IM CEOs ONLY: Deciding our our firm's direction - lead gen model or retainer?

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Hey all!!

So I found 2 guys that want to also open an IM company each with a complimentary set of skills. One guy is a 10 year inside sales expert, and the other is a master at producing high converting business websites. I am coming in from the Internet Marketing side.

We actually have a solid lead gen system up for ourselves, meaning we are processing about 50-70 requests a week and sending out proposals to the ones interested.

We are having an internal discussion based on our viewpoints that revolves around how we should try to close.

Right now since we know we can produce amazing business websites that look great within a cheap budget, we have an 'easy sell' with the websites. We can produce an amazing website that WILL convert for less then $500 in total in most cases. We want to keep the sites simple for now and try to avoid big complex design projects. For now its a "by the numbers game".

So the big question we had yesterday in a meeting is which way to play - Should we work hard on building up and pushing a lead gen model where we will say charge the client for the website, a small admin fee (lets say $500 a month or something small) and then we will 'eat the costs' to generate leads and charge the client based on leads. Basically Pay by Performance model.

OR

Should we work the more usual system of pitching first our quality website, and then one of various packages to get a retainer from the client (SEO+PPC+SOCIAL+REPMANAGEMENT...)

One guy thinks the traditional system is a harder sell, we are not guaranteeing any value, and its a much easier sell when we tell them very little risk since we fork out all the costs they just pay for the leads.

I think that the lead gen model works sometimes but it is not a viable foundation for building a strong business model because it forces us to deliver and overextend too much before we have any guaranteed income.

I say that if the sales guy starts pitching websites + a lead gen model we may be putting ourselves in hot water, because suddenly we have the 'potential' to make good money but until we deliver we have nothing but debt...

Both are good models that have benefits. Neither one of us has enough experience with one or the other to make this decision yet - but the partner who is a web dev expert really feels the lead gen model is the future and we should not be pushing a model that is not so receptive (asking for $xxxx a month to provide services which may or may not increase their business)..

Also just to note, we are good at what we do and whether its retainer or lead gen model we will work hard to bring value to the client so they are happy to stay with us long term...


So thats that! What are your opinions based on your firms??

Since we are able to get steady leads (for now they are mostly lower end leads of small businesses) we need to decide how to process them.

Also tangentially speaking:
What do you find works better, hiring a telemarketing firm to book appointments and have internal team close, or buying your own list and training your own appointment setters... Also what about paying per lead or paying per hour for the appointment setters...

I am excited to see the responses!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt121
    I am no IM CEO but I think I should still give an answer to help out.

    First of all, I think the traditional business model works better. You get to mention more benefits of your services which gets prospects interested because not only are you marketing a website, but you also provide added benefits.

    Next, you asked if you should hire your own team of telemarketers or appointment setters or outsource. Depending on your budget though, it is good to create your own team. Although, training takes time and that may be something you don't have. Outsourcing is often a good move to make because you put your campaign into the hands of trained professionals. All you really need to do is look for the right telemarketing company to make calls for you.

    Well, that's my two-cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author hayfj2
    You may want to revisit your "proposal" based model.

    Most "prospects" are just tyre kickers, and once they've managed to get you to reveal what you'd do and for how much, they'll simply take that elsewhere and use
    it as a stick to get a lower price from another supplier....

    ..Be Careful to ensure you protect your IP in the way you present and sell your solution over the phone, in person, and online.

    Asking for a proposal is just a way to get you to reveal what you have and for how much. I think you need to better pre-qualify them before sending any out.

    Hope that helps
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  • Profile picture of the author ttrance
    wow interesting the main thing I was hoping to get feedback on was should we pitch retainer (pay us X monthly for services) or pay per lead generated (could be sky high potential but also plenty of pressure to deliver and risk of losses).

    So far I see a different point mentioned!! One I never thought about -- Proposals!

    This is our process:
    first we receive the lead through our landing page
    sales guy calls to pre-qualify (2 minutes)
    then we setup an appointment where the PM speaks directly with prospect
    We review their needs, and go over our solutions
    If interested: we send out proposal
    follow up and close - get payment through payment gateway on website ASAP.

    Thats the system. We have been 'operational' in this for only 2 weeks so far and the sales guy says he has about a 60% conversion rate on leads to proposals. Our closing rate of proposals to sales is yet to be determined (since we are operating only for 2 weeks as a company).

    If we are to look at other systems instead of proposals what would you recommend?

    I dont see how to close people better...

    And also the main question burning in my mind: Lead gen model or Retainer as our main sale
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Depends on your target market vertical I'd say. If you're "all things to everyone", then it's going to be harder to determine the response from any given customer segment. Some markets will react to the traditional model where others would react to the lead gen.

    I'd be asking my customers.
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    • Profile picture of the author ttrance
      Well thats the thing when you are talking to a prospect and you start mentioning one option or the other 99% of companies will pick the option where they dont have to pay until they get something for it... So I would assume if we start asking them which model works for them better, they will say "oh lead gen is perfect". That already happened the other day. Sales guy was explaining the lead gen model and the guy said "bingo! thats what I want!"... Now if we would of instead of telling him our lead gen model we would of explained all the services we can offer perhaps that guy would of said not interested.

      So its a toss up.

      My main idea now is that we should generally pitch our quality services, and only if we feel that vertical would do well for us as a lead gen model then we can introduce it.


      Only problem I can see with that model is that we may get more prospects that say no to that model and then trying to sell the lead gen model would be like a 'saving grace' attempt to close. And what if when actually starting to work on that client we find that the agreed price per lead is not covering our costs or its just not worth it... then we call them and say its not worth our time?
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    If you know the value of your customer's customer, you could identify and plan for specific markets for lead gen in high value niches while still pursuing the services model.

    An invitro fertilization patient is worth more in $ to a doc than say... a pizza eater is to a local eatery.
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  • Profile picture of the author svalegria
    Having done both here is my cut:

    The traditional method takes more sales power. But if you have good sales it will produce faster, more sales and reduce risks. The traditional way is easier to establish your firm, build your name and produce referrals.

    If you don't have sales experience or the time it takes then the Lead gen works better. You assume a lot more risk, it is slower to get started and it takes a lot more busy work without pay. At some point in the future it becomes a machine and is profitable.
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