Pitch Anything Oren Klaff Interview Video

I've googled a lot of his interviews both video and audio after reading his book. It's the same info of course, maybe one or two were really above par. The one you posted I saw about a month ago and it annoyed the hell out of me because every time it looked like Oren was about to say something golden, the host jumps in and finishes what he thinks is the thought. Hate it when the student thinks they can answer for the teacher.

I was writing my pitch today as a matter of fact.

myself and some of my members purchased the course as well but I haven't had the chance to dive in it yet. I read the book many times over and love it but there's so much content in the pitch mastery product I just haven't had time to go through it yet.

I'm a pretty die hard 'straight line persuasion' jordan belfort guy so I'm not sure this will live up to that but probably comes in a close second IMHO.

Thanks for posting the video interview. I've heard a lot about the book but haven't bought it yet.

Or maybe no thanks ... now I'm watching the interview instead of getting other things done .

And I have to agree with misterme about the constant interruptions ... more like Klaff is the straightman for Jarvis .

Marvin

Herb Cohen's "Negotiate This!" is good, too.

Claude,

After you mentioned this book in another thread I went and bought it.

Amazing!!!

Thanks

Seb

STaylor; I agree with most of what you say. The techniques taught by these guys do work. But they only work because the guy is doing something.
And doing something always works better than doing nothing.
But there are several ideas in these Seduction books that are straight out of marketing books.

I have a series of DVDs from Ross Jeffries. Frankly, I couldn't stomach watching the whole thing. But I read the book The Mystery Method, and it actually has a great many positioning (no pun intended) methods that I know work, in business as well as in picking up women.

Here is the flaw in the argument for or against these "Pick up artists"
Do their methods work better than doing nothing? Absolutely. Do they work better than being a good looking, healthy,intelligent, caring person? No. These methods are for the purpose of getting attention and then sleeping with the girl. Nothing more.
They don't work on every woman, the same way a sales close doesn't work on every prospect. But women like attention as much as men.

And here is a reality, my dear young men, if the lady isn't interested in going home with someone, it really isn't going to happen. I'm old, but I wasn't always.

Will these "pickup methods" work? Yes. They work on girls that are interested in going home with someone (or at least lean that way) anyway. These methods will assist in them choosing you.

What guys don't realize is that while you are out looking for a "date", girls are out looking for the same thing. Really. These methods work becauese you happened to find someone who was attracted to you anyway. The "Mystery Method" will just break the ice. And make you interesting for a few minutes. Like the headline of a good sales letter.

About the Alpha male thing?

Every group has a leader. It simply happens. None of us are equal. There is always a strongest, tallest, shortest, fattest, loudest, shyest, meanest, most insecure, stupidest...person in every group. In every size group. Every company, family, organization, gang, commitee, posse, high school class, ...has a leader. In huge groups, it may take longer to find, but there is always someone that everyone knows is in charge. It isn't always the boss, it isn't always a man.

In a small group, like a sales presentation, or a jury...this selection process happens fast.
We deny it, but we deny it with the reasoning part of the brain. And it's all happening with the most primitive part of the brain. We don't like it, it isn't "civilized"... but it's real.

There are many things that happen naturally to choose the leader, even the pecking order. But you can temporarily disrupt this natural occurence.

"Framing" is one way, maybe the best way. Even if nobody learns it as a technique, it happens anyway, unconsciously. You cannot see it if you are in the group. But watching from outside? It becomes obvious.

The "Pick up" books really just talk about artificially making you interesting to a girl. I imagine (because I've never actually been a woman, but I married one) that many girls recognize that the young man is trying some technique. They go along with it because they don't care.

And I will say this STaylor, talking about these things is far far different from actually experiencing them. I use sales technigues every day that are invisible to the consumer. But if I told them what I was doing, they would deny that they would work...all day long. I speak from experience.

If you are a 20 year old guy, these methods are attractive, because they help your confidence, and give you something to say...something to do.
And the principles work. But they aren't magic, and they are like crutches.
If you can't stand on your own, they help. But they aren't going to help you win a race.
And Ross Jeffries and his "hypnotize women to get them excited" stuff is embarrassing. I know some of it is based on real science..but I feel like taking a shower every time I hear him talk.

But if I were a 20 year old ? Pretty exciting stuff.

There are those who say "that doesn't work on me, I'm intelligent" but the thing is, it has nothing to do with intelligence but with emotional health. As such, it deals on a hard wired human basis rooted in evolution. It's not a choice. For example, when it's overdone or done arrogantly, it backfires. Emotionally healthy people are turned off by arrogance and obnoxious behavior. It's as hard wired in us as being turned off by spoiling food.

However, when it's done correctly, it works because it's demonstrating a good natured self-confidence, self-esteem, self-worth and a sense of humor, which are all healthy, attractive traits to emotionally healthy people. Neediness, submissiveness, and low self-worth are not attractive to emotionally healthy people, but repulsive. No emotionally healthy person naturally wants to get involved with a needy person just as much as no healthy person finds a sickly person attractive. This is our survival response at work: attracted to healthy, avoidance of dangers. The only people a needy person finds attractive is yet another needy person for the obvious but unhealthy reason: They NEED someone. Dependency, co-dependency, these are all unattractive traits. And since healthy people stay away from others exhibiting needy, clinging behavior, it leaves those who cling, to cling to each other.

And when healthy emotional behavior is engaged in but its receiver balks against it, the problem isn't with the healthy person - the issue is with the receiver. Often, a dominant, controlling type person prefers a more submissive personality, so they'll object to someone who doesn't submit to them. But that's okay because the healthy behavior is doing its job in attracting only healthy others and repelling unhealthy others away. In business, this would be the equivalent to having the prospect disqualify themselves.

I never became a proponent of NLP but I'd say how something is phrased or presented, the words which are used; their inferences, certainly helps to form any frame.

You know what might be a good companion to Oren Klaff's principles might be Sally Hogshead's "Fascination." What is it that makes someone interested, makes them seek further information, makes them want to buy and pay more for the privilege? She says there are 7 triggers to fascinate people. Check it out.

I don't know about you, and sure there's always yet one more nuance to learn, but you notice these guys don't need to watch too many other guys, read too many other books, before they become wildly successful? Klaff borrowing from the Mystery Method, Belfort from a Lehman's telephone soliciting manual?

And if that's not enough, then Belfort saying a secret to his success is you gotta build rapport. Klaff saying a secret to his success is don't build rapport, it's bs, set the frame instead. Which way is up again?

For anyone interested in hearing more, here's a brand new audio with Oren I found out about.

He did an interview with Glenn Livingston who's hands down one of the best marketing guys out there right now IMO:
MP3: "Pitch Anything" Author Masterfully Puts Glenn and Ryan in Their Place | GlennLivingston.com

As Glenn himself uncandidly said: