NEW To WF or Marketing? - Here's why the Offline Forum Is Best For You!

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"Yaaay , I have only been marketing for 6 months and I just made my first 32 cents!! I'M Sooo Excited!!"

Have you ever seen one of those thread titles before in The main discussion area?


You don’t really want to be “that” guy do you?

Of course not, that’s why you chose offline Marketing.

Its hard to imagine people being that excited from making their first 32 cents online, when you know that you could pick up the phone and work for one week and make 10,000 times that much. ($3200).

Its even harder to imagine that anyone would even POST something like that, but they do every week just about.

Lets say it wasn’t 32 cents, lets say it was $320.00

“Yaaay I have been working for only 90 days and I just made my first $320.00”

Not much better huh?

You can make ten times that or even 100 times that in one sale offline.

Lets say it took two weeks to get your first sale... can you imagine how much better that is than other things you could be doing?

Does that get it into perspective?

So if you are trying to remember why you became an offliner, I would bet for many of you that thread titles like that are why. Lol

Have you ever seen a title like that? Could you believe it?

What did it make you think?

Does this put your motivation for continuing offline in perspective?

So what do you need to be an offliner and create this?

A: You need a Service to Offer

Example: There are a ton of guys offering SEO services in the WSO section Warriors for hire...

You can easily pick up their sales material and learn their product and start selling it weither on commission or a mark up.

On the Warrior forum, we are all marketers, so here you can get the best deals and cheapest prices for the best work, because the service providers here understand that you are in business, and that you have margins.

If you want to sell , they will do their best to accommodate you because its free sales for them, and you can mark the services up sky high if you want.

Another example: David Stewart will build you a website for $300 that you could sell for 2-3 THOUSAND. He is one of many designers who will do that here, only some will do it even cheaper. I have seen it for $98 bucks for an optimized five page WP site.

So in short, you will want to decide what you sell.

B: You will need to choose a strategy.

I prefer telemarketing for the quickest results to get some sales volume going, but there are other strategies as well. You need to choose a strategy that fits your skills set, for getting the message out to potential customers.

C: You will have to have a pitch or a web page, or an email, or post card or all of the above that is compelling and makes the prospects you reach through yopur marketing strategy to WANT TO BUY.

D: You don’t even need a merchant account. You can set yourself up as easily as taking electronic checks by phone, printing it out on check paper, and depositing it in your bank.

E: You need to have A LOT of determination, no matter what strategy you use.

If you can choose a service to offer (no you don’t have to know how to perform the service yourself) , find an outsourcer to work with (Easy peasy), decide on a marketing strategy for presenting your service to the public, ( it could be as simple as just calling people on the phone and offering it), and the determination to stick with that method until you “own it”...

Then you can be an offliner.


Originally Posted by Osman_M View Post

This stuff works! Period. If anyone tells you otherwise, then they just have not tried it. I just closed 3 clients last week.

Client 1 - $4500
-website redesign
-seo for 2 local keywords
-40 sec trailer

Client #2: $600
-website development
-hotel reservation site

Client #3: $850
-copywriting for his pamphlets

Cheers. Proven results.
So let me put this into a story perspective to illustrate better:

(Offline is a way to within days CREATE a job, instead of FIND one, for yourself)

Tom comes to the warrior forum clueless about what he wants to do, he just wants to learn to make money, but he doesn’t know how to build sites or do seo.

So he goes to Matt laclear and says “Hey could you use some more customers? I need a service to offer and I would be glad to act as a broker for your service if you can send me some materials to study and give me some prices... even sales pages.

Matt says “sure” and sends him links to all his prmo material... even helping him with references and testimonials...

Now Tom has not only a product, but credibility, and he has only been at the Warrior forum for one day.

The next day he studies the material, and comes back to the warrior forum and looks for sample pitches...and things like that, and he creates a telephone appointment setting pitch.

The next day he decides to get on the phone and start contacting people.

He builds his pipeline for the next three days with appointments, books himself solid for a week with 2 appointments per day with business owners who may be interested in becoming customers, by offering free consultations...

Days later he is in meetings and running appointments and out of 4 appointments, he closes a $1500 deal.

Day 5 he goes home from an appointment to his wife and says “Honey I got the chack, our business is working”.

Its that hard but its that simple.

Frankly Offline is the quicklest business you could probably start, with the least financial resources, and make the most profit in the quickest amount of time.

“Hey Honey, I closed 3 our of 7 appointments this week and made $5000 my very second week in business”.

THAT’S the guy you wanna be, and that’s a damn good reason to want to be in offline.

Lastly, I think the reason many of us do offline is because it makes sense.

Its not rocket science to be able to envision that business owners need the services we offer... in this world where nothing makes sense, and where you have alot to learn before you can make money.

Nothing hard to understand about selling a service to a local business, we see it happen every day...

I can personally tell you that in my time I have made a virtual TON, and I mean TON of moneyb offline, and I have tried many things... slowly over ten years I have learned some other forms of marketing, but I was selling websites the very first day I started, and I have seen millions of dollars made with it first hand. Its simply the most solid business model out there, and in this day and age, its the most sophisticated form of sales to be in, that any newby can quickly become an authority at.

If you are here to learn offline, you made a good choice. There is a ton of material here, and I swear you can more easily put yourself in business TODAY with offline, than virtually any other opportunity on the planet...unless you want ton mow lawns or something. lol

Hope this inspires someone to not chase bells and whistles, and to stay on track because this is really the most simple business to get started if you just make common sense and dont try to think too hard. Just do the things that you have seen work all around you , all your life, things that are easy to grasp and understand.

One business person offering service to another is all it is.

No rocket science required. Leave the rocket science to your out-sourcers, get the answer to any question you want from them, even if you have to call them on the phone during a meeting to answer a question for a customer...it makes you look resourceful , not dumb...

Just appreciate their work, while they appreciate your sales, and we all make money.

And hang in there, dont move before success has a chance to find you!

Sincerely,
-JD
#“yaay #“yaay #cents #excited” #made #months #working
  • Profile picture of the author Mav91890
    I instantly knew this was your thread by reading the title seeing you putting a similar title in your offline report

    Good Post
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    • Profile picture of the author triper1
      it really work or just like that ....keep give more relevant information.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    That line just stuck out to me so much when I first started. I couldnt figure out why ANYONE would be excited about stuff like that. So it stuck with me. Its typical of a title you may see in main discussion any given day.

    But I changed the Thread title. lol Dont want to overlap Preeti's.

    This is just for the sake of posting it, I dont expect it to blow up or anything honestly, because its just basic info, nothing spectacular, but it would be cool if alot of people get something out of it. Just had the thought and wanted to get it out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mav91890
    Definitely. I made the mistake of hanging out in the main internet marketing section for far too long, as well as another forum that pales in comparison to WF.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrinternational
    I too was at the main forum for longer than necessary, not a complete waste of time, you have to weed out a lot of threads and bs answers in order to get some substance. In here its almost one after another of solid actionable advice, that's part of the reason I hardly post in here I'm too busy taking notes.

    Great post mate.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Focus always works better, and this subforum is highly focused even though there are different methods, everybody knows what they are about, and we all can help each other make money. One of my fave things is sending business to other offline Warriors and not only helping myself but also letting my work bless others via contracting.... This is a great part of the forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Off line is pretty much cash on demand... it's like walking down
    the street picking up lost hundred dollar bills. The market is hungry
    and often desperate... especially with the economy in the tank...

    If you have average skills and above average desire and work
    ethic you would have to work at not making money off line...

    Or... as one of my associates likes to say... a monkey with a note in
    its mouth can sell this stuff if they just manage to get in front of the
    right people.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      If you have average skills and above average desire and work
      ethic you would have to work at not making money off line...
      Thanks Terry,

      I agree. If you cant make money with offline, it almost seems like you are "trying" to fail. Its very simple, takes a simple work ethic, There really should be no reason at all that an average person couldnt be making money in record time. Even if they are broke.

      Aside from that we have laid EVERYTHING out in the offline forum, there really is no guesswork left, because unlike other areas we dont really have SECRETS here, our big secret is just "doing business like normal people" (I guess that becomes more amazing everyday. lol)...its all here.

      -John
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  • Profile picture of the author henry Argueta
    i have never seen such posts but i have to go and check it out for myself if people really are exited about 32 cents
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    • Profile picture of the author giuseph90
      This is post is so inspiring even when you're not that much of a beginner for these sort of things. You know that line "Yaaay , I have only been marketing for 6 months and I just made my first 32 cents!! I'M Sooo Excited!!" really made me laugh. And it made me laugh because it's true, I'm seeing a lot similar post even to other forum other that warrior forum. Still I think I can understand their feelings about it, must've been a hard time for them to gain 32 cents in a very long period.
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      • Profile picture of the author sallan
        Great post, it is so much easier to build an offline business, pure IM is a hobby at best for most people and certainly not something I would consider to replace a full time income within a short time frame.

        My only reservation about the method outlined is that if you are looking to build a credible reputation in your local area make sure you have a good understanding of the product or service you are selling and that you don't promise things that can't be delivered, and know you can trust the provider to follow through with the project in the stated time.

        If you are in a small to medium sized town then it wont take long to build a reputation, either good or bad.
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      • Profile picture of the author goindeep
        I like offline methods and online methods but I suppose one argument from people would be that purely online they can make more money even if it does initially take longer.

        My opinion: there is no right or wrong. It's horses for courses. Everyone is different.
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    • Profile picture of the author jideofor
      Originally Posted by henry Argueta View Post

      i have never seen such posts but i have to go and check it out for myself if people really are exited about 32 cents
      Yeah. . . Such threads does exist at the main IM section.

      However, it's not entirely their fault. Its what they were taught about making money.

      Even John Durham would write the same thing if he didn't know what he knows now.

      Besides, I was into that category till stumbled on offline section out of curiosity and when I came here, I saw JD's legendary thread: "Newbie Read This: . . ." and I just fell in love with this place.

      Like I said, its not entirely their fault. Its because of what they know.

      No wonder the bible says : "... My people perish for lack of knowledge"
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  • Profile picture of the author fleacheck
    John you are absolutely correct. There are so many bright and shiny objects in IM, with offline, you can put a face with the name, shake their hand, and really see the difference you are making in their business and ultimately their life.

    With just the Offline subforum alone, I will be making 10,000 times the income I've made trying to put all of my online business together in a matter of a week. I wish someone would have conked me in the head to see this opportunity months ago. I am glad I have tried the online only approach, it has opened my eyes to the potential once I have the funds from Offline for outsourcing the technical details.

    The huge potential I see, is helping my offline clients connect their brick and mortar presence with a solid information based online presence. For me that is starting with a solid base of offline customers, and upselling them to broader more profitable services for both of us.

    Great inspiration John!
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  • Profile picture of the author NewParadigm
    The attraction of online is avoiding interaction with people. Many are terrified of the cold call, prospecting, selling process. Many want to be behind their computer and make passive income with little interaction. There are people out there that can do it but few and far between.

    Not many people have both skills of sales and programming/tech/outsourcing/coding etc....Nothing wrong with seeking out a sales driven partner to do that part of the business in offline. It's a nice clear line of separation and accountability in a partnership where one is in sales/marketing, the other in behind the scenes making the special sauce.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gouldmine
      Originally Posted by NewParadigm View Post

      The attraction of online is avoiding interaction with people. Many are terrified of the cold call, prospecting, selling process. Many want to be behind their computer and make passive income with little interaction. There are people out there that can do it but few and far between.

      Not many people have both skills of sales and programming/tech/outsourcing/coding etc....Nothing wrong with seeking out a sales driven partner to do that part of the business in offline. It's a nice clear line of separation and accountability in a partnership where one is in sales/marketing, the other in behind the scenes making the special sauce.
      You hit the nail on the head NewParadigm. If your not a people person find a partner to sell or outsource it (as long as you track the effort and results closely). I would be the first person to put my hand up to say I'm not a natural at selling to businesses but I have always wanted to help businesses with the skills I have, see them get results with my services and be seen as an asset to the local business community and earn good money in the meantime of course!
      It also makes working from home more of a joy, getting out and meeting people rather than be a IM on a PC alone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Bull****. You know pretty well the average is 12 cents per 90 days.












    None less, awesome advice for everyone.

    One business person offering service to another is all it is.
    Ditto.
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  • Profile picture of the author Osman_M
    This stuff works! Period. If anyone tells you otherwise, then they just have not tried it. I just closed 3 clients last week.

    Client 1 - $4500
    -website redesign
    -seo for 2 local keywords
    -40 sec trailer

    Client #2: $600
    -website development
    -hotel reservation site

    Client #3: $850
    -copywriting for his pamphlets

    Cheers. Proven results.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    We dont blame them , and we arent saying their dreams arent worthwhile, this post is to say that the offline forum is much more focused and that more people generally learn to make money in here faster... it makes sense, because there is less guess work, its just sales of online marketing products, just like any other offline sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author jideofor
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      We dont blame them , and we arent saying their dreams arent worthwhile, this post is to say that the offline forum is much more focused and that more people generally learn to make money in here faster... it makes sense, because there is less guess work, its just sales of online marketing products, just like any other offline sales.
      John Durham, Do you Know that you changed me back in 2010 when I first came here? Yeah... You are right it quite faster to make money with your strategy than anything else I learnt at the main section.
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  • Profile picture of the author PeacefulCalamity
    Talking to business owners and cold calling also helps towards being a more eloquent person. You get used to talking to complete strangers when you cold call occasionally.
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    • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
      I'm gonna tell you what I'm gonna tell you because I know you guys know I don't bull**** anyone for any reason. Here goes, happened today.

      We got a call from an offliner. He wanted to hire us to build a client's website and told us he doesn't have a clue about how to do it. OK, no prob, we'll do it for you. As we are asking him questions like, what does your client want on his site, what's its purpose, you know stuff that anyone would get out of the gate, he says, I don't know, I didn't think to ask.

      Wait a minute, you don't have a clue what your client wants but he hired you to build him a website??? Yep, can you do it?

