What Is "Selling A Commodity"?

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I am going to buy a piece of software that turns cassette tapes into cds and mp3's and equalizes out all the tape sounds and hiss...

This is going to solve a huge problem for me.

I would call it a commodity. Would you?

I also have camtasia studio installed on my computer... I would call that a commodity. It has been highly useful.

Camtasia solves a big problem for me, that doesnt mean it solves every problem I ever had in the entire universe....Im thankful for it solving the problem that it solves though.

I also have a file sharing account that solves a problem for me...

Others sell software designed to help people create lead lists and laser targeted call sheets.

Kind of a commodity... Yet it solves a problem.

So what is the issue with selling a "package", such as a web design or seo package, that solves a problem?

What many call a "commodity" around here...

Cannot a commodity be a solution?

Think about that one.

Edit: Also what do you compare a "commodity" to? A "customized solution"?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    A commodity is what suspects and prospects aggressively try to simplify your solution to.

    Thus the important of a Unique Selling Proposition.

    You have to have a edge that your target market appreciates and biases them towards doing business with you.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

      A commodity is what suspects and prospects aggressively try to simplify your solution to.

      Thus the important of a Unique Selling Proposition.

      You have to have a edge that your target market appreciates and biases them towards doing business with you.
      Indeed. But if your package has that edge and is geared toward helping their demographic solve a specific problem... Then its all good, why not sell a predefined "package", or "commodity"?
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      • Profile picture of the author Rearden
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Indeed. But if your package has that edge and is geared toward helping their demographic solve a specific problem... Then its all good, why not sell a predefined "package", or "commodity"?
        Depends on what the prospect feels is or isn't important.

        Which depends on how you differentiate and position the solution as a salesperson.
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

      A commodity is what suspects and prospects aggressively try to simplify your solution to.

      Thus the important of a Unique Selling Proposition.

      You have to have a edge that your target market appreciates and biases them towards doing business with you.
      i agree with that.

      But any sort of commodity is really not that good, well on the surface. All it has is a name and a face...really. its basically all 'here say' unless you can show them that EDGE as you say. SHOW THEM DA PROOF! that what you have works.

      I have some morons come to my house, they try to sell me stuff.... oh chit,.... they are messing with the wrong dude! Jessssusszzzz ha ha. lol

      I say, straight away "awesome buddy, now show me the PROOF!" they normally respond with either repeating the stupid features, or trying to spin some B.S. story...that it WILL WORK!....

      ha ha yeah right!!!!

      I reply with.... , "Oh maybe you didnt understand me, now show me the PROOF!" They stand there dumbfounded, and look in the air while I gently close the door. HA HA HA!

      PROOF in this sceptical world is the EDGE you are talking about. PROOF is what shuts off the skeptical mentality in the buyers mind. PROOF is what makes your commodity much more valuable to you and your prospects.

      PROOF can triple your sales quickly. When I could do this, the lightbulb went off. I can shut salesmen down in about 7 seconds with this "Sure buddy!, show me the proof please!" and when someone did this to me, a few years ago, I was gutted....LOL....but I thank this man everyday. It was like it set off a lightbulb in my head. It totally changed the way I do business and sell my commodity!!! And increased my sales and my sales point entirely.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Oil paint is a commodity. Canvas is a commodity. Art is not. But it's just a combination of commodities. Now it's art.

        See the letters I'm typing now? They are the same as every other letter, spelling any word you see on this forum. But the correct combination of letters can make a whole lot of difference.

        Is aspirin a commodity? Maybe. But you go to a doctor, and he prescribes aspirin.....the aspirin is still a commodity, but the prescription is not.

        I'm not selling aspirin, I'm selling my ability to write the correct perscription. And the more I know about my client, and the more I can match my perscription to them, the more the perscription is worth.

        Even though every perscription will be for aspirin.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sue Bruce
        Did a whitepaper on this.

        Every product or service is a commodity,(almost).

        In order to sell you a commodity, say a website, I will give you added value (free updates, expert designers, re-design at a discounted rate, etc)

        I've turned my commodity into a very valuable service. Now I'm different from the other web design companies who will charge you $100/hr. to make a few changes.The re-design option applies for the life of the website hosting.

        I don't have to compete on lowest price because I have added value. I'm unique in my local area (although still working on USP thanks to Ewen) because it really is the basis of all your advertising efforts.

        So, in answer to your question, I would say a commodity is a product or service that doesn't offer uniqueness. You are not differentiating yourself from every Joe Blow who is selling your product/service.

        Love you on your good days.

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        • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
          Isn't it funny but one of the definitions of commodity is:

          A useful or valuable thing, such as water or time.

          Can one conclude if it has value it is a commodity? If it is valuable can it be sold? I wonder if saying 'selling anything of value' answers the question?

          Just asking...

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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by sandalwood View Post

            Isn't it funny but one of the definitions of commodity is:

            A useful or valuable thing, such as water or time.

