TV and Radio. Do you use it?

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The reason I ask is this. I recently met with a local guy who has one of the busiest Job boards in the area. We talked about his commercial and then turned to business. He's been in business about 5 years. I asked him about his marketing because I follow his facebook and twitter feeds and I see he posts new jobs on both daily.

His response to that? "Oh yah. We do that, but that isn't what got us here." What he tells me, and I remember seeing and hearing it all the time is that ran tv and radio spots none stop for the first two years of his business. He spent a ton of money to make himself a household name when it came to job searches.

He also told me that once businesses saw his tv spots or radio ads, it made it easy to approach them about listing their jobs with him.

If you don't know, that's how you make your money with a jobs board. The companies pay you to list their openings to a larger user base.

From my random count he used to list anywhere between 10-15 jobs a day (although I've seen days with more or less) at $30 a pop for 30 days.

Lately he's been down to 2-3 a day. He says it's because he's been focusing on online marketing. He's going back to TV and Radio because he gets more hits to his site which means he gets more companies to sell that audience to.

Unfortunately he refused to talk rates or budget on his spots. He had already signed with on of our sales reps and my job was just to do his commercial. Having worked in TV, I know the general ball park on rates. And I know the sales person he was working with, he probably got a good deal. Lately they have been giving out some pretty sweet deals on air time to revive old customers.

So enough with my rambling, I actually had a question here. Do you use TV and Radio in your offline marketing for you Marketing business or internet based business? What have your experiences been like with that? Did you see an ROI?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bayo
    We started using radio by working with local charities. It's not been a major channel but we've ket it going simply because we get it for free due to the fact that the local radio stations give charities spots and we 'underwrite' the marketing (in simple speak it means we provide all the marketing support for the charities we work with e.g. ideas and content).

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  • Profile picture of the author MarcusJohnson
    We still use TV ads for our offline marketing its still is giving good results to the company. And its always better to hit two birds at the same time, both offline and online marketing. It's gonna be an expensive one but the results are truly worth it.
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  • Radio and TV work great if you have the budget. Beyond that, most businesses do it wrong because they try to be entertaining and cute. Instead, solid direct response advertising will fill the company coffers. Save cute for when you have 35 locations.
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    • Profile picture of the author swilliams09
      Originally Posted by Joe Ditzel View Post

      Radio and TV work great if you have the budget. Beyond that, most businesses do it wrong because they try to be entertaining and cute. Instead, solid direct response advertising will fill the company coffers. Save cute for when you have 35 locations.

      You get it. Entertaining is for when you have a strong brand awareness. Or you have the time and money to make sure it's truly entertaining. Which means hiring an ad agency to make sure it's a memorable spot. I still remember this spot. The CEO of this company studied in a actors university for comedy, he had connections with media people. He paid $ 4,500 for this spot that went viral and then went on television. For most local entrepreneurs, you won't have those advantages.


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      On a related note though. I think this is why video marketing is the next wave. They launched this spot online first which saved a shit ton money on air time. In fact, I'm sure it only went on TV because it went viral. Online is the new air time. The early adopters are online. TV commercials on air are for the rest of the market. Plus its a cheaper way to test a campaigns effectiveness. If you are getting a decent response online and get any viral-ness (is that a word?) going on, you know you got a spot that will reach the rest of the market or at least be well perceived.
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      • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
        I got free publicity for a couple of years on a national
        scale on radio...they let me do a full pitch and yes got
        okay results (considering all my "payment" was creating
        high quality entertaining content).

        Looking at it realistically though I couldn't see someone
        paying for that advertising and making profit.

        Different types of businesses get different results though.


        We have members at OfflineBiz.com who have built good
        businesses by writing internet and/or marketing columns
        for their local papers.

        That kind of positioning can be helpful in getting potential
        clients calling you.


        Talk back radio is always looking for guests and if you find
        a way to be entertaining or you tie your work into some
        kind of charity AND be entertaining then you could get
        a lot of free coverage that way.

        You always have to think through how you're going to convert
        free publicity into real sales or clients though.

        Often it's not so easy to do.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Bratcher
    The success of a radio/TV ad also depends on your target demographic. A jobs site is definitely a go for mass media advertising. You can certainly capture a lot of job seekers that way.

    But what about the "normal" services offered here? I'm sure a radio or TV probably wouldn't reach enough of the target demographic for, say, an SMS campaign service.

    TV and radio work if done right and for the right reasons.
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    • Profile picture of the author swilliams09
      Originally Posted by Jeremy Bratcher View Post

      The success of a radio/TV ad also depends on your target demographic. A jobs site is definitely a go for mass media advertising. You can certainly capture a lot of job seekers that way.

      But what about the "normal" services offered here? I'm sure a radio or TV probably wouldn't reach enough of the target demographic for, say, an SMS campaign service.

      TV and radio work if done right and for the right reasons.
      This is true. For normal services offered here, TV wouldn't be my first choice. Web design, Google places, SEO, Mobile. I personally think it's a waste of ad dollars which is why I asked.

