Craziest stuff you've done to close a deal

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In a recent thread, some of you mentioned "Ben Feldman" and I was googling around about him, laughing at his zany ways of prospecting.

I look back at when I first started in sales and it makes me laugh thinking about the crazy things I'd do to get a sale. I was in my very early 20's and pretty much had no morals, plus I worked for a company that trained you to leave with a sale or blood on the walls. This is in residential sales, selling home improvements to typically cold prospects.

I thought you might get a kick out of these. They are all 100% true and not exaggerated. While I'm not the same person anymore and I wouldn't do this now, I think it's pretty entertaining to reflect on. This is also during the heyday's of 2004-2007 where you could finance a single wide trailer for 20k worth of windows to an unemployed deadbeat couple.

1.) Sometimes I would be sent to leads where the homeowner would not answer the door. Often this is a sign that they are buyers that can't say no. They say 'yes' on the phone but they hide in the house because they know they'll say yes if they're pressured to buy.

To get them to come to the door or window, I would get back in my car and go down the street, then drive as fast as I could and slam the breaks in front of their house so it would screech and skid. They would always come to the window and get 'caught'.

2.)I convinced a lady that the higher the interest rate on her loan, the better. Actually I didn't convince her but played along with her existing thought.

She asked me what the interest rate would be and I told her 'probably the norm like fifteen percent unsecured.'

She starts shaking her head and saying "I'd NEVER get that! My credit isn't that good". I realized at this point she thought the higher the better. Comes back 15.9% and she was absolutely FLOORED she got it!


3.) I convinced a nun to buy a $5,500 front entry door, the next day she cancelled after consulting with God and I re-convinced her to buy it on the basis that the ornate glass would be a deterrent to possible thieves since the pewter caming in the glass would not make it easy for them to break.

4.) I sold a guy a 'backup window' to put in his basement just in case one broke.

5.) I went into a house where a guy had an insurance salesmen show up literally minutes prior. I asked if I could have fifteen minutes quick so I could be out of there, then proceeded to do a 2 hour demo and sold him on a payment plan going over his budget and maxing out what he could afford, all while the other salesman waited like a dope in the chair and watched me basically ruin his chance of selling anything.

6.) I carried a little spray bottle of water in my pocket and when the homeower wasn't looking I'd spray the windows to look like moisture was forming on the panes. I even tested it with a little bit of green & black food coloring which worked well.

7.) I sold an 80+ year old guy about $5,000 worth of gutters on his little ranch house, on a payment plan, but his kids were all on the title of the house for financial reasons, so they had to sign it.

One of his kids lived in virginia (I'm in NY), and he got all 5 of them together, they were FURIOUS with me for ripping him off to the point where one wanted to buy a billboard on the highway telling people not to do business with me.

I ended up reselling all of them on it to the point where they all signed off on it and loved me. I don't even remember what I did exactly, I only remember being scared sh**less when I first got there. I got complete tunnel vision.

7.) I saw an old guy standing outside of this huge old farm house (paint was peeling bad) so I stopped and talked with him. He asked me how much the siding would be, I said around $50,000 due to the massive size of the home and detailed trim. He said "$5,000?" and I replied "no, Fifty-thousand". I just wanted to give him a high price, shock him, and then try to negotiate it down in order to do it now.

He looks at me and goes "that ain't bad". I wrote it up financed and he had $50,000 worth of siding installed a month later. $20,000 commission.




What kind of crazy stuff have you done?
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  • Profile picture of the author jake454
    hahah, I like hearing stories like this. being able to sell is everything cool that you went through all that, even if you were a bit of a dick.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Like Bob, these things happened years ago (mostly in the 1980s & 1990s).

      I went to an appointment selling vacuum cleaners about 8PM. There was a party going on. I had already made two sales that day and was really wanting to blow the appointment off. But they insisted on making me the "entertainment" for the evening.

      There were seven couples, and one single guy. I walked out at 3AM with 8 sales. My wife (at the time) wouldn't believe I was working, until I showed here the sales. Ten retail sales in one day. I couldn't talk for three days afterward.
      I took the money and bought a new car.

      I sold a blind man a vacuum cleaner. He was a bright young man that I had to make some serious adjustments (in the demonstration) for, but it ended up well.

      I sold a vacuum cleaner to someone with dirt floors. I noticed that their floors were not really flat, but wavy. I asked about it, and they said "We have no floor. The carpet sits on dirt." I've only seen this once, and they bought. Strange.

      I was in a home selling a single lady and her drunk boyfriend came home with a shotgun. He just stared at me sitting there, with the shotgun in his lap.
      I was actually writing up the sale, and I looked at them both and said "I'll come back another day. I'm leaving now." and I took my vacuum and left. I thought I lost a sale, but he was really really drunk. I stopped by a couple days later and wrote it up. He as a nice guy, but not happy I was there when he came home drunk.

      I've taken exercise equipment, guns, furniture and other things as trade-in. Some I sell, some I toss out.

      Twice, I've had appointments, gone to the wrong house, sold the people a vacuum, and then found out the appointment was with the next door neighbors.

      Out of over 10,000 in home presentations, I've actually been told to leave once. And I deserved it. It was a Mennonite couple. I wasn't thinking, and said a swear word (guess which one) in front of the wife. I thought the husband was going to punch me in the face, and I would have deserved it. But I just stopped and said "Obviously, I didn't mean for that to come out of my mouth. I'll just leave now."

