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Unread 15th September 2012, 12:23 PM   #51
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Google could stop all of this nonsense with one quick move: make everything alphabetical or even better - random! No preferential treatment whatsoever... I am not saying, it would be better. But we wouldn't have system gaming.
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I have a hard time believing all scrapers violate the rules.
Look at the on in my sig... it gathers info that is already readilly availabe, just saves me the time of looking through each listing maunally.

To the person that made the Stupid Assumption that everyone is breaking rules, needs to get a reality check. Not everyone has to get ahead by breaking rules.

All Kung Fu was doing was trying to make more people aware.
There are people that prey on selling shady stuff to newbies.
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Of course "Buyer Beware" and everyone should do their due diligence prior to purchasing items as well as services. It's not a stupid assumption that everyone is breaking the rules. I'm saying a lot of people are breaking "the rules". The rules aren't laws, they are just rules.

I'll give you an example of how much scrapers are loved. Open up Mobile Renegade since it's in your sig (I use this program, great program by the way), scrape the first 20 pages of Yellow Pages USA for 20 different niches in 20 towns with your IP address. Before you get through that list and finish scraping Mobile Renegade will likely give you an error something like, "Your IP has been banned from Yellow Pages." I know because this happened to me. Now I use proxies which is a way of circumventing the ban from Yellow Pages. Is it ethical? To some it is, to some it isn't. Is it against Yellow Pages' rules? Probably. Is it illegal? As far as I know it's not.

Yellow Pages is a content aggregator, just like search engines and directories. They let you freely view their information, but they want you to see their ads and make money off of you as a visitor to their site. By using a scraper you're completely circumventing their monetization of their content. Do you think they are happy that you are using their bandwidth without even looking at their ads or any opportunities to sell you something?

Anyway like I mentioned these are arguments where everyone has different opinions and to me there is no right or wrong answer.
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I just saw an ad on Craigslist where a guy pays you $50 to use your address.

He says that Google will mail you a postcard. Just email us the PIN and we will pay you $50.

People are getting very bold and sneaky about this.
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Google is going to start requiring a valid business license soon. Watch and see. They well know all the sneaky little tactics people are using to break their Terms of Service.

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Funny you should say that, Russ I've already had clients contacted for this very purpose.

They were already verified and weeks went by before they were contacted out of the blue. They had to scan their business license and send it off to Google. We verified the request before following through, of course, and the other Google reps confirmed that the request was legit.



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I wonder why Google thinks providing a business license PROVES a business is legit?

There are many municipalities that do not even require a business license to do business.

In the ones that do, anyone can go in and the city/county will gladly take their money for it whether the business is real or not and the average cost of one is so low (under $100) the players will happily make that small investment.

Looks like to me that the business license requirement isn't something that will prove anything.

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biz license in Washington state is $15...
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Every state requires registration of any business so I don't know what rock you've lived under.

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I wonder why Google thinks providing a business license PROVES a business is legit?

There are many municipalities that do not even require a business license to do business.

In the ones that do, anyone can go in and the city/county will gladly take their money for it whether the business is real or not and the average cost of one is so low (under $100) the players will happily make that small investment.

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Every state requires registration of any business so I don't know what rock you've lived under.
I don't live under a rock, Russ but thanks for your concern about my living situation.

I guarantee you I can go out right now and get a license for as many businesses as I want in many different states as long as I have the money to pay for said licenses.

The fact is that a business license is not a guarantee that there is a legit business and no license does not mean that there is not a legit business as there are plenty of places that do not require one.

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First off, I want to say it's quite upsetting how some of the people in the forum get so belligerent and are complete a-holes to one another whenever they have a difference in opinion or methodology. Can't you just state your opinion and back it up with your research and experience? Do you really need to belittle, call names, insult and attack people? I hope I'm not the only one here who feels this way...

Back on topic... If Google required a business license it would still not be a fool proof way of stopping lead gen companies from doing business. How? Because XYZ lead gen company also has a business license, and can get a DBA in whatever name that site is in. It might weed out some amateurs, but it wouldn't weed out anyone making money. Not stating opinion on that, just the truth.

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Your avatar looks like you live under a rock bro.

You are right, however your perspective isn't the same as Google's for example. They have their own ideas about it regardless of what you or I say or think.