      What the hell do you ask clients? If they want a website. Didn't know I was supposed to ask anything else.

      Is this your first client? No.

      Why are you using us? Heard you do good work.

      So it went. Here is a guy who gets on the phone doesn't know what to ask and still gets checks. I don't think durham, kanigan, me, kenmichaels, jace or any other knowledge base needs to be here anymore. We have been made redundant.

      He doesn't even know what to ask for and gets checks. I'm still shaking my head. I almost asked if he wanted to buy some life insurance.

      I guess the moral of the story is: GET OFF YOUR DEAD ASS AND ASK FOR THE ORDER... The offline world is a beautiful place to be.

      Just my 2¢...

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      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        Originally Posted by sandalwood View Post

        So it went. Here is a guy who gets on the phone doesn't know what to ask and still gets checks. I don't think durham, kanigan, me, kenmichaels, jace or any other knowledge base needs to be here anymore. We have been made redundant.

        He doesn't even know what to ask for and gets checks. I'm still shaking my head. I almost asked if he wanted to buy some life insurance.

        I guess the moral of the story is: GET OFF YOUR DEAD ASS AND ASK FOR THE ORDER... The offline world is a beautiful place to be.

        Just my 2¢...

        Tom
        See... told ya... LOL. A monkey with a note in his mouth who manages
        to get in front of the right people can sell this stuff... LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Thanks John. I think this is the reply to my PMs.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      @Reardon,

      I , much like several others here who get alot of PM's , I dont really check them every day, there is a reason- because there are always 200 and by the time you knock 20 down they are back to 200 again.

      But here's the real reason:

      Because many of the questions we answer in PM's are answered over and over and over... and we find that its more efficient to answer in threads because most people have similar questions, and the answer to your question could benefit the entire forum.

      So I apologize but I cant afford to live in my PM box yet...lol So I have just allowed myself a policy of checking it every now and then, and doing most of my answering in threads.

      It just makes more sense when you get a lot of the same type questions all the time.


      Much love Brother, sorry about missing your PMs. Now if you want to offer me 100k deal or something...lol PM me nd say JOHN YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST check you Pms, but seriously I could PM all day long if I answered all of them, ande no one can afford that, many of them are miles looong with 20 specific question. Some people pms take 20 minutes to an hour to thoroughly answer.

      -JD

      Ps. Matt Laclear, the top service provider on this forum, admittedly deletes all of his pms daily and doesnt even read them... there comes a point when you cant do all day, and you feel unfair answering some and not otherzs...Im coming quickly to the place where Matt is in that regard.

      Edit: Now if 200 people per month want to buy a report from me, then I can afford to devote all my energy to this, but that aint happenin. I had a conversation with another Warrior last night who says he counseled a newby on the phone for four hours straight... for free, and we were basically confirming to each other, that its not really possible to keep that up...

      We really WANT to do that, but the forum is the most efficient way to help the most people most efficiently,.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    John thank you for posting that about Matt Laclear. I was on the fence about buying a couple of SEO gigs from him but just because you dropped his name all that weight is off my shoulders now.

    One thing I know for sure is when JD vouches for someone, thats a person I want to do business with. =]

    I should also note I am lmao about your 200 pms a day! I had NO IDEA how horrible that really is till I logged in today and saw 24 pms in my inbox. Do you know I've already wasted 2 hours answering those pms and I still have like 6 left?

    I have NO IDEA how you do it John. Patience isn't the word.

    You are a great man, and thanks for another incredible thread!

    -Rob
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    No hard feelings whatsoever. You have to make a buck, too.

    I can respect that -- I've helped people out regarding insurance sales questions and actually give my phone number to chat versus PM. Conversation ends up being like 65 minutes on average, and I get 2 or so phone calls like that a week. All for free, too. They are appreciative, though. But appreciative doesn't pay the bills!

    Regardless, thanks for this post.
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  • Thanks for the post John!!! The timing was impeccable as I have been thinking about this for a while.

    Sandalwood, I love your post. I have been in sales quite a while. I hate to admit it, but there are times I was the nimrod sales guy in your story. I got sales in spite of myself. What's the saying, 80% of life is just showing up. I showed up at their business and got a sale or at least a lead.

    Along those lines, I am tired of trying to build mobile sites and manage SMS campaigns, etc... I just want to sell. So, if there are any Warriors looking for a sales guy for any of your offline/mobile services please PM me. FYI, I recently took a look at Likes Local, it's Adzzoo restructured (yes, I hate to admit I actually talked to them). I like there MO because they offer SEO, web development, social media, and mobile for a monthly subscription. But, just like the old Adzzoo, they over charge and under deliver in my opinion. My point is, they still get lots of sales!!! They show up. So like John says, just do it.

    Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by mobilemarketer2012 View Post

      Thanks for the post John!!! The timing was impeccable as I have been thinking about this for a while.

      Sandalwood, I love your post. I have been in sales quite a while. I hate to admit it, but there are times I was the nimrod sales guy in your story. I got sales in spite of myself. What's the saying, 80% of life is just showing up. I showed up at their business and got a sale or at least a lead.

      Along those lines, I am tired of trying to build mobile sites and manage SMS campaigns, etc... I just want to sell. So, if there are any Warriors looking for a sales guy for any of your offline/mobile services please PM me. FYI, I recently took a look at Likes Local, it's Adzzoo restructured (yes, I hate to admit I actually talked to them). I like there MO because they offer SEO, web development, social media, and mobile for a monthly subscription. But, just like the old Adzzoo, they over charge and under deliver in my opinion. My point is, they still get lots of sales!!! They show up. So like John says, just do it.

      Thanks.
      Mobile marketer, I have said this alot, but you may not have heard it;

      Back when I started selling websites I was reading off a page that talked about how the url was submitted to Yahoo, and lyco's and hot bot, and excite and all the "major" search engines...

      I didnt have a computer at home, had never been on the internet, and had no idea what a hot bot or url was- just read the script and rebuttals and made sales, as you say-in spite of myself.

      When your family needs a paycheck its amazing what you can do.

      -John

      Ps. In fact looking back on that time is soo special to me, that its the reason I still use Yahoo today for email; because seeing the logo takes me back to that excitement of discovery, and keeps in my subconscious memory where I came from! Very exciting time, learning to do this, and a very EMPOWERING time.
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      • Profile picture of the author blueonblue
        Jon, thank you for this incredible post. I had never looked at the off line forum before because I had had a bad experience with offline, but I was doing a search for brokering services and an ad came up for a warrior who was selling newsletter services for business.

        He said forget article writing, vworker, elance, fiverr, etc. He told me that the true no BS was here in offline. OMG I never knew how big it was will be up all night reading this.

        Some things on here are a little different, maybe even a little conflicting with another post you did in 2010, may just be to changing conditions. Will compare the two, make notes and then PM you as I have some questions. Once again, thanks for the boat loads of HONEST information.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by blueonblue View Post

          Jon, thank you for this incredible post. I had never looked at the off line forum before because I had had a bad experience with offline, but I was doing a search for brokering services and an ad came up for a warrior who was selling newsletter services for business.

          He said forget article writing, vworker, elance, fiverr, etc. He told me that the true no BS was here in offline. OMG I never knew how big it was will be up all night reading this.

          Some things on here are a little different, maybe even a little conflicting with another post you did in 2010, may just be to changing conditions. Will compare the two, make notes and then PM you as I have some questions. Once again, thanks for the boat loads of HONEST information.
          Welcome to the offline family my friend. Its our own world in here, sometimes it gets a bit heated at times but the concentrated truth in this subforum is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

          Thing is that we get heated about who's way is best, but MOST of the stuff in here does work like a clock, so all that is apples and oranges.

          Per capita more people make thier first money in here than anywhere else on the forum, or in the forum world period as far as I have seen...

          We arent as protective of our markets as much here because if a guy from the other side of the country gets ahold of your local marketing plan in the offline game it doesnt really hurt you.

          One reason the stuff in here tends to be more honest than alot of other places, is because we arent all competiting for the same keywords...even when we are in the same industry, so we share more freely.
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          • Profile picture of the author StevenDelong
            John,

            Once again thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge and since there are a lot of new warriors trying to find themselves and what works for them, you given them and myself a better perspective!

            Thanks for keeping it real.

            Steven
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            • Profile picture of the author trieuphu
              Where can I find more training material and books for offline marketing?I'm interested in website creation,seo,social media marketing,and mobile marketing.This guy offered me training material for $600 with no coaching but I don't have that kind of money right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author momakmak
    Let me tell you guys something. I would like to say that I am an SEO expert but I would be lying. What I can tell you is that I am getting damn good at outsourcing and finding people who can do great things for DIRT CHEAP. All thanks to the WF.

    On the other side of things if I did not try to make my .32 cents a month (actually made .49 today, so take that!!) I would not have realized what I CAN DO.

    The offline ideas poured into my head before I even found this sub forum. Reading this sub forum is reassuring me hard core that I can succeed big time with helping offline businesses and they will pay me way more on a monthly business than I ever could doing long tail keyword niche site building. And to imagine I was just about to go on an adventure building over 100 websites for about 30 dollars a month (not even guaranteed) and now I can build only 10 websites and I know I can make over 3000$ recurring a month.

    I got a meeting this week with an owner of an upscale restaurant who is also connected with a chain of over 60 more restaurants. If I can impress this one guy (im pretty sure I will after researching his serps) than I can have the start of a great future.

    Thanks WF and everyone who contributes.
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    • Profile picture of the author blueonblue
      asweok john you wanted me to post here instead of a pm to help others, but I think it is also because you are getting way too many of these.

      To start;

      !)Templates Available to Build Easy Websites | Homestead

      Is this better than hostgator for website building?

      2)Can you figure out what keywords are obvious that your customer would want to rank for and place them in a predesigned template that says "put your keywords here" and automatically be meta tagged... YES YOU can. Alll you need is a dummy program (what is a dummy program)?

      3)
      Get on the phone and ask some people if they need a website... the good ole fashion way thats worked for 15 years. Simple. Set an appointment to go talk to them.

      I teach alot of techniques for that... but a few hours on the phone you could easily get in your groove and figure it out without buying any report.


      I tried this a few years ago, the mistake I made was calling on local businesses two towns over in person instead of on the phone. I got more rejections than a hooker at a eunich convention.. I also tried selling facebook pages to website owners who didn't have one. The WSO I bought suggested making movies and then emailing it to the business owner and then following up. When I did most of them said the same thing...If it was good enough, my web designer would have. thought of it already.


      4) I am putting out a free audio tonight on how to set 3-4 appointments in 2 hours per day. Did you ever come out with this?

      5)

      Hey Im a local webdesigner, just moved to the area, and Im callin around trying to drum up some business...wonderin if you folks had a website or had maybe considered doing one for your business...

      Then some would say... Well I have been thinking about it but its on the back burner... I aint got 2k to spare right now

      Me: Well you dont need 2k , all you really need is an about us, home, contact us, and services page... I could have that running for you in 72 hours... you only need a couple of hundred dollars to geet started...
      Customer: Well...
      Me: Tell you what, I'll be out in your area on thursday...is there a good time to stop by and talk...

      Then... when you get to the appointment, offer them a deal thats impossible to say no to.

      Is there some type of script around here that I could look at?


      6) A: You need a Service to Offer

      Example: There are a ton of guys offering SEO services in the WSO section Warriors for hire...

      You can easily pick up their sales material and learn their product and start selling it weither on commission or a mark up.

      On the Warrior forum, we are all marketers, so here you can get the best deals and cheapest prices for the best work, because the service providers here understand that you are in business, and that you have margins.

      If you want to sell , they will do their best to accommodate you because its free sales for them, and you can mark the services up sky high if you want.

      Another example: David Stewart will build you a website for $300 that you could sell for 2-3 THOUSAND. He is one of many designers who will do that here, only some will do it even cheaper. I have seen it for $98 bucks for an optimized five page WP site.

      So in short, you will want to decide what you sell.

      B: You will need to choose a strategy.

      I prefer telemarketing for the quickest results to get some sales volume going, but there are other strategies as well. You need to choose a strategy that fits your skills set, for getting the message out to potential customers.

      C: You will have to have a pitch or a web page, or an email, or post card or all of the above that is compelling and makes the prospects you reach through yopur marketing strategy to WANT TO BUY.

      So he goes to Matt laclear and says “Hey could you use some more customers? I need a service to offer and I would be glad to act as a broker for your service if you can send me some materials to study and give me some prices... even sales pages. (How do I find Matt Laclear? and if not, would I find others in the JV section or classified section?)

      Matt says “sure” and sends him links to all his prmo material... even helping him with references and testimonials...


      Im sorry but I work all day...right now 11-8 daily (until this hopefully takes off) so since I don't have the time right to call that much was wondering about email contacting and instead of hitting people over the head at first I was thinking of doing the Matt Laclear kind of strategy (don't need a website or profile right away) with people who have UGLY sites that need to be updated, at least your already preaching to the converted instead of starting from scratch.

      So what do you think? The stuff in black is you and the brown is original. Going to bed now and will look at more stuff here in the morning otherwise won't get to bed at all and will never get up for work in the morning-though one day I hope this will finally CHANGE that for me and my special little person.

      Thanks and god bless.
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  • Profile picture of the author shelleyluzaich
    This is what Gary Halbert referred to as a Starving Crowd. There are businesses all over just waiting for us to show up. Call them, send them direct mail, shoot them an email - try something. See what works. Change it up if it doesn't. Check back here when you need some direction. Many wonderful peeps here to help you succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Okay lemme answer this, and you are correct Bluonblue! lol Can you imagine what getting emails like this on all day long is like? lol

    On the forum it does save us from repeating ourselves alot.

    1: Yes Homestead is a good one, honestly not better than word press and I believe thats what hostgator offers with your hosting (free templates...), however there may be a longer learning curve with WP.

    My true advice though is "outsource", and focus on sales. A great offline mind thinks like a contractor.


