starting to follow through on my leads and stuffin' that pipeline. Can definitely see it coming together now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Weekly Total (including Saturday Calling):

    Total Dials: 1393
    Total Contacts: 401
    Total A Leads: 3-4
    Total B Leads: 10+

    Little low on the contacts -- will work on that next week (if I'm not selling Web Design by then instead).

    Hey guys -- Saturday is a great day to call! Had like 1 out of every 3 dials connect.

    One dude's set for Monday to write up an app -- total laydown. Had 2 others put in the pipeline -- one for a few months from now, another possibly next week if it turns out her policy is crap.

    Like I mentioned, I'm going, either this upcoming week or next, switch over to cold calling for web design and possibly SEO stuff. I can speak a business owner's language (have owned a small business in the past), and can at least learn the basics of both products to competently explain the benefits to prospects, AND I like the idea of doing business over the phone, as opposed to running appointments AFTER cold calling (like I have to do selling life insurance).

    I will update this thread with a brief business plan explaining where my focus will be. Feel free to constructively criticize.


    Best,
    Dave
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    • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
      Dear Rearden/ Dave,

      I have a question for you. Now, don't take this the wrong way will you.

      How many sales have you actually made? Every post you mention money has the words If, Could, Would, Should, Maybe in it.

      I see the post above says you have a laydown for Monday so that's 99% and hopefully 100% so maybe next week you can write Got instead of the above.

      But I have not seen a Got yet. Well maybe I am blind and missed a post but you get the gist.

      Dan
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Thanks Dan.

    3 sales with another three hopefully on Monday.

    I wont lie. Some of the leads I thought were good ended up being unqualified.

    The ones I have struggled with have been interested but not urgently interested.

    I would take them all the way down to the appointment and they'd waffle.

    Truthfully, there really want an urgency because they had suficient coverage.

    Which frustrates me because I'm working on doing the heavy lifting pre qualifying within 5 minutes.

    I figure it is like John said; there are certain leads that have interest but not enough urgency. I can usually tell within the first three minutes if they are either or.

    Just need a little more unmitigated gaul I guess!
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  • Profile picture of the author BPSphx
    Of note here... The average life insurance nets around $500 in profit, so not too shabby!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    1 appointment today rescheduled and another stood me up -- OF course it was the "lay-down" LOL.

    Hopefully I can come back with some redemption in this mother and report I closed both leads later this week...

    However I DID get a referral from a client I sold a month or two back. That was nice, and should see them tomorrow (husband and wife).

    In the mean time, I've pretty much decided to start selling ad space based on Bob Ross's EDDM business model. Reason being I understand business owners (have been one for years), can speak advertising and the RESULTS of advertising, and can confidently explain the benefits of EDDM on a monster postcard.

    I'm going to toss my business plan in this forum in a few days and MAYBE begin to roll it out next week? Definitely in 2 weeks.

    In the meantime, I will be running life insurance appointments tomorrow and cold calling for life business tomorrow as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Still here, guys.

    Things have changed.

    Took a F500 sales job and started last week. Looks like I'll commit 50 hours a week once I go through training -- they largely cold call to generate appointments to generate business.

    That leaves me 15-20 hours of time to master my phone close skillz. I love "Giving Good Phone." That won't get me banned, right?

    The happy news is that I've moved on from cold calling Seasoned Citizens now into preying, uhh, I mean cold calling on business owners for web design. Time to show Ken and Iam up!

    The reason I did that is (a) to close life biz over the phone, you need to conduct a phone interview, collect banking information, and a Social Security number. The type of people I sell burial insurance to... hmm. Let's just say it don't work out too well... And (b), one of the downsides to selling burial insurance is the lapse ratio -- lots of fixed income folk I sell to are a car repair away from a lapse, which means I have to pay back the unearned commissions that were advanced to me. Unfortunately, the average commission check ISN'T worth the inherent risk, ESPECIALLY considering pitching web design is similar if not A LOT more average deal size with a much SMALLER chargeback ratio.

    So, least I can say, is that I'm excited to transition over to a better opportunity.

    MY STRATEGY -- it's two-fold for now. I'm going to (a) utilize a voice broadcast system to send out a press-1 campaign to get prospects interested in web design to press one and then leave a message. I'm opting for the "Double-qualified" route to fleece out the garbage leads. Then (b) will be good old smiling and dialing when not working those leads.

    I have about 7,000 contractors of various sorts (landscapers, painters, plumbers, etc) to test the Press 1 concept out -- it worked great for me in life insurance, so if the nut can be cracked here, I'm sure it can also be nice for this biz as well.