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I don't live under a rock, Russ but thanks for your concern about my living situation.

I guarantee you I can go out right now and get a license for as many businesses as I want in many different states as long as I have the money to pay for said licenses.

The fact is that a business license is not a guarantee that there is a legit business and no license does not mean that there is not a legit business as there are plenty of places that do not require one.

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I was only trolling theCG who has blurred his face out for whatever reason i don't know. He claims its because he's in the witness protection program. snicker snicker. = )

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First off, I want to say it's quite upsetting how some of the people in the forum get so belligerent and are complete a-holes to one another whenever they have a difference in opinion or methodology. Can't you just state your opinion and back it up with your research and experience? Do you really need to belittle, call names, insult and attack people? I hope I'm not the only one here who feels this way...

Back on topic... If Google required a business license it would still not be a fool proof way of stopping lead gen companies from doing business. How? Because XYZ lead gen company also has a business license, and can get a DBA in whatever name that site is in. It might weed out some amateurs, but it wouldn't weed out anyone making money. Not stating opinion on that, just the truth.

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Guess what happens when Google rings your clients up or even you up for that matter to ask you questions about your local plus page, your business etc. and you don't answer the phone?

You find that your local plus page is suspended pending review, you might even have to go through verification again!

Is that really fair? Nope its not really fair but hey that's Google's perspective on the matter and that's that.

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Guess what happens when Google rings your clients up or even you up for that matter to ask you questions about your local plus page, your business etc. and you don't answer the phone?

You find that your local plus page is suspended pending review, you might even have to go through verification again!

Is that really fair? Nope its not really fair but hey that's Google's perspective on the matter and that's that.
Unfortunately, they do exactly this. No guarantee you'll get rankings back if you get out of "suspended" limbo, either =\



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Unfortunately, they do exactly this. No guarantee you'll get rankings back if you get out of "suspended" limbo, either =
I have no doubt that Google does this and I am not defending bogus local pages.

My point was simply that if they want "proof" that a business is legit, a business license ain't it.

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I was only trolling theCG who has blurred his face out for whatever reason i don't know. He claims its because he's in the witness protection program. snicker snicker. = )
Anyone with an ex-wife ought to be in witness protection.

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I have no doubt that Google does this and I am not defending bogus local pages.

My point was simply that if they want "proof" that a business is legit, a business license ain't it.
I wasn't saying you are, mate

And I completely agree that it is a poor way of verifying businesses. I have run into cases where legit businesses were hurt by those tactics... really dumb.



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Guess what happens when Google rings your clients up or even you up for that matter to ask you questions about your local plus page, your business etc. and you don't answer the phone?

You find that your local plus page is suspended pending review, you might even have to go through verification again!

Is that really fair? Nope its not really fair but hey that's Google's perspective on the matter and that's that.

Interesting, I never knew this is what Google did, but I answered a call from them yesterday, (I thought it was a tele-marketer,) and they did ask me to verify everything. lol. I answered the questions correctly anyway!

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Lol good thing you answered correctly I've heard of them suddenly hanging up when the owner doesn't answer quickly enough and then the next thing you know.... the listing is gone. Talk about nightmare.



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TO KUNG FU BACKLINKS

I would like to chime in here a bit. I completely understand what you are saying as far as "fake" Google Listings, but you also need to understand 2 things

1). as long as people are "hiding" the listed address, it is not spam since people can receive a post card pin via their Home Address. Even if a business owner files a Fictitious business name, LLC, Incorporation and creates a listing at a registered and "leased" virtual office, that is legit and does NOT hurt a local business. It doesn't matter how many Virtual Offices they want to buy, just as long as the business name is real and has been registered with the county clerk or state so I honestly don't see where you are getting your information. Yes there is a lot of crap and spam in Google local but I understand why in my number 2 reason

2). Google doesnt give a rats ass or hoot about the local business owner. All they care about is their PPC and making their site look more and more Social to compete with Facebook and appeal to the consumer (searcher). If they didnt charge $20 or even sometimes $50 for a PPC click then maybe people wouldn't "spam" the local search. I am assuming you are a local business owner considering your "backlinks" in your user name, but you are NOT a local business owner / provider and directly serving on Google. You have to not be so biased in this regard and try to understand what people are trying to do. You can't blame the local business owner who is barely making ends meat because Google wants to change their algo every 15 minutes or charge $50 bucks a click. Ridiculous.