    2: Homestead or any beginners drag and drop program is what I mean by "dummy program", they just have fields that you put your keywords in...any dummy could do it once they mess with the program for a couple of hours and find their way around, even from being a complete newby who has never touched a design program.

    3: I dont understand the question clearly, but yeah it will help if you set the appointment first by phone, and I would NEVER do any significant work before establishing interest and at least some payment on the average gig.

    Thats doing it backward to me,

    I dont see how a person could justify all that wheel spinning when they could just pick up a phone and find an interested prospect instead.

    4:Yes , you can get the whole process that goes along with that script here for free: http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...rting-now.html

    5: No I dont think I ever got around to that specific audio unfortunately, I think I got stuck on that thread that evening and it got late...and I put it off...

    I have put out alot of audios though if you search for "Audio Post" on the WF, choose advanced search options and focus your search in the offline Marketing section of the WF. You should find some, almost anyone of them will help you set appointments better.

    6: This is not an affiliate link nor am I connected to any commission any way on this post but here's where you can find Matt:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warriors...-rankings.html

    Just ask him right on the thread if you can see his affiliate program or promote his service. As for others , you can find them in Warriors for hire, or Classified, or the WSO section just look up web design services or ____services (whatever you want).

    Glad to answer and hope this helps, come back if you need anything.

    -JD

    OH!

    7: Offline marketing can definately change things for you and your loved ones! There is no such thing as a higher paying job, unless you can make a million dollars per year at a job! The potential is virtually limitless.

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  • Profile picture of the author blueonblue
    Im sorry john, but I have another question in the learning process. Just woke up and about to say prayers. So I probably won't get to anything till tonight, that is why I love email.

    You didn't answer one thing--what about contacting business through the web. I found this..



    where one warrior talks about linkedin to get started. I haven't seen her in the forum yet so Im thinking it might not be worthwhile.

    I have found many local people who have either ugly or websites that could be better. That is why I would love to do that first,to get started so to speak and get experience under my feet. Now I saw the report from the warrior who only had like an hour or so a day to work, exactly my situation in the am so that is why Im asking, for the small business, is it better to approach them by email or phone? Since they already have a website, it is preaching to the converted and if I point them in the direction that the other plumbers are doing with their website I think it might help. This might be a way for me to get started faster than cold calling.

    Also, the only thing I am concerned about is seo/getting them ranking, exposure google place or whateve it is these days. Im not sure how to do that. I really can't afford someone in the classifieds right now to do SEO does homestead cover that.

    The reason I did the cold calling in person was because the worlds biggest Ebay guru (JC) said that was the way to do it. However his forum was not as extensive or as good as this one.

    Thanks I will listen to these audios over the tonight then hopefully get started in the morning. Even if I dial from 9-10 worth it. Though that is so much why I love email. Can get more \done although I imagine the open rates may be horrible.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Williamson
    Offline is a way to within days CREATE a job, instead of FIND one, for yourself
    Love this! Never really sat back and thought of it that way, but that is so true.

    Great stuff as usual, sir.
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  • Profile picture of the author blueonblue
    What do I do when I finally get that first client and I have the appointement. What do I say to them so I don't come off looking stupid. What do you do when you first start and don't have a portfolio to show them?
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by blueonblue View Post

      What do I do when I finally get that first client and I have the appointement. What do I say to them so I don't come off looking stupid. What do you do when you first start and don't have a portfolio to show them?

      Blueonblue,

      This particular question above is answered thoroughly in the free report I just gave you.

      On another note, email and linkedin are all good ways to "supplement" your efforts in offline.

      Thats another story...

      This thread is not intended to be about the details of the specific methods...there are specific threads for that,. If you want to pull up some threads with related questions I will gladly answer them in those threads

      I have a feeling you know most of these answers , and just need to dig a little deeper, because you have been very resourceful about pulling up links.... It would be appropriate to ask specific questions like this in the specific threads that you are pulling up...

      This thread is about why offline is good for newbys, not about the specific methods or which is best....

      Hope I have been helpful.

      -JD
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    @ Blue

    Its all good, I do it too sometimes, then I realize it.... You are excited.

    I dont have an agenda with this thread so its not a territorial thing, just want to keep it tight and on point for the readers. (The intention is more to confirm their faith than to analyze and dissect methods... because truly being in here is a good first choice for entering the IM field)

    To get on track I will say this:

    I believe with all of my heart that if a person wants a real opportunity to create a job fior themselves that offline is the most excellent one out there with the shortest learning curve, and the proof is all over the forum.

    We have proven time and time again in here that a person from almost any back ground or experience level can get their start here and make more money faster than with just about any other opportunity on the forum!

    You can literally do it without a dime in your pocket, and make 100k your first year!

    You want to be "THAT" guy! And this is where ALOT of those guys hang out! The guys that werent techs, just people with dreams and determination and nothing else who wanted to succeed and to be a part of the new online frontier. I was one of them, and Im still not a tech, but Im an important part of the new frontier by helping business owbners get online, and it feels awesome!

    So to you Blueonblue and any other newby who reads this I just want to confirm to you that this is an excellent area of the forum to be if you want to make money fast and create a job for yourself, instead of workin for the man!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
    The offline forum being added after some time and not and inital forum on the warrior froum may have developed into the leading forum online that creats true knowleged leading to independant business owners. The constant flow of students and credible teachers is parrelle to none. Earn your way arouind this forum and you will not remain where you are. You WILL grow.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Michael Bucker View Post

      The offline forum being added after some time and not and inital forum on the warrior froum may have developed into the leading forum online that creats true knowleged leading to independant business owners.

      @ Michael,

      I believe this.

      @ Mr,"B"

      Yup. There my be needles in the haystack of bells and whistles in other areas of IM, but in the offline forum its more like a stack of needles with a little hay in it. The information in here is generally solid, because its all about doing business the way it has been done successfully for thousands of years. No guesswork, just timeless principles that work like a clock no matter what the trend
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  • Profile picture of the author Bayo
    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

    ...when you know that you could pick up the phone and work for one week and make 10,000 times that much. ($3200).
    Great post JD and you've captured one of the main reasons why the simple seems to be complicated in the single sentence above.

    Everyone knows that what works is facing the fear of actually talking to business owners, taking the time to understand their needs, analyzing the impacts and inviting them to take action with your help...but most people (I don't have stats to back this up but from my own initial reluctance to do this when I first started and based on helping hundreds of others overcome the problem I know it's prevalent) would rather believe and buy into something that they've been told allows the magic to happen without having any interaction with real flesh and blood people.

    Total ******* - Doesn't happen and never will.

    Business owners have always and will always to continue to buy from those they KNOW they LIKE and TRUST BUYING FROM (Not just trust - I trust Joe the local school high-school kid that serves me at the local McDonalds, but would never buy business development advice for my business from him).

    Bayo
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Case in point:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6644416

    This guy has been on here for almost a year now. Not poking fun, because he deserves his excitement, but this is why Offline is the fast track.

    When you see a person get their first sale in OFFLINE, its usually hundreds or thousands, and its usually within weeks of really applying what we teach, if not days.

    Plus it usually comes with residual income.

