$15,000 in 60 Days with a $500 Budget

This is a big undertaking... First things first, realize that this will require a tremendous change in your daily life.

From a financial standpoint, you are looking to achieve a 3000% return on your capital in 60 days. That's the kind of prospectus that would make Bernie Madoff blush. Not to say that it can't be done, but you need a big investment in additional principal (I.e. sweat equity) to make this feasible.

The level of commitment you have given thus far is obviously not sufficient to reach your goal, and this must change if you have a prayer of succeeding. (What do you do for a day job? You might consider calling in sick. Do you have a fantasy baseball team? Chances are you won't be winning any pennants this year.)

The way I see it, you have two choices:
1. Sell a high-priced service that would allow you to reach our goal with only a couple of sales
2. Sell a low-priced, highly duplicatible service or product that requires very little time per-sale for back-end customization and delivery, and sell a lot of them

It's a tough decision to make when you have no existing marketing metrics to reference. Here's a sample of where I'm going with this...

If you sell a $56 PLR product (such as the newsletter thread that's been up this past week), and you could achieve a 1% response rate on your marketing, you would have to:
1. Be able to contact 5000 prospects for $.10 each (all of your money)
2. Be able to achieve a 20% close rate, and collect payment in 48 hours
3. Reinvest 100% in marketing ($560)
4. Deliver product
5. Wash rinse repeat.

If you can consistently turn a 12% profit every 2 days, reinvest 100% every time, and do this for 60 straight days, you'll end up with $14980.00.

PS. Your 60 days started yesterday, you're running behind schedule.

So, the next question for you is...

What do you have to offer, what is the sales price and how fast can you fulfill sales?

Great thread!

So lets kick it up a notch!

Seems alot of people dont believe in tele-sales, I wanted to start this week and have time to call myself.

I have a solid team of designers and developers now and things are going well but need to kick it up a notch and starting finding new clients as its been slow latelly.

I also need to make one call phone sales as I dont currently live in my target area.

I had a bit of with cold calling, but it was in my home city and alot of them easy to sell as they've seen my work in business's/restaurants they frequent. Need to expand with a good script and have time now to properly try it out!

My proposal:

If one of the EXPERTS here either wants to sell me a script or prefferably I have great graphic artists I can make a mini site, e-book, graphics or combo for a script.

I will then give a copy to therealGOAT to help him get started.

I'll go to town on the script and report back every week how I made out on it for example of what can be done.

Any takers?

Eric

You would be surprised as to what people are able to sell. People are much better at selling than delivering.

I was going through "web designer" resumes the other day. People had samples of their work. You know what they were? A bunch of websites made with Godaddy website builders and junk like that.

They had actually found people to buy those ugly, unprofessional, amateurish websites.

This is the bane of the offline marketing world. Anyone and their mother can suddenly become a "SEO professional" or a "website designer" or any other marketing related services which actually require technical skills, which they lack.

Can you make 15,000 in 2 months? Most likely. But please don't do it at the expense of quality. It makes other marketers look like scammers.

It's nice to be realistic, but no one person is the same. It's not okay to say "this is impossible."

DubDubDubDot;

First, thank you for an intelligent and real response.

Here is something I didn't post, but should have. You say "$90,000 a year".

And I know that "$15,000 in two months" is easier. Here's why. We all have a list of people we know. And they have a list of people they know. If you stick locally, with people you know (even slightly) you'll have a much easier time of it. It actually gets harder, as you move away from people who know you, even a little.

My experience with new salespeople, is that they produce the best results at the beginning. Because they are seeing people that they are at ease talking to. They soon run out of that low hanging fruit, and have to talk to complete strangers. Much harder, and most don't make it.

If selling online services (or any form of advertising), you can just pick up any advertising coupon magazine, like a Gold Clipper, and see who has a full page ad. Those are the people that you call first. They are already believers.

You can also call on new businesses. Get a list of new businesses by the fact that they changed their utilities to the new business. You can get that list at the courthouse. Those people are ready, and waiting. While you are looking for them, they are looking for you.

And...It's simply easier to keep up high activity when you know there is an end to it. In 2 months, the OP can stop working at such a pace. It's like your own personal sales contest.

My idea (Which I didn't articulate) would be to sell, sell, sell, get paid, and build sites (or whatever the service is) in non sales time. You could even position it as a great deal, because you will be delivering a little later.

I sell high end full online services to business owners. They know that I'll be delivering in pieces over the next couple of months. Everything isn't done that day. In fact, nothing is done for a couple of weeks. As long as that is part of your pitch, nobody seems to mind. Promising what you don't deliver? That they mind.

Now, if the OP is used to making very little money, all this is wasted. My image is of a bright guy that is willing to work. But I don't know him.

New people have a huge advantage. They already know several ideal prospects. All the "establishing trust" has already been done. That's where you start.

When I hired new reps, the "$7,500 a month" wasn't unusual at all. What was unusual was them lasting long enough for the "$90,000 a year".

It's a different experience, is all.