If someone registers a their business name with the County Clerk / State and wants a Virtual office that IS a REAL location there is absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be able to have a Local listing on Google. You gotta remember... its OK to put a FAKE address on Pay Per Click, but you CAN'T have one on Google Places. Seems pretty ridiculous if you ask me. Try not to be such a biased "FIGHTER of SPAM" and try to understand what people are doing here. Not every Virtual office is SPAM especially if a business owner is Paying for that office space. In my eyes now and days he is actually being smart instead of leasing for $1,000 a month, he gets to use a real office whenever he wants for only $100 a month.
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All I can say is. Yup, told you so. Basically as KungFu spells out happened to a medium sized Heating/Air company in Dallas area. This "so called guru" calls them up, says he can provide them with more hot leads and getting them from their competition will be like taking candy from a baby. Mr X the owner says "are you sure this is on up and up"? Sure the "guru" says.

Fast froward four months. So called "guru" is nowhere to be found and pocketed crap load of money...

Needless to say their main site dropped from front page (natural search) of the big G and only way to find it is type in their "exact" website URL. Not many people are going to do this when searching for a company. Mr X's companies adwords campaigns were also suspended until "further notice" and these campaigns brought them huge chunk of business from many surrounding cities..

Sadly this is happening more and more. Even sadder is no matter how much money you pay some other "guru" to repair the damage, will not do a bit of good. Big G is going to decide when you can get back in...

I know this story well. Mr X dropped my services because the "so called guru" told him he could run circles around me and would put me out of business within 6 months. LOL.

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A month or so ago, someone local where I am, ran ads in Craigslist for people to use there address for Google Plus local verification and he will pay them $50.

He actually spelled what its for and that since the address will be hidden no one will coming around thinking its the business's address.

I report fake listings and reviews when I come across them.
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Well said Patrick We at SSA don't support unethical or fake listings most people don't realize what they getting into it risking fines,listings being greyed out,disappeared,removed,ect. In my opinion those listings are only short term solutions not for the long run of a clean reputable business.

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Totally agreed on fake listings! I am exactly the same way I report fake listings left and right and appreciate this post, I get a lot of people asking me about this as well, maybe even more so because I help people with listings that they have had troubles getting live (but in no way does this mean a fake listing) but just like all the blackhat link building hows that working out for all of them right now lol
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A month or so ago, someone local where I am, ran ads in Craigslist for people to use there address for Google Plus local verification and he will pay them $50.
I've seen a lot of those too and have told Google management about that and other scams I find.

Just found this older thread Patrick, but am glad you wrote it. There are far too many scammers out there and they make it harder for the ethical businesses.

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lol I think this is one of those things that we will never get everyone to agree on and when it comes to marketing there is a lot of grey areas I totally disagree with fake listings such as, see what has become of the locksmith's, tons of fake locations created by people in other countries.

That's not ok but if those same people decide to pay Google in adwords they can advertise fake business all over the internet and rip people off so if we are going to play the moral card as others have stated Google is guilty!

I think your post is to help others or warn others of the risks involved with these types of listings, but I think you went about it the wrong way lured people in with Yahoo type headlines to find it's not really a SCAM it's people using blackhat techniques and selling these type of services.
Does that mean I agree with fake listings no. Does it mean I am going to post a thread named Organic SEO (Search Engine Optimization) *SCAM a warning to all warriors if you hire 90% of the SEO providers you are going to get your stuff penalized and end up on page twenty because of there back linking techniques are going to trigger Penguin.

I have received lots of feedback from clients worried that I may be a scammer because of this post which is wrong because I never have posted a listing for fake listings if a client gives me a fake NAPW and wants me to verify it that is there problem! I have no way of knowing if the business is legit or not. Do I think you are targeting me as one of the groups? I have no idea, The only reason I am posting this is because I wanted you to know the negative effect this post has had on me *The new guy on the forum 2 months and running* and according to the warrior forum I should address this with the person posting it, So I hope your intentions were legitimate to help other warriors and not a poor marketing ploy to hurt your competition's reputation with words like SCAM and warning to come in as the hero and reap all the benefits.
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Totally agreed on fake listings! I am exactly the same way I report fake listings left and right and appreciate this post, I get a lot of people asking me about this as well, maybe even more so because I help people with listings that they have had troubles getting live (but in no way does this mean a fake listing) but just like all the blackhat link building hows that working out for all of them right now lol
This really none of my business if something going on between you and the thread starter, but confused? Here you say "appreciate this post" and now you are saying something wrong with it?