    I will be calling into PST zones in Nevada, Oregon, and Washington, after I get off work. My goal is to cold call and call on Press 1s 5 to 8 hours during the week, and 5-8 hours on the weekend.

    I will separate Press 1 dials/contacts/results from cold call dials/contacts/results for all of us to analyze the difference.

    My lead is web design/redesign. I'm tempted to do SEO but (a) I don't know anything about it to "feel" competent, and (b) I already tried offering multiple services before and didn't like that outcome.

    I'll try my best to take payment over the phone via check. Alternative is Dwolla account. Back-up alternative is "check in mail." Also my goal is a one-call close, but it doesn't have to be that way.

    I think that's it for now. Goal is to start tomorrow or Thursday evening, if I can get CheckMan operating correctly. Oh and I need my script prepared, which will be largely based on the JD's great Telemarketing Report.

    Best,
    Dave


    PS: Hey sales guys -- great resource for you. Read Schiffman's "Getting to 'CLOSED'" -- in all my years sellin' I never had a FRAMEWORK to categorize the QUALITY of prospects. I always thought a verbal commitment was as good as a contracted deal (people don't keep their word).

    Schiffman teaches a prospecting system that categorizes each "prospect" by their level of or lack of commitment, largely by how THEY act in moving forward. It allows the lowly salesman to determine quickly whether it's a A, B, C, D, or F lead, as opposed to losing sleep, thinking whether or not the prospect will ever take his phone call.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I love this post personally Reardon because in this very thread I advised you that an internet related service would be a better opportunity, and have consistently advised people to start off with one clear offer, or they would get the result as newbys that you described here... So this is a big confirmation for me.

    Its easier to focus on a single package because you always know exactly where you are going. And your target customers are similar, so you ALSO learn to recognize and work with them faster...

    Im creating a flyer right now for my salesman to carry into appointments that defines one clear offer....How do I know they are going to be interested in that and not something else? Because my appointment script sets them up for that offer....and on the flip side of the flyer it will have all the services listed individually at non sale price, along with about 5-6 other services that arent included in the package offer.

    This way the business owner SEEs how much he would be spending if he didnt take the package, on the individual services, and it also gives the salesman a place to go if the guy says "I want to add facebook to this package or whatever.

    The clear optional services (individually listed , not as packages) on the back of the flyer will give the salesman a place to go if he is solicited for those services, and they will also make the package itself appear more valuable by comparison- but the "salesman" is focused on explaining only ONE package in his pitch... and that will make sales, because when there is focus there is power.

    The greater the focus, the greater the power.

    Now , there is another school of thought about offering several choices of packages that I have entertained...because if you work that on its operating system then it can work, but in my experience for a newby, focus, clear, concise, non disorienting, not too much to carry around.... is POWER.

    When I say "Operating system" I mean that Im designing the operating system to be synergistic with a one package pitch, in other words, the appointment setting script sets the appointment up for that specific package to be considered.

    Now I know you are talking about phone closing, and we will be doing some of that too... the appointment is an option...however, its all set up to "Not sell epopel what they dont need" but rather "Find people that need what we sell".

    In both cases; the decision to make a single package to promote, and the decision to find people who need what we sell instead of "finding out what people think they need", the method to the madness is to give all the leverage to the salesman... give him clarity, and singular purpose and not burden him with a bunch of words to master and a bunch of knowledge to master- he only needs to know his pitch.

    By not giving a choice between packages, even though I have teeter tottered on this a bit- you place the control of the flow in the salesmans hands, because otherwise, in a consultative situtation (for lack of a better word) the sales man shows up to a different set of anticipations on each meeting and he never masters his pitch, at least for a long time, because its a different scenario in every meeting.

    By focusing on a single package the scenario hardly changes from one appointment to the next and he is able to master, succeed, and be encouraged to keep going much more quickly and he masters his pitch much better.

    Anyway, your post here confirms alot of what I talk about till Im blue in the face....lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    I think it depends, John.

    I would say it's best to focus on one product for an extended period of time before attempting to add in other offerings.

    I can think of two veteran insurance agents that do this.

    One leads with Medicare Supplements on cold calls. Once he's in the house, he'll fact-find, ask about life insurance, maybe cancer policies, and package them into a solution, where he can not ONLY save the prospect money on their Medicare Supplement insurance coverage, but also improve their life insurance coverage, too. Later, AFTER he gets them as clients, he cross-sells annuities and other products.

    Dude makes a half million a year in commissions, counting residuals; probably puts up a quarter million in new premium commissions annually.

    And new commissions are probably 80%-90% cold calls...

