Went back to a day job. Here's why.

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I spent the last year and a half freelancing as a video editor/graphic artist after I lost my job. I had planned on keeping my job for another 2 years while learning about marketing and saving up money to start a proper business, but that plan got interrupted. Suddenly I found myself in the scramble for survival. I had no computer, no savings and no real plan in place.

After securing access to equipment in exchange for a discount freelance rate I started pulling in video work with my friends video production company. I helped with his marketing (redesigned his website, got him on the first page of google, helped with his promotions), but the thing I realized is that he had no real "plan" for his business. I tried to help him figure out his target market and idea prospect and his lifetime value of a customer. Most of these things fell on deaf ears for the first 6-7 months. To boot, I only got paid when he had something for me, so I found myself on the short end of the stick every month. I started doing some agressive online marketing for us (facebook, email, craigslist) and pulled in some video work here and there.

I attempted to incorporate video marketing into his list of services, but he didn't really get it nor was interested in selling it. I made a few sales on my own and gave him a percentage for using his equipment.

I also tried to sell website design on my own, but I only know the basics of wordpress. I sold about 5 simple wordpress sites through word of mouth.

At the same time I learned about lead generation via video marketing and decided to give that a try. I earned a commission on several leads I generated for him so I know that it works. I plan on expanding on that, but that's for another post.

I also set up my own business to do direct mail (bob ross method) when I realized that I suck at cold calling and walk in sales. I am terrible at talking to business owners. I would get so nervous I would get sick to my stomach. I eventually got better but never secured enough advertisers to pull it off before my car troubles. (I am actually very good at dealing with clients in my video business, they come to me and I feel confident because I know that I know how to provide what they need. Confidence in your product is key, I learned that lesson.)

Between trying to finish video jobs and car troubles that left me bumming rides I had to put my prospecting on hold. My friend was not very supportive of me attempting to strike out on my own. He was very negative and wanted me to help with his business as he started to see his revenue drying up. I had started to build a clientele who came for my video work and were starting to come to me for marketing advice as well. Some people thought I ran the place and that didn't sit well with him. I do have a take charge attitude about my work. He also resented that I kept telling him "how to run his business" or as I like to call it, sharing basic marketing and business advice. Now mind you we have been friends for about 15 years, but he majored in video production and I majored in business (computer information systems, with mostly a focus on business). So I approach things from a business point of view.

The final straw came when my friend bungled several deals that I would have been essential in pulling off (meaning I would get paid the lions share as I was doing most of the work and they were asking for me personally). I was down to my last dollar after getting my car fixed and one of the producers on the bungled deal asked me if I knew any editors because they were hiring. I decided to go for it. It's entry level, and it's where I was 10 years ago, but anything is better than starving, it will at least keep a roof over my head and they are flexible about my hours.

So now I am in debt up to my eyebrows. I have a low paying entry level job and amazingly, my buddy has a fair bit of freelance work for me. The plan is to get back on my feet financially, pay off my debts. Work on my lead generation site, video marketing services and direct mail co-op advertising in 2013.

I've been reading these threads and I think this guy knows the score.
http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...s-nothing.html

You have to want it. I'm not giving up, I'm just dealing with a setback. I know all of these things can and do work and that I can build a viable business, but sometimes you reach a point where you have to regroup.
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  • Profile picture of the author leslieyoung
    For me I prefer a day job work because this kind of schedule makes me very productive.
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Man...

      That sucks but at least you're able to do what you need to in order to have a place to live.

      You said you sucked at cold calling... I sucked too.. hell, I still might suck at it when I hear some of the things phone pros talk about on here. The only thing is, I understand that X amount of calls = X amount of sales ultimately. It takes time for you to really understand that, and believe it. The same thing is applied to nearly every marketing technique.

      Anyway, I can't help but feel that you lost your job and got another job with your friend. The only difference is, since you were a friend, you didn't really get paid like you should. You were relying on someone elses business in order to grow your own, but it didn't work.

      I understand, you have to do what you have to do. If you were able to redesign HIS website, handle promotions, SEO the site, etc. then why can't you do it for other people?

      If I were consulting you, or taking you under my wing... I would tell you to ditch the friend. STOP calling yourself a freelancer, and START owning your own business, even if it isn't a REAL business, you have to treat it and call it one.

      You know... I was in a position where I couldn't take another job. If I did have that luxury, I'd be in much better shape (maybe). Having something steady, while saving up to invest in marketing or getting deals on the side would have allowed me to grow much faster. Sometimes... you have to take a step back in order to move forward.

      Good luck.. Use this time to build up your confidence, and start working on generating income for YOUR BUSINESS. I bet pretty soon you will be doing it full time again, and not for your friend.
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      • Profile picture of the author swilliams09
        Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

        Man...

        That sucks but at least you're able to do what you need to in order to have a place to live.

        You said you sucked at cold calling... I sucked too.. hell, I still might suck at it when I hear some of the things phone pros talk about on here. The only thing is, I understand that X amount of calls = X amount of sales ultimately. It takes time for you to really understand that, and believe it. The same thing is applied to nearly every marketing technique.

        Anyway, I can't help but feel that you lost your job and got another job with your friend. The only difference is, since you were a friend, you didn't really get paid like you should. You were relying on someone elses business in order to grow your own, but it didn't work.

        I understand, you have to do what you have to do. If you were able to redesign HIS website, handle promotions, SEO the site, etc. then why can't you do it for other people?

        If I were consulting you, or taking you under my wing... I would tell you to ditch the friend. STOP calling yourself a freelancer, and START owning your own business, even if it isn't a REAL business, you have to treat it and call it one.

        You know... I was in a position where I couldn't take another job. If I did have that luxury, I'd be in much better shape (maybe). Having something steady, while saving up to invest in marketing or getting deals on the side would have allowed me to grow much faster. Sometimes... you have to take a step back in order to move forward.

        Good luck.. Use this time to build up your confidence, and start working on generating income for YOUR BUSINESS. I bet pretty soon you will be doing it full time again, and not for your friend.
        You know, one of the things I picked up from your other posts is treating your business AS A BUSINESS. Most of what I see around here is that key lack of understanding, and until I got to see first hand how someone can treat their business as a job or as a hustle, I was in the same mentality. It was just about getting enough money to pay the next bill. It wasn't about building revenue streams, or planning your marketing, or defining your niche. It was just, who can I sell to right now to get money.

        I'm going to retool my business and my website and really focus on laying down a strong foundation that I can build on. I got pushed in before I was ready and I kept bobbing beneath the waves. At this stage of life it's hard to deal with that, especially when you have dependents. The stress was enormous. I'm in my 30s and got my first grey hairs this year. There were times where I at ramen for weeks on end.

        And while I won't be ditching my friend completely (I'm still doing some work for him and still using his equipment), I get what you are saying. I will be focusing on building my business and any work he sends my way will just be extra money to help me grow.

        Thanks for your great posts and keep making them!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kung Fu Backlinks
    That was a great share, and I'm glad you decided to post this. I certainly would have done the same thing. Isn't great you can now breathe a little, pay some bills and not be so stressed? No doubt, you'll be sleeping better and thinking more clearly. Your business can now be developed on the side, and you can make decisions based on what's best for the business rather than making decisions just to meet more immediate financial needs. I wish I had had that luxury lol. Congrats, man. Glad to hear things worked out.
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  • Profile picture of the author W Wattles Fan
    I don't blame you for getting employment again. I am in a similar situation to you but still dream on a daily basis of 'making it' by myself. I am in the process of making an idea I have in to reality.

    Never ever give up completely on your dreams. I have met many people who have made ALOT of money and are unassuming types who you would never believe have made big money. It is there to be made... I have no doubt.

    Invest a little money into your ideas and then expand it quickly to seize the moment when it works out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    So basically you didn't have the support--financial, equipment, friendship--and you don't know how to sell.

    I feel for ya. This is why technical skills alone are not sufficient to succeed in business.
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    • Profile picture of the author swilliams09
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      So basically you didn't have the support--financial, equipment, friendship--and you don't know how to sell.

      I feel for ya. This is why technical skills alone are not sufficient to succeed in business.

      I agree. Technical skills aren't enough. Especially when coupled with not having a real defined plan supported by proper research and an understanding of how business works.