      I cold canvased a home where the lady (A very attractive tall blonde) invited me in, and then proceeded to tell me she was going to commit suicide as soon as I left. It wasn't a real attempt. She just wanted attention. So I said "Do you mind if I watch?". I called her on it, and a couple hours later she bought my vacuum. She told me the reason for the intended suicide was because she just found out that her poodle was going to be put to sleep after 15 years, and failing health. Honestly, I had a hard time not laughing. I thought someone had died, or she found out she had a terminal disease. No. Old Poodle.
      I saw her years later, in my retail store. Nice lady, she just needed someone to listen to her story.

      I knocked on a door where a Swingers Party was going on. I was there at exactly the wrong time. I left. The memory still burns in my brain. Yech.

      I was showing a couple a vacuum cleaner in their home. When I took it out of the box, I noticed it was too light weight. Some moron at the factory didn't install a motor. So I was stuck trying to demonstrate a vacuum cleaner that would not run. They bought, followed me back to my store, and I gave them a new one. Weird.

      I've been told numerous times that the reason they couldn't buy is because the world was coming to an end in a week, month, whatever. No, they never bought.

      Anyone that goes into thousands of stranger's home would have stories at least as good.

      I honestly don't remember doing anything outrageous to close a deal. Once A couple wanted to pray about it, and I insinuated that God sent me there. That was about the lowest point of my selling.
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      • Profile picture of the author MagicAce
        Thanks for a great laugh ))))

        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I honestly don't remember doing anything outrageous to close a deal. Once A couple wanted to pray about it, and I insinuated that God sent me there. That was about the lowest point of my selling.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

          Thanks for a great laugh ))))
          Yeah, and they bought. It was about the lowest thing I ever did. These were simple people that I took advantage of. Not a proud moment.

          Just because I'm smarter than they are, doesn't give me the right to take advantage of them. It sounds funny in the telling, and when I tell other salespeople about it...they laugh or are impressed. But I'm never laughing.
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          • Profile picture of the author MagicAce
            As long as you were not selling trash I don't see the wrong in it.

            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Yeah, and they bought. It was about the lowest thing I ever did. These were simple people that I took advantage of. Not a proud moment.

            Just because I'm smarter than they are, doesn't give me the right to take advantage of them. It sounds funny in the telling, and when I tell other salespeople about it...they laugh or are impressed. But I'm never laughing.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

              As long as you were not selling trash I don't see the wrong in it.
              I appreciate why you are saying that. But they bought for the wrong reasons. It's as if I told them that if they didn't buy, my child would starve....and I didn't have a child. They didn't buy because they liked or wanted the vacuum cleaner. They bought because I was smarter than they were, and played off of their superstitions. I tricked them. It was a form of bullying. It bothers me to this day.

              Now the lady with the dying poodle? I thought it was hilarious. I thought I was in a movie.

              The blind guy? We both had fun.

              I've sold hard, and closed sales that were near impossible. I've had company presidents call me the best salesman in the industry. (The vacuum industry).

              But I never sold by lying. I lied to that young couple. It just isn't necessary.
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  • Profile picture of the author vndnbrgj
    I love the "back-up window"

    I used to do air duct cleaning.
    Some of the things those guys said to close a deal was a little outlandish.
    - You will all die
    - You will bleed out of your a**hole
    - Your house will be condemned

    Mrs. Smith, I just need you to sign off on the treatment option. This way we can report that you didn't allow for the proper removal. Making all health conditions related to this, exempt from any insurance coverage.

    That one ^^^ always stuck with me. There is no way a duct cleaner in any way associated with any insurance company. Yet, most of these people never questioned it. Then, they thought they would have medical issues as a result of not getting the treatment. And then decide they wanted it. It was amazing to watch them turn a $50 appt into $1200 using obscure scare tactics. Oh, their commission was 29%.

    I got out of the industry....
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  • Profile picture of the author bob ross
    Haha I could read this all day, it's nice to hear these stories from others who've been in the same boat.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    This is how we closed lots of deal, from people on sidewalk.

    Not crazy but was fun.

    My mate has an icecream shop here in OZ.

    His sales were bad in winter.....as sometimes people do not like to eat icecream in winter.

    I said, hire bikini babes on the sidewalk and make them hand out free icecream. You know sample sizes, to entice people to come in and BUY.

    Oh boy did this open up pandoras box. ha ha.

    Oh my god, we did this and hired out 2 dead sexy gorgeous chicks in bright pink bikinis who had bright sparkly hats on that shone in the sun, and you should have seen the males and others stoping to get their FREE ICECREAM!!

    I also loved to see the wives slap their husbands too as they walked past. That was a VERY Fun day!!!

    It paid off too, the girls in bikins were cold, so it make certain parts of their anatomy stick out more, and my mates sales and business soared for months after that an he has done very well since.

    He has incorporated the bikini idea a few times now and it works a treat.

    He offered to pay me for this idea, but with that eye candy, I felt like i was working for free. ha ha.
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanJ
    I don't have any crazy close stories but I did used to go door to door selling windows in South FL. Once I happened upon a normal looking house on the outside but on the inside it was anything but normal. After I knocked a huge (muscled up) black guy answered. He was wearing a black bra and underwear with a red feather boa. One of the most awkward moments in my life. Apparently he was doing a photo shoot. Like a champ I said my script and I was on my way. I wish I could forget.
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by RyanJ View Post

      I don't have any crazy close stories but I did used to go door to door selling windows in South FL. Once I happened upon a normal looking house on the outside but on the inside it was anything but normal. After I knocked a huge (muscled up) black guy answered. He was wearing a black bra and underwear with a red feather boa. One of the most awkward moments in my life. Apparently he was doing a photo shoot. Like a champ I said my script and I was on my way. I wish I could forget.
      haha, now that is classic. and yes, you are a champ.
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  • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
    The 'backup window' is hilarious!
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    • Profile picture of the author dave147
      Originally Posted by SirThomas View Post

      The 'backup window' is hilarious!
      Yeah the backup window is a good one, I wonder if he still has the window
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  • Profile picture of the author 195SEO
    The backup window is actually classic! the fact that person thought he'd need a backup window just "incase" is amazing. I hope to meet the same man to potentially give him a back up door, just incase his current door comes off its hinges. Well done sir!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    This thread is hilarious Bob!