    Another guy cold prospects business owners IN PERSON, gives them a canned series of ways one can "go out of business," (which doesn't sound very canned and each point has a insurance product that can solve it) and sets the appointment.

    Then again, I know of agents that strictly sell final expense life insurance that net $200,000 commissions yearly, and others that sell voluntary life insurance benefits and net a quarter-million annually.

    I guess it can be done both ways! I think it's simpler to focus on one product or service, take time to master it, then CONSIDER adding in different lines.

    If I was taking in a new salesperson (totally new to sales), I would discipline them on one particular product, getting him to know it back and forth, while also getting down pat his pitch, and mastering that BEFORE complicating matters.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rearden
      So, piecing together the final bits of my campaign.

      I *WILL* start tomorrow.

      Around 9AM PST, I'm going to voice broadcast a press-1 campaign to just under 2000 contractors; I'm also considering re-running the campaign AGAIN in the evening, depending on results.

      Here's my Voice Broadcast pitch:

      "This message is for business owners concerned about
      getting MORE BUSINESS from the Internet.

      Do you have an OLD website that needs SERIOUS updating?

      Or do you WANT a website, but just haven't GOTTEN AROUND to getting one?

      If you answered yes to either question, we can help.

      We design attractive, budget-friendly web sites that look great
      AND get YOU more customers.

      To get more information on our web design services,
      press the number 1 on your phone now.

      Press the number 9 to be removed from our list."

      Those that press 1 will be transferred to my voicemail to double-qualify, which goes like this:

      "Hi there, this is Hank Rearden speaking.

      Thanks for responding to my message.

      If you are looking for an easy, budget-friendly web site creation and web site
      redesign solution to improve your business's image and bottom line, you're in the right place!

      Currently I'm on the other line assisting customers like yourself with their web
      site questions.

      If you will please leave your name, the BEST number to reach you at, and a little about what you're looking for, I will contact you within the next 24 business hours. Thanks!"

      I will also leave a message, saying, "Ya, hi, this is Hank, have a question about your website, call me at XXX.." -- if they call me back based on the VM I left OR based on the caller ID, they will get another message, saying:

      "Hi there, this is Hank Rearden."

      "If you're calling back from a missed call or voice message I left, the reason
      I called was that my company ReardenDirect offers attractive, budget-friendly
      Web Site Design Services for companies who either DON'T have a website, OR feel like their current web site needs a face lift."

      If you have an open mind about learning how my Web Design Programs could benefit your business's bottom line, at the sound of the beep, please leave your name, the BEST number to reach you at, and your web address if you have one. Thanks."

      All of the phone numbers and voice message services are set up for FREE on Google's "Voice" program.

      I should spend around $25-$30 on each occurrence of the voice blast. If I can make a sale or two, I'll be happy with that.

      However, I WILL cold call off of another list if I don't get anything after both campaigns once I get home from work.
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  • Profile picture of the author nextgeneration
    WOW i just read the entire two pages of this thread and I am throughly impressed. I have several questions that I would love to ask you however, I dont have the ability to PM you yet.

    I would love to hear how the conversions go with the websites and what type of script you are going by or if you use a script at all when calling?

    Thanks for the great amount of advice and information!
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    • Profile picture of the author maverick8
      Originally Posted by nextgeneration View Post

      WOW i just read the entire two pages of this thread and I am throughly impressed. I have several questions that I would love to ask you however, I dont have the ability to PM you yet.

      I would love to hear how the conversions go with the websites and what type of script you are going by or if you use a script at all when calling?

      Thanks for the great amount of advice and information!
      Here's is an idea ask your questions on the thread so everyone has the ability to learn.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rearden
      Yes, feel free to include your questions. I'll answer them at length.

      My goal is to disqualify the "opportunity" within the first 5 minutes of the phone call. If they pass, they become a prospect.

      I like to frame questions where THEY sell me on why THEY need my product.

      "Do the heavy lifting up front" during a pitch -- that's the best advice I ever had a sales trainer give me. Most people who wouldn't buy from me, if I had had the guts, could have been disqualified out within minutes, IF I had asked the real hard questions.

      Hard questions include:

      "You sound successful; do you even really NEED a website?" -- they'll sell me if TRULY interested.
      "If you could close your eyes and imagine your DREAM website, what would you want it to do?" -- picked that up from kenmichaels, that way, you can cherry pick the features, and wrap it into a few benefits that persuade the opportunity to become a client.
      "At any point during our conversation, feel free to tell me NO if you're not interested; is that OK?" Builds Trust/puts them at ease/allows me to engage in honest, no BS dialogue so I know if Mr. Jones is really a prospect or not."
      "If I can do X, Y, Z (specific things the opportunity wants, again, wrapped up in an overall benefit [not feature!]) and GUARANTEE you'll be WOWed by my work, can you afford my web design fee of $997 *TODAY* (special emphasis on TODAY -- then I can determine if they are (a) broke, (b) Not THAT interested, or (c) are open to a payment plan, or (d) HOPEFULLY a true PROSPECT!"

