Lead Gen Site Traffic, No Calls

by btyiw
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I've recently been building large lead generation sites covering all sorts of niches. So far I've built around 8 different sites using a lot of the themes available on this forum. Initially when I first started on the sites I was getting 2-10 calls per week with the minimal amount of traffic that was coming to my site. Now my traffic has skyrocketed compared to before and I'm targeting people specifically looking around their area for whatever service I'm generating leads for.

Some of the sites are now bringing in a daily amount of 10-20 local searches from potential clients but I'm rarely getting phone calls. Prior to this I was bringing in anywhere from 1-3 a day but it always typically led to a generated call.

Any ideas on how I can optimize this or reasons for not being able to drum up calls from these visitors? I'm tracking all the incoming analytics and I can clearly see the search terms but can't get an idea for the lack of calls.
#calls #gen #lead #site #traffic
  • Profile picture of the author Huskerdarren
    What's your call to action? What problem do people have that you are providing the solution to?
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  • Profile picture of the author btyiw
    Call to action is: Call Us Today or Contact Us Now with phone number

    I have this multiple times on the page, once on the top right and multiple times through the page as they scroll through.


    Same problem as what I'm targeting.. for example: plumber, plumbing service, etc. People looking to find a plumber and I'm there.
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  • Profile picture of the author CageyVet
    So at this point you need to do some research into what type of visitors are coming to your site and what are they doing.

    What keywords are bringing in the traffic compared to before?
    How long are people on your site?
    Run a heat map to see what they are actually doing on your site.
    What pages are getting the visits?

    Knowing all of this will tell you what has changed from when you were getting more leads.

    Also, it is across all of your sites or just one? Did you change something that might have effected this?
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    • Profile picture of the author btyiw
      Originally Posted by CageyVet View Post

      So at this point you need to do some research into what type of visitors are coming to your site and what are they doing.

      What keywords are bringing in the traffic compared to before?
      How long are people on your site?
      Run a heat map to see what they are actually doing on your site.
      What pages are getting the visits?

      Knowing all of this will tell you what has changed from when you were getting more leads.

      Also, it is across all of your sites or just one? Did you change something that might have effected this?
      I'm tracking all entry pages and keywords. All the keywords are typical searches individuals use when looking for a service provider in the area. In this example, a plumber. Based on this week alone, 50% of visitors were on the site for less than 50%, 30 secs to 5 min was at 25% and the numbers continue to go up. The pages all vary depending on what keyword brought them to the site. I'm looking into setting up heat maps now.

      Could it be possibly due to the phone number being an 888 number?
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      • Profile picture of the author Huskerdarren
        Yes, toll free number screams out of state. Get a local number for sure.
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        • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
          Originally Posted by Huskerdarren View Post

          Yes, toll free number screams out of state. Get a local number for sure.
          Huskerdarren,

          I agree 100%.... The 888 number makes it look like "just another" lead harvesting site.

          When I see 888 or 800, I click off right away. I'm looking for a local person to solve my problem.

          Take Care,

          Rich Beck BCIP, MCSD, MCIS
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  • Profile picture of the author grey38
    What do you mean when you tell him to run a heat map? Like set up a controlled experiment with people he knows? or (at the risk of sounding ignorant) is there a way to just do that over the internet with a software (you never know these days)?
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    • Profile picture of the author shane_k
      Originally Posted by grey38 View Post

      What do you mean when you tell him to run a heat map? Like set up a controlled experiment with people he knows? or (at the risk of sounding ignorant) is there a way to just do that over the internet with a software (you never know these days)?
      Well here is one site that explains what heat maps are

      and they even have a video, lol

      anyway, check it out because heat maps can be very valuable

      Crazy Egg ? Visualize where your visitors click
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      • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
        Originally Posted by shane_k View Post

        Well here is one site that explains what heat maps are

        and they even have a video, lol

        anyway, check it out because heat maps can be very valuable

        Crazy Egg ? Visualize where your visitors click
        Shane,

        I'll second the Crazy Egg suggestion. I have used it in the past; it is definitely a useful resource. It gives you insight to exactly how people are looking at your web pages. It is frequently not how you think....