    My friends and I used to switch headphones and pitch each others customers and switch back in mid conversation.... we were bored...we would try to see how many times we could call someone Bubba in a presentation and get away with it without them realizing we were condesending... I once pretended I was mentally disabled to tick off my manager for making me use his retarded rebuttals..., and I ended up getting a ton of sales...so I continued it for two weeks, and REALLY got into the character... until my consious started killing me then I switched back to normal...wasnt sure if it was becoming too real...lol

    Unfortunately I switched back on a day when we were rehashing last weeks list, and people were like "You got healed all the sudden?"

    Hmmm... wasnt me, you must be thinking of someone else...

    My own personal favorite was when I worked for a fundraising org that kept 80% ....we were obligated to tell them that if they asked...but this guy didnt ask right, he said "I just want to make sure that most of this isnt going to some other place like one of those scams that keep all the money...you never know"

    And I said "dont worry sir, 80% goes straight to us"

    He was happy to hear that and donated 150 bucks.

    Usually Im not too crazy, I tend to kill em with care and kindness, but I have had my times.

    Funny stories Bob. This thread is a keeper.

    Ps. I dont feel so bad about my mental thing...now that I've read your number 6! lol Thats freakin hilarious!
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh T.
    So, to preface this story, I didn't actually close the deal....but that was a win in my opinion. I'll explain why:

    Got a referral to pitch a service based company on my marketing and sales consulting services. It was an interesting opportunity and they had a lot of business connections that I wanted to get in with, so I went above and beyond in making an irresistible offer for them.

    Basically, the offer was to grow a new arm of their business on performance only. It was one of those, 'you pay me for the customers I bring in' type of deals...zero risk for them, as they only had to pay me when they were making money.

    I did a discovery appointment, learned about their pain points, their goals, their needs and their threshold for payment. Went home, put together a thorough proposal, emailed it over and came back a few days later.

    The second meeting is where I learned what ruthless grinders they were. It didn't seem enough that what they would pay me in the beginning was less than a typical Philippine worker's hourly wage, they were afraid that I would actually be successful and have to pay me gobs and gobs of money when they actually started generating sales from my efforts. Keep in mind, what they were paying me was 1/80th of the revenue they would bring in (which was recurring). Basically, they wanted to cap me after a certain point. I objected, and did my best to turn the situation around and maintain a constructive momentum.

    So, they put it off again and I had to set up another appointment.

    Appointment #3 with the VP:

    She sat down with me and told me that they want to grow this part of the business, but will only offer to pay my performance contract up to $500 a month (which was an insult to say the least). The way I was setting this business up, I was going to be bringing in recurring revenues in excess of $80,000 per month within about 6 months.

    I responded by explaining how it didn't make a lot of sense for me to start working for nearly nothing if there was no upside potential. She thought about it and agreed, then we got to an almost stale mate, because she wasn't prepared to have me say something contrary that made sense.

    So, I used an old trick from an old friend and proceeded to get a hilarious result.

    I stopped her in the middle of a sentence and delivered the following:

    "Ok, I'll tell you what. You seem to be having a problem with trusting that I can do the work, or maybe it's a concern that you will actually make this part of your business successful. Let me take away all the barriers possible for us to get started.

    I'm going to do everything on this proposal (which was a LOT of freakin' work). I'm going to advocate your business, recruit, train and coach sales staff, and grow your member base for 30 days. I anticipate with active effort that I can bring in 100 members during that time (which was worth $8,000/month to them).

    And I'm going to do it all for an entire month.....for $1.

    But here are my stipulations:
    1. There is no commitment for you to continue.
    2. We will re-evaluate the agreement in 30 days.
    3. You have to write me a check for $1 TODAY.

    ...........SILENCE...........SQUIRMING............ STUTTERING............

    I could tell that I had disrupted the synapse patterns in her brain, because she literally had no idea how to respond, and had obviously never been put to a decision in that way in her entire life.

    After a few awkward seconds, she finally responded by saying....

    "Why would you do that?"

    So, I told her I wanted to overcome her issue with trust and prove my value. This was the closest I can get her to a no-risk situation and that I was motivated to go to work for her company.

    In my mind, the value of her company's network far exceeded the level of effort I'd have to put out for 30 days to show how good I was. It was going to open a HUGE floodgate of potential for my business. So, I told her flat out. The only way I can make this offer is if we sign an agreement today, and you write me a check for $1, or scrape up some spare change out of your junk drawer TODAY.

    Her response?

    .....I need to pray on it.

    Boom! There you go. That was a win for me for one very specific reason. They were leading me on, trying to get free work out of me, or free information, or something. I learned right then and there, that pursuing that deal was no longer worth my time, so I dropped it.

    Now for what it's worth, I maintain a friendly relationship with them because they are exceedingly nice and helpful people.....plus they have a huge network. But I know that doing business with them in the traditional sense will not work at this point.....thus saving myself 6 months of chasing them down a rabbit hole with no particular end in sight.