Like I said, really none of my business but when something has me scratching my head, just have ask. My nature

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I guess I didn't really understand he was targeting me until I had potential clients asking if I was a scammer and my account is new and I am just going to take there money and run even though they never even read this post just saw the title and so I appreciate the post, I don't appreciate the title or the way it was gone about!
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Ok, just wondering Nate.

If you have proof, why not take to the forum masters?

Again, not trying to get involved and do not want to but had me scratching my head.

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The forum rules say to take it up with the poster
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I just posted this but this seems like a great place to ask for info:

I have a client whom he pays these guys $49 per keyword. One such site is Experienced Plumber in Bellaire, TX - White Glove Plumbing and this site is one page 1 of Google Plus Listings for many keywords around Houston like "plumbers in Bellaire" which is a suburb in Houston. That is just one of many keywords and sites they do for my client. I know they control the site and number and get $49 per keyword per month. My client wants me to do it since he likes me and wants me to learn the system. But I've tried to figure this out and I am sure there is so much "shady" stuff involved I don't want to get involved. However, I'm so curious as to how they are beating the system. I mean these guys can create a 4 page website, create a plus page, not verify it with a fake address and in 2 days this website is ranking on 1st page. HOW? HOW? I'm stumped, confused and have what i thought was a good understanding of internet marketing. Please don't give me a moral speech. I am just curious. Even if I knew how to do it I might try it using my own address and a service I could lease out like to my neighbor who is a painter. But long-term I know it always comes to a end. But my client says these guys have been "duping' Google for 4 yrs now. How so fast i ask?

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There is lots of things they could be doing but generally companies like this have created a ton of listings Years and Years ago and they just change info each time they sell it to a new client and generally they do it in low traffic cities or suburbs because there isn't much competition. But there is several ways they could be accomplishing this.
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I just posted this but this seems like a great place to ask for info

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Even if you can find someone to spill all their hard learned tactics right here for the world to see, you would most likely get 100 different methods.

There are many ways to rank. You will find that 99% of these "top rankers" use slightly different methods. Not everyone can use the same exact ones, just does not work that way.

One+ key I have learned and will share: Aged domain, YouTube, Facebook and Twitter (and of course G+).

Bottom line: most any person/company has spent 1000's of dollars to obtain or learn how to rank and sharing with the world is not going to happen.

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Exactly you might get bits and pieces but never the whole picture, I personally think they probably have aged listings and probably fake locations in the centroid of the city which BTW isn't the center of the city it actually is the center of the industry so where most of the industries group in a city.
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Hmmm well it seems I took a break from the forum at the wrong time.

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I guess I didn't really understand he was targeting me until I had potential clients asking if I was a scammer and my account is new and I am just going to take there money and run even though they never even read this post just saw the title and so I appreciate the post, I don't appreciate the title or the way it was gone about!
@NateOlsen, I can't understand why anyone would think I'd be targeting you with this thread LOL

You'll see this thread was started Sept 2012 and your forum join date is Aug 2013... Do you honestly think I had you in mind when I created this thread?

Funny enough, this thread was started for the exact reasons I stated in the OP, and if I had anyone in mind as a scammer, it was those perpetuating the idea that these lead-gen / fake listings were a sustainable business model (also previously stated).

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Well, I wouldn't be able to guess why a client of yours may connect you to what I was speaking about in this thread, but if you've been in this business for any length of time you should know that scammers are everywhere, and having to reassure a client (or potential client) of your legitimacy shouldn't be taken personally. You've got careful clients. Good for them.

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What I described in this thread absolutely is a scam. I wasn't sensationalizing the issue at all. The word commonly used to describe illegitimate and unethical business practices is "SCAM".