        God Bless,

        Rich Beck BCIP, MCSD, MCIS
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        • Profile picture of the author mojo1
          You might also want to consider a free live chat pop up plugin to engage visitors on your websites if you're unable to change your number right away.

          Also, if there are any Google voice numbers available for the service areas you're advertising, you could simply display the Google voice number on the site and have your toll free number forwarded to Google voice behind the scenes.
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      • Profile picture of the author grey38
        Originally Posted by shane_k View Post

        Well here is one site that explains what heat maps are

        and they even have a video, lol

        anyway, check it out because heat maps can be very valuable

        Crazy Egg ? Visualize where your visitors click
        Oh it tracks where people click. For some reason i always thought heatmaps were only capable by tracking where peoples eyes go on a page with high tech equipment lol. But it just tracks where they click, which i now completely understand.
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  • Profile picture of the author btyiw
    If the site covers an entire state, how do you go by selecting the best area code? I'm now looking for ways to randomly pick a number from a list to display that phone number, then split test that.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheBigBee
    Originally Posted by btyiw View Post

    I've recently been building large lead generation sites covering all sorts of niches. So far I've built around 8 different sites using a lot of the themes available on this forum. Initially when I first started on the sites I was getting 2-10 calls per week with the minimal amount of traffic that was coming to my site. Now my traffic has skyrocketed compared to before and I'm targeting people specifically looking around their area for whatever service I'm generating leads for.

    Some of the sites are now bringing in a daily amount of 10-20 local searches from potential clients but I'm rarely getting phone calls. Prior to this I was bringing in anywhere from 1-3 a day but it always typically led to a generated call.

    Any ideas on how I can optimize this or reasons for not being able to drum up calls from these visitors? I'm tracking all the incoming analytics and I can clearly see the search terms but can't get an idea for the lack of calls.
    A study conducted by MIT showed that leads are 100x LESS likely to ever be contacted after 30 min vs 5. You should consider split testing against the "Call Us"'call to action vs. just capturing their info. Perhaps using a service like ÃœberTransfers may allow you to simply connect the lead with the vendor - removing yourself from the equation. The lead gets to the vendor in 20 seconds or less - is more likely to convert, now your lead gen is completely automated and you can feasibly charge more...
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Are you using google plus? You said local traffic right?

    If thats the case, I highly suggest you get a lot of reviews online. That seems to have helped my conversions more than anything. Also, get some solid pictures on your google plus listing. One of my pictures is our facebook like box with over 3,000 likes displaying. Underneath the box I have 4 3/4 stars colored in yellow. Its my way of "gaming" the system since google had to remove the stars in listings. Which I heard killed conversions for a lot of business owners. Although the stars aren't provided by google, they are still a visual trigger, and still somewhat representative of what my score would be if I did have stars.

    Aside from that I have a lot of social proof on my site, and 1 solid/humorous video that pitches our service.

    I haven't had an incredible volume of calls, but we tend to get a calls everyday.

    One final word about reviews. Not having reviews is bad enough. But having review isn't always good enough. People can clearly see how old your oldest review is, and I noticed that our calls didn't really pick up till our oldest review hit the 3 month mark.

    So I also think the age of reviews plays a factor in people deciding whether or not they'll call (assuming that you are in fact talking about google plus).

    -Red
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  • Profile picture of the author CageyVet
    So you have a lead gen site that is targeting an entire state for say plumbers. You can do one of two things....

    1- Drop down menu system that allows them to pick their problem and location which through javascript displays them the appropriate area code. This is also a good way to refine your prospecting funnel because you can then target more keywords for the most chosen problems.

    2- You can create a graphic that divides the state into the different area code locations and then have the appropriate number listed in that area of the graphic.

