John Durham: Entrepreneur, Telemarketing Expert, Warrior … OWNER OF MANY FAILURES.

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Hey Warriors, I want to share something that is very close to my heart right now. This post isn’t about some secret skill, strategy, or a lesson on phone sales as usual. This post is for your encouragement, so that you can see we aren’t all some kind of glamorous big deal just because we have had some successes and maybe that will help you see more for your own life.

See, I’ve posted things that help a lot of people get into telemarketing, and many of them have been able to develop some very successful businesses from it. It is awesome to see and an awesome feeling to know that through my experience I have contributed in some way, to quite a few peoples success around here by sharing my experience.

This isn’t about what I have done in my career though. This isn’t about how many sales I’ve made, or how much money I’ve made. This is a post for those of you who are struggling. We all have struggles, we all have made mistakes, and we all want to better ourselves!

When I started out I made 8 dollars per hour as a telemarketer with both a wife and daughter to support… I lived in an apartment so bad that there were HOLES in the walls. In fact several, because for our first few years starting out, we were poor! Lol Shocker, I know.

Often even 30 days behind on rent and had to move from place to place a lot, sometimes even having utilities shut off and things of that nature.… JUST LIKE MANY OF YOU!

Don’t get me wrong, I was really good on the phone, but even being the best telemarketer… it still just wasn’t enough to make it. It wasn’t till later when I put those skills to work for ME in businesses of my own.

It took me a lot of trial and error to learn to succeed, because when I was a young father and husband, from a single mother, and I didn’t really have any reference point for how to succeed.

Telemarketing seemed like a way to learn some better skills than working in a factory…but I promise you, it didn’t pay much for a few years, so in short, my journey hasn’t ALL been big and glamorous, as you may gather from the stories of success I tell that came along later.

Why am I sharing this?

Because I feel a need to… Yeah I have seen some pretty amazing things on my journey, I wont even mention figures at this point as I have posted those all about this forum, but it hasn’t been all that some of you have probably perceived of when you hear only the stories of the successes, there were plenty of failures to go along with that, and start overs... which I don’t tend to focus on, but maybe I should share more on that stuff.

Again, I wish I can tell you how my life was an easy ride and I went to sales stardom overnight, and some of you may perceive that from hearing about all these more successful endeavors, but it wasn’t like that.

Okay, so Im pretty! I have that going for me...doesn’t mean anything. Lol (Pretty bald that is).

Believe it or not, sometimes I still have tough months if I don’t work my tail off… they arent a rough as the old days by far, and they are rough in a different way, but I still have them from time to time, and its okay if you are in those positions sometimes, you CAN work from that place, and you can still achieve.

Maybe you have had a rough go of it, and you cant even stand to HEAR me tell these stories because things arent going for you the way you hear me say they have went for me…believe me, where you are… I can relate to that.

Truth is:

I’ve been from a comfortable job earning a decent living married and upwardly mobile, to being in a cold apartment wondering how I’m going to pay for my next meal more than once, then climbed back up again and built a business of my own and had great years…only to fall yet again… It happens.

Looking back, it was all a learning experience that I am grateful for, but during the hard times it was scary.

No matter what kind of business you’re going into for yourself, you will experience times that are really scary. Fear is an interesting thing though, and it keeps many people from pursuing your dreams.

I hope to help you break some of that by knowing that I have been scared a lot too in my time. I feel like a Lion today, but it grew into that feeling from being a scared little lamb. If I was always srtrong, then I wouldnt be able to help people who are afraid, because I wouldnt understand them. So I am thankful for that.

I haven’t always been an angel either for those of you who think “Oh I am not goody two shoes, I cant succeed like these preppy people…”…Lol. If you only knew…

After my first couple of telemarketing jobs, I got a lucky break and entered the music industry for 7 years, got caught up in a lifestyle, started partying hard, and was even arrested with a drug possession charge. Actually, I got 2 charges from the same instance. Luckily I didn’t go to prison!