            Can one conclude if it has value it is a commodity? If it is valuable can it be sold? I wonder if saying 'selling anything of value' answers the question?

            Just asking...

            Tom
            Tom; I always thought of a commodity as something that is seen as exactly the same, no matter who sells it. Software, as John pointed out, is a good example. Products by model number, I'm sure there are more examples.

            But software installed is worth more. Identical products shipped quicker are worth more. To me, it's very rare to see a true commodity. The salesman in me keeps looking for benefits and "fitting it to the customer".
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            • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Tom; I always thought of a commodity as something that is seen as exactly the same, no matter who sells it. Software, as John pointed out, is a good example. Products by model number, I'm sure there are more examples.

              But software installed is worth more. Identical products shipped quicker are worth more. To me, it's very rare to see a true commodity. The salesman in me keeps looking for benefits and "fitting it to the customer".
              Claude,

              I agree with you. My answer was strickly to answer the question. And, to me, to do that I had to know what in the world a commodity is. I feel certain everything talked about showed the types of commodities but didn't answer the question. They only showed the types of commodities. Picking nits for sure but what the hell, my Sooners won so I've got nothing better to do.

              In order to sell those "commodities" they have to have value. Hence what was mentioned all had value and could be sold. Even rocks have value. My neighbor just bought some for his front yard.

              I don't think it is rare to see a true commodity unless that commodity is oxygen. Several people at the gym tote their oxygen bottles with them. Hell, I've even seen people w/their oxygen bottles sitting at a slot machine w/a drink in one hand and a cigarrete in the other.
              Regardless, the commodity oxygen is indeed a true commodity. It has value and it can be sold/bought.

              Watch American Pickers and listen to some of their opening verbiage. Commodity selling at its finest. Oh yeah, Pawn Stars too. All kinds of commodities floating around the heavens.

              Again, just my 2¢. I won it off a slot machine w/o any accompanying oxygen, booze or a cigarrete btw.

              Have a great day...

              Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author Colm Whelan
    "Commodity" has overtones of "mass-produced", "cheap" "one-size-fits-all". A bushel of wheat is a bushel of wheat with the only differentiation being price in fractions of a percentage.

    That's a good thing in some cases - just ask WalMart

    However if you you're trying to position yourself as a purveyor of cusotmised, quality, differentiated product then commidty is not a word you want used about you

    Toilet brushes solve a specific problem - but try differentiating.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    I just saw you answer BAYO in my thread here ==> http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...e-leads-2.html

    he edited and posted a much more lengthy reply to your reply.

    I have camtasia on my machine, and I am not camtasia guru and some of my videos are even just ugly, but I cannot tell you how much money this awesome piece of software has made me, especially as I am several clickbank niches as well. One of them entirely video based!!!

    I use to trade commodities on the stock market John. I was what you call an average trader. I never did that well, however I never lost out big time or blew up my accounts like you hear those nightmare stories.

    But with the commodity market you are trying to buy low and then sell higher.

    With the commodities on the offline world you offering a seo package, design service or whatever for a good price point, and if you know this is going to help enrich or make a business money you can put a nice price tag on it.

    Where I think the real power comes in, is to use FRANK KERNS online tactics offline. YES! shock...you can actually do that? WHOA!? LOL....yes you can!

    Its call results in advance.

    So you have your commodity, it does not matter what it is....anything at all. But if you can show them value in your stuff, by giving them real examples..... I use.

    1) Nice customer testimonials (video, audio and straight text)

    2) Show them processes or your thing in action.

    3) GIVE THEM PROOF! This is a big one for me, because proof is where the BIG MONEY LIES!

    4) The price of your commodity (what you have no offer) is going UP AND UP AND UP!! Each day.


    Do this, and you are making it harder for them to say NO!

    I sell web design and VERY EXPENSIVE seo packages myself, and these are actually a commodity and do solve a problem faced by many. I think the real power with this lies in showing them RESULTS IN ADVANCE.... remember every one these days have at least a bit of skeptical mentality... so if you can show them proof, how good your commodity is, show them what others (your current customers) are saying about your commodity, then you are half way there!!!

    I have learnt over the years, we should have an issue with the commodity itself. And say one commodity is better than the other! You should be trying to put the shine on your commodity, doing things in your day to make that commodity easier to sell!

    I am serious, my sales quadrupled, when i got my commodites and went hard core in not trying to sell them, but to show PROOF and give leads RESULTS in advance (just like KERN DOES)

    Most of your clients have one question rattling around upstairs. That is "Sure! But is this really gunna work for me, where is the PROOF!"

    Well show them! Take that question out of their head. You have this commodity, but show them its TRUE VALUE with hard core PROOF!

    I do not care how good you are at selling a commodity, or writing copy for your commodity...that means chit when it comes to getting a sale. If you can show them proof your commodity is actually a commodity i.e. worth something, and can prove it is gunna help their business just watch how much easier it is to get a sale.