    So, next time someone's trying to grind you out, or put you off, try my $1 offer. It's going to do one of two things. Either you'll get the deal and have a chance to prove yourself, or you'll know where you stand. It's a bold move, but if done correctly, will pan out for you more than it will backfire.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Josh T. View Post

      I'm going to do everything on this proposal (which was a LOT of freakin' work). I'm going to advocate your business, recruit, train and coach sales staff, and grow your member base for 30 days. I anticipate with active effort that I can bring in 100 members during that time (which was worth $8,000/month to them).

      And I'm going to do it all for an entire month.....for $1.

      But here are my stipulations:
      1. There is no commitment for you to continue.
      2. We will re-evaluate the agreement in 30 days.
      3. You have to write me a check for $1 TODAY.
      .
      Smart, smart, smart smart smart. I'll look for ways to use this.

      Ahem, now more about Claude!!!:rolleyes:

      Two times I didn't make sales, but I thought they were interesting.
      These are both selling vacuum cleaners in people's homes.

      Took a young man with me, to train him.

      The wife keeps saying to the husband "Oh, honey..I'd love to have this" and keeps gushing about how much she wants the vacuum. The husband keeps saying "No". They guy I was training needed a lesson here.

      The wife leaves to use the bathroom.I say to the husband "Look, I know you aren't going to buy. That's OK. But when your wife comes back, tell her you changed your mind, and that you will buy it for her. Just to see what she says". For some reason, he agreed.

      So she came back in the room, and the husband tells her "Honey, I decided to go ahead an buy this for you". She starts yelling "We can't afford this! There's no way we are going to buy this vacuum!"

      I just wanted the new guy to see human nature in action.

      I was training a new person in someone's home, and they kept saying "We'll buy it next Tuesday" The guy I was training was mentally counting his money from this sure sale. I wanted a lesson to be learned.

      So I asked the guy "Next Tuesday, are you going to pay cash or pay monthly?" He said "Pay monthly"

      I said "If you buy it right now, I'll let you have it for only five cents a month".

      He said "Yeah, but for how many months?"

      I said "It's only five cents a month. It doesn't matter how many months. If it was the rest of your life, it would still be less than $100".

      He said "No, I'll just buy it Tuesday for the regular price"

      I said "Just so my new guy here understands, you'll pay us $1,699 Tuesday plus interest, but not five cents a month today?"

      He said "That's right".

      So I thought "Well, at least my guy knows when someone says they will buy later...it's just a polite way of saying No"

      So, after we get back in the car, I said "So ...what did you learn from that?"

      He said "I learned that we have a payment program of only five cents a month!".

      They never found his body.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Oh!!!!! One more. I was learning how to sell encyclopedias from a Great encyclopedia salesman. He closed over 90% from walking in cold in people's homes. His pitch was based on solid psychology, and a fair amount of lying.

        But I knew I could learn from him, if I filtered out the bad stuff.

        He had one pitch, one close.

        I asked him once about technique. He said "It isn't technique. The prospects start believing what I say, and they end up just listening to the tone of my voice, and the tempo, and they buy. It's like a hypnotic trance"

        And so he proved it to me.

        We were in a home with a young couple. In the middle of his presentation he said
        "...and so we buy these books for $120, and sell them to folks like you for $1,600. We find mooches like yourselves to buy from us, and we find it to be very lucrative....." And he just kept going on with his presentation. I waited for someone to yell something, tell us to leave, or at least react in some way. No. They bought. These people were spellbound.

        At first, I was astonished. I tried to figure out why it happened. Soon, I realized my friend was a sociopath, and stopped working with him.

        To this day, I use portions of his pitch to "Frame". I actually learned a lot about human nature from him. But I know, if I told the customers what he said to them, they wouldn't believe me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Josh T.
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


        So I asked the guy "Next Tuesday, are you going to pay cash or pay monthly?" He said "Pay monthly"

        I said "If you buy it right now, I'll let you have it for only five cents a month".

        He said "Yeah, but for how many months?"

        I said "It's only five cents a month. It doesn't matter how many months. If it was the rest of your life, it would still be less than $100".

        He said "No, I'll just buy it Tuesday for the regular price"
        Ha. Yep. #1 goal should always be to get a commitment, no matter how small. If you can't get that...next.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Josh T. View Post

          Ha. Yep. #1 goal should always be to get a commitment, no matter how small. If you can't get that...next.
          Thank you, but I knew he wasn't going to buy. I only did it to prove it to the guy I was training. If there was even one chance in 1,000 that he would have said "Yes" to it, I wouldn't have mentioned it.

          One thing I really did do (never with a trainee present), is offer a twenty dollar payment just to get them saying "Yes".

          I think our lowest payment at the time was around $70. But I never had a problem upping the payment.

          Because, once they said "Yes", the monthly payment became a detail.

          Once a customer says "Yes" and means it, their brain has tipped to buying.
          Now, even if the sale hinged on a payment or other condition...you can usually change the condition...and the sale sticks. It would be difficult to train someone to do this, and I never would....but it's devastatingly effective.
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          • Profile picture of the author MagicAce
            This is one interesting thread.

            I would love to have your experience in human psychology and selling guys!

            Claude the story with that salesman is a wicked one. He must have been making a lot of money.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

              This is one interesting thread.

              I would love to have your experience in human psychology and selling guys!

              Claude the story with that salesman is a wicked one. He must have been making a lot of money.
              Only in short bursts. I told him once that he was a great salesman. He said "I'm not a salesman. I'm a con man. You use techniques. I tell a story. If they believe me, they buy. If they don't believe me, they don't. My job is to be believable"

              I've only known a few truly great salespeople. Most of them have very deep flaws after you get to know them.