The path I was headed, was me digging 6 feet under and I was preparing a tombstone for myself. I wasn’t responsible at all, I wasn’t heading in the direction that I wanted. Getting busted, saved my life in some senses, even though it lost me my music career.

Back then home life wasn’t all pretty either, we weren’t the brady bunch I will tell you that… I was just real determined and dedicated to success, that doesn’t mean the whole world was perfect, maybe yours isnt either, and its okay, you can still work and move forward from there.

A few nights after I got busted… I just completely broke down. I came to the realization of what my life was amounting to. Again, Looking back, I could have died and not been able to provide for my daughter, and things started finally turning around for me.

I want you to know this.

I have been walked on, beaten, arrested, called names, and I have had to start over numerous times in life in order to be able to move forward. I have been divorced, more than once (didn’t learn my lesson the first time lol).

I have had many trials as a parent as a result of those years of undignified living, and it has been tough.

Somehow though I have been able to overcome all of that and have been able to see some brilliant successes that I never even dreamed possible, and I want you to know that wherever you are coming from, you can too!

Lastly,

Yeah I know, not everything I do even today makes everyone happy.

Just know that you can’t make EVERYONE happy, and some are going to be unhappy and hate you no matter what. Some are going to despise you because of your hard times, and others will despise you if you had a silver spoon and never had a hard time in your life…All I can do is try your best.

The beauty of life is that the mistakes you make, and the failures you’ve had, you can always learn from them and better yourself.

Each and every single one of you aspiring entrepreneurs, and even those of you who have been around the block already, you all have so much power to overcome struggles. You will have struggles, I promise you that, but all of you have the ability to overcome them if you are dedicated enough.

Going from being arrested, to proudly supporting my entire family, even TWO families now, with what I have been able to achieve out of all that, is a wonderful experience. What if I would have given up? Where would I be? What stories would I have to tell? Who could I inspire? Only people who dont need it?

We’re approaching Christmas, and I just want to give you all the gift of hope. You CAN accomplish your dreams. You may even be able to do it without telemarketing.

You can put your best foot forward and prepare to crush all the road blocks that are placed in front of you. You can learn from all the struggles you have, and conquer them. When you think you’re hitting rock bottom you either keep digging or you climb out. Either way, you have the power to succeed even if it takes a couple rounds of failure, kicking your ass!

Don’t let where you are now determine where you are going, don’t let your circumstances determine who you are, because who you are can change them.
No life hasn’t been a bed of roses always… but it has also been an amazing journey, and there is more to come.

Just keep pressing toward the prize, and take it from this projects kid… The person you become along the way is damn worth it!

I swear on the Bible!

Sincerely,

John Durham - Telemarketing Warrior
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Damn.. This thread is pretty refreshing. I love the transparency and your story, it really brings specific memories back for me. I know I've told my story quite a few times on here, I was in really bad shape when I first decided to give this business a go. I climbed out of a bad situation.

    What I don't tell people as often... all the times after that, that have been struggles, and bad situations lol.

    It's much easier to talk about the good times, and when you're unstoppable. You know what though? It probably IS more beneficial for many visitors on this forum to hear about our struggles more than our successes.

    We get caught up in a lot of different techniques and strategies, that people just browsing, can't wrap their head around. Hell, I remember you and someone else talking about take overs and some other terminology I never heard of lol.

    Success... sometimes success is just being able to climb out of a shitty situation. It's not about mansions, cars, being able to blow big money on stupid things.. Success for most aspiring members, is just to be able to provide for their family, doing something they love.

    Congrats to you... I have friends that had a lot of promise in their lives, they got caught up in a lifestyle too. Some never bounced back. My parents actually run a recovery group and I've seen far too many people never bouncing back. It's sad.. but when someone does, it really makes for an inspiring story.

    You brought up another good point, when you said:
    Don’t get me wrong, I was really good on the phone, but even being the best telemarketer… it still just wasn’t enough to make it. It wasn’t till later when I put those skills to work for ME in businesses of my own.
    I don't even consider myself as someone good at a lot of techniques... I think the bigger issue is the mindset. Some people can be good, but not in the right mindset.
  • Profile picture of the author RiskTaker
    Nice to see someone discuss the power of failure and how its lead to success. Wonder why no one has ever posted a WSO on failing well lol ... guess not a market for that one.