Claude "Can't we all just get along?" Whitacre

Ok I'm just going to come right out and say it. You're an idiot. You sound like a miserable, cold hearted person who has failed at absolutely everything you have tried and have to come onto a forum to shit on other peoples dreams because you have nothing better to do with your wasted time.

I have 4 brothers and a very big family overall. I have seen numerous people in my family, their first year out of college, make 90k+. With 0 experience in their respected field. Like my brother who got his degree in business, then started doing sales for a local biz down the road, made 120k his first year. His job was purely commission based, and his college degree didn't count for shit. I also broke 90k my first year on WF, and it wasn't selling web design but web design was how I got started the first 3 months. The only thing that matters is if a person is hungry enough, and wants it bad enough, they will make it.

I can go through each person in my family, and you'd still find a reason to argue about why it doesn't apply to this thread. I have seen you post on this forum, and I know that you can't control yourself. Its in your nature to degrade people and be "realistic" by being the most negative mfkr who exists. Thats what I call irony. You lost all your credibility on WF after about the 3rd time you tried to pull that garbage.

Thats great, you're a genius! All this time we've all been left in the dark and a man named "dubdubdubdot" comes out to save us all!!!!! I can't imagine where we'd all be without your brilliant access to complicated dark truths and conspiracies about life, WSO's and success.

All praise dubdubdubdot as the prophet that he is. The prophet of WF. The light bringer. The one who sheds a crystal clear sentiment to our fuzzy, distorted realities of life.

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But seriously.

You are straight out of your mind.

Let me ask you a serious question now. Do you like Alex Jones? Something tells me that you love the guy. I'm not sure what it is exactly.

Implying that the entire WF system is broke because of WSOs is comprable to the fear mongers who say that the financial system was destroyed because of Sen Chuck Shumer. But in effort to not bring politics into this, I will only say this.

Your statement makes some pretty gross, inaccurate assumptions merely based on what you implied. It assumes that:

1) Most people on WF are wasting time chasing threads down, related to their WSOs, just so they can drop a post in the hopes of getting rich.

2) You assume that this technique is actually profitable in the first place. But have you ever examined the few people who do this on a regular basis? They're barely making any money at all. This is evident in their WSO threads. That means incentive to perform this type of behavoir is far lower than your twisted mind needs believe.

3) You make a more assinine assumption by implying that you somehow know the OP and that he will fail. Especially after he's made a thread where obvious triggers to success (in his environment) are becoming that much more prominent. Which if anything, will increase his chances for success, not diminish them.

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In the end, it seems like the most "rational" stance to assume, would be the fact that you're crazy.

Till this point, you have made it on this forum with your ridiculous accusations and fear mongering nonsense, and if there anything you should be applauded for, its that. You are the hudini of trolls. You escape capture at every failed conquest. Its like that time an annoying little mouse stumbled into my backyard and I tried to kill it. But I missed the first 3 times and wound up feeling bad for it, so I decided to put it in a cage and keep it alive/give it food.

Thats how I view your life long contribution to WF.

Since it appears I am being "called out" here based on the "guy who casually said you go home and design the sites you sold that day" part of this message I am going to directly address this. I like to address points in the order they are brought up so I will start at the beginning of your post here and get to each point.

1. He said he needs $15k. Myself and others gave advice on how to get there. My post honestly was meant to scare him from this idea unless he was willing to fully commit. The only way to build a business that fast is to work your ass off. Reread what I wrote. The "plan" I gave him was based on 6 to 7 day workweeks averaging over 14 hours a day. It was not some 4 Hour Work Week Muse. If I remember right I suggested 1100 hours over 90 days with a total revenue goal of $25k for a before taxes rate of about $23/hr. If you don't believe a guy can make that much working his ass off that's fine. But I personally do believe if they have the skill and drive that this should be possible. Will it be easy? Of course not and I don't think anyone who read my post would think it was. My post was designed to give him a harsh look at what he wanted to do.

2. No one is going to $90k on day one. But you get to $90k/yr one day at a time. You get to $90k/yr by selling at least one item of $350 every day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year. You don't focus on the $90/k/yr you focus on the $350/day goal. Anyone who has been in sales knows your daily, weekly, and monthly goals are how you make money. Focus on a yearly goal and you will fail. And trust me if I guy isn't making his $1750 weekly goal after a few weeks he will never make his $90k goal. Green salespeople often sell the best because they don't know what they can't do. In my experience as a sales manager I've known within the first 2 to 3 weeks of having a guy on the floor rather he will become a top sales guy. Once he gets pulled into the huddle he is destined for average. And for anyone who doesn't know what I mean by the huddle just ask.

3. Now we get to you saying my cover is blown? To that I ask what cover? I am one of the few people who has posted how much I make per year. Which based on what others have posted or hinted at is a lot less than many of them. In fact other than posting exactly where I work I have said what I do (Internet Marketing & Sales for an RV dealership), what I have done (management & sales for retail, restaurants, and RVs), and why I post here (to get advice on the technical side of thing while offering sales & business advice based on my experience). Hell I post with my real name. If someone wanted to show up at my work it wouldn't be hard to find me. So really what cover? I don't have a cover. I honestly would say I am the most open book here (Claude may be more open).

