Monetising my new skills in Web Design

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Although, I'm a digital marketer, I've been learning about and practicing web design for the last 3 months. I've come to a point where I feel I can create good responsive websites (both static and using Thesis 2.0).

As freelance SEO, my income is up and down (I'm extremely picky with what SEO and digital marketing jobs I take).

I said to myself that I would only charge for web design work when I am at good enough level. Although I can't use Javascript & JQuery yet, I'm very good at CSS and CSS3.

I've spoken to people who have terrible websites that paid £2500+ for them. I can nice clean looking websites and have some dummy sites ready.

But...
I don't have a portfolio.

How do I charge £1500+ for a website without a portfolio.

I would love to know how did other web designers got started?

Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Solem
    I know some people who have found not having a portfolio to not be such a big deal, but I think it could only help and it's not too hard to get started.

    Do you have any favorite businesses you patronize that you could offer to do a cheap or free website for? Maybe a local restaurant or coffee shop that would let you place flyers or business cards on their tables in exchange for a free website?

    How about a local charity or church? Have you asked friends or family if they know anyone who could use a website?

    You could also design a few templates to use as examples in your portfolio, but I think if you're going to go to the trouble of designing something, you might as well do it for a local business or charity where you can possibly benefit from some referrals and positive word of mouth advertising.

    Good luck!

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author the chameleon
      Originally Posted by Steve Solem View Post

      I know some people who have found not having a portfolio to not be such a big deal, but I think it could only help and it's not too hard to get started.

      Do you have any favorite businesses you patronize that you could offer to do a cheap or free website for? Maybe a local restaurant or coffee shop that would let you place flyers or business cards on their tables in exchange for a free website?

      How about a local charity or church? Have you asked friends or family if they know anyone who could use a website?

      You could also design a few templates to use as examples in your portfolio, but I think if you're going to go to the trouble of designing something, you might as well do it for a local business or charity where you can possibly benefit from some referrals and positive word of mouth advertising.

      Good luck!

      Steve
      Thanks Steve.

      I was thinking of using a local businesses.

      I saw that post earlier about a chap talking about making £100,000 in a year by doing two websites a week. I'm someone who would rather spend more time on a creating a really awesome site and charge more money.

      Is it feasible charging a higher price at beginning?
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        Sounds like you need to work on positioning.

        By the way, websites you create for your own business count as part of your portfolio too.

        If you already have one, why not use it. "Look at the website I made for myself."
        Originally Posted by the chameleon View Post

        Thanks Steve.

        I was thinking of using a local businesses.

        I saw that post earlier about a chap talking about making £100,000 in a year by doing two websites a week. I'm someone who would rather spend more time on a creating a really awesome site and charge more money.

        Is it feasible charging a higher price at beginning?
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Solem
        Originally Posted by the chameleon View Post

        Is it feasible charging a higher price at beginning?
        It's possible, sure, but a lot depends on the clients you're targeting and what they might be willing to pay for a website.

        Also, I'd learn what you can about marketing and copywriting too so you'll be more valuable to your clients. With so many options on the market for designing a website from wordpress to WYSIWYG services, it's easy to get a website online today, but if you can help someone create a website that helps them build a mailing list, generate more phone calls and make them more money, that's a huge reason to work with you instead of someone else or a DIY solution.

        Hope that helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew H
    My experience when I was first starting was that people were reluctant to give me their money without seeing past results. Although in hindsight this might of been a roadblock put up by myself showing lack of confidence. However, my success lied in building cheap(ish) or free (think - by donation) websites for friends and family who had legit businesses (not your aunties kitten mittens company). These websites allowed me to have a portfolio to show potential clients and also led to referrals and more confidence when selling.

    So as Steve mentioned I would suggest getting some portfolio sites done for cheap or free and then use those for your portfolio (and ask for referrals!). Keep in mind this is just my suggestions and what worked for me, I'm sure others in the forum would find this being a waste of your time.

    Good luck with your transition into the web design side of the business!
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    • Profile picture of the author the chameleon
      Originally Posted by mcflause View Post

      My experience when I was first starting was that people were reluctant to give me their money without seeing past results. Although in hindsight this might of been a roadblock put up by myself showing lack of confidence. However, my success lied in building cheap(ish) or free (think - by donation) websites for friends and family who had legit businesses (not your aunties kitten mittens company). These websites allowed me to have a portfolio to show potential clients and also led to referrals and more confidence when selling.

      So as Steve mentioned I would suggest getting some portfolio sites done for cheap or free and then use those for your portfolio (and ask for referrals!). Keep in mind this is just my suggestions and what worked for me, I'm sure others in the forum would find this being a waste of your time.

      Good luck with your transition into the web design side of the business!
      Thanks mate. Yeah, I think that I may have to do the same. I have created a few websites in the last 3 years, but in comparision to what I can do now, they are crap. I was thinking of creating a few templates, specific to industries and then just selling them. I don't know if this will work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nspire
    I started off years ago offering my services at very discounted rates as a means to building up my portfolio in exchange for testimonies. Its a great way to get started.
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  • Profile picture of the author Voasi
    Originally Posted by the chameleon View Post

    I don't have a portfolio.

    How do I charge £1500+ for a website without a portfolio.

    I would love to know how did other web designers got started?

    Thanks.
    I've sold $10k web designs... without a website to show and no portfolio. The only person that necessarily needs a portfolio is YOU. I went a good 6 months before we had a website to show and that was just because of the VERY FEW people that asked to see a website with portfolios... but they were never going to close anyway; tirekickers.

    You're ability to sell web design has EVERYTHING to do with your ability to sell them that you're going to give them a website that will bring in more business/sales/revenue and NOTHING to do with have a portfolio... That usually stems from just being scared of not having the right rebuttals.

    It's like thinking of going up to girl in a bar and asking her out... and all you think about is that she's going to slap you or embarrass you in front of her friends. Can it happen? Yes. Is it likely? Not really.
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  • Profile picture of the author ScottStuart
    I agree with Voasi - I regularly sell higher ticket website designs, without ever being asked for previous work. Funnily enough, in my experience, selling at a low price generally attracts customers who want to see previous work, who want to speak to clients, etc. Selling at a high price (confidently) only gives me a yes or a no.

    When it comes to price, remember that the customer sets their value of your work, not you. You can influence that, but you can't determine it. If someone thinks that websites are worth $100, you probably will have to do a lot of justifying to raise their price. However, if someone thinks websites are worth $100,000, then you have a different conversation going.

    I found, in the very beginning, the trick was to just contact hundreds and hundreds of people. Easiest place to look for me was the yellow pages - simply because the people in there are obviously willing to spend money on advertising, and (depending on their market) probably aren't getting a great return on their investment in the yellow pages - because, really, who looks at the yellow pages anymore? So straight away I had a book of people that were potential customers. Then just go through and find people without a website and give them a call.

    I was always really trepidatious about contacting prospects, until I spent a week contacting over 100 people and simply trying to get a yes or a no out them (maybes not allowed). By doing that, I removed all nervousness out of the equation and just made it fun - how many "answers" can I get today?
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  • Profile picture of the author CageyVet
    I started off selling my web design services for $1500 to $15000 with no portfolio and it was not very hard at all.

    First of all, you need to make sure that you are pre-qualifying your potential customers. Make sure the you know what type of customer you are getting before you get to even talking about doing a website for them. Find out about their current site, why do not have a site, if they understand what a site means to their business, etc etc. Knowing this will help you know if they are will to pay good prices for a site or not.....and you are getting to know THEM which goes along way to them trusting you.

    Second, you do not have to show them a portfolio at all. The two techniques I use since I still do not really have any kind of portfolio is...

    First, get them to show you sites they like in the 3 follow categories, Layout, Colours/style and finally functionality. You tell them you can give them what they are looking for but the best examples are the ones that they find themselves, even if it is their direct competitors. The entire internet is your portfolio since you should be able to replicate 90% of the sites out there.

    Then if that is not quite your cup of tea, the other approach is to get the basic details of the site they want and show them a handful of purchased themes/templates demos for them to finalize the design. Again, using other peoples work as a sudo-portfolio.

    This is the way I do the majority of my work since I do not stick to one business niche and my web design works comes from all business types and website styles. There is no way for me to have a portfolio for every type of website style, layout, functionality etc etc...so why even bother...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Voasi and the others have summed it up well.

    The need for a portfolio is mostly in your own mind.

    There are two kinds of people in this world:

    1. Those who care that you don't have a portfolio

    and

    2. Those who don't care that you don't have a portfolio.

    Your job is very simple. You want to sort the people you talk to into either category, and continue the conversation with group 2.

    Now we're into Qualifying.

    Does this prospect recognize the need for a website like you can make?

    Does this prospect have the ability to pay you at the level you deserve?

    Does this prospect have the right personality to work with you with a minimum of upset?

    The problem most people have when selling is not having a consistent sales process. Find out the answers to these three questions and you'll be able to have good prospects who you can turn into good clients.
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  • Profile picture of the author the chameleon
    Thanks to everyone who has answered my questions. I will get onto a bit of cold calling from tomorrow.
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    I will keep you updated on how things go.
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  • Profile picture of the author the chameleon
    I did my first day of cold calling for web design. I was targeting Italian and Spanish restaurants.

    In the end, I got 1 lead from a Spanish restaurant, who said that he interested in my services...

    BUT...

    He wanted to see my previous work because he was speaking to another web design company who have a nice portfolio of restaurants, I know I can provide a good looking site for him. He seems open minded about working with me, but I don't know what to do, because I don'y have a portfolio.

    Any suggestions?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by the chameleon View Post

      I did my first day of cold calling for web design. I was targeting Italian and Spanish restaurants.

      In the end, I got 1 lead from a Spanish restaurant, who said that he interested in my services...

      BUT...

      He wanted to see my previous work because he was speaking to another web design company who have a nice portfolio of restaurants, I know I can provide a good looking site for him. He seems open minded about working with me, but I don't know what to do, because I don'y have a portfolio.

      Any suggestions?
      Do you have a website for yourself?

      "Let me ask you this, Mr. Prospect...if we were able to look at their portfolio and mine side by side...what would that enable you to understand or decide?"
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      • Profile picture of the author the chameleon
        Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

        Do you have a website for yourself?

        "Let me ask you this, Mr. Prospect...if we were able to look at their portfolio and mine side by side...what would that enable you to understand or decide?"
        I did have a website for my SEO business but it's in the process of being redesigned.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
          Originally Posted by the chameleon View Post

          I did have a website for my SEO business but it's in the process of being redesigned.
          Ask the question and see what prejudices or hidden purposes you can uncover.

          Looking at portfolios can't really tell you a whole lot except how fancy the designer can get. But fancy doesn't equal effective.

          Most people don't know what they want, so examples and price are all they have to grab onto. Uncover this doubt in them, and try to deal with it positively in another way.
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          • Profile picture of the author the chameleon
            Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

            Ask the question and see what prejudices or hidden purposes you can uncover.

            Looking at portfolios can't really tell you a whole lot except how fancy the designer can get. But fancy doesn't equal effective.

            Most people don't know what they want, so examples and price are all they have to grab onto. Uncover this doubt in them, and try to deal with it positively in another way.
            Thanks Jason. I'll keep you updated on how my session went today.

            Much appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author the chameleon
    I followed up all the calls I made on Thursday where the business owner wasn't there. From this I got one guy interested in my offer of £1500 for a SEO / Social Media optimised responsive website.

    Plus I got a meeting with a restaurant owner next week about doing a similar job on his site.

    In 2 days I've contacted 25 businesses.

    Got 4 potential leads.

    I will continue with cold calling next week. Hopefully, I can get a closed deal this point next week.

    Thanks guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author avandrunen
    That's awesome Chameleon,

    How are you going about creating your call lists?

    Are you just using your local phone book, google local, software...

    Have an awesome day
    Adrian
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    • Profile picture of the author the chameleon
      Originally Posted by avandrunen View Post

      That's awesome Chameleon,

      How are you going about creating your call lists?

      Are you just using your local phone book, google local, software...

      Have an awesome day
      Adrian
      Thanks Avandrunen.

      I've just been targeting Google search. Going from page 10 downwards. I usually look at the websites that look old and also check if they are responsive or not and call up based on that.

      Nothing original there.

      What about yourself?
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