    Keep it 100
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by RiskTaker View Post

      Nice to see someone discuss the power of failure and how its lead to success. Wonder why no one has ever posted a WSO on failing well lol ... guess not a market for that one.

      Keep it 100
      Failure isn't sexy. We all fail though, the difference is in how we learn from failures and grow to be a better person, and turning that experience into a successful one.
    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by RiskTaker View Post

      Nice to see someone discuss the power of failure and how its lead to success. Wonder why no one has ever posted a WSO on failing well lol ... guess not a market for that one.

      Keep it 100

      Exactly.

      The idea here is that the people who cant even concieve making $100 let alone $100,000 hide in the shadows because they dont feel they fit in because of that, and are afraid to participate alot of times. Alot of people have never even seen the inside of a nice hotel, they dont know where they fit in with all this big talk.

      Thats okay, sales is a way to make money and learn big money skills, even for people who have never even seen the inside of a hotel. Its an opportunity for EVERYONE, not just big talkers with a ton of experience. As for me, mine came the hard way.

      Here's an example of starting over again even AFTER some really nice successes. It happens:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...ess-phone.html
  • Profile picture of the author Rob28x
    Thanks for sharing your stories John. I am at a low point as well right now, but having a hard time staying focused on one thing, and being motivated enough to do what it takes to make it happen. I guess you could say I am stuck at being a wantrepreneur right now.
  • Profile picture of the author Luuk Terhorst
    Great contribution John! Thanks for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author wilder1047
    Here's a quote I got from a motivational video I just watched the other day that I think fits it nicely here.

    Being overwhelmed is part of the deal. Being confused means you're making progress. Being frustrated means you know where you want to be you're just not there yet.
    Great thread.

    Thanks,

    James
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    "Got to keep on pushin,
    I can't stop now.
    Move up a little higher,
    some way, some how.
    'Cuz I got my strength,
    don't make sense,
    not to keep on pushin'."

    The words from the song in the Samsung commercial featuring LeBron. I notice the song because it didn't really fit the commercial to me.

    I use this song to motivate myself to get going(cold calling), to do tasks I don't want to do(email marketing). I helps me focus/ and have gratitude for my ability to run my business. Many people don't have the fortitude to keep pushing through the tough times, I do, and I am truly grateful for it.

    Thanks, guys for some down to earth inspiration.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bayo
    Great thread John as always.

    It reminds me of something that I've shared many times with coaching students and anyone that would care to listen, for the simple reason that it shows everyone has their own challenges along the way.

    There was a significant point in time along my journey where things were so tough that my wife and I had to choose between buying a load of bread and milk or a loaf of bread and just one other item. We were at that point because we could not afford to buy three items to make up what we would eat for the next couple of days as our meal.

    It was that tough, but it also was the turning point where I made the life-changing decision to do whatever it takes to live life on my terms and never again be in a situation where I wouldn't be able to offer my family even the basics in life.

    While that hasn't been the only 'hard knock' along the way, I thank God for the experience because if it hadn't happened, things probably would not be what they are today. A lot more might have been taken for granted.

    The lessons continue.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Here is how I started out 23 years ago...

    As for me, I just never had anyone in life to really show me how to be a man... So it took me years to figure it out. I knew that the factory life wasnt what I wanted... I knew there was more. All I ever wanted to do was play music.

    I had started playing in bars as a country guitarist by age 13, but by age twenty it still wasnt working out, so I played on weekends for extra cash, and the rest of my life was just trying to figure out how I could make money in the real world.

    There really wasnt anything other than chicken plant work in the Area I came from in Arkansas, where I had worked when I was seventeen, also playing in bands on weekends...When someone told me they could get me on at a publishing company in Indiana as a songwriter... So I packed up my pickup truck, left my wife and daughter in Arkansas with my parents, and my plan was to go there and get set up in a place and bring them on... had big dreams that things would be awesome.