      I've gotten better at selling, I realized that the key for me is being confident in what I'm selling. When it comes to selling video, I'm very confident. When it came to selling direct mail...not so much because I hadn't actually done it before! See, I've been making videos and commercials since I was 19, I've done probably 500+ video projects. But had never even created or sent a direct mail piece and here I was trying to sell a concept that I only thought would work because other people told me it did. Of course I was nervous. I didn't know what the hell I was doing. Once I realized that was my main issue, I went back and did more research to bolster my confidence. I also offered a money back guarantee which put the people at ease. I still have a lot more to learn about selling, and I hear you have some good posts on it. I'll have to check out your threads. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author GloShivWeb
    Great Share! Re-Enforces the saying " Don't Give Up Your Day Job" or evening job in my case. I am hoping what I do on the internet will add to my financial stability in Retirement!
    Looking forward to that day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan R
    Hey, my day job is the number one reason for success.

    The more time I spend here, the harder I work to get out of here!

    Best of luck with your projects and keep on truckin'
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  • Profile picture of the author rolough
    Thanks for sharing. Yeah, it can be done, but it's not easy. Best of luck to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob28x
    I am kind of in the same boat, I have been trying to get something going with marketing, but haven't made any money with it yet. I was looking to get a job, had a few offers but nothing I wanted to do so I passed on them. So I am at the point where I am going to just sack up, stop procrastinating and actually make something of myself with sales/marketing instead of just dreaming about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by Rob28x View Post

      I am kind of in the same boat, I have been trying to get something going with marketing, but haven't made any money with it yet. I was looking to get a job, had a few offers but nothing I wanted to do so I passed on them. So I am at the point where I am going to just sack up, stop procrastinating and actually make something of myself with sales/marketing instead of just dreaming about it.
      Grr. Dreaming about it??

      The days are going to go by, unless you drop dead, whether you do something or not. Whether you fail or not. Whether you move ahead or not.

      Use the days. They'll go by. Do you remember what happened a month ago? I don't, not really. My thoughts are on the near future. What I have to do next to get to where I want to go.

      Dreaming by itself takes us nowhere.

      The days are going to pass. Make use of them, or lose them. So you have a couple tough days on the phone. Big deal. Then they're in the past. Then you start getting better with your new SKILL.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sue Bruce
      Maybe no one has told you yet, there are no friends in business.

      We've had two of our stars reply to your thread. Lucky night!

      J's thread may sound a little harsh but he's right. You have to have everything working together.

      Beg or borrow the support you need. Contact those you respect and ask for a half an hour. You have the breathing room now to do this.

      You're lucky, some of us had to sink or swim.

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      • Profile picture of the author bschott
        Don't give up just get yourself together and come at it again. I know several people who have made it in business and it is hard. One of them is a billonare. They all have one thing in common, they all failed at least twice.
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        • Profile picture of the author webvidman
          Thank you for sharing your experience. I believe most of us have had similiar problems and kept on driving forward. You can turn your dreams into reality if you stay focused and keep trying. If one thing doesnt work, try something else. The colonal from kfc went to over a thousand different restaurants until he found one that would use his recipe and pay him a commssion. He went on to become a multi millionair. Work, recoup, and keep driving for your dream. Anything worth having is worth working hard for.
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  • Profile picture of the author swilliams09
    Final update. On one of those"bungled" jobs...I did the work, the bungling was on getting the check. It's been a month and a half and we got the check today. When I got here to his office this evening I had a check for 5 grand waiting on me. I also got an email from a client for a decent sized job. I am gonna be able to pay off my debts quicker than expected and be able to get back on it. Never giving up.
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    • Profile picture of the author swilliams09
      Originally Posted by magestore View Post

      I prefer working for myself
      Me too. I'm already at the point where I'm thinking..."I have to sit here to get paid? I have to stay right here even if I have nothing to do? I can't work on anything else? I don't get more money for bringing in new work? Not even a percentage? This is bullcrap."
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      • Profile picture of the author Christian H
        Originally Posted by swilliams09 View Post

        Me too. I'm already at the point where I'm thinking..."I have to sit here to get paid? I have to stay right here even if I have nothing to do? I can't work on anything else? I don't get more money for bringing in new work? Not even a percentage? This is bullcrap."
        I added you on Skype.

        Talk to meee!
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  • Profile picture of the author mrinternational
    Base hit first, home run second, you need a constant stream of cash first before you should be thinking of the one you hit out of the park.
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