    I rest my case.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Martin
    I love this thread, and it is the reason why over the past 3 days or so I have made the conscious decision to switch over to offline marketing completely. It makes sense, and that truly is what's great about it.

    "Don't find a job, create one."
    -- LOVE IT.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
      There is enough knowledge in the room that I dare say you can ask how to start any business even non internet realted and there are enough warriors who have done it that are willing to help and have the tools to do so even if it is not internet related.

      So warriors don't be afraid to sat hey I always wanted to do ___ . I bet we can help you get it done, as a matter of fact I know we can!
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  • Profile picture of the author jaudet
    Great thread, great forum...

    In the last months, I tried several things online. I think I represent well the classic guy, that classic newbie that really want to make a second income and possibly a full income out of the internet to have a better quality of life, but without any success up to date. I tried selling ebay, adsense, amazon affiliate, promoting free cpa offers via my website, but the thing is unless you rank very well in google, you won't have any traffic and you won't get any money (3$ like the example given in 1 year is NOT what I called money). Congrats to him, but I am looking for much more than this.

    And then I found offline marketing. I did not start yet, because in the last days I've been busy reading lot of material, but offline marketing make lot of sense because in your area, everyone of us might be the only one contacting businesses to offer our services. Online, there is SO MUCH competition, it is ridiculous. This is why it takes lot of time and knowledge to be able to rank top 10 in google and HOPE to make money.

    I am not saying that online marketing is all bad. In fact, with online marketing, I was able to increase my skills a bit when it comes down to make a wp website. Without it, I wouldn't be able to promote my services to build a simple website for businesses.

    Thanks to John, I downloaded his free telemarketing report and it was a great start. Now I try to read as much as I can about offline marketing, how to promote, how to deal, how to close etc. I will build a plan and I am more confident that it will bring results quicker than online. I hope so, because recently it was very hard to not see any results from all these online efforts.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Did anyone catch my Case in point?:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6644416

    This guy has been on here for almost a year now. Not poking fun, because he deserves his excitement, but this is why Offline is the fast track.

    When you see a person get their first sale in OFFLINE, its usually hundreds or thousands, and its usually within weeks of really applying what we teach, if not days.

    Plus it usually comes with residual income.

    I rest my case.
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  • Profile picture of the author momakmak
    The big thing right now is long tail keywords for building niche sites. I have tried that for a few months and managed to make big leaps in it. Even though it was very little return for each site I built, it was really exciting to see a couple dollars come from almost nowhere. Its more like a hobby or game, not a business. Only a very few actually take it like a full blown business and have managed to make great incomes, but it still takes a lot of work to manage hundreds of sites.

    My advice for a true newb is to start with long tail keywords and keep doing it until you get it right, then step 2 is to come to the offline forum. It is a great area for learning and educating yourself how to handle bigger fish. Without the experience in mass niche site building I am sure I would not be as educated in SEO or online marketing. You learn just about everything you need too. Come to WF to study the material then you go build your sites, similar to lab in college. The education you get here will definitely not put you in debt like a university would and you learn immediately, first hand how to make money.

    What turned me off of the mass niche site building approach to making money online was the shear amount of competition. Using keyword and competition analysis software you can just see how people have hoarded the internet with the intent of some adsense money. Whats worse is that it is exponentially getting harder to find these online niches because these guys who are making $10 a month are all of the sudden more motivated than ever to expand their niche empire 10 times over. Get my point?

    Offline/online marketing for local businesses is the best since you nearly have a large amount of niche businesses that have no idea what to do online to help advertise their businesses. I thought it would be more saturated than it is but I am glad I was wrong.

    There are still those local businesses that are hard to handle like lawyers, doctors, real estate etc. But they are just a drop in the bucket.
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    • Profile picture of the author blueonblue
      Hi John, thanks for this forum and all the advise. Sent you a pm with a question. Know you are busy. Get back to me when you can. Thanks.

      Blue
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Zaydman
    Offline is the fast track! Otherwise if you don't have really good skills you won't make one penny.
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  • Profile picture of the author savo
    Im ready to start ringing up clients, ive got the info and now all i have to do is do it. Enough talking about it and just do it. Whats the worst the could happen.
    I will be back soon with a happy testimoney.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by savo View Post

      Im ready to start ringing up clients, ive got the info and now all i have to do is do it. Enough talking about it and just do it. Whats the worst the could happen.
      I will be back soon with a happy testimoney.
      Rock On Savo!

      Dont make excuses like a telemarketer I recently hired has been doing all week!

      Gosh, sometimes I think I should just go back to starting an office where I can actually see people working.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    Bump:

    Reason 1, this is a really good thread.

    Reason 2, i am sick of adrians thread sitting at the top.

    If people READ this thread they can make some money.


    For you guys who are on to him, just bump a bunch of good threads...
    literally knock him off the front page.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      Bump:

      Reason 1, this is a really good thread.

      Reason 2, i am sick of adrians thread sitting at the top.

      If people READ this thread they can make some money.


      For you guys who are on to him, just bump a bunch of good threads...
      literally knock him off the front page.
      Its just that we love fiction so much Ken... its entertaining. But you are right. I'd better go mind my own forum I guess... I have come to the offline section lately more for entertainment than anything else. I USE to think I helped people...And still think so, but they are looking for different answers right now for the most part... You can only tell the truth so many different ways.
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      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Its just that we love fiction so much Ken... its entertaining. But you are right. I'd better go mind my own forum I guess... I have come to the offline section lately more for entertainment than anything else. I USE to think I helped people...And still think so, but they are looking for different answers right now for the most part... You can only tell the truth so many different ways.
        yeah man i hear you.

        What kills me is the lack of focus on what is real. Some people are so desperate,
        they will listen to anything. ...

        Anything that is , that will keep them from doing the things that they need to do
        to be successful.

        Maybe ill join you over there. I am rather pissed off at myself today.
        I was distracted , and NOT on my game. I only had three sales today.

        I could probably use a bitch slap of reality.
        One that can only be dished out by other sales people.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Me too Ken, I have been jerking around waiting for my new telemarketer to quit making excuses and get on the phone everyday this week, first it was friday wasnt a good day to start, then monday it was a sprained wrist, then tuesday the pain killers were too strong, better wait till wednesday, then wednesday she couldnt print out the leads, so half the day's blown, better start thursday...., then thursday I dont know what the heck happened but I just told her "Dont work or tell me you are going to anymore until you are all healed and you can tell me there is no reason not to be here 100%"

          All week long I should have been making the calls myself. So I need a kick in the ass myself. I could have made ten grand for the time I spent jerking around counting on someone else who gave me signs the first day that I was going to be getting jerked around all week. Tomorrow I hit the phones personally till I can get a couple of good people. I knew better of course, but gave myself permission to listen to excuses because it excused "me", from saying "I just need to get on and do this myself this week".

          Note: In the morning I could easily wake up and say "Its best not to set leads 3 days out so I might as well wait till monday".... NO! NO! NO! Thats NOT the ticket.

          The ticket is to get up and move like a freight train no matter what perceived obstacle. That is the only thing that has ever made me a million dollars and its the only thing that ever will.