    Both ways still make it look like the site is more of a outsourcing type site instead of a local business. If you are sending all the leads to a plumbing business that services the entire state, then it can work fine but if you are sending the leads to different plumbers depending on the location...then you could have some customer conversion troubles and as such a drop in leads.

    Also, is this a mainly one page lead capture site? It might have a pile of content but you are basically capturing leads either from the homepage or the same sidebar info on all the rest of the pages? If so then are you targeting the majority of the keywords on the homepage and are they generic to the state or to the individual local locations?

    A different way to set this up is to have a generic homepage that captures leads for the largest center or the one that you figure will get the most leads through search volume. Then create individual sub-pages for all the other locations and look to rank them individually for those specific locations. Then you just place the appropriate local number on the matching local page.

    As for keywords...you will definitely need to figure out what keywords brought in the traffic at the time you were getting a pile of leads and what different keywords might be bringing in the traffic now. You might not have noticed but there might have been a few prime keywords that you were doing well with before and now you are not doing as well but your traffic is increased for keywords that do not produce leads easy.

    This is all very general advice since there is not much data to go on...
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    • Profile picture of the author TheBigBee
      Originally Posted by CageyVet View Post

      So you have a lead gen site that is targeting an entire state for say plumbers. You can do one of two things....

      1- Drop down menu system that allows them to pick their problem and location which through javascript displays them the appropriate area code. This is also a good way to refine your prospecting funnel because you can then target more keywords for the most chosen problems.

      2- You can create a graphic that divides the state into the different area code locations and then have the appropriate number listed in that area of the graphic.

      Both ways still make it look like the site is more of a outsourcing type site instead of a local business. If you are sending all the leads to a plumbing business that services the entire state, then it can work fine but if you are sending the leads to different plumbers depending on the location...then you could have some customer conversion troubles and as such a drop in leads.

      Also, is this a mainly one page lead capture site? It might have a pile of content but you are basically capturing leads either from the homepage or the same sidebar info on all the rest of the pages? If so then are you targeting the majority of the keywords on the homepage and are they generic to the state or to the individual local locations?

      A different way to set this up is to have a generic homepage that captures leads for the largest center or the one that you figure will get the most leads through search volume. Then create individual sub-pages for all the other locations and look to rank them individually for those specific locations. Then you just place the appropriate local number on the matching local page.

      As for keywords...you will definitely need to figure out what keywords brought in the traffic at the time you were getting a pile of leads and what different keywords might be bringing in the traffic now. You might not have noticed but there might have been a few prime keywords that you were doing well with before and now you are not doing as well but your traffic is increased for keywords that do not produce leads easy.

      This is all very general advice since there is not much data to go on...

      Way too much stuff. Set up a local looking site, and use software to connect leads with seller. Check out CashPickle (no affiliation) - they do nothing except generate leads and connect the call once a form is filled out. In the case of a dial in the call gets sent out accordingly. You can also use a local number with a back end process to auto transfer a call round robin style.

      Work smart, not hard! Use software to run your biz. Get them fresh leads and get paid lovely.
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  • Profile picture of the author CageyVet
    Cash advance market is quite different than the local plumber market....Most people could care less where their money that they need to pay their latest cell phone bill is coming from...

    When it comes to trusting your home/business with a plumbing service. Most people want to be sure they are getting someone local that they can trust and that is going to do the job correctly. They do not want to be auto connected to a telemarketing service that is going to capture their personal information and fire them off to the first scam artist plumber on their lead call list for your area. Now, I am not saying that any or all lead gen services do this but there is a very large perception from the general public that this is what is going to happen if you call a 888 number or fill out a form to connect to an operator/business.

    Also I have found that you get quite a bit less conversions when you are trying to get people to fill out personal information for local blue collar work to be done to their house/business. Most people still want to just call someone up, find out how much it is going to be and when they can fix the problem. Even if that form takes gets them a call within 2 minutes from a local plumber there is a disconnect there that many people can not bridge the gap.