4. I never casually said to make the sites at night. I told him to pull this off he had no choice but to do that. If you read by post you will see I assumed the sites would take him two hours to make and he would sell one to two each day. I also mention that he will need to email over proofs the next day to the client. I am sorry that I did not go into detail and say every day he will need to reedit these based on the client feedback. I made the assumption that this was a given.

So where did I get my time numbers? I can back mine up and I pointed to some of it in my post. First I told him to sell simple 5 page $500 sites using WordPress. A $500 site is simple. Hell based on industry standard pricing for web design it should be 4 hours or less of work ($125/hr). And part of that "time" is completed via the theme. So that is why I was figuring around 2 hours per site with maybe some going 3 or 4 hours when edits are figured in. Will he sell some bigger sites that take longer? We all hope so. But if he sells a $1500 website he can base it on the idea of having sold 3 smaller sites.

In order to pull off this level of money he needs to be selling most if not 100% of business hours. Thus he must work on the sites a night. He needs the money and doesn't yet have a trusted outsourcer so he needs to do it himself. He doesn't have the time or money to risk on unknowns. As long as he is "time rich and money poor" like I said this is how he has to approach it. IMO any other method risks too much. He will have to work his ass off to pull this off. Plus we have to assume he can do web design fast and well (he choose this not me) and that he can sell (if he can't sell there is no way this will happen).

5. Why don't you design multiple quick and easy sites in a night? With WordPress designing simple sites is way easier than it was 15 years ago. Even with a WYSIWYG editor it was going to take a while since certain elements had to be redone multiple times vs. once in WordPress. Plus you know you had to actually design something vs modifying a theme. And for a cheap site how much modifying is there? But hey if you want to spend 10 hours working on a $500 website be my guest. But you would be better off selling it for $1500 if you plan to spend 10 hour or more on it. Trust me real businesses don't buy from people who under value. Cheap is expensive in the long run and if you are not charging industry standard prices it tells us to can't charge them.

Honestly I will say the standards of design are a lot lower now vs. 15 years ago. 15 years ago no web designer in their right mind would try to sell the cookie cutter websites like get sold today. In my industry a major player is selling cookie cutter WordPress sites to RV Dealers. WordPress helps make them look nice compared to the GeoCities pages of the past but the truth is a cheap WordPress site takes the same or less time than making a 5 page site with GeoCities did. It simple visually looks better. Which is really more like "data entry"? Let's be honest here.

6. Are there people here who promote the crap out of their methods and hype how they can make guys rich? Yeah but honestly this section has a lot less of them. Most of the people promoting methods here actually doing said methods themselves and making money. They choose the "sell the method" form of expansion vs. the "scale the model" form. If you actually knew me you will see I am a supporter of the "scale the model" version. I think people should stop working themselves and stop using outsourcers. I believe they should build real businesses with real employees.

7. I'm trying to figure out if this was meant to be about me as well since I was the one being called out. I have never sold a WSO. Not even sure I ever would. Not really worth the time IMO. If I wanted to be a "guru" I'd aim a lot bigger. Why would I want to be "The Rich Jerk" when every high end trainer of the past has proved the money in training is off line. You can add elements of online to the mix. But why would people like Tony Robbins continue to do live training if they could make more easier online? The reason is simple IMO, they can't. You make the big money and sell the big courses by offering in person and physical products. Look at the guys really making money? How are they doing it? Claude does it on a lower level and appears to make a killing doing it. Hell even the "Warrior Events" is built around this idea.

8. Promo images for Facebook? That is an ok add on service but IMO is the kind of thing you throw in to sweeten the pot. But it would be a bad idea as a main business idea. Because what is the value to the client? How much money will you get out of them per image? How much "selling" will be needed to close them on it? This simply is better as a service you can do for them, an upsell to existing clients. Also in relation to the OP has he even said anything to make us believe he has graphic design skills?

9. In closing I gave the OP a realistic and maybe even a bit harsh version of how he "could" make this happen if he truly wanted to. It was based on what he said he wanted to sell. It told him that he was going to have to pound the pavement or pound the phones. If you personally don't think it was realistic that is fine. I think I made it clear that while it is possible it would be hard. I wasn't going to beat the kid down and tell him he couldn't do it. Nor was I going to sugar coat it and act like this will be easy.

I also pointed out how he would need to follow the plan for longer than 60 days because he would need to make money to pay his taxes.

I also told him to go after the low hanging fruit with $500 websites. While he might get some bigger clients out of that he needs volume and easy work right now to even have a shot of pulling this off. Could he land one $15k client and be good to go? Yeah but if he could land a $15k client he would have never posted this thread. So I gave him advice aimed at a relative newbie who had the skills but not a load of experience.

His skills and experience will allow him to take what myself and others offered him and make a plan that works for him. Can he pull it off? I honestly don't know because the only person who can make this happen is him.

BTW if for some reason that post was not aimed at me I apologize for this reply. But it did appear aimed at me.

Get a website made for $50, sell to local business for $1000+. just cold call.