    The last thing my grandfather ever said to me was that Arkansas was no place for a young man to raise a family, that I should get out and come back when I retire....

    Well I got to Indiana, and stayed with my cousin, and the Pub deal didnt happen... So not wanting to look like a fool and go back to Arkansas with my tail between my legs... Having no education because I had quit school to play in a band full time at 13, I took a factory job in some boat factory in Elk hart Indiana.

    This guy was from new Zealand "Charles"... he had investors for some new kind of life raft he had created, and he had this little assembly line set up... He paid me ten bucks per hour... there were like two other guys, later there would be about five.

    Well I worked 14 hour days with Charles hand in hand to churn out hundreds of these boats, because I wanted all the hours I could get, in order to get a place and get my family to there with me.

    I finally had enough to get us some kind of crummy place but it was at least a start. Worked my tail off. Sweat pouring everywhere, no air con in that factory and terrible burnt rubber smell but the good thing was that he would let me work all the hours I wanted, so I just worked until I couldnt stand up anymore, every day.

    Then a few weeks later I drove back to Arkansas, got a trailer and picked up my wife and daughter and brought them back to Indiana.

    He gave my wife a job too, and so for a little while there we both worked...and things started looking up, and Charles from new Zealand became such a good friend. He and his wife became "our" friends.

    He told me that once the factory expanded out I was going to be the head honcho, and I believed in him. We all had great plans.

    Then one morning we came in and he said there were only going to be two more days of work- taking down the factory. Suddenly his investor had backed out.

    For a minute I thought he was joking, but he was serious.

    It ended right there.

    To make matters worse , it was the end of the month and rent was due… I hadn’t planned for this.

    I was devastated.

    Here I was in the middle of the freezing winter with a baby and a young wife and a foot an a half of snow on the ground….two days worth of pay, the rent due, truck almost out of gas…

    I couldn’t find any work anywhere because Elkhart was about the RV industry and it had recently taken a hit and that’s where all the work was… but people were getting laid off like crazy.

    So I took a job as a bus boy at shoneys.

    The pay was only two dollars and ten cents per hour plus tips.

    Well that was enough to feed us every night, and buy milk and pampers… but it wasn’t enough to cover all the bills… so we ran late on rent, and somehow were able to stay for the rest of the next month, but things weren’t going my way, I even sold my blood at one point to buy food (still have the scar from it, because I did it several times during that period) because the town was depressed and there was no work and my schedule at shoneys was only 20 hours per week.

    Like I said, we lived day to day on tips, and my pay was only once every two weeks and it wasn’t much, maybe a couple hundred dollars.

    I was in deep shit.

    Finally we got kicked out of our apartment.

    So… I took that little paycheck and I moved us into a hotel, a little cheap rat hole.

    It didn’t even have a refrigerator, I had to put my daughters milk in the back of my truck (luckily it was filled with snow, and that was our refrigerator.

    We ate things like tuna and macaroni…lol It was bad.

    To make matter worse, my truck broke down and I ended up having to walk 3 miles to work everyday, in the snow, and for TWO DOLLARS AND TEN CENTS PER HOUR!

    This wasn’t working out.

    Next thing you know my work schedule was slowing down and I knew I wasn’t going to make it.

    So I called my father in law… because he was pretty rich, but he was also an asshole.

    I said “Can you just take my wife and daughter on until I can get around this….I don’t care to live on the street till I get through this, but I cant put THEM through that.

    He said “You are a man, and its your family, you work it out”. And He wouldn’t take them.
    Talk about a lot of pressure, we were about to get kicked out of the hotel too.

    I had made a friend who knew what we were going through , and that friend invited me to bring my family to his home and stay for a few weeks till we could get on our feet.

    So ashamedly I did…that meant giving up shoney's, because he lived in south bend , an hour away. So he took us in and helped me fix my truck… and I went looking for work.

    Couldn’t find any, so I tried selling rainbow vacuum cleaners, walking door to door in the snow. It didn’t work out, I was too desperate and it showed.

    Finally some place called consolidated construction gave me a job…for 8 bucks per hour setting appointments for construction salesman, and that’s where my telemarketing journey began.

    If anyone wants me to continue this story let me know… I think its pretty interesting, but its getting long.

    - John Durham - Telemarketing Warrior
    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      I don't want the newer ones on their entrepreneurial journey,
      to think that John and I are a couple of old grandfathers sitting on the verandah talking past glory days.

      We prefer to keep them to ourselves because they are a distraction from moving forward with our goals and plans.

      When you spend too much time looking back at the past, you stop yourself from moving forward.

      However, it can't hurt in finding out a bit of our background
      so that we've had to overcome our struggles to get where we are now.

      There are bound to be others here that have had bigger and more daunting obstacles to overcome than what has been told here.

      Knowing this just may make a stronger inner strength for some of you.

      Best,
      Ewen
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    That's what Im thinking Ewen, the amazing part is that I DID end up seeing success in telemarketing beyond my wildest dreams... and I did get to go to Nashville later and play with top musicians...

    It slowly starts working better from here but there were many starts and stops... I made it out of this above situation through telemarketing, but the troubles wouldnt be over yet...

    I do think its important for others to see these kinds of things. Some are born with a silver spoon, and good examples of how to be successful in life, but many others are lost trying to figure it out on their own...they arent alone, and you CAN overcome the odds.

    Anyway, Im enjoying the reflection, have always kind of wanted to write this stuff, but dont want to force it on anyone, if there is interest I will type on as I get the opportunity.

    You kinda remind me of Charles by the way!

    - John Durham - Telemarketing Warrior

    Ps. I want to thank a friend on this thread , who I wont name, for urging me to write it. Frankly over 5000 posts I have already talked about almost all of this, but people dont put the pieces together, and all they hear is "Hundreds of thousands of dollars" , which later happened... but its good to see it all in one lump so you can assimilate it.

    Not that my story is any more interesting than anyone elses, but I have alot of followers, and some of them dont read all the posts, even more of them do, but again, the pieces are so scattered, and they want to understand my journey, so I dont mind writing it if someone wants to know...all in one bite where it can be assimilated.

    I also want to thank you and bayo and others for being so open about yours too!

    How does this apply to offline and not mind warriors?

    Its the story of how an offliner over came his odds.

    -John
    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      John, I don't carry the past as shame or as a badge of honour.

      Just accepting of it.

      Besides hanging around younger ones that are driving fast forward
      in business is much more interesting than my past.

      People want real solutions for the challenge in front of them now.

      Who the fck is Charles BTW? lol

      P.S. Read your last post and found out about Charles from NZ.

      Best,
      Ewen

      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      That's what Im thinking Ewen, the amazing part is that I DID end up seeing success in telemarketing beyond my wildest dreams... and I did get to go to Nashville later and play with top musicians...

      It slowly starts working better from here but there were many starts and stops... I made it out of this above situation through telemarketing, but the troubles wouldnt be over yet...

      I do think its important for others to see these kinds of things. Some are born with a silver spoon, and good examples of how to be successful in life, but many others are lost trying to figure it out on their own...they arent alone, and you CAN overcome the odds.

      Anyway, Im enjoying the reflection, have always kind of wanted to write this stuff, but dont want to force it on anyone, if there is interest I will type on as I get the opportunity.

      You kinda remind me of Charles by the way!

      - John Durham - Telemarketing Warrior

      Ps. I want to thank a friend on this thread , who I wont name, for urging me to write it. Frankly over 5000 posts I have already talked about almost all of this, but people dont put the pieces together, and all they hear is "Hundreds of thousands of dollars" , which later happened... but its good to see it all in one lump so you can assimilate it.

      Not that my story is any more interesting than anyone elses, but I have alot of followers, and some of them dont read all the posts, even more of them do, but again, the pieces are so scattered, and they want to understand my journey, so I dont mind writing it if someone wants to know...all in one bite where it can be assimilated.

      I also want to thank you and bayo and others for being so open about yours too!

      How does this apply to offline and not mind warriors?

      Its the story of how an offliner over came his odds.

      -John
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    @ Ewen,

    Charles is the guy with the boat factory in my story above from New Zealand. No, the past isnt a badge of honor at all. I would FAR prefer to say I have always had the midas touch. lol Im not proud to tell it at all trust me... but Im feeling a need to.

    I also agree that people need solutions for NOW...and I wholeheartedly believe that Telemarketing for offline business is one of them, and have proven it in my own life and the lives of hundreds, or maybe even thousands of others!

    Would love to hear more of your own story by the way. I DO think this is interesting. Many people here have struggles....alot more people come here because they have no idea how to succeed in life, than come here with professional back grounds, they are searching for an answer, they dont come HAVING them... I think that by seeing how someone else who was clueless and didnt have answers found them could be inspiring.

    Some of us just busted right out of the gate coming from solid backgrounds and have it all together and have never NOT been that way, but many more come because they have never had any reference point for how a person like them could see the light of success, and they hope someone can relate.

    Knowing that you have been there can help some trust you and understand that you can relate to where they are, thus, you can "reach" them, and help them better. Not everyone needs that but some do.

    The big excuse in life is "Yeah, thats how it works for YOU, but you dont understand where I'm coming from..."

    BS. Yes I do, I have went from selling my own blood and not even graduating from high school to being a master in an amazing field...I know you can come out of ANYTHING!

    -John Durham
  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    Hey bro, I for one understand where you are coming from. I applaud your tenacity.

    The basic tenant for life, for relationships, for business is ... "shit happens"
    You know some of the tribulations I have went through.

    If little old me can survive and then thrive, so can you ...

    so can anyone.

    I have never met a single person that was considered a success of any nature ...
    that has not gone through a personal hell or two.

    As some say... It takes 10 or so times before it sticks.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Ken,

    Sometimes God works in mysterious ways.

    What if theres a person out there going through the same, reading the Warrior forum with big hopes, and thinking "Yeah, but those people dont know what Im going through, I cant succeed like they can... They have never been where I am..."

    Thats who this helps. Yeah my story has some horrific points lol... believe me, but I was determined and so anyone can be. Trust me. As a result of not just laying down and dying I have also seen some successes that would blow the average persons mind. Very thankful for that, but it didnt come free.

    Thanks bro.

    -John Durham

    Someone let me know if you want the next chapter. If not it will stop here. I wont force feed it to anyone.
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    Just quietly watching it all over here in the corner.
  • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
    Pretty good story, John. Continue. I have certainly had royal failures and have learned from them and thank God each day for having survived them.

    I think the more I learn, the more I have no idea what the hell to do! One thing I have learned is the world of business changes at such lightning speed...what works today, may just not work tomorrow and having an open-mind and a propensity to test what may or may not work has equaled success to me. For those that cannot adapt this way, at least from my experience, fail finally!


    I have given plenty of advice and taken advice that worked, but it changes constantly so much so that by the time you tell someone what works, it is out-moded (really realized this seeing inside Google's mouse trap).

    The thing about failure that I am trying to teach my stepgirls and nephew is that sometimes you have to risk failing in order to learn what works. It is a super hard lesson until you are forced into it by circumstances. And don't ever think you are going to be a success forever (as I said above, world is changing too fast).

    I think I am going to sit and write a similar story if not for just my own sanity. I was not exactly born with a silver spoon but my family did well until one day, very young, my entire life changed in one week from comfort and control to a 180 degree reverse of that. It has happened so many times in my life I seem to expect it now. I learned that at 8 years old and am so happy I did because I can trace all my business and life decisions back to that moment. In other words, that failure or tragedy made me grow up whether I wanted to or not.

    A couple lessons I have stood by are nothing matters more than health (as Ewen said, without it, nothing exists). It has taken 43 years of life to truly appreciate that lesson. When you are younger and in a romantic mode, you can certainly think that your family or wife is the most important thing and there is no way you are so selfish to say YOUR health is more important, but until you are minutes from death, you are not going to see it. Without health, all else is gone. I saw my Grandfather that lived to 90 y/o (more than twice my age) use this as his major motivating maxim and to this day can't see how he lasted that long without it. He actually died very suddenly in relatively perfect health.


    Another lesson, as you said, not everyone is going to like you or what you do and you simply cannot help everyone. I have REALLY pissed some people off in the past in business and regret what I did, but at the time had no knowledge to continue that path and remain alive. I try to make up where I can if possible but have not stopped life for the purpose of “dwelling on failure”. It is my one regret promising something I cannot deliver. But I know people cross paths exactly when they need to learn a lesson from each other, whatever that lesson may be and whatever the outcome. THAT my friend was a hard lesson more than not eating or almost being thrown in jail for something that had 100% nothing to do with me (yeah that's a good story that made me once and for all believe in Karma!).


    Anyway, I recall reading a section of a book once about “failing foward” and will look this up as it is 100% applicable.


    Good luck, my friend.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Thanks John, you and I have talked about the hero's journey some in the past...in a word, thats what its been. You actually helped me define it.

    Please, we would love to hear your story!
  • Profile picture of the author swilliams09
    As a person who is recovering from a severe rough patch, I'm interested in hearing more. One of the things I learned about myself during the rough patch is that I had no one to depend on but me. I mean, we all know this, but it became a source of strength. I knew if I were going to survive and get out of this mess it would be up to me to solve it, and I did, I came back from the edge. Now I'm starting to climb the mountain again and learn from almost going over the cliff.
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  • Profile picture of the author bob ross
    how 'bout the crap that comes along with making money.

    I believe that an alarm sounds off somewhere notifying everyone that you're doing well and suddenly everyone comes out of the woodwork needing some kind of emergency loan!
    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Seems a common thread here, taking 100% responsibility for their results and
      pulling themselves out of the mess.

      I knew that was the BIG lesson for me.

      I knew if I was going to play the game of business at full tilt,
      then I knew I could not blame anybody else, nor was anybody going
      to do it or help me.

      In a way it was stop being a cry baby and grow up.

      Our egos and self righteous selves want everything cosy and comfortable.

      When things don't turn out the way the spoilt ego wants it kicks up a fuss.

      We gotta tame the silly thing.

      Or go back to your mommy and get her to bring you milk, cookies and a blanket!

      Some people want security over freedom.

      That's fine.

      I chose freedom long ago.

      I understand their choice and it's not for me to poke a stick at their choice and beliefs.

      Just leave me to my choice.

      Best,
      Ewen
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Finally back in a position to be online after a few days visiting people for holidays... Looking forward to continuing this thread... I have alot of haters... I guess like Bob Says, about people coming out of the woodwork looking for loans... Being phenomenal at what you do... and being comfortable with the fact that you are phenomenal at it, can cause people to come out of the wood work and hate you because you are excellent at what you do... Part of success is surviving those kinds of people...and perhaps another part Im learning is to not let people know that YOU know, you are good... because it brings out the utter, black as coal ugliness in some. Thats another lesson of being great in your field. Its not just people wanting loans that come out of the woodwork. Sometimes you have to learn to hide your light for your own good and not let it shine so brightly as to wake up the grumpy people who live in the dark and live FOR the dark.
  • Profile picture of the author jideofor
    John, you are my hero.

    I have been away from WF due to my insability to raise some money and implement your website design model via cold calling after school and graduation 3 months ago.

    I laid my hands on domaining and was able to make $500 after a $10 investment... I also have about $1500 deal pending and therefore with that, I will start cold calling in 2013. It isnt easy anywhere, especially being a Nigerian. I thank God that I am getting somewhere.

    I read about your "Newbie Read this..." thread when you first created it in 2010 and that inspired me in a no small measure. I am also grateful to other warriors who give as you have also done.

    God bless you all.

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