    We all wants results in advance right? we all want to know, "hey if I buy this stuff, is it gunna work"

    The power is in the PROOF of your commodity. Too many people get caught up in the commodity itself, or tell themself that a certain type of commodity will NOT SELL.

    That is PURE B.S. I have sold many things, here and there, but when I concentrated on SEO and DESIGN packages on the PROOF SIDE! WOW the results were staggering....it is a commodity, and what makes it such a better more powerful commodity is that I can show proof that is works, with customer testimonials, show examples, and give them proof that what I have on offer works.

    As I said KERN calls this "results in advance". its not WHAT YOU SELL....the power is THE PROOF that what you are selling is (a) gunna work, and (b) make them money or (c) help and enrich their lives.

    Take your pick!

    I think I got sidetracked a little here....ha ha LOL, but You get my drift! Get your commodity and work it, and show people proof (that yes it actually does work) and watch what this does to your sales. Makes it harder for them to say NO! And more YES'es mean more sales and profits for you! *insert cheeky grin here please*
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      Most of your clients have one question rattling around upstairs. That is "Sure! But is this really gunna work for me, where is the PROOF!"

      Well show them! Take that question out of their head. You have this commodity, but show them its TRUE VALUE with hard core PROOF!

      As I said KERN calls this "results in advance". its not WHAT YOU SELL....the power is THE PROOF that what you are selling is (a) gunna work, and (b) make them money or (c) help and enrich their lives.

      Take your pick!
      There are flashes of brilliance in your post. I wish I would have thought of it first.
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  • Profile picture of the author Liz Morgan
    Selling commodities is always possible... the more marketing volume, the more will be sold. But better positioning just improves return on time invested. Perception is a huge sales tool.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    You guys are looking at it all wrong.

    *** YOU ***

    the sales person, the consultant .. the whatever you call yourself.

    You are the commodity. You are the solution.

    Sell yourself.

    Your knowledge and your application of the knowledge is the key.

    but they will never know that, until you sell yourself.

    then and only then will they be open to the obvious.

    and you will be wealthy.
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    • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      You guys are looking at it all wrong.

      *** YOU ***

      the sales person, the consultant .. the whatever you call yourself.

      You are the commodity. You are the solution.

      Sell yourself.

      Your knowledge and your application of the knowledge is the key.

      but they will never know that, until you sell yourself.

      then and only then will they be open to the obvious.

      and you will be wealthy.
      Glad to see you are feeling better. We had a bug running around up here too. What you write is spot on. There can only be one commodity in this game and that is YOU. Everything else is merely a tool to get from here to there.

      Endeavor couldn't have orbited the earth w/o one or more YOUs turning a commodity into a flying machine. Easy to forget isn't it?
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  • Profile picture of the author hayfj2
    For me,

    selling a commodity is when you present yourself as a salesman and what you HAVE to offer. There's very little to differentiate your offer from others. Many promote their "commodity" on broadcast mode such as email, telemarketing or direct mail and place little or no emphasis on their pain solving USP.

    people often turn what they have to offer into a "commodity" when they stop asking questions in their marketing and keep telling people what it is they HAVE (for sale.)

    Very few take the time to ENGAGE with the client and want to fully understand their needs to tailor or personalise their offer specifically for a prospect's needs, no. In the main, they tend to sell on PRICE, (features and benefits) and NOT take time identifying prospect's pain or the value of what they offer.

    They tend not to have a pain based selling approach, and it tends to be a numbers game, by broadcasting it all out there with little targetting.

    (but thats only my take on it, and I could be wrong of course )

    regards


    Fraser


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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by hayfj2 View Post

      For me, selling a commodity is when you present yourself as a salesman and what you HAVE to offer.
      That's it! Salesmen offer commodities, Advisors offer solutions.

      Combining this little thread of clarity along with what Ken said, gets my vote for Best Aha moment (for Claude) of the month. Ken...Fraser...I thank you.
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      • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
        Great discussion guys!

        Another way to look at what commodities are and what are the polar opposite...

        is how easily one can be replaced now, and how difficult
        it would be for a competitor to come in and take you out now and in the future.

        That's an acid test.

        Best,
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Commodity is a ubiquitous product or service widely available - especially with the supply of said product or service being relative to the demand for it. The more widely available a product or service (in category), the more of a "commodity" it becomes. Particularly when the primary differentiation becomes price-focused (buy more of it, get a cheaper price... buy mine and I'll charge you less...)

    If you're selling a "commodity" product or service (like SEO or web development), there are indeed ways to differentiate yourself to stand above the crowd... which is the "augmented product". That's the extra value-add you get when you buy a particular provider's rendition of the core, commodity product or service. Then, over that layer is brand. Brand is the embodiment of the customer's unique experience with the combined package of core commodity product or service, along with the value-added stuffs, wrapped in a tidy package with a pretty bow.
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