    As for too much stuff....LOL, um.... Currently the system that the OP is using is having trouble bringing in leads from their lead gen website. How does what you suggested get more web traffic visitors to turn into leads for their clients? You just said to put a form on the website and/or setup a backend auto dial service....I no way is that working any smarter for the problem at hand...

    By no means is what I mentioned hard to implement at all and it actually helps work on the actual problem at hand.

    You ALWAYS should be working HARDER, just do it in a SMART way....
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    • Profile picture of the author TheBigBee
      Originally Posted by CageyVet View Post

      Cash advance market is quite different than the local plumber market....Most people could care less where their money that they need to pay their latest cell phone bill is coming from...

      When it comes to trusting your home/business with a plumbing service. Most people want to be sure they are getting someone local that they can trust and that is going to do the job correctly. They do not want to be auto connected to a telemarketing service that is going to capture their personal information and fire them off to the first scam artist plumber on their lead call list for your area. Now, I am not saying that any or all lead gen services do this but there is a very large perception from the general public that this is what is going to happen if you call a 888 number or fill out a form to connect to an operator/business.

      Also I have found that you get quite a bit less conversions when you are trying to get people to fill out personal information for local blue collar work to be done to their house/business. Most people still want to just call someone up, find out how much it is going to be and when they can fix the problem. Even if that form takes gets them a call within 2 minutes from a local plumber there is a disconnect there that many people can not bridge the gap.

      As for too much stuff....LOL, um.... Currently the system that the OP is using is having trouble bringing in leads from their lead gen website. How does what you suggested get more web traffic visitors to turn into leads for their clients? You just said to put a form on the website and/or setup a backend auto dial service....I no way is that working any smarter for the problem at hand...

      By no means is what I mentioned hard to implement at all and it actually helps work on the actual problem at hand.

      You ALWAYS should be working HARDER, just do it in a SMART way....

      The solution is to identify the best plumbers and hot transfer them to those plumbers. There should never be a human involved for any reason.

      It works something like this; you have 5 plumbers who sign up. You integrate a local phone number and a LRM system on your page. Each time a lead calls or fills out web forms - the lead is connected with the phone of a local plumber.

      The key is to control the top of the sales funnel. If you can aggregate all the traffic / deal flow, you own the market. Ironically, my company UberTransfers started this for cash advance - but they are dumb. Our biggest contract is with the 4th largest legal lead gen company in US. All the do is video + video SEO + route mapping (to weed out bad leads) and we connect the calls. Education has been good to us as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author btyiw
    I already have analytic call tracking in place which forwards incoming calls to my local contractors. I have a detailed log of location of calls, time, recordings, etc.

    I barely do any work except for content creation, handling back-end, randomly checking the call log and traffic stats. My biggest focus right now is converting all visitors into calls which in turn makes me profit. I get paid 25% of what the contractor makes on his end. He always picks up the phone by the 2nd ring and is close to 80-85% on closing all incoming calls so the incoming call volume right now is key.

    Here are some of key points on what I plan on doing:

    1) Converting over to local numbers (possibly creating a plugin that will display a local number based on location of visitor)

    2) Adding a graphic which breaks down the states into three equal parts, then providing the visitor with what number to call

    3) Call back request form

    4) I'm going to add more forms of social proof/testimonials onto the site
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    • Profile picture of the author CageyVet
      TheBigBee, I have looked at the UberTransfers system for some of my lead gen work but it does not currently fit into any of my segments at the moment because I send leads directly to the local business without the use of an intermediate call center step, which this is a great replacement.

      This system would work well for the OPs type of lead gen since it is possible that the visiting traffic is more generalize in terms of the state and not the local town/center. After he gets his problem of actually getting visitors to call a number or fill out a form, then your system might be a great add-on to his business. That is...if the clients he sends leads to have no problem paying more for higher targeted leads since he would have to cover the overhead of a system like this in his revenue model.

      Originally Posted by btyiw View Post

      I already have analytic call tracking in place which forwards incoming calls to my local contractors. I have a detailed log of location of calls, time, recordings, etc.

