US Offliners....

11 years ago

I couldn't agree more. I think that this election is as important of an election as there has been in my voting life time. I have owned small brick and mortar businesses with employees and now work for myself. I could not see going back to my owning a small business and dealing with all of the new tax rules and regulations, health care, etc. I know many small business owners and work with others, and they are struggling.

But, I agree, I have my views and know who I am going to voter for, but whoever you choose to vote for, just get out and vote. It is important

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ewenmack

11 years ago

People saying your vote counts is false.

Nobody has ever been able to show that a country election in any country around the world at any point in history that an election was decided by one vote.

Facts don't match the talk.

Not getting at you iamnameless,
just bringing it up as a general topic.

Best,
Ewen

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sprks79

11 years ago

Perhaps,

However if there are millions of people with the same attitude, then what?

Originally Posted by ewenmack

People saying your vote counts is false.

Nobody has ever been able to show that a country election in any country around the world at any point in history that an election was decided by one vote.

Facts don't match the talk.

Not getting at you iamnameless,
just bringing it up as a general topic.

Best,
Ewen

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ewenmack

11 years ago

Originally Posted by sprks79

Perhaps,

However if there are millions of people with the same attitude, then what?

Whatever the prevailing view point,
one vote hasn't won a country election, ever.

And you are going to bet against those odds?

Best,
Ewen

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jimzimm

11 years ago

Originally Posted by ewenmack

Whatever the prevailing view point,
one vote hasn't won a country election, ever.

And you are going to bet against those odds?

Best,
Ewen

This comment is utterly ridiculous. Of course the election will not be decided by 1 vote. But if thousands, or millions of people had your attitude, that could sway an election.

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ewenmack

11 years ago

Originally Posted by jimzimm

This comment is utterly ridiculous. Of course the election will not be decided by 1 vote. But if thousands, or millions of people had your attitude, that could sway an election.

The opposing view is that "your" vote counts.

If it was true then the election is going to be decided by "my" vote.

Now if you take thousands who, for example, share the same view,
you mean the election is still going down to the wire of one vote?

Now your argument looks silly.

Best,
Ewen

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jimzimm

11 years ago

Well, let's take your ridiculous argument to the extreme, what happens if EVERYONE follows your brilliant logic? Does that mean that no one votes and there isn't any winner. As I said, ridiculous.

Also, since the President is elected by the electoral college, each individual state has it's own individual election. Therefore, the numbers are shrunk down to the state level, so elections can be decided by a small number of votes. Look at the Bush/Gore election, it went all the way to the Supreme Court because it was decided by such a small number of votes. Remember the "hanging chads".

Yes, your vote does count. Go out and vote.

Originally Posted by ewenmack

The opposing view is that "your" vote counts.

If it was true then the election is going to be decided by "my" vote.

Now if you take thousands who, for example, share the same view,
you mean the election is still going down to the wire of one vote?

Now your argument looks silly.

Best,
Ewen

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Tsnyder

11 years ago

Originally Posted by ewenmack

The opposing view is that "your" vote counts.

If it was true then the election is going to be decided by "my" vote.

Now if you take thousands who, for example, share the same view,
you mean the election is still going down to the wire of one vote?

Now your argument looks silly.

Best,
Ewen

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Thanks, Mr. Cynical. Your argument assumes that the phrase
your vote counts means that an election will turn on one vote.

It doesn't mean that at all but being from New Zealand
I wouldn't expect you to know how important that phrase
is in American culture.

The only question in my mind is why you felt compelled
to argue such a trivial point. It's a bit silly, really.

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iain1066

11 years ago

In 2000 the election was decided by 537 votes. Just saying.

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iAmNameLess

11 years ago

Originally Posted by ewenmack

People saying your vote counts is false.

Nobody has ever been able to show that a country election in any country around the world at any point in history that an election was decided by one vote.

Facts don't match the talk.

Not getting at you iamnameless,
just bringing it up as a general topic.

Best,
Ewen

Originally Posted by ewenmack

Whatever the prevailing view point,
one vote hasn't won a country election, ever.

And you are going to bet against those odds?

Best,
Ewen

Originally Posted by ewenmack

The opposing view is that "your" vote counts.

If it was true then the election is going to be decided by "my" vote.

Now if you take thousands who, for example, share the same view,
you mean the election is still going down to the wire of one vote?

Now your argument looks silly.

Best,
Ewen

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Obviously you aren't who I was referring to as US offliners, as United States of America.

To correct your original statement, yes, one vote decided the election in Zanzibar, which was a country in 1961. It is now part of Tanzinia.

HOWEVER... we're not talking JUST on a national level. Here in the USA we have many elections, and MANY have been decided by a one vote margin. Voting for Alderman, City Council, County Board... these are your LOCAL elections, LOCAL, not NATIONAL effect you and your business DIRECTLY. Having an alderman/city council representative ON YOUR SIDE makes a HUMUNGOUS difference.

Here is a list of things decided by one vote..or so.

1645: 1 VOTE gave control of England to Oliver Cromwell

1649: 1 VOTE approved the beheading of Kings Charles I

1800: 1 VOTE made Thomas Jefferson president instead of Aaron Burr

1845: 1 VOTE brought Texas into the United States

1850: 1 VOTE admitted California and Oregon into the United States

1868: 1 VOTE saved President Andrew Johnson from Impeachment

1875: 1 VOTE ended the monarchy in France for a voting democracy

1876: 1 VOTE made Rutherford B. Hayes a United States President

1876: 1 VOTE elected the Indiana Electoral College member who voted for Hayes

1923: 1 VOTE placed Adolph Hitler as the leader of the Nazi Party

1941: 1 VOTE kept the military draft operational just weeks before Pearl Harbor

1992: 1 VOTE selected a member of the Town Council of Trinity, Alabama

1992: 1 VOTE decided the final member of the Selma, Alabama city council

Consider further how decisions that change history are determined by just a few votes:

1788: 3 VOTES ratified the U.S. Constitution in New York

1790: 2 VOTES ratified the U.S. Constitution in Rhode Island, making it approved in all 13 states

1960: 1 VOTE changed in each precinct would have defeated John Kennedy

1976: 1 VOTE changed in each Ohio precinct would have elected Gerald Ford and not Jimmy Carter

And, relevant to our times:

1993: 1 VOTE by Al Gore approved the largest tax increase in American history

Voting is not an obligation, in the USA it is a right.

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ewenmack

11 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess