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  • Profile picture of the author wlasikiewicz
    If you scrape emails then send them stuff you are considered a spammer because the email owner has not given you permission to use their email.

    I would avoid doing this.
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    • Profile picture of the author WalterW
      Originally Posted by wlasikiewicz View Post

      If you scrape emails then send them stuff you are considered a spammer because the email owner has not given you permission to use their email.

      I would avoid doing this.
      Its not like that actually.

      You cannot send an email like that to a person, but you can to a business. You just have to allow them to unsubscribe (even if they never subscribed).

      I don't think you are a spammer (well if you don't consider the way OP sends emails) if you send 1 email to each business email address, even if you don't have unsubscribe option.


      OP, I sent you a PM, I might be able to help you.
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  • Profile picture of the author helisell
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    Makes no odds whether people consider it spam or not.
    It simply won't work.

    I know you'll try it anyway but really don't waste your time.

    I know of a company who employed a list owner to send out (several times to the list over a few months) to over 2,000,000 addresses at quite a considerable cost.

    The best response rate?

    0.000001%

    Don't bother working it out...it was 2 responses.

    Don't buy email lists, don't send to non opted in email lists...you're just wasting your time.

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    Is there any room for improvement? Want to find out?

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    • Profile picture of the author Shaolinsteve
      Originally Posted by helisell View Post

      100k

      Makes no odds whether people consider it spam or not.
      It simply won't work.

      I know you'll try it anyway but really don't waste your time.

      I know of a company who employed a list owner to send out (several times to the list over a few months) to over 2,000,000 addresses at quite a considerable cost.

      The best response rate?

      0.000001%

      Don't bother working it out...it was 2 responses.

      Don't buy email lists, don't send to non opted in email lists...you're just wasting your time.

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      Indeed.

      Put in the time and effort communicating with businesses otherwise all the time and effort you put into your "method" will backfire on you for sure.
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    • Profile picture of the author pmarketing
      Originally Posted by helisell View Post

      100k

      Makes no odds whether people consider it spam or not.
      It simply won't work.

      I know you'll try it anyway but really don't waste your time.

      I know of a company who employed a list owner to send out (several times to the list over a few months) to over 2,000,000 addresses at quite a considerable cost.

      The best response rate?

      0.000001%

      Don't bother working it out...it was 2 responses.

      Don't buy email lists, don't send to non opted in email lists...you're just wasting your time.

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      Been there, done that. Sent 5 000 000 emails with 5 responses.
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    • Profile picture of the author mikelmraz
      Originally Posted by helisell View Post

      100k

      Makes no odds whether people consider it spam or not.
      It simply won't work.

      I know you'll try it anyway but really don't waste your time.

      I know of a company who employed a list owner to send out (several times to the list over a few months) to over 2,000,000 addresses at quite a considerable cost.

      The best response rate?

      0.000001%

      Don't bother working it out...it was 2 responses.

      Don't buy email lists, don't send to non opted in email lists...you're just wasting your time.

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      I think if you gather your own email list, even if scraped, there could be a decent response?
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    I always knew the email numbers were low but glad to have the backing of just how low they are with real world examples.

    I never understand why people put so much effort into things that have such low ROI.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Because the ROI is huuuge, though not monetary.
      They get to feel busy, to feel they've accomplished something, to avoid trying something they're scared of, etc.

      Value is a very amorphous thing.



      Originally Posted by Aaron Doud View Post

      I never understand why people put so much effort into things that have such low ROI.
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  • Profile picture of the author pmarketing
    I would try to correct myself - email marketing works only with highly targeted email lists; for us we used to get 2,5 - 3% open rate, 0.3-0.5% click-through rate, 0.0002 sales rate. And this is with targeted email lists.
    Email lists scraped from YP or any search engines will bring zero to (almost)nothing response.
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by pmarketing View Post

      I would try to correct myself - email marketing works only with highly targeted email lists; for us we used to get 2,5 - 3% open rate, 0.3-0.5% click-through rate, 0.0002 sales rate. And this is with targeted email lists.
      Email lists scraped from YP or any search engines will bring zero to (almost)nothing response.
      I average a 15-20% open but sometimes it DOES dip as low as 8-10%.... scraped from YP.

      CTR on those if you consider the entire list, is about 1-3%, but if you judge CTR based on open rate, it is obviously higher. How many become actual leads, much lower, and sales even lower, but I usually get a pretty decent response.
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      • Profile picture of the author pmarketing
        Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

        I average a 15-20% open but sometimes it DOES dip as low as 8-10%.... scraped from YP.

        CTR on those if you consider the entire list, is about 1-3%, but if you judge CTR based on open rate, it is obviously higher. How many become actual leads, much lower, and sales even lower, but I usually get a pretty decent response.

        Waw!!! 15% open rate? What niche? The max we got was 5%.
        I am not saying it does not work at all, but the conversion rate is low. We had targeted 100 000 contact list and had about 20 sales from one blast.
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        • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
          Originally Posted by pmarketing View Post

          Waw!!! 15% open rate? What niche? The max we got was 5%.
          I am not saying it does not work at all, but the conversion rate is low. We had targeted 100 000 contact list and had about 20 sales from one blast.
          Almost EVERY niche I've touched, the only exception has been flooring/carpet/tile industry where it averages at 11-12%

          Having an under 10% open rate usually means delivery issues. On a rare occasion, you just sent at the wrong time.

          HOWEVER... 20 sales with a 100,000 contact list and it being one blast is above average. Usually you can count on 1 sale per 10,000 in a cold list, so you got double. That's pretty good.

          That also tells me, the problem wasn't in the copy, the problem was that you didn't have good deliverability. If you did, your open rate would be much higher which would have maybe kept the same conversion rate but many more sales.
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          • Profile picture of the author cobwab
            Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

            Almost EVERY niche I've touched, the only exception has been flooring/carpet/tile industry where it averages at 11-12%

            Having an under 10% open rate usually means delivery issues. On a rare occasion, you just sent at the wrong time.

            HOWEVER... 20 sales with a 100,000 contact list and it being one blast is above average. Usually you can count on 1 sale per 10,000 in a cold list, so you got double. That's pretty good.

            That also tells me, the problem wasn't in the copy, the problem was that you didn't have good deliverability. If you did, your open rate would be much higher which would have maybe kept the same conversion rate but many more sales.
            1. Where do you find good double optin list brokers?
            2. Is this permission marketing?
            2. Do you use software like "ListSorcerer" or other bulk mailer software?

            I understand that Mailchimp will not accept CPA or clickbank offers.
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            • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
              Quality, not quantity.

              You'll probably find yourself running into a dead end with this method.

              I'm not convinced it's ethical whether it's a business or individual...
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  • Profile picture of the author winz
    Don't waste your time
    it won't work for long time

    I would avoid doing this.
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  • Profile picture of the author fandbworld
    have had mixed results emailing. Still use it as a form of gaining clients. Not my main way, but it still works. Nothing wrong with adding it in your arsenal.

    Still have 3 very good SEO clients that have been with me for almost a year now from emailing.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Originally Posted by Aaron Doud View Post

    I always knew the email numbers were low but glad to have the backing of just how low they are with real world examples.

    I never understand why people put so much effort into things that have such low ROI.
    Actually Aaron, email numbers definitely ARE low, but the stats rattled off in this thread are not an accurate representation. Perhaps they bought a list that was generic but I have made a lot of money off email marketing. Conversions are ALWAYS low with email marketing but it is another aspect of marketing that should be used.

    When someone tells me email marketing doesn't work... here are the reasons why

    1. They aren't using the right strategy
    2. Their copy sucks more than "Enter favorite porn stars name here"
    3. Their Title just isn't compelling enough to get opens
    4. Their email isn't actually being delivered (spam folders, deliverability issues, etc.)
    5. There is no call to action
    6. There is nothing to click for them to be tossed into a funnel
    7. They don't understand the technical side of emailing
    8. They don't track
    9. They don't work the list
    10. They don't scrape the RIGHT list
    A list of 10,000 businesses should provide you with a sale each and every time you send out to that list. I like to send once a week, for 8-12 weeks then take a break from the list and do it again.

    Reasons why people shouldn't do email marketing with a non opt in list include:
    1. Your domain will get blacklisted if you don't know what you're doing
    2. Your emails will ALL be marked as spam if you don't know what you're doing
    3. Your personal IP address will be blacklisted if you don't know what you're doing
    4. The email service you are using will end up banning you
    5. If running it from your computer and not another server, your own ISP will ban you.
    Email marketing is tough....


    But..


    Now lets talk about why it is a useful part of your marketing.


    If you send 8-12 times, once each week, you are cleaning up your list and you are getting the best results from your list. You have unique emails for each week, you have statistics for each week. Once you take a break you can either run the same exact campaigns or you can test different titles, and content. If you separate your list based on the niches you target, then the process is already there and it is very time efficient and easy to scale.

    The work is on the front end, the profit is on the backend. Once you invest the time, 6 months from now you have a part of your marketing that has a 100% automated strategy, and should add at least $10,000/mo in sales for your business.
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  • Profile picture of the author davidtye
    Waste of time so don't bother doing it. You are far better concentrating on list building to get valid emails from people who are actually interested in your product/service.
    It's honestly far better to go the quality rather than quantity route.
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