              He could never work in the same neighborhood twice. Customers would call him to get refunds, or to complain about his tactics (after they woke up a few days later). He had to screen his calls. He couldn't shop in certain neighborhoods. The trouble with con men is they are starting over every day. What a sad life.
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              • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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                WOW! I just came across this thread and LOVE it. It's all about "DIRECT", "Face-To-Face" selling...which is where I started my Sales Career after being "FORCED" to consider a career DIFFERENT from what I was trained for.

                Hold on a minute, I'll make your time reading the folowing, WORTH IT!

                Ok....I was fortunate to get a FREE Scholarship to Northwestern Univ and I chose to get into "Electrical Engineering"....and...my first job was with "General Electric Corp" in downtown Chgo.

                And....2 wks later, I'm out to lunch with the people in my office and one of the secretaries comes up to me and tells me, "Hey Don! You replaced a man who was just about ready to get his "retirement rights" and they fired him!"

                So....the "Great GE Co" hired a guy (ME) at a fraction of the price they were paying someone who had been a loyal employee for over 29 yrs!

                I went home that eve and told my young wifee, "Hey! I don't think I want to work at a place where, they might fire me just before my Retirement Rights were ready to kick in. I'm gonna look for a business I can start!"

                So....6 mos later I see an ad in the WallStreet Journal about a New Type of home burglar alarm. I inquire and actually FLY down to the company on Florida and come home with a "Starter Kit".

                And....after becoming familiar with how the system works and acclimating myself to "DIRECT Sales" (I was a "Nerd-Turd" engineering introvert and had NO interest in trying to SELL anything....direct)....(the following will give you an insight into how MY mind works and WHY I posted this in this Thread)

                I set up a biz acct at my bank with $500....got biz cards and letterheads and envelopes made and proceeded to WONDER ....HOW....was I going to get business...which was to SELL my "Burglar Alarm System' to Home-Owners in the NorthShore of Chgo.

                So....I saw a photo in the Chgo Trib the next morning of "W.Clement Stone" (A wealthy insurance guy who also started a Success Magazine)

                In Mr Stone's mouth was a CIGAR. So....I thought, "Hey! Every photo I've ever seen of him....he had a stogey in his mouth. So...this caused me to wonder.....WHERE does this guy buy his Cigars?"

                So....a few phone calls and I found he gets his stogeys from a small tobacco store on Wabash Ave in Chgo.....so....I went to see this tobacconist and he told me Mr Stone gets his cigars from Cuba, every month.

                So....I asked the tobacconist of I could buy a decanter of 25 of Mr Stone's stogeys AND....I'd pay the tobacconist an extra 50 bux if he would HOLD OFF on phoning Mr Stone that his "Cigar Order" was IN...for ONE DAY! He agreed.

                So....the next week the tobacconist phones me on a Friday and tells me tbe "Cigars are IN" and he will hold off on notifying Mr Stone until Monday morn.

                Wowee! Cowee! I picked up the dacanter of cigars and had a whole weekend to decide what to do.

                Well...as luck would have it, I decided to take the decanter of cigars up to Mr Stone's house on Sat morn.

                At 10am Sat morn, I knocked on the HUGE Door of his mansion. A few minutes later a tiny maid in a "Maid outfit" opens the door. I hand her the decanter and tell her to give this to Mr Stone for 4min of his time.

                The little maid takes the decanter and closes the door. I think; "Holy Camoly! I just lost $100!"

                Well...a few minutes later, just before I was ready to give up and go home, I hear a "High-Pitched Voice" yelling, "Hey You...out there, open the door and come in!"

                I open the door and at the top of this huge staircase is a guy in a Smoking Jacket holding my decanter of stogeys yelling, "Hey, You! Come up here! I wanna talk to you!'

                So...I run up the stairs...he greets me, shakes my hand and tells me to follow him to his study.

                I spend the next hour telling him how I came up with the my "unique method" of how to "get to see him!

                Turns out Mr Stone owns an insurance Co (Combined Insurance) where he has "Rah-Rah" sessions every week, with his sales staff of over 30 sales people and I impressed him so much he wanted to "Hire Me, On The Spot" to be a salesman for him.

                I turned him down BUT....I agreed to attend his next few weekly Sales Meetings where I would relate how I came up with this unique method of "getting to meet" a prospect.

                Ohhh...and after our initial meeting he tells me to "take a look around and tell me what kind of Security System you'd recommend"

                I do and....proceed to sell him a $27,000 Security System AND....get him to agree to "recommend me to ALL his friends and contacts.

                Well....Mr Stone DOES recommend me to his friends AND....he helps me build my business from one employee (me) to 3 secretary's and 17 employees.....all from ONE unique "Contact Method"!

                I hope this was worth your time.

                Don Alm...
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                • Profile picture of the author John Durham
                  Originally Posted by midasman09 View Post


                  I hope this was worth your time.

                  Don Alm...
                  Twas , Twas...

                  Hey just to help out Don, I have noticed something for you, and can offer something really simple that will make a big difference. Personally I kind of learned how to type on the Warrior forum. Prior to that my wife did all my typing or a secretary...

                  When you want to emphasize something use italics... and when you are RAISING YOUR VOICE use caps.

                  Because I only posted here and there up till 3 years ago it wasnt so noticeable, but when I started posting alot I noticed that my own posts had all the finesse of an epileptic grizzly, and here I was almost forty years old... Never had to type that much before really, others did it for me.

                  So I started paying attention to people like Alexa, and different others, and learning a little here and there about how to form these paragraphs properly... So you arent alone.