      For the company I work for, we do video production, but we are a B2B business. We get better responses with referrals, word of mouth, SEO and direct mail than with commercials. I know because I track where our customers come from. The majority is word of mouth and referrals. The rest either find us online, or I solicit them. We ran TV spots promoting our video production services and the phone didn't ring once. Of course there was a lot of variables in that campaign that we had no control over which I think helped lead to a stellar failure, but still, not even a nibble. The only market we tend to get any results from TV spots is wedding videos, and only on certain channels aimed at a very targeted demo during the early part of the year.

      One of my clients ran a spot for his b2b type service nationally on MSNBC and saw less of a return than he did from adwords. He decided to stick with adwords. The key is to test and see.
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      • Profile picture of the author Adrian Browning
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        In 2008 myself, and a few others, were really into Media Buying... But whilst others where more inclined to barter their deals so as to keep their outlay as low as possible - I was taking out loans and putting large amounts of my own money out there in order to buy-out a large portion of these agencies, absorbing them into my main Advertising Firm

        ...so, naturally, I'm an advocate for Advertising via Mass Market Media.

        I mean, Radio is fairly cut & shut.. There's pretty much nothing to it. If you get with the right people, it's a done deal - you'll hit a home run almost every time. It's intimacy is almost un-matched by any other medium. The sound of an announcer's voice, the type of musical background, the sound-effects you use to punctuate and enhance your message - all these are ammunition for a successful campaign. I mean, these days, $3,500 can get you air-time for a single 30 second spot on a large commercial station... The barrier to entry is lower than ever.

        Moving on... Television is the most effective of all marketing vehicles - bar none ...and I don't see this changing anytime in the near future either. I mean, it's reach is un-parralled by anything out there. But, that being said, Television is also extremely intricate and difficult to master which is why so much money is involved.

        I really wouldn't advise a "small business" owner to jump into Television or Radio advertising unless they are more affluent and have enough financial fortitude to get the right people on board.

        I mean there are local stations and networks that you could chance, but I have found these networks to have a piss poor reach and a less than satisfactory following, meaning: unless your ad's are 10 out of 10 and tick all the right boxes - you'll certainly lose every cent that you put into that campaign.

        But yes, these mediums do encourage sales (obviously)... and to get the most out of them, you will need to put a large chunk of your own & others money out there - but, so is the case with Marketing & Advertising in general.

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    • Profile picture of the author cafayzieg
      Originally Posted by Jeremy Bratcher View Post

      The success of a radio/TV ad also depends on your target demographic. A jobs site is definitely a go for mass media advertising. You can certainly capture a lot of job seekers that way.

      But what about the "normal" services offered here? I'm sure a radio or TV probably wouldn't reach enough of the target demographic for, say, an SMS campaign service.

      TV and radio work if done right and for the right reasons.
      i think so.
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  • Profile picture of the author kellyyarnsbro
    Mostly people do still prefer going to TV and Radio ADS/commercials. Most people loves music so they listen to Radio and most also watches TV so both are still in despite of IM mania.
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  • Profile picture of the author TyBrown
    Radio is the main reason I have a business. When I was new to the state with no money and no contacts I was able to talk myself into a weekly radio spot on the number #1 show in the state talking about dog training and answering questions from callers.

    Getting that exposure for about 2 years straight propelled me into a successful spot. Granted, these weren't paid spots so I can't talk about ROI on money spent, but being in an editorial setting like that was huge for getting off the ground.
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    • Profile picture of the author ortonmax
      Reach is a major advantage with TV ads. Radio is typically viewed as one of the lower-cost traditional media. Offline advertising is best option for advertising.
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  • Profile picture of the author ZeldaKing
    Great posts here - the main gist and thrust of campaigns is that in the beginning of any campaign you aren't going to know what will work out best for you. When results come in, you may be mistaken as to what actually led to a certain outcome.

    I'm a proponent of multiple modes of marketing, and ignoring TV, print, and radio can be problematic. There are businesses who have significant funding, and there are those that do not. Obviously, if spending isn't a huge factor, then your business can "afford" to run high-priced ads without having to break even. However, when budgets are tighter the emphasis falls back on running efficient campaigns. Heck, most businesses run inefficient facebook campaigns, so that could be a less expensive waste of resources.

    In the end though, it is essential to have a system which can track the effectiveness of cross-platform advertising to determine what is working for you and leading to increased revenues. Come up with some form of a watered-down marketing media model and "advertising spend" quickly turns into "investments".
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    • Profile picture of the author detomaso
      I've sold TV advertising for a CBS affiliate, outdoor advertising, and been in radio sales management in two different US markets. Total of 29 years experience. If you have some general questions I'd be happy to answer them. And of course if you're really serious I can be hired to buy your media for you and put together a killer campaign.
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  • Profile picture of the author ilovemedia
    I think TV and radio really do still hold a lot of weight when it comes to taking businesses to the top. After all, they're something that almost everyone has in their houses and you only need to turn them on and not log into any websites or share any posts in order for the marketing to happen. The home shopping shows, for one example, are still so rampant today and would be pretty hard to replace using Facebook and Twitter.
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  • Profile picture of the author kellyyarnsbro
    Very useful though the fact that internet has taken most of the TV and Radio ads part. Some or most do listen to music on radio stations and still watches TV.
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