      That's all in 5 minutes. This was a huge revelation for me after 5 or 6 years selling. I need to get the tough stuff out of the way FIRST. "You tell ME why YOU need a website," "Tell me MORE benefits you want out of your website," "Can we do business on MY terms if I can get all that you want at my price TODAY."

      ...As opposed to glad-handing for 30 minutes, describing the features and benefits of my product, asking a few questions, THEN asking for the money an hour after I arrived.

      If they answer through all of that in the affirmative, then my plan to go on is to draw out what he wants, describe how I'll do it, and cite the benefits on it'll be EASY, FAST, ATTRACTIVE, and GUARANTEED.

      Then I'll ask for a check over the phone.

      Oh yes -- one of my FAVORITE things to do (admittedly I'm still working to perfect) is to politely tell a prospect/opportunity that begins to waffle on my terms after I rebuttal an objection. This gives you DEFINITE momentum, tells the prospect you're a PROFESSIONAL, and that you're TOTALLY confident in your services, and, most importantly, that you don't NEED his trifling ass.

      "Hey Mr. Jones, one last thing before I hang up... (now I've GOT their attention), you told me you need X, Y, Z, and you can afford my fee. My work is guaranteed AND I KNOW I can get you the website of your DREAMS, with X, Y, Z. Can we do business TODAY, or is it over?"

      Originally Posted by nextgeneration View Post

      WOW i just read the entire two pages of this thread and I am throughly impressed. I have several questions that I would love to ask you however, I dont have the ability to PM you yet.

      I would love to hear how the conversions go with the websites and what type of script you are going by or if you use a script at all when calling?

      Thanks for the great amount of advice and information!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    OK --

    Dropped to 1900 contractors the "double-qualified" leads -- batting zero on press-1 leads and callback leads, as well.

    Going to target 3,600 voicemail leads tomorrow morning into mailboxes -- offer is straightforward, and going to offer free MOBILE WEBSITES ($399 Value) for people who contact me within the next 24 hours and want to do business with me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rearden
      OK -- results for today:

      Total Dials: 50
      Total Connects: 11
      Total Answering Machines: 38
      Not Interested: 11
      Pitches Given: 0

      My list is Plumbers, Landscapers, and Electricians -- couldn't get through to a single damn one of them, it felt like.

      I was calling into PST 4:10PM to 5:35PM -- any thoughts? Sound right? Bad night?

      Will dial a boatload come Saturday into my local area -- wondering if y'all had some thoughts as to which lists work best on a Saturday.

      Didn't launch the Voiceblasted VMs -- need to record my message first. Will do it tomorrow morning.

      -Dave
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      • Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

        OK -- results for today:

        Total Dials: 50
        Total Connects: 11
        Total Answering Machines: 38
        Not Interested: 11
        Pitches Given: 0

        My list is Plumbers, Landscapers, and Electricians -- couldn't get through to a single damn one of them, it felt like.

        I was calling into PST 4:10PM to 5:35PM -- any thoughts? Sound right? Bad night?

        Will dial a boatload come Saturday into my local area -- wondering if y'all had some thoughts as to which lists work best on a Saturday.

        Didn't launch the Voiceblasted VMs -- need to record my message first. Will do it tomorrow morning.

        -Dave
        you are a warrior showing such accountability, shows Integrity.
        can I ask where your at?
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

        OK -- results for today:

        Total Dials: 50
        Total Connects: 11
        Total Answering Machines: 38
        Not Interested: 11
        Pitches Given: 0

        My list is Plumbers, Landscapers, and Electricians -- couldn't get through to a single damn one of them, it felt like.

        I was calling into PST 4:10PM to 5:35PM -- any thoughts? Sound right? Bad night?

        Will dial a boatload come Saturday into my local area -- wondering if y'all had some thoughts as to which lists work best on a Saturday.

        Didn't launch the Voiceblasted VMs -- need to record my message first. Will do it tomorrow morning.

        -Dave
        Sometimes you eat the bear..., and sometimes the bear eats you!

        It all works out in the averages. Whats an hour out of our afternoon anyway- a couple of Andy Griffith episodes?

        Blow it off, and say to yourself "I'll hit it...just wasnt quite in the zone today...It happens....dont challenge me."
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    Yep, you're right. Can't make any conclusions of such a small sample size.
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