                  3 years ago my posts looked just like the ones of yours that get critiqued.

                  Just remember italics for emphasis, and CAPS for raising your voice. BOLD for extreme emphasis and raising voice.

                  What you will find is that you are mostly wanting to use italics and just bold and caps here and there.

                  My daughter still laughs because I will get a pen and highlighter, then I will highlight almost everything I write on the page...she is like "Whats the point?", Im like "It's all important." lol

                  Many of us were business people long before typing was a requirement for it, so it isnt uncommon to be learning these things in your forties.

                  I have just learned in the last ten years personally, and just gotten good in the last 3-5 years... really in the last 3 it has picked up ALOT, because of all this posting and running my own forum... Just watching what others do.

                  Hope this helps.

                  -JD

                  (Edit) The big clue for me was when I heard Alexa say that every break in the flow, when someone is reading, stops their mind, and stops the thought process... When you want to communicate, you want people to be able to have a smooth ride so they can get it all and assimilate it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mwind076
    @Claude What did you sell? You'll enjoy this story.

    Guess who opened the door to a Kirby salesman last night at 8 pm?

    <-------This chick. I said "you're not going to sell anything to us, we're in marketing." I sent David to the door to reiterate that sentiment. He let the guy in to shampoo the living room floor. David was stone faced letting the guy and his manager in "we're not buying anything tonight, but you can clean this floor."

    I have been complaining about my vacuum for months, and wanting a better one, we've been grooming the fluff dog every 6 weeks, and we have grandkids (babies) that get on the carpet, so I was kinda sold if this thing was half good.

    One "dust filter" later (that was SO nasty), I was sold, and 2 hours later, I was SO happy because our carpet looked NEW and was so fluffy and clean." (And David gave me the "down girl" look) He says, so what's the best price you can do. $2295 and $500 down - making it 1800 to pay off in installments.

    We went outside to discuss, and David says "I'm not buying a thing tonight, not signing nothing, but if they give me 2 weeks I'll buy one full price."

    I said "well, I would buy it if there were no downpayment (they wanted 500 to begin with) and if the payments were like $50 bucks a month and we can pay it off early."

    We walked in the house, and I went around the corner because I was ready to say YES and ruin it.

    David said "well guys, thanks for coming out, but I'm just not doing it tonight." I came around the corner laughing at the looks on everyone's faces. David was a blank slate, but knew I wanted it, the salesman knew and was trying to get the best commission he could, and I said "you guys are marketers trying to market to each other." HILARIOUS. The salesman looked at David and said "I'm not leaving, you want that thing...she wants that thing." David stood up and replied "she'll get one eventually, just not tonight."

    The salesman sat back down on our couch, not bothering to put the machine away, and made a call (I don't think he did) then handed David a piece of paper that said "nothing down, $54 a month - total price 1500." David stood up, shook his hand and walked on the porch laughing, and the guy turned to me and said "welcome to the Kirby family."

    I vacuumed the entire downstairs today and could not be more thrilled with all the attachments (I've already made it a canister to an upright twice today).

    I realize they can markup those things as much as they want as a distributor, but my grandma had one for 30 years, my aunt has one still from 15 years ago, and I LOVE this thing!!!!!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Mwind076; I'm going to do you a favor. The distributor paid $550 for the Kirby and everything included. If you call them within 3 days, and say you changed your mind, they will sell it to you for half of what you paid. The payments have nothing to do with it. The down payment has nothing to do with it. They make the same money regardless of how you pay for it.

      The average price for a brand new Kirby with every attachment is about $1,300 at retail. You were played. When you call to cancel, the dealer will have a reason why he can discount by 50% to you. Whatever he says, it's a lie...but who cares? They want the sale.

      He'll say they are in a contest, and you sale puts him over the top...he'll say that the machine he sold you was one he won, and for that reason only...he'll give you half off. Again, it doesn't matter. He'll have a story.

      Don't feel bad about calling. Almost 50% of their sales call to cancel. After they buy, people go online and find new Kirbys for $800. Current models, though used for $500.

      A lady just came in my store yesterday and sold me a Kirby Sentria (2 years old) for $50. I'm not joking. On E-bay, right now, you can buy a brand new Kirby with all attachments for less than $800.

      I'm not trying to sell you a vacuum cleaner. I'm trying to keep you from paying way too much. You have my word. You'll get to keep the machine, and everything included...for $750. Including tax. Maybe $650.

      You were taken advantage of. By the lowest form of salesman. They will sell the exact same machine for anywhere between $2,300 and $650 on the same street, on the same day.

      I see them at conventions, and won't talk to them. Really. I appreciate that you wanted to tell me the story. But it would be unethical of me to let you get taken like that. And no matter what they say. Federal law is 3 business days to change your mind. Kirby was the reason that law got passed.

      Sorry to sound like I don't like Kirbys . The machine is extraordinary. Perhaps the best upright made. You'll keep it for decades. It isn't the vacuum. Keep the vacuum. Pay less.

      If you're happy with your deal, then I'm happy for you. Just didn't want you to find out about this (and you would!) after it was too late. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mwind076
    ON IT! - Pm'd you...need some pointers.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    What an awesome story Mwind. Yup. I love you. You are totally real arent you. David seems like a great guy too, you two are lucky to have each other. Great story.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mwind076
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      What an awesome story Mwind. Yup. I love you. You are totally real arent you. David seems like a great guy too, you two are lucky to have each other. Great story.
      Did you think I was not real? I thought you knew better than that!