          Excuses are for people who dont have any sales at the end of the week, which I did manage a couple, but still...not reaching the potential or objective.
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          • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

            Me too Ken, I have been jerking around waiting for my new telemarketer to quit making excuses and get on the phone everyday this week, first it was friday wasnt a good day to start, then monday it was a sprained wrist, then tuesday the pain killers were too strong, better wait till wednesday, then wednesday she couldnt print out the leads, so half the day's blown, better start thursday...., then thursday I dont know what the heck happened but I just told her "Dont work or tell me you are going to anymore until you are all healed and you can tell me there is no reason not to be here 100%"

            All week long I should have been making the calls myself. So I need a kick in the ass myself. I could have made ten grand for the time I spent jerking around counting on someone else who gave me signs the first day that I was going to be getting jerked around all week. Tomorrow I hit the phones personally till I can get a couple of good people. I knew better of course, but gave myself permission to listen to excuses because it excused "me", from saying "I just need to get on and do this myself this week".

            Note: In the morning I could easily wake up and say "Its best not to set leads 3 days out so I might as well wait till monday".... NO! NO! NO! Thats NOT the ticket.

            The ticket is to get up and move like a freight train no matter what perceived obstacle. That is the only thing that has ever made me a million dollars and its the only thing that ever will.

            Excuses are for people who dont have any sales at the end of the week, which I did manage a couple, but still...not reaching the potential or objective. The objective is not 3 grand , the objective is 10 grand per week (currently) that will increase.
            So... it is now clear, that you need the same advice you have been giving since i met you.

            ..... with all due respect bro.

            Quit your bitching, and start dialing.

            VA's suck, it took us THREE years to find and train THREE... acceptable

            ( not good, not great ...just acceptable )

            Inhouse RULES. (except for the phone bill, rent , and taxes )


            edit-
            once again.. you edited your post.. as i was typing.. so what i said, doesn't really make sense now

            So... personally, if i needed 10k a wk. I would pitch every pitch at 10k.

            pretty much guaranteed to hit the mark then.

            that is just me though
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            • Profile picture of the author John Durham
              Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

              So... it is now clear, that you need the same advice you have been giving since i met you.

              ..... with all due respect bro.

              Quit your bitching, and start dialing.

              VA's suck, it took us THREE years to find and train THREE... acceptable

              ( not good, not great ...just acceptable )

              Inhouse RULES. (except for the phone bill, rent , and taxes )
              Well currently I do yes, but I do not discount many years of success and training thousands of telemarketers so my teaching is still hard earned, but yes. I need to get up and kick myself in the ass tomorrow.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    HA.. for once i changed my post on YOU

    look below the edit.
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      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Yeah I reconsidered the implications. But yes.

        Im not above needing a kick in the ass myself from time to time. Just starting over my offline business with a new model, and I need to get it in gear.

        nahhh, i don't think you really need a kick.. ever.

        IMHO, you need self motivation. period.

        your are one of those that actually control there own destiny,

        and you know it.

        It is possible, for the moment you are busy ... thinking of others.

        if that is true ( and i can be way off ), you may just need to put others
        on pause for a hot moment, and take care of you and yours.

        I retired, got convinced to come back. I was pretty excited to come back
        but i made excuse after excuse not to get back on the phone.

        I wound up being called out by an employee... at first i was like HOW DARE HE
        then i was like " he doesn't have any idea.. F him "

        then, after a few days i got so pissed off, i just did it.

        and it felt o so frigging awesome.. .it must be how crack heads feel....


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        Do not forget who you are.

        Edit 2 ---

        Dude, this was my 1000 post.... i had thoughts of what to do with it.. we even discussed it.

        instead, i used it, trying to make one of my idols understand how awesome he truly
        is, and remind him of how many people look upto him.

        i could not have designed it any better bro.

        I am truly honored.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      HA.. for once i changed my post on YOU

      look below the edit.
      Yeah I reconsidered the implications. But yes.

      Im not above needing a kick in the ass myself from time to time. Just starting over my offline business with a new model, and I need to get it in gear.

      Highly frustrated with myself today and not happy about my performance this week.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

    nahhh, i don't think you really need a kick.. ever.

    IMHO, you need self motivation. period.

    your are one of those that actually control there own destiny,

    and you know it.

    It is possible, for the moment you are busy ... thinking of others.

    if that is true ( and i can be way off ), you may just need to put others
    on pause for a hot moment, and take car of you and yours.

    I retired, got convinced to come back. I was pretty excited to come back
    but i made excuse after excuse not to get back on the phone.

    I wound up being called out by an employee... at first i was like HOW DARE HE
    then i was like " he doesn't have any idea.. F him "

    then, after a few days i got so pissed off, i just did it.
    You are not way off, you are spot on.

    Alright, now we are onto something , Im just gonna embrace it and go with it...

    Ken, after a couple of years off the sales floor, I got into doing liquidation deals a few years ago... then after coming off a BIG loss on a deal that I had put all my eggs in for months... I decided to start my offline marketing business again.

    I got a handful of sales, and got on the WF and talked about them, then people started asking me to write reports!

    Okay, if you know me and my love for being on a sales floor as a top trainer...that REALLY excited me.

    Next thing I know people are sending me thousands of dollars to write reports and what happens to my offline business...?

    You got it, back burner.

    I will be honest with you 100k is SHIT compared to what I can make, but for the last couple of years I have been happy at about six figures... doing a small deal here and there and mostly training people here and at my forum.

    Well recently I have gotten sick of seeing my students take my teaching and make twice what Im making with it. lol

    So I decided to start Vicom.

    Then I ended up in court over a divorce and custody battles...and my ninety day goals went to SHIT- excuse the language but Im frustrated today.

    So being a person who has done this before and made well over 7 figures I think to myself when starting Vicom "Oh Im all inspired..." that works, and yes you can change anything in 90 days...

    As a matter of fact, in less than ninety days I became the top telemarketing authority HERE, and making a fulltime income at it starting from ZERO... you can do ANYTHING you want.

    But everytime I have ever really gotten successful was when I got totally sick of mediocrity, and thats where Im at now. The frustration you see me expressing is FUEL.

    6 figures does not cut it... It was cool to be a teacher, but its not the highest pay. Im ready to rock my offline business again.

    If anybody hates me for this post. Go for it.

    In a sense I think I may be almost intentionally sabotaging myself from teaching right now (with this post)... because I really have to go back to thinking about my personal prosperity for awhile, although it has been great helping others.

    I have been ready to change directions for months now really, just got stuck in that catch 22 where "Now you make a living as a teacher, so you cant stop teaching long enough to do your other work..."... but tomorrow Im breaking that chain.

    Im going to teach my own telemarketers again, there is enough great work and teachers here on WF for people to learn from.

    I can tell you all this after this experience.

    You dont get a higher reputation on the WF than I have achieved at times here... but even at its highest ONLINE MONEY ISNT NEAR WHAT OFFLINE MONEY IS!
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    • Profile picture of the author Rearden
      Maybe off point a little...

      "Bad things happen to good people."

      "It's not how many times you fail, it's how many times you pick yourself back up."