See http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scam:

"a dishonest way to make money by deceiving people"
"a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation"

The scam was this: supposed experts in G+ local peddling guides and software to unsuspecting offline marketers (nice folks in this forum), selling them the dream of creating dozens of lead-gen G+ local listings to make money. The only people that made money off that tactic were the ones selling the lie to fellow Warriors.

At the time of its writing there were numerous WSOs and software products being sold to build a business based on lead gen listings. Around this time I started to receive a lot of inquiries about creating these listings. Being new to the forum, you don't have the proper context perhaps to understand the environment when I first posted this thread - I say that sincerely and not as an insult.

And I'm surprised you would presume to say that I would write a shock-and-awe article just to boost my PR. I have never pulled stunts like that and never will. I've been around here a while and I don't think anyone could accuse me of unethical business practices.

@Terry Jett, I want to thank you for giving everyone a testimony to the damage that can be done to an unsuspecting business owner.



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Thanks Kung Fu Backlinks for this thread - it cleared up a couple of uncertain areas for me.

Just additional question though...

If I'm building lead gen sites to rent out that are NOT using Google+ Local at all, just the organic site rankings, what do you suggest I use as an address when using directories for link building?

Would a VO be the best option in this case?

I've just started this strategy for a client and am finding most directories listing local business need an address. So far I've been under the impression is OK/safe to use a VO address in these other directories, as long as I'm not using it to try and rank in the G+ Local listings.

Any comments appreciated!

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I wonder if it would be the same if the work that you do for your clients can also be damaged???

possible...



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@NateOlsen, I can't understand why anyone would think I'd be targeting you with this thread LOL

You'll see this thread was started Sept 2012 and your forum join date is Aug 2013... Do you honestly think I had you in mind when I created this thread?

Funny enough, this thread was started for the exact reasons I stated in the OP, and if I had anyone in mind as a scammer, it was those perpetuating the idea that these lead-gen / fake listings were a sustainable business model (also previously stated).



Well, I wouldn't be able to guess why a client of yours may connect you to what I was speaking about in this thread, but if you've been in this business for any length of time you should know that scammers are everywhere, and having to reassure a client (or potential client) of your legitimacy shouldn't be taken personally. You've got careful clients. Good for them.



What I described in this thread absolutely is a scam. I wasn't sensationalizing the issue at all. The word commonly used to describe illegitimate and unethical business practices is "SCAM".

See http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scam:

"a dishonest way to make money by deceiving people"
"a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation"

The scam was this: supposed experts in G+ local peddling guides and software to unsuspecting offline marketers (nice folks in this forum), selling them the dream of creating dozens of lead-gen G+ local listings to make money. The only people that made money off that tactic were the ones selling the lie to fellow Warriors.

At the time of its writing there were numerous WSOs and software products being sold to build a business based on lead gen listings. Around this time I started to receive a lot of inquiries about creating these listings. Being new to the forum, you don't have the proper context perhaps to understand the environment when I first posted this thread - I say that sincerely and not as an insult.

And I'm surprised you would presume to say that I would write a shock-and-awe article just to boost my PR. I have never pulled stunts like that and never will. I've been around here a while and I don't think anyone could accuse me of unethical business practices.

@Terry Jett, I want to thank you for giving everyone a testimony to the damage that can be done to an unsuspecting business owner.

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@RyanTurner - great question, and not one I've thought about before. Without having ANY knowledge about using VO's for other directory sites, I'm guessing it would be against the ToS of some. But I'd be surprised if the consequences could be as severe and damaging as those experienced when dealing with G+ Local.

But now that I say that... if you put a VO in other directory sites, it's only a matter of time before Google scrapes that data and considers creating a G+ Local listing. Would that listing then get enough attention to put you at risk of a ranking penalty for either the G+ Local listing or the site? I honestly don't know.

Now you can geo-tag your sites and put the city name + local phone number in the site's citation. You can then link from local classified ads and other local sites that don't require an address. Back when I used to rent sites, doing that + social media activity in the local and niche spheres was enough for top rankings. May want to try that before doing business directory listings.

You can still grab citations on YouTube, Dailymotion, other social sites and web 2.0 sites. So you're not left without options.

Hope that helps a little =\

@BCM - sorry, mate. Maybe I'm tired, but don't quite grasp what you're saying lol



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With so many changes on Google+Local, are you able to get top placement on Google Places ? We can get you there.
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