      D just came downstairs and I said "Claude said we got taken!" He said "I could have told you that, but if I let that man leave the house with that vacuum, you would have been a sad puppy." He truly loves me, and just wants me to be happy...but I'm returning the favor and I'm going to negotiate so we can buy him a toy with the extra cash!

      He is really a blessing and an amazing husband.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Mwind076 View Post

        Did you think I was not real? I thought you knew better than that!

        D just came downstairs and I said "Claude said we got taken!" He said "I could have told you that, but if I let that man leave the house with that vacuum, you would have been a sad puppy." He truly loves me, and just wants me to be happy...but I'm returning the favor and I'm going to negotiate so we can buy him a toy with the extra cash!

        He is really a blessing and an amazing husband.
        Hmmm.... $750?

        I would get him an American Made Stratocastor Guitar. The icon of rock n roll!

        I dont know if he ever played or not, but if he ever did, every man that plays even a little dreams someday of having their own American Strat! Sunburst is classic!

        You can get them on ebay for less.... http://www.zzounds.com/item--FEN0113002
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  • Profile picture of the author Mav91890
    Some of this sounds like a lacking of morality just to make money. lol, the American Dream.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Mav91890 View Post

      Some of this sounds like a lacking of morality just to make money. lol, the American Dream.
      If you think that then you obviously never tried to make a bulk deal with anyone from India.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mav91890
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        If you think that then you obviously never tried to make a bulk deal with anyone from India.
        #2 and #6 was what I was mainly referring to.
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          Originally Posted by Mav91890 View Post

          #2 and #6 was what I was mainly referring to.
          Yeah, I get it.

          Unfortunately its dog eat dog in the competitive world. I believe the only way out is to side step it, create your own market, and then you dont have to be in the competition.

          In the competitive world, if you dont pull out all of the stops you get run over and end up with skinny children. But I agree. Its not just America though; that was my point.

          Thats why I dont buy diamonds, moral issues with how most of them get on the market.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ellrose
            I used to do cold-call vacuum sales.
            One couple were not showing any buy signs at all,in fact,I could sense a lot of tension between them.
            When I used the crevice tool on the couch I pulled up $2400. from a hiding place. Apparently she was hiding money,the husband said "she`ll take it" and paid cash with what had come out of the couch.
            Another call where I thought I had little chance of making a sale turned out stupidly well.The farm wife showed no reaction at all during the dem.I couldn`t get her to participate at all.When I gave her the initial price she looked me in the eye and said that she would only buy If I could give her 4 at that price.She paid the full amount and I brought her the other 3 the next afternoon the minute the check cleared.$1600 in commission,$500 in bonus,and it pushed me to the next level on a sales contest where I won 5 vacuums.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mwind076
    Too late, he's already hunting down a gun. We stopped by a shop today, and he was ready to buy. Now that he knows I'm going to deal with the Kirby tomorrow he's on the web looking up stuff!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Mwind076 View Post

      Too late, he's already hunting down a gun. We stopped by a shop today, and he was ready to buy. Now that he knows I'm going to deal with the Kirby tomorrow he's on the web looking up stuff!
      Thats always fun, dream shopping when you know you can spend money...lol! Good for him!
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Reminds me of this one time back in the late 80's when my neighbor kicked some salesman's a$$ for trying to sell meat out of a pickup truck. Good times.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Reminds me of this one time back in the late 80's when my neighbor kicked some salesman's a$$ for trying to sell meat out of a pickup truck. Good times.

      Sheeesh, nothin like a little good redneck fun, at the expense of a guy who's just trying to make a living for his family, huh?
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Sheeesh, nothin like a little good redneck fun, at the expense of a guy who's just trying to make a living for his family, huh?

        The salesman was a pushy jerk that kept targeting the neighborhood, apparently my neighbor was having a bad day (lol). Sometimes when people say no thanks, that doesn't mean keep coming back.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Sheeesh, nothin like a little good redneck fun, at the expense of a guy who's just trying to make a living for his family, huh?
        Nearly everyone that has a story about salesmen, says that they bodily threw a salesman out the door. I've even had people tell me that story when I was the salesman, and they just forgot it was me.

        The reality is that I've never had it happen to me, or anyone I've hired, or any salesman I've ever asked about it.

        It's a common myth. Remember; Everyone is either the hero or the victim of their story. It's right up there with teenagers telling people that they know Karate, and that their hands are registered weapons. Another myth.

        I once was going to demonstrate a vacuum cleaner to a man in an apartment that was pretty seedy. He told me that he used to sell the same vacuum cleaner. I said "Really, how many did you sell?" He said "52 my first week, and 50 my second week".

        OK, here's a reality. I was a prolific salesman when selling vacuum cleaners. I have a street in my town where every single homeowner bought from me. I sold 26 in a row once. I was the keynote speaker at the company event. Twice. The only reason I didn't speak again, was that the troops were getting pretty tired of me ranting on about how easy selling is.

        Ready? My absolute best week I sold 12 machines. Five days, 12 machines. I worked more than 12 hours a day, and (I think) I missed one of the sales.

        If people were simply lining up at your door to buy, you couldn't sell fifty machines in a week. It's a physical impossibility.

        But if you have no knowledge of how something works, every claim is equally believable. Human nature is fun to watch.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


          If people were simply lining up at your door to buy, you couldn't sell fifty machines in a week. It's a physical impossibility.