      I barely do any work except for content creation, handling back-end, randomly checking the call log and traffic stats. My biggest focus right now is converting all visitors into calls which in turn makes me profit. I get paid 25% of what the contractor makes on his end. He always picks up the phone by the 2nd ring and is close to 80-85% on closing all incoming calls so the incoming call volume right now is key.

      If incoming call volume is key, then you should really be setting up some split testing systems to take advantage of what is working and dump what is not working. The heat maps will help you with this since you can not track phone calls with regular click analytics. Setup some heat maps and a few different versions of your landing page. Then you can analyze the heat map data to see if you can spot any trends for a particular page that results in more phone calls. An advanced way of doing this is to utilize different virtual numbers in your split testing, so you can tell exactly which page is performing better, but that is a bit of extra overhead.

      Here are some of key points on what I plan on doing:

      1) Converting over to local numbers (possibly creating a plugin that will display a local number based on location of visitor)

      There are a few GEO targeting plugins out there that will display specific content depending on GEO IP or Mobile Position. Might be an option for this to show different numbers automatically.

      2) Adding a graphic which breaks down the states into three equal parts, then providing the visitor with what number to call

      I have used this graphic technique in the past to also provide extra targeted pages for specific local businesses that are linked to by an image map on the graphic. So you divide the graphic into your local regions, then link each region to a separate internal landing page that targets that region. This has resulted in more conversions and traffic in the long term for each local region since you can then focus those local regions on more long tail traffic.

      3) Call back request form

      A system like TheBigBee is talking about works well for fill in request forms. It automatically connects the form filler with a business through an IVR call back system. There is more overhead in a system like this and you can do it with things like Twilio on your own if you wanted. I usually mask the form as an appointment setter system. They fill out the form with a few available appointment dates, the form is emailed to the plumber and they call back to confirm the best date for service.

      4) I'm going to add more forms of social proof/testimonials onto the site

      Social signals, testimonials, and video can increase calls most times. Also if you have a good plumber you are working with, then you can just start creating extra web properties to send him leads as well, like craiglist, youtube channels, facebook, twitter etc. As long as the property is easily manageable for you then it just add more to your lead system. Gotta weight the manageability with the extra leads it can produce.
      The lead generation is a interesting business and takes a while to get it nailed down in your local area but once you do...then you can easily tweak it for maximum profits for you and your clients as well as build it out into quite a large business. Especially if you expand your mind past just building a few websites...
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      • Profile picture of the author TheBigBee
        Originally Posted by CageyVet View Post

        TheBigBee, I have looked at the UberTransfers system for some of my lead gen work but it does not currently fit into any of my segments at the moment because I send leads directly to the local business without the use of an intermediate call center step, which this is a great replacement.
        Your way is the right way. The only way. This is exactly how I'd use the system... I'd just plug in all of my clients' phone numbers and let the software connect folks in 20 seconds or less with NO other human involvement - period.
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        • Profile picture of the author CageyVet
          Originally Posted by TheBigBee View Post

          Your way is the right way. The only way. This is exactly how I'd use the system... I'd just plug in all of my clients' phone numbers and let the software connect folks in 20 seconds or less with NO other human involvement - period.
          Not to deviate to far from the OPs topic...but I do see how your systems or systems like this work for lead generation.

          In my current business model, the round robin system is not required and my system does not utilize any human middle man since I am sending the leads directly to the clients through call forwarding (no intermediate call center to prospect the leads). The route mapping/lead qualification might be a good feature but unless I move to a commission % model I do not see the benefit currently since I am topping out on how much most clients are willing to pay per lead and adding the overhead to get less but more qualified leads would result in less money in my pocket.

          Anyone that is using a call center to qualify the leads or is on a commission basis should move to an automated system like this if the lead gen they are doing will work with it. I just do not feel that it is useful for every type of lead gen business model.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheBigBee
    Went into more detail in a post here: http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...n-company.html
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