      I watched my father devote 100 hours travelling nationally for 20 years, selling out to a Fortune 100 company and making multi-millions, retiring to Florida at 49.

      Gave his life away for a dream and achieved wild success. Invested half in the stock market and half in Florida real estate before the crash.

      Recovered his stock market investment, but ended up in divorce with his crazy wife; ex sabatauged (sp) the children and one won't speak to him. Lost half of what he had left post-divorce... sold his dream home for a pittance in Florida.

      Don't get me wrong... he's still doing well. Doesn't really have to work any more if he lives lean.

      But imagine having 75% of what you worked for for over 2 decades, gone within 3 years...

      (Iamnameless... words of wisdom -- don't get married without a pre-nup, LOL).

      Bottom line, if we can weigh out the entirety of someone's life, which is next to impossible due to the Internet naturally being a reality-vacuum, everyone struggles hard, REAL hard at times.

      It's how we manage to pick ourselves up and press forward that makes us men.


      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      You are not way off, you are spot on.

      Alright, now we are onto something , Im just gonna embrace it and go with it...

      Ken, after a couple of years off the sales floor, I got into doing liquidation deals a few years ago... then after coming off a BIG loss on a deal that I had put all my eggs in for months... I decided to start my offline marketing business again.

      I got a handful of sales, and got on the WF and talked about them, then people started asking me to write reports!

      Okay, if you know me and my love for being on a sales floor as a top trainer...that REALLY excited me.

      Next thing I know people are sending me thousands of dollars to write reports and what happens to my offline business...?

      You got it, back burner.

      I will be honest with you 100k is SHIT compared to what I can make, but for the last couple of years I have been happy at about six figures... doing a small deal here and there and mostly training people here and at my forum.

      Well recently I have gotten sick of seeing my students take my teaching and make twice what Im making with it. lol

      So I decided to start Vicom.

      Then I ended up in court over a divorce and custody battles...and my ninety day goals went to SHIT- excuse the language but Im frustrated today.

      So being a person who has done this before and made well over 7 figures I think to myself when starting Vicom "Oh Im all inspired..." that works, and yes you can change anything in 90 days...

      As a matter of fact, in less than ninety days I became the top telemarketing authority HERE, and making a fulltime income at it starting from ZERO... you can do ANYTHING you want.

      But everytime I have ever really gotten successful was when I got totally sick of mediocrity, and thats where Im at now. The frustration you see me expressing is FUEL.

      6 figures does not cut it... It was cool to be a teacher, but its not the highest pay. Im ready to rock my offline business again.

      If anybody hates me for this post. Go for it.

      In a sense I think I may be almost intentionally sabotaging myself from teaching right now (with this post)... because I really have to go back to thinking about my personal prosperity for awhile, although it has been great helping others.

      I have been ready to change directions for months now really, just got stuck in that catch 22 where "Now you make a living as a teacher, so you cant stop teaching long enough to do your other work..."... but tomorrow Im breaking that chain.

      Im going to teach my own telemarketers again, there is enough great work and teachers here on WF for people to learn from.

      I can tell you all this after this experience.

      You dont get a higher reputation on the WF than I have achieved at times here... but even at its highest ONLINE MONEY ISNT NEAR WHAT OFFLINE MONEY IS!
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      • Profile picture of the author ShayB
        Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

        It's how we manage to pick ourselves up and press forward that makes us men.
        And women.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    adapt or die.

    also ... "F" reports. one phone call can equal the same amount of money.

    we both know i am not even saying something you don't already know.

    Jason kanaji is here on WF now, he is a born teacher ... let him teach.
    that now frees you up to make 100 mill... or more
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      adapt or die.

      also ... "F" reports. one phone call can equal the same amount of money.

      we both know i am not even say something you don';t know.

      Jason kanaji is here now.. let him teach.

      you are now free to make a 100 mill.
      Hell Yeah!

      How liberating. I love all of you guys and this has been awesome, but Im onto following my own teaching for awhile.

      Love ya ken!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Ps. Probably the most offensive thing I think I said in that post was "100k is SHIT"

    The reason that could be offensive is that some people could be from countries where its actually alot...

    But before I go I want to say to those other people in those other countries.

    "If you have a phone then 100k is doable for you-and more"

    Dont let that be your excuse. It took me twenty years to become a phone pro, and if you have to dig and scratch a little Boo hoo- We all do. Just do it!

    Edit: Ken you have a higher purpose than just to help ME, but I have to tell you, at this level you are the only one who COULD. So thanks.

    I probably listen to you more than any other offliner. Most people I think I could teach a thing or two- YOU?

    I think I could learn alot from.

    THAT was self indulgent. No apologies. lol

    Its not that others dont have something to say, its that we pick and choose who we actually LISTEN to. And you have my respect. I listen to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Its not that others dont have something to say, its that we pick and choose who we actually LISTEN to. And you have my respect. I listen to you.

      Ditto bro ... Ditto
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

        Ditto bro ... Ditto
        Hey, on another note, you have heard of subconscious self sabotage?

        You ought to to try it CONSCIOUSLY! lol

        What a rush!
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        • Profile picture of the author LouisMartin
          Good motivation and post john! Love the way you explain it in detail.
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        • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          Hey, on another note, you have heard of subconscious self sabotage?

          You ought to to try it CONSCIOUSLY! lol

          What a rush!
          not sure how i missed that ...

          I think in your case, it would or should be called

          Self preservation.
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  • Profile picture of the author asc
    I have kicked around this forum in and out for a while...made small amounts of money (note..small!!) via affiliate marketing..I have never even entered this section of the forum to be honest. Eyes and ears very very open..just clicked the free offline report. So many questions and thoughts spinning a bit now, but will read the report first and hopefully get any questions answered. And if the method is what it seems to be so far, I have absolutely no qualms about getting on the phone to every company in my area!

    Reading with excited anticipation, many thanks for the info so far!!

    Alan
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  • Profile picture of the author Jim Hughes
    John, this is a great thread. There's a lot of people out there looking for something. -- whether it's to supplement their income, start a business, etc -- and they're not sure what to do. Next time I get that question from someone, I'll be able to point them to your thread!
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  • Profile picture of the author jayspann
    Offline marketing isn't fundamentally different from affiliate marketing. You're trying to generate sales for someone else's business. The difference is with offline the competition is MUCH less and the checks per sale are much bigger.
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  • Profile picture of the author Preeti
    Love this post John..just got chills thinking about where I was 2 years ago and where I am now...

    2 years ago I spent hours browsing WF while stuck in my corporate job, reading about others success in offline, yet didn't have the push to try it myself (doubts, fears, "is this for real?") and finally quit corporate early this year and forced myself to take my business seriously--within 3 weeks got my first 3 clients and haven't looked back since then..

    Anybody can do this..the dream, the lifestyle, the income, the opportunity to help business owners is within all of our reach..the only question is: will you make the decision and take the action?

    John, you're awesome..I don't need my afternoon coffee after reading this!
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Hmm...wow! John, thank you. You've helped renew my fire. And this time I'm doing it for my Dad, as I want to make him proud and he is watching...Question: Where do I grab that free telemarketing report mentioned in the thread?
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