          But if you have no knowledge of how something works, every claim is equally believable. Human nature is fun to watch.
          I find that to be the case ALOT. Thats why you see so much skepticism in alot of my posts, because like yourself, I know how the numbers work over alot of experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author Moxil
    Most of those stories sound like taking advantage of the elderly. Would have liked to read some sales that took more thinking rather than preying on old people.
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    Some crazy stuff but not so much closing the deal, one door may years ago tapping for pay TV or something hit one of those stink houses that you find now again where the animals crap all over the home and the owners live in it, well this house was a little different, the owner himself relieved himself in the corner of the room while I was there, judging by the smell and stains it was normal. From memory I still sold him and high tailed it out. Some strange critters out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Norbi
    Some great stories in here.

    I did mainly B2B, so I don't have many stories.

    The craziest thing I did in B2B was visit a merchant 23 times. He set me up perfectly during small talk by asking how times I have visited a single client before. I blurted out a number to which he responded, 'Great, I want to be that merchant you tell the story'. So religousily over the next 4 weeks, I visited daily at 1pm. On the 23rd visit (1 more than the number I said), I had the paper signed within 5 minutes, at which point he admitted he knew I embellished and just wanted to see if I was a man of my word and would follow through. He went on to say, he probably would have signed on the 4th or 5th visit.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
      Originally Posted by Norbi View Post

      Some great stories in here.

      I did mainly B2B, so I don't have many stories.

      The craziest thing I did in B2B was visit a merchant 23 times. He set me up perfectly during small talk by asking how times I have visited a single client before. I blurted out a number to which he responded, 'Great, I want to be that merchant you tell the story'. So religousily over the next 4 weeks, I visited daily at 1pm. On the 23rd visit (1 more than the number I said), I had the paper signed within 5 minutes, at which point he admitted he knew I embellished and just wanted to see if I was a man of my word and would follow through. He went on to say, he probably would have signed on the 4th or 5th visit.
      This is a great point. If a prospect trusts you and believes you they will buy. So many sales people fail to see this and end up more like the con man who has to keep moving on that was discribed above.

      Sales is easy once you stop trying to "sell".

      And to those who want to trick people into buying there are a lot more profitable ways to be a con man so stop thinking small. Being a "salesman" is a waste of their time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eddie Spangler
    This one is more along the lines of crazy vs shady, although Im sure some will
    label it shady, depends on perspective

    So Im a loan officer offering FHA refis in Denver, about 1985.
    We would call leads that had a high rate and if they were interested
    we filled out a loan package with forms and stuff and sent it to them to fill out completely and
    then our courier would pick it up and we go from there.

    I ended up calling this lady who had been drinking and shes interested
    and trying to give me some basic details so I can fill out the preliminary
    form but shes all slury and cant focus so I tell her Ill call tomorrow.

    On our second call we spoke for a while and she seemed lonley and just
    wanted to talk to someone. She made some excuse for not completing all the info I needed
    but promised if I called tomorrow she would have it.

    The next night we talked at least and hour and I finally get all the
    info and send her the package to fill out.

    A week goes by and she doesnt return loan package, not untypical, you just have
    to call them again to prod them. Upon calling she is apologetic and
    says that her current lender is going to give her the same deal and
    she was embarrased to call me becasue I was so nice and spent so much time
    with her.

    She offered to buy me drinks and I accept figuring at least I get something
    out of this and she seemed friendly enough. When we met she was kinda what I expected:
    homely looking but very nice.

    Also as predicted she was lonely and was very aggressive and suggestive over drinks.
    I was trying to help lower her interest rate and she was
    trying to raise mine.


    Now normally she was not my type BUT there was the matter of a 1k commission on the line:rolleyes:
    so I did what I had to do and went back to her place where
    we "did the deed"
    I also got the signed application from her before leaving
    her house that evening.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      I used to finance my vacuum cleaners through a local finance company.
      The manager arranged to give me a list of every loan they had that was about to be paid off in a month or two. This ended up being a perfect prospecting list, for the following reasons;

      1) They were automatically approved. There was no guessing if the company would finance them.
      2) I knew that they would finance through a finance company. And I knew they were used to the interest rate.
      3) I knew that they had a monthly payment for more than the payment would be if they bought from me. And this payment would dissapear in a month or two. My payment wouldn't start for 90 days. Perfect timing.
      4) I knew they were used to financing smaller purchases.
      5) I knew they liked the finance company, and my using the company would be a plus.


      The deal was that I could not, in any way, disclose that the manager gave me their information. I can't remember precise numbers, but I remember that for several months, sales were incredibly easy. I remember that almost everyone on the list, that let me show them my vacuum, bought. The manager eventually got transfered, and I agreed not to ask the new manager, as I'm sure this was against their rules. Maybe even illegal. I don't think I would make an arrangement like that today, but he and I were buddies, and did each other favors all the time.

      If I remember correctly, he was the one that brought up the idea, to increase net deal flow. This was a few decades ago.
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    • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
      Originally Posted by Eddie Spangler View Post

      Also as predicted she was lonely and was very aggressive and suggestive over drinks.
      I was trying to help lower her interest rate and she was
      trying to raise mine.


      Now normally she was not my type BUT there was the matter of a 1k commission on the line:rolleyes:
      so I did what I had to do and went back to her place where
      we "did the deed"
      I also got the signed application from her before leaving
      her house that evening.
      Eddie, you're a male bimbo!
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        Originally Posted by SirThomas View Post

        Eddie, you're a male bimbo!
        We are going to have to refer to him as Deuce Bigalow
        from here on out :p
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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by Eddie Spangler View Post

      Now normally she was not my type BUT there was the matter of a 1k commission on the line:rolleyes:
      so I did what I had to do and went back to her place where
      we "did the deed"
      I also got the signed application from her before leaving
      her house that evening.
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